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Jerry Seinfeld thinks Man of Steel had too much action; teases new project with Larry David

Jan. 7, 2014by: Jesse Giroux

Most of you probably know that Jerry Seinfeld is a huge Superman fan. The character was referenced in almost every episode of his television series, and his son's middle name is Kal. But what did he think of MAN OF STEEL? The comedian was on Reddit yesterday answering fans' questions, and of course someone wanted to know what was his opinion on Zack Snyder's film. Seinfeld says he was glad there was a new Superman movie, but believes MAN OF STEEL had too much violence, and thought there should have been more about the character's secret identity.

I was so happy that they made another Superman movie! I'm really reluctant to be critical of it in any way. But I thought the glossing over of the figuring out a secret identity and why he felt he needed one was a huge missed opportunity for that character, and one of the most interesting things about Superman is the whole secret identity. So to me it was too much action / violence and not enough character study.

I understand Seinfeld's point about Superman's secret identity, however since MAN OF STEEL was an origins story, it might be something that is further explored in the next movie, or future films. Jerry Seinfeld was also asked what is the most mundane thing him and Larry David have obsessed over, and in his response, revealed that he's working on a new "big" project with David.

We never obsess over anything that isn't mundane. Most recent was intentional mumbling. We wrote this script for this thing that you will eventually see but I can't reveal what it is at this time. All I can do is tell you is that it's big, huge, gigantic. Even bigger than that Amazon package.

I love me some Larry David, and I'm very excited he's working on something new with Jerry Seinfeld. Hopefully there will be more details about this project soon. Jerry Seinfeld also talked about his favorite episode of Seinfeld, how his collection of white shoes first started, and his thoughts on laugh tracks on sitcoms during Reddit's "Ask Me Anything," and you can check it all out right here.

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5:39AM on 01/08/2014
Seinfeld is one of the smartest comedians out there, and he knows his shit. He is right. Man of Steel had too much focus on the most superfluous elements of Superman, and zero focus on the story. There was no character development, no emotion, and the forced drama felt so damned artificial it was cheesy. Pa Kent's death was one of the cheesiest death scenes I have ever seen in a movie. When he died, several people in my audience started giggling. I consider Man of Steel to be the Twilight of
Seinfeld is one of the smartest comedians out there, and he knows his shit. He is right. Man of Steel had too much focus on the most superfluous elements of Superman, and zero focus on the story. There was no character development, no emotion, and the forced drama felt so damned artificial it was cheesy. Pa Kent's death was one of the cheesiest death scenes I have ever seen in a movie. When he died, several people in my audience started giggling. I consider Man of Steel to be the Twilight of comic book movies. Its bad, empty, superficial, and completely devoid of any intelligence, but fanboys will flock to it regardless.
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7:36PM on 01/08/2014
Do you think? I thought real fanboys would have been really disappointed with it, I mean changing the Mythology to give them a shitty story was sacrilege or was it done just to give goyer and Snyder more ownership? As much as people go off about Smallville it does have key episodes where they did a lot right with Superman and I think some of the best actors to ever portray Clark Lois and Lex.
Do you think? I thought real fanboys would have been really disappointed with it, I mean changing the Mythology to give them a shitty story was sacrilege or was it done just to give goyer and Snyder more ownership? As much as people go off about Smallville it does have key episodes where they did a lot right with Superman and I think some of the best actors to ever portray Clark Lois and Lex.
5:03AM on 01/08/2014
I loved Man of Steel and thought Sack Snyder did an A+ job balancing both action and emotional weight. It saddens me that the reaction wasn't more unanimous.
I loved Man of Steel and thought Sack Snyder did an A+ job balancing both action and emotional weight. It saddens me that the reaction wasn't more unanimous.
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10:31PM on 01/07/2014

