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10.10.2011

Some people believe that Joel Schumacher should have never touched anything having to do with Batman. These same people may also believe that after BATMAN FOREVER, Schumacher should not have gotten another chance. He humiliated Batman by giving his costume a set of hard nips. Yeah, sure, fighting crime does get exciting but we don't have to see the excitement.

Regardless of his Batman attempt, one person that Schumacher knew would do good with the superhero is Christopher Nolan. During press for TRESPASS, the director said this of his peer, "Chris Nolan is one of my favorite directors. Years ago I was doing press in Paris, and I was with Eli Richbourg. We were looking for a movie that wasn't in French . . . and we saw this British film called 'Following.' It's in black and white and it's Chris Nolan's first film, and . . . I just thought it was the work of a brilliant young director. So I always had him in the back of my mind, thinking, 'We're going to hear from this guy, big time.' Then I saw 'Memento' and the promise was fulfilled very fast."

Schumacher was not at all surprised by the success of THE DARK KNIGHT, "I think Chris Nolan is brilliant and I think Heath [Ledger] was extraordinary [in 'The Dark Knight.']. Chris is a master and he's so young, and god knows what's coming from him now." The director looks forward to the final installment of Nolan's Bats series, "I always look forward to what he's going to do next. Unlike some of my peers in the business, I am inspired by films I love, not jealous of them. When I see a film that disappoints -- and I'm sure I've made some of them -- that kind of depresses me. I don't go to the theater to dislike a movie, and I don't think the audience does either. Actually, it's critics that go to a movie to dislike it," he laughed. "They don't go as fans."

Despite the shit Schumacher gets for both of his Batman movies, he feels like each director to take on the hero has made a stamp of their own. "I think that Tim Burton's Batman movies are so Tim Burton. And I think 'Batman Forever' is really my movie."

I might be in the minority here but I like BATMAN FOREVER. Can't say the same for BATMAN & ROBIN. I also have no shame in stating that I love Burton's Batman films. BATMAN RETURNS deserves some kind of medal or something.

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6:00AM on 03/03/2012
Call me