Man of Steel was awesome

I absolutely loved Man of Steel. I think some people just forgot to take off their nostalgia glasses off before watching.Was it perfect? No. Superman could've tried harder to get the battle out of the city, sure. Highly coincidental that the ship he finds on Earth is from his family that just so happens to have a perfectly tailored suit, whatever. Was I upset that he killed Zod? Hell no. The biggest flaw for me is that we had to watch the origin. Again. Oh so he is from Krypton? I'm excited for
I absolutely loved Man of Steel. I think some people just forgot to take off their nostalgia glasses off before watching.Was it perfect? No. Superman could've tried harder to get the battle out of the city, sure. Highly coincidental that the ship he finds on Earth is from his family that just so happens to have a perfectly tailored suit, whatever. Was I upset that he killed Zod? Hell no. The biggest flaw for me is that we had to watch the origin. Again. Oh so he is from Krypton? I'm excited for the sequel even if it has Ben Affleck as Batman and a Kryptonian Wonder Woman (seriously?)
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9:42PM on 01/07/2014
Give Snyder a break. Man Of Steel was awesome, but it had some major flaws as well. It's obvious that the studio was breathing down Snyder's neck. They needed to make a Superman movie that would be true to the character, and also something that would appeal to the mass public. They just couldn't afford to fail with Supes anymore. That's why half the explores the character so well, and then it just jumps into a mind-numbing action-fest. Notice how Snyder has rehired his original cinematographer
Give Snyder a break. Man Of Steel was awesome, but it had some major flaws as well. It's obvious that the studio was breathing down Snyder's neck. They needed to make a Superman movie that would be true to the character, and also something that would appeal to the mass public. They just couldn't afford to fail with Supes anymore. That's why half the explores the character so well, and then it just jumps into a mind-numbing action-fest. Notice how Snyder has rehired his original cinematographer for the sequel? And how they now have a better writer (the guy who wrote Argo)? Warner Bros let out a sigh of relief as MoS's success, and are now giving Snyder the space he needs to construct a proper movie.
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9:44PM on 01/07/2014
If you think that MoS was awesome, than props to you, but your definition of awesome and mine are very different.
If you think that MoS was awesome, than props to you, but your definition of awesome and mine are very different.
9:19PM on 01/07/2014
I would give merit to Man of Steel for giving us more interesting Superman topics to talk about than Superman Returns. The debate about whether killing a supervillain is morally right or wrong is definitely better than debating whether Supes did or did not technically date raped Lois and being a creepy deadbeat dad at the end.
I would give merit to Man of Steel for giving us more interesting Superman topics to talk about than Superman Returns. The debate about whether killing a supervillain is morally right or wrong is definitely better than debating whether Supes did or did not technically date raped Lois and being a creepy deadbeat dad at the end.
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9:04PM on 01/07/2014
I liked Man of Steel. I liked the focus it had and really don't understand what Jerry means by focusing on his secret identity. I thought the focus of Clark discovering who he is and the worlds reaction to him was way more interesting than focusing on him trying to hide his identity. I honestly don't think people know what they want from a Superman movie. Superman Returns and Man of Steel were different but both good in my opinion but people bashed Returns and now they are bashing MoS.
I liked Man of Steel. I liked the focus it had and really don't understand what Jerry means by focusing on his secret identity. I thought the focus of Clark discovering who he is and the worlds reaction to him was way more interesting than focusing on him trying to hide his identity. I honestly don't think people know what they want from a Superman movie. Superman Returns and Man of Steel were different but both good in my opinion but people bashed Returns and now they are bashing MoS.
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9:43PM on 01/07/2014
Oh, I think a lot of people on this site know exactly what they want in a Superman film, that's basically a solid story with good writing and strong characterization that doesn't pull punches when it comes to the action but doesn't let the action override everything else. They complain about both Man of Steel and Superman Returns because overall, both of them missed the mark, it was just in very different ways.
Oh, I think a lot of people on this site know exactly what they want in a Superman film, that's basically a solid story with good writing and strong characterization that doesn't pull punches when it comes to the action but doesn't let the action override everything else. They complain about both Man of Steel and Superman Returns because overall, both of them missed the mark, it was just in very different ways.
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7:24PM on 01/07/2014

Seinfield just articulated my feelings on Man of Steel to a

It's a free country and you can like whatever movies you want, but it pains me every time I hear someone talk about how awesome Man of Steel or Iron Man 3 was because as long as those people are out there the studios are just going to keep making more movies like them.
It's a free country and you can like whatever movies you want, but it pains me every time I hear someone talk about how awesome Man of Steel or Iron Man 3 was because as long as those people are out there the studios are just going to keep making more movies like them.
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4:18PM on 01/07/2014
I feel like every story like this gives me the permission to post another rant about how disappointed I was with Man of Steel. I'd like to ask Jerry Seinfeld if the kind of film he was hoping for was the one that was promised in that epic third trailer - the film failed to deliver on that promise pretty soon after Clark becomes Superman and the action takes over. I've said this too many times before but every valuable lesson Clark learned (through the fantastically well done flashbacks) just
I feel like every story like this gives me the permission to post another rant about how disappointed I was with Man of Steel. I'd like to ask Jerry Seinfeld if the kind of film he was hoping for was the one that was promised in that epic third trailer - the film failed to deliver on that promise pretty soon after Clark becomes Superman and the action takes over. I've said this too many times before but every valuable lesson Clark learned (through the fantastically well done flashbacks) just seemed to go out of the window at that point. I get a lot of people saying to me that this was only natural given how new to he was to the saviour game...but for that point to carry any meaning should he really have been able to overcome an army of Kryptonian born to be warriors?
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5:13PM on 01/07/2014
I agree. That trailer was great, and told the story better than the actual film did.

Also, fanboys using the "newbie" excuse are just making up excuses for the movie. They are just trying to use their imagination to fix lazy writing. Man of Steel never acknowledges that Superman is too new to this, or that him being a new Superhero was a hindrance in any way. Even in Batman Begins we see Batman fuck up a few times and learn from his mistakes. Man of Steel never established anything like
I agree. That trailer was great, and told the story better than the actual film did.

Also, fanboys using the "newbie" excuse are just making up excuses for the movie. They are just trying to use their imagination to fix lazy writing. Man of Steel never acknowledges that Superman is too new to this, or that him being a new Superhero was a hindrance in any way. Even in Batman Begins we see Batman fuck up a few times and learn from his mistakes. Man of Steel never established anything like that. There is never any reason to believe that Superman was too new to know how to save people or avoid pointless casualties.
3:24PM on 01/07/2014
I have to agree with the comments below. Superman Returns was a better movie. I'm not saying it was a great movie, or even that good of a movie, but it was at least a fully thought out story. Returns at least had decent character development, the characters actually had an arc. Man of Steel's characters were nothing more than one dimensional props. The movie itself felt like random scenes & ideas were strung together with no real purpose or sense of story. The entirety of Man of Steel was just
I have to agree with the comments below. Superman Returns was a better movie. I'm not saying it was a great movie, or even that good of a movie, but it was at least a fully thought out story. Returns at least had decent character development, the characters actually had an arc. Man of Steel's characters were nothing more than one dimensional props. The movie itself felt like random scenes & ideas were strung together with no real purpose or sense of story. The entirety of Man of Steel was just action, exposition, speech, more exposition, more action, more action. There was so much pointless exposition in this movie that even the walls came to life to give exposition.
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9:34PM on 01/07/2014
I agree with you. I don't *personally* like Superman Returns, but a large part of that is because Singer has put out some genuine quality stuff, and especially coming off of X2 I (like many others, I'm sure) were expecting that he was going to deliver an absolute knockout Superman movie rather than the mixed bag that we received. Objectively though, I think that Superman Returns is definitely better than Man of Steel.
I agree with you. I don't *personally* like Superman Returns, but a large part of that is because Singer has put out some genuine quality stuff, and especially coming off of X2 I (like many others, I'm sure) were expecting that he was going to deliver an absolute knockout Superman movie rather than the mixed bag that we received. Objectively though, I think that Superman Returns is definitely better than Man of Steel.
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3:21PM on 01/07/2014
He is right.

Watchmen and Man of Steel: hard to believe its the same director.
He is right.

Watchmen and Man of Steel: hard to believe its the same director.
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10:35AM on 01/08/2014
Considering Watchmen is a completely different kind of superhero movie, full of violence and innocents dying, I can believe it. Not to mention, Watchmen had an actual source book for a blueprint.
Considering Watchmen is a completely different kind of superhero movie, full of violence and innocents dying, I can believe it. Not to mention, Watchmen had an actual source book for a blueprint.
2:44PM on 01/07/2014
I love how he said that Man of Steel had no story in the politest way possible. I agree 100%. It started with an interesting theme of people not being able to accept the existence of god-like aliens, then as soon as the villains show up & reveal to the world that god-like aliens do in fact exist, this movie completely abandons its own theme. Somewhere in there was a feature length story, but it was crammed into a messy 30 minutes in order to make room for the overly long & convoluted Krypton
I love how he said that Man of Steel had no story in the politest way possible. I agree 100%. It started with an interesting theme of people not being able to accept the existence of god-like aliens, then as soon as the villains show up & reveal to the world that god-like aliens do in fact exist, this movie completely abandons its own theme. Somewhere in there was a feature length story, but it was crammed into a messy 30 minutes in order to make room for the overly long & convoluted Krypton opening scene, and to make room the nearly hour long redundant shaky-cam nightmare of an action scene.
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2:58PM on 01/07/2014
A krypton that looked like pandora from Avatar.
I just thought the whole film was a missed opportunity and didnt have any of the magic that the first 2 richard donner cuts had. I think the changing of the mythology was wrong and a big part of that was having the fortress of solitude as a ship. NO NO NO.
A krypton that looked like pandora from Avatar.
I just thought the whole film was a missed opportunity and didnt have any of the magic that the first 2 richard donner cuts had. I think the changing of the mythology was wrong and a big part of that was having the fortress of solitude as a ship. NO NO NO.
2:39PM on 01/07/2014
Joblo.com is the only website on the internet where you'll find movie fans who defend Man of Steel. The script is so misguided it somehow pulls off the feat of creating a 2 hour and 2 minute movie with almost zero character development. Watching Clark learn about his heritage from a computerized Jor-El is not character development. Superman Returns was a better movie.
Joblo.com is the only website on the internet where you'll find movie fans who defend Man of Steel. The script is so misguided it somehow pulls off the feat of creating a 2 hour and 2 minute movie with almost zero character development. Watching Clark learn about his heritage from a computerized Jor-El is not character development. Superman Returns was a better movie.
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3:00PM on 01/07/2014
I dont defend it, I hated it. and to be honest yeh it made money, but not the huge numbers they were hoping for. So really it is another failed Superman.
I dont defend it, I hated it. and to be honest yeh it made money, but not the huge numbers they were hoping for. So really it is another failed Superman.
3:11PM on 01/07/2014
You obviously haven't been on comicbookmovie.com. It's literally filled with juvenile fanboys who defend MoS to the death as the "best comic book movie ever!" and "the best Superman movie ever!" MUCH worse than joblo.
You obviously haven't been on comicbookmovie.com. It's literally filled with juvenile fanboys who defend MoS to the death as the "best comic book movie ever!" and "the best Superman movie ever!" MUCH worse than joblo.
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12:31PM on 01/07/2014
Problem wasn't too much action, it was the action was uninspired and boring. I thought the problem was that it was too melodramatic.

for all the criticism of Superman Returns being overly dramatic, MOS wasn't any different in that regards. the difference is Superman Returns at least had some semblance of silliness to break up the melodrama where as MOS was dull and brooding.
Problem wasn't too much action, it was the action was uninspired and boring. I thought the problem was that it was too melodramatic.

for all the criticism of Superman Returns being overly dramatic, MOS wasn't any different in that regards. the difference is Superman Returns at least had some semblance of silliness to break up the melodrama where as MOS was dull and brooding.
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12:26PM on 01/07/2014

Superman Returns vs MoS

Say what you want about "finally getting a Superman that throws punches" and how Superman Returns was pretty boring and empty of any action...but at least Singer's movie actually understood it's own character. MoS didn't. Action isn't this panacea that everyone seems to think it is. People, there's more to movies than that. MoS had action, but was missing everything else.
Say what you want about "finally getting a Superman that throws punches" and how Superman Returns was pretty boring and empty of any action...but at least Singer's movie actually understood it's own character. MoS didn't. Action isn't this panacea that everyone seems to think it is. People, there's more to movies than that. MoS had action, but was missing everything else.
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3:01PM on 01/07/2014
YES THANKYOU!
YES THANKYOU!
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11:54AM on 01/07/2014
Actually, What MoS needed was less CGI and more of a coherent script, not just a general outline. Also, why hire Amy Adams if you're going to give her nothing to do?
Actually, What MoS needed was less CGI and more of a coherent script, not just a general outline. Also, why hire Amy Adams if you're going to give her nothing to do?
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10:29AM on 01/08/2014
I still hold out hope for a bigger role in the next movie. She has what it takes to be a great Lois Lane in my opinion.
I still hold out hope for a bigger role in the next movie. She has what it takes to be a great Lois Lane in my opinion.
11:40AM on 01/07/2014

Seinfeld is right

People who use the excuse of Superman being a novice for all the destruction didn't watch the same movie I did. I don't care if he was a novice or not. They pretty much destroyed smallville and definitely destroyed metropolis. You're right, he couldn't save everyone but in Metropolis be didn't try to save anyone until the end. Even as a novice he couldn't have been so clueless to think that fighting in a heavily populated area wouldn't have major repercussions. This is a man who traveled the
People who use the excuse of Superman being a novice for all the destruction didn't watch the same movie I did. I don't care if he was a novice or not. They pretty much destroyed smallville and definitely destroyed metropolis. You're right, he couldn't save everyone but in Metropolis be didn't try to save anyone until the end. Even as a novice he couldn't have been so clueless to think that fighting in a heavily populated area wouldn't have major repercussions. This is a man who traveled the world saving people's lives randomly earlier in the movie but he never stops to worry about the lives being taken because of his battle? That doesn't even make sense. This has nothing to do with a modern superman. The superman of the comics still save lives and puts others in front of himself. That is superman in any era. The way he does it may change but not who he is. This is about nothing more then the fact Warner and Zach Snyder were clueless about who superman is. Marvel will stay winning because they understand their characters while Warners has no clue about DC characters.
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11:22AM on 01/07/2014
At this point, the movie is out and done so there's not much point in discussing what you wish was different, I just hope the next one is a little bit more character intensive.
At this point, the movie is out and done so there's not much point in discussing what you wish was different, I just hope the next one is a little bit more character intensive.
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2:51PM on 01/07/2014
It's a movie website. Discussing past, present and future movies is the whole point.

But I do agree with you that the next installment needs more developed characters.
It's a movie website. Discussing past, present and future movies is the whole point.

But I do agree with you that the next installment needs more developed characters.
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11:06AM on 01/07/2014

Have to disagree with Seinfeld

Did he not realize by the end of the movie Superman gets his secret identity working for the Daily Planet? If anything, MOS was making up for the lacking action in Superman Returns which was a boring character study.
Did he not realize by the end of the movie Superman gets his secret identity working for the Daily Planet? If anything, MOS was making up for the lacking action in Superman Returns which was a boring character study.
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11:35AM on 01/07/2014
What about virtually all of Smallville knowing Clark Kent is Superman? Even the manager of Ihop knows....
What about virtually all of Smallville knowing Clark Kent is Superman? Even the manager of Ihop knows....
11:40AM on 01/07/2014
furly159 - If by everyone you mean a few people, most of whom have gone decades without saying a word.
furly159 - If by everyone you mean a few people, most of whom have gone decades without saying a word.
12:27PM on 01/07/2014
So after the Smallville fight, the entire ton wouldn't put two and two together? Granted they all don't need to talk, but there wasn't much of anonymity, eh? He pretty much makes himself obvious to Lois, it was just bad story telling.
So after the Smallville fight, the entire ton wouldn't put two and two together? Granted they all don't need to talk, but there wasn't much of anonymity, eh? He pretty much makes himself obvious to Lois, it was just bad story telling.
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10:57AM on 01/07/2014

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whats the deal with "man of steel"? i mean, superman is kryptonian. he's neither man nor steel.
whats the deal with "man of steel"? i mean, superman is kryptonian. he's neither man nor steel.
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10:57AM on 01/07/2014

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Are you ever gonna fix your glitching homepage? It's been glitching for like the past two days and just keeps refreshing, presumably because some kind of ad content is not working correctly. Like it literally just refreshes over and over and doesn't load any images or content. I've tried accessing it on four different devices -- tablet, two laptops and a desktop -- and received the same thing every single time.
Are you ever gonna fix your glitching homepage? It's been glitching for like the past two days and just keeps refreshing, presumably because some kind of ad content is not working correctly. Like it literally just refreshes over and over and doesn't load any images or content. I've tried accessing it on four different devices -- tablet, two laptops and a desktop -- and received the same thing every single time.
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11:26AM on 01/07/2014
I seriously thought it was just me.
I seriously thought it was just me.
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10:48AM on 01/07/2014

Makes no sense

MOS was a great movie!!!! The action was shot very well and yes there was plenty of it, but to say there was too much is dumb. This is the Superman I've always wanted! To call him a murderer is laughable lol. You can't save everyone. Oh and please stop with the 9/11 thing! I swear people can't just enjoy movies anymore.
MOS was a great movie!!!! The action was shot very well and yes there was plenty of it, but to say there was too much is dumb. This is the Superman I've always wanted! To call him a murderer is laughable lol. You can't save everyone. Oh and please stop with the 9/11 thing! I swear people can't just enjoy movies anymore.
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11:37AM on 01/07/2014
Did we see the same movie?
Did we see the same movie?
9:24PM on 01/07/2014
Yes!!!! I never cared for Superman because he bored me. That's why I said I got the Superman i wanted
Yes!!!! I never cared for Superman because he bored me. That's why I said I got the Superman i wanted
10:48AM on 01/07/2014
There's a difference between seeing Superman throwing punches and watching an entire city get destroyed for forty-five minutes. I though the casting was fairly spot-on, but the modern-day sequences were pure symbolism. I wanted people to be rescued. I wanted to see Superman hold up an entire frickin' skyscraper!

And I'm tired of people using the excuse it was an origin story. Yes it was. But as it stands, it was an okay origin story when it could have been a great one.
There's a difference between seeing Superman throwing punches and watching an entire city get destroyed for forty-five minutes. I though the casting was fairly spot-on, but the modern-day sequences were pure symbolism. I wanted people to be rescued. I wanted to see Superman hold up an entire frickin' skyscraper!

And I'm tired of people using the excuse it was an origin story. Yes it was. But as it stands, it was an okay origin story when it could have been a great one.
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10:46AM on 01/07/2014

@j-man....

100% agree. For me it's not even about the action although that is a special part. For me it was the fact that MOS didn't fuck around and got things going. Also it was the Superman of the modern age, the old classic American hero Superman no longer works in modern times and comes off as incredibly cliched and corny. This is the modern age where not everyone lives in the end and there are devastating consequences to both the actions of the hero and villain. Sure it's not perfect like any movie
100% agree. For me it's not even about the action although that is a special part. For me it was the fact that MOS didn't fuck around and got things going. Also it was the Superman of the modern age, the old classic American hero Superman no longer works in modern times and comes off as incredibly cliched and corny. This is the modern age where not everyone lives in the end and there are devastating consequences to both the actions of the hero and villain. Sure it's not perfect like any movie but it for me was the best Superman movie yet.
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11:41AM on 01/07/2014
If the sequel addresses the level of destruction, then I get it. Superman's learning, but if it doesn't? And that last hour was destruction for destructions sake? Then it's just bad story telling. One of the reasons I'm sure Goyer's script got passed to the Argo writer.
If the sequel addresses the level of destruction, then I get it. Superman's learning, but if it doesn't? And that last hour was destruction for destructions sake? Then it's just bad story telling. One of the reasons I'm sure Goyer's script got passed to the Argo writer.
11:56AM on 01/07/2014
How is destruction bad story writing? It's two indestructible god-like aliens battling it out so there will be collateral damage.
How is destruction bad story writing? It's two indestructible god-like aliens battling it out so there will be collateral damage.
12:54PM on 01/07/2014
Superman changes with the times, hence the comicbook rebooting things. This was a fun film regardless. I look at it two ways when it comes to comic movies. Was it a good movie on its own terms, and was it a good movie in regards to the comic. I think MOS worked as both. its not perfect of course and I prefer superman 2 but come on, the hate on this film is crazy.
Superman changes with the times, hence the comicbook rebooting things. This was a fun film regardless. I look at it two ways when it comes to comic movies. Was it a good movie on its own terms, and was it a good movie in regards to the comic. I think MOS worked as both. its not perfect of course and I prefer superman 2 but come on, the hate on this film is crazy.
10:45AM on 01/07/2014
Fighting is good but they did it completely wrong, Supes should have never allowed a brawl in a big city. I just caught a clip of one of the old spiderman movies and the majority of the time spidey was saving people from death vs knocking down buildings and killing thousands. That was the major flaw of Man O' Steel.
Fighting is good but they did it completely wrong, Supes should have never allowed a brawl in a big city. I just caught a clip of one of the old spiderman movies and the majority of the time spidey was saving people from death vs knocking down buildings and killing thousands. That was the major flaw of Man O' Steel.
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10:53AM on 01/07/2014
Oh no, he can't save EVERYONE! He's an inexperienced Superman who tries to do what he can to save humanity and there are consequences that only make him stronger in the end. That's real life.
Oh no, he can't save EVERYONE! He's an inexperienced Superman who tries to do what he can to save humanity and there are consequences that only make him stronger in the end. That's real life.
3:24PM on 01/07/2014
After Zod tells Kal-el, "I am going to kill you and then kill all these humans." I don't think you can reason or bargain with him.

So you think he should have asked Zod, "can we fight somewhere where there is no population?"
After Zod tells Kal-el, "I am going to kill you and then kill all these humans." I don't think you can reason or bargain with him.

So you think he should have asked Zod, "can we fight somewhere where there is no population?"
3:24PM on 01/07/2014
After Zod tells Kal-el, "I am going to kill you and then kill all these humans." I don't think you can reason or bargain with him.

So you think he should have asked Zod, "can we fight somewhere where there is no population?"
After Zod tells Kal-el, "I am going to kill you and then kill all these humans." I don't think you can reason or bargain with him.

So you think he should have asked Zod, "can we fight somewhere where there is no population?"
3:34PM on 01/07/2014
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But Superman actually picks up Zod, flies him through miles and miles of empty farm land, and then drops him in the middle of a heavily populate town to fight. You don't have to be experienced to know that is the worst possible idea.

This is like if a vicious dog attacks you, and you were able subdue it enough to pick it up, then you threw it into a playground full of children. Most people would know not to do that, and they would instinctively know to get the vicious dog
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But Superman actually picks up Zod, flies him through miles and miles of empty farm land, and then drops him in the middle of a heavily populate town to fight. You don't have to be experienced to know that is the worst possible idea.

This is like if a vicious dog attacks you, and you were able subdue it enough to pick it up, then you threw it into a playground full of children. Most people would know not to do that, and they would instinctively know to get the vicious dog far away from the children. Apparently Superman would throw it into the playground and fight it there.
10:29AM on 01/07/2014
I don't understand Superman fans. First Superman Returns didn't have enough action. Then we get finally get Superman throwing punches in Man of Steel and now it was too much action.

I like my Superman actually fighting and not just moping around. The opening and ending of Man of Steel were better than anything than Singer did for Superman Returns.
I don't understand Superman fans. First Superman Returns didn't have enough action. Then we get finally get Superman throwing punches in Man of Steel and now it was too much action.

I like my Superman actually fighting and not just moping around. The opening and ending of Man of Steel were better than anything than Singer did for Superman Returns.
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11:31AM on 01/07/2014
I also like how he enjoyed using his powers. He was happy when he was flying, he had a sense of wonder. I think people just for whatever reason dont like Zack synder and wont like the movie based on that. Or they dont like change - even though the comics (the source material) changes with each generation.
I also like how he enjoyed using his powers. He was happy when he was flying, he had a sense of wonder. I think people just for whatever reason dont like Zack synder and wont like the movie based on that. Or they dont like change - even though the comics (the source material) changes with each generation.
11:44AM on 01/07/2014
I like Snyder, I just don't Goyer. Great idea guy, shitty screenwriter.
I like Snyder, I just don't Goyer. Great idea guy, shitty screenwriter.
12:16PM on 01/07/2014
Seeing Clark fly for the very first time and Clark actually enjoying it was such a great scene.
Seeing Clark fly for the very first time and Clark actually enjoying it was such a great scene.
12:21PM on 01/07/2014
...Except, "just moping around" is EXACTLY what Kal-el did for 90% of this movie! The only difference is we have no idea WHY he was moping around, that's how fuzzy and incoherent his motivations are. Sure he threw a few punches in between, but is that really ALL you guys wanted from this movie? Superman Returns had more than it's fair share of flaws, but at least it understood it's own character. MoS didn't.
...Except, "just moping around" is EXACTLY what Kal-el did for 90% of this movie! The only difference is we have no idea WHY he was moping around, that's how fuzzy and incoherent his motivations are. Sure he threw a few punches in between, but is that really ALL you guys wanted from this movie? Superman Returns had more than it's fair share of flaws, but at least it understood it's own character. MoS didn't.
12:24PM on 01/07/2014
The movie had great moments absolutely, but to me, Goyer's script just didn't see it through. The first hour establishes how will the world react to Superman, the last hour does nothing to address this. I loved the first hour, but it ultimately sacrificed everything in favor of Michael Bay-style action.
The movie had great moments absolutely, but to me, Goyer's script just didn't see it through. The first hour establishes how will the world react to Superman, the last hour does nothing to address this. I loved the first hour, but it ultimately sacrificed everything in favor of Michael Bay-style action.
12:34PM on 01/07/2014
fury - I agree with that, but so many movies fall into that trap in the last act, but I still cared about superman himself in this movie and that is a big bonus. as for superman returns that movie didn't understand superman at all. superman is STALKING his old girlfriend and spying on her child?????? WTF?????? Superman also leaves earth to find krypton when he fucking knows its destroyed. that movie was bad on MANY LEVELS.
fury - I agree with that, but so many movies fall into that trap in the last act, but I still cared about superman himself in this movie and that is a big bonus. as for superman returns that movie didn't understand superman at all. superman is STALKING his old girlfriend and spying on her child?????? WTF?????? Superman also leaves earth to find krypton when he fucking knows its destroyed. that movie was bad on MANY LEVELS.
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10:11AM on 01/07/2014
I am not sure what people want anymore in these kinds of films. First off, the movie is 2.5 hours and maybe only 30 mins of action. That is NOT THAT MUCH. Maybe because the action was so intense it seemed longer? Super Returns had NO action (superman didn't even throw ONE punch). So I don't get it. I want to see Superman fight guys - that is what he does in the comics. MOS was a very well done movie and I thought Henry did a great job as Superman. This was a perfect introduction to the new 52
I am not sure what people want anymore in these kinds of films. First off, the movie is 2.5 hours and maybe only 30 mins of action. That is NOT THAT MUCH. Maybe because the action was so intense it seemed longer? Super Returns had NO action (superman didn't even throw ONE punch). So I don't get it. I want to see Superman fight guys - that is what he does in the comics. MOS was a very well done movie and I thought Henry did a great job as Superman. This was a perfect introduction to the new 52 Superman.
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10:28AM on 01/07/2014
Totally agree!!!
Totally agree!!!
10:28AM on 01/07/2014
Totally agree!!!
Totally agree!!!
10:31AM on 01/07/2014
Henry Cavill is the perfect Clark Kent/Superman for this generation. I couldn't see anyone else playing the role after seeing the film.

I really hope his screen time doesn't get shoved to the side for Affleck and co.
Henry Cavill is the perfect Clark Kent/Superman for this generation. I couldn't see anyone else playing the role after seeing the film.

I really hope his screen time doesn't get shoved to the side for Affleck and co.
10:31AM on 01/07/2014
This!! Everything I agree with. It was everything a modern superman film can be and more.
This!! Everything I agree with. It was everything a modern superman film can be and more.
10:31AM on 01/07/2014
doh!
doh!
10:38AM on 01/07/2014
How 'bout a compelling story and characters you care about? There was also definitely more action than thirty minutes. The Smallville / IHOP fight scene alone was thirty minutes.
How 'bout a compelling story and characters you care about? There was also definitely more action than thirty minutes. The Smallville / IHOP fight scene alone was thirty minutes.
11:29AM on 01/07/2014
Fuzz - do you own the movie? if so please time the fights - they are not that long at all. Also I liked the characters and the story was basic, but that doesn't mean it was bad. Its about Clark finding his place in the world and how he becomes superman- I dont see how this is bad? They added some cool stuff to the mythos of Superman also. To me, Superman 2 is still my fave superman movie and if you count the dc cartoons, then all star is second - but MOS was a fun movie that gave us some
Fuzz - do you own the movie? if so please time the fights - they are not that long at all. Also I liked the characters and the story was basic, but that doesn't mean it was bad. Its about Clark finding his place in the world and how he becomes superman- I dont see how this is bad? They added some cool stuff to the mythos of Superman also. To me, Superman 2 is still my fave superman movie and if you count the dc cartoons, then all star is second - but MOS was a fun movie that gave us some incredible action and a pretty good foundation to start a series on. I honestly dont see how some people are hating on it.
11:52AM on 01/07/2014
More than half the movie was action, from Krypton to the oil rig, the tornado (yes, that's action), to the Smallville fight, the planet terraforming, the plane sequence, and the final fight. C'mon, it didn't maybe have thirty minutes of action...
More than half the movie was action, from Krypton to the oil rig, the tornado (yes, that's action), to the Smallville fight, the planet terraforming, the plane sequence, and the final fight. C'mon, it didn't maybe have thirty minutes of action...
12:12PM on 01/07/2014
J-man, I'm with you. I actually do own the movie on Blu. Supermnan II is my favorite Superman live-action movie, as well. Superman Returns sucked. The final scene and John Ottman's score are the only redeemers. Man of Steel was definitely a step in the right direction, but the movie did not have enough content content to sustain the 143-minute runtime. You might be right, it may not be thirty minutes, but it was short on story. (I'm basing the thirty minutes of action on your original
J-man, I'm with you. I actually do own the movie on Blu. Supermnan II is my favorite Superman live-action movie, as well. Superman Returns sucked. The final scene and John Ottman's score are the only redeemers. Man of Steel was definitely a step in the right direction, but the movie did not have enough content content to sustain the 143-minute runtime. You might be right, it may not be thirty minutes, but it was short on story. (I'm basing the thirty minutes of action on your original comment.) Supes just didn't do anything particularly heroic outside of the oil rig and the bus scene. Supes should emerge from the dust brutally beaten, and thank the soldiers surrounding him for helping him fight the Kryptonians. As for the New 52, I'm loving what Scott Snyder is doing with Superman Unchained. I didn't love Morrison's take at the relaunch, but Snyder gets him.
12:31PM on 01/07/2014
Fuzz - I agree with some of your points - but I still enjoyed the movie. I think sometimes people want more out of a movie because of the subject matter. like I really love superman and I want the perfect movie - which besides superman 2, we really wont get again. I think you have the same feeling. I am comparing this to other superhero films of this generation and by those standards its fun. I also thought green lantern was fun, but everyone hated that. I don't know, end of the day if you
Fuzz - I agree with some of your points - but I still enjoyed the movie. I think sometimes people want more out of a movie because of the subject matter. like I really love superman and I want the perfect movie - which besides superman 2, we really wont get again. I think you have the same feeling. I am comparing this to other superhero films of this generation and by those standards its fun. I also thought green lantern was fun, but everyone hated that. I don't know, end of the day if you enjoyed it that's all that matters. on the comics, I also prefer unchained to action - not sure why but grant Morrison didn't do it for me on action - all star is bloody amazing though.
12:42PM on 01/07/2014
J-man, it sounds like you and me are on point. Action didn't do it for me at all. I never read All-Star, but I caught the animated movie, which was great. I also liked Green Lantern more than I should have. I think the only aspect that movie failed in was giving Hal a foe to face off against. It's not very compelling to watch him fight Parallax. Sarsgaard was good, though. I love a great bad movie. Supes II will probably still be my favorite though. Something about it is just great. I
J-man, it sounds like you and me are on point. Action didn't do it for me at all. I never read All-Star, but I caught the animated movie, which was great. I also liked Green Lantern more than I should have. I think the only aspect that movie failed in was giving Hal a foe to face off against. It's not very compelling to watch him fight Parallax. Sarsgaard was good, though. I love a great bad movie. Supes II will probably still be my favorite though. Something about it is just great. I realize Lester had a hell of a foundation from Donner, but I even prefer the theatrical to the Donner cut.
12:50PM on 01/07/2014
Donner vs Lester - I kind of like lester - but I grew up on it, so its not fair. I HATE turning back time. BUT donner had brando and his scenes were amazing!
Donner vs Lester - I kind of like lester - but I grew up on it, so its not fair. I HATE turning back time. BUT donner had brando and his scenes were amazing!
10:11AM on 01/07/2014

Seinfeld's absolutely right.

It's what made Batman Begins so good and so refreshing. He's right to tread lightly, because we're lucky we got another Superman movie. But, Man of Steel should've been more about the character. The flashbacks were shot nicely in Terence Malick style, but they didn't build to any kind of payoff or satisfaction. They were disjointed, which made them difficult to connect to. Also, the action was 100% allegory for 9/11.
It's what made Batman Begins so good and so refreshing. He's right to tread lightly, because we're lucky we got another Superman movie. But, Man of Steel should've been more about the character. The flashbacks were shot nicely in Terence Malick style, but they didn't build to any kind of payoff or satisfaction. They were disjointed, which made them difficult to connect to. Also, the action was 100% allegory for 9/11.
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9:55AM on 01/07/2014
*Seinfeld impression* You know, everyone said Superman Returns had no action, and along comes Man of Steel and people are complaining there's too much of it, what's the deal?
*Seinfeld impression* You know, everyone said Superman Returns had no action, and along comes Man of Steel and people are complaining there's too much of it, what's the deal?
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9:40AM on 01/07/2014
No offense to Jerry but a lot of us were tired of the character study as it's been done time and time again with little to no excitement/action in the previous films. MOS gave me everything I ever wanted in a Superman film.
No offense to Jerry but a lot of us were tired of the character study as it's been done time and time again with little to no excitement/action in the previous films. MOS gave me everything I ever wanted in a Superman film.
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9:43AM on 01/07/2014
Agreed, I recognize it's a reboot- but when you have 75 years worth of history- I don't need it spoon fed to me.
Agreed, I recognize it's a reboot- but when you have 75 years worth of history- I don't need it spoon fed to me.
10:11AM on 01/07/2014
In my opinion it was the worst Superman movie ever. For people who simply like fights and explosions, I'm sure it was excellent. But for those who expect something more, it was atrocious. Terrible acting, zero character depth, corny dialogue, excessive non-stop action that just becomes tedious, and worst of all, it wasn't even really Superman. The suit was wrong, Lois knew his secret identity, and he was a murderer.

Big fail all round. No wonder it only has 55% on Rotten Tomatoes. I
In my opinion it was the worst Superman movie ever. For people who simply like fights and explosions, I'm sure it was excellent. But for those who expect something more, it was atrocious. Terrible acting, zero character depth, corny dialogue, excessive non-stop action that just becomes tedious, and worst of all, it wasn't even really Superman. The suit was wrong, Lois knew his secret identity, and he was a murderer.

Big fail all round. No wonder it only has 55% on Rotten Tomatoes. I completely agree. The Christopher Reeves Superman 1 & 2 were the best ever.
10:39AM on 01/07/2014
100% disagree with everything you said Motmaitre. This was the Superman of modern times and a flawed being. Calling him a murderer makes no sense as he was protecting what he thought was right and just. Also I didn't hear fans bitch and scream about Superman throwing a defenseless Zod into a bottomless pit which was much colder than Zod's death in MOS. People who think the acting in the original films was so superior need their heads examined or really need to push aside the nostalgia. All the
100% disagree with everything you said Motmaitre. This was the Superman of modern times and a flawed being. Calling him a murderer makes no sense as he was protecting what he thought was right and just. Also I didn't hear fans bitch and scream about Superman throwing a defenseless Zod into a bottomless pit which was much colder than Zod's death in MOS. People who think the acting in the original films was so superior need their heads examined or really need to push aside the nostalgia. All the faults you named for MOS are actually best describing the original films, even the first with exception to the action.
10:59AM on 01/07/2014
I agree! It was a Superman 2013 version that was very much what I wanted to see. How many more times can you fight a human who just wants real estate? When I watch comic book hero movies, I am not going in expecting Oscar worthy acting. It is a comic movie for Goodness sake. By the way...as for the suit...have you even picked up a DC superman comic lately? It has been updated. Still the same but no red underwear on the outside. You got the S sign on front, red cape, and blue tights. As
I agree! It was a Superman 2013 version that was very much what I wanted to see. How many more times can you fight a human who just wants real estate? When I watch comic book hero movies, I am not going in expecting Oscar worthy acting. It is a comic movie for Goodness sake. By the way...as for the suit...have you even picked up a DC superman comic lately? It has been updated. Still the same but no red underwear on the outside. You got the S sign on front, red cape, and blue tights. As for Louis knowing his identity, the writers knew that Louis for this day and age is not going to be naive by just putting on glasses she is not going to know who he is. So it was changed. You have to look at these franchises like a James Bond franchise....Sean Connery is to Christopher Reeve, Daniel Craig is to Henry Caville. If we complain because of an update, then I would say that Daniel Craig Bond has too much action... He is nothing like Bond because he is Blonde....or Heath Ledger was too serious and scary as the Joker compared to Jack Nicholson and Jack was too serious than Cesar Romero.

As for Superman Killing...you seen Superman 2. He took away Zods Powers, broke his hand, and threw him in the depths of the icey cavern where the fall probably killed him and the other 2 Kryptonians. Why doesn't anyone question that movie.....and he didn't seem to feel bad or had remorse for them. MOS he had to kill Zod because Zod said that the only way this is going to end is if one of us is killed. Superman had no choice...plus this was his first major fight so he is new to this situation and will probably learn from it. After he killed Zod, at least he fell more horrible for killing someone and the last of his kind.

Superman 2, he kills the last of his kind but the way it is done, no one questions it.
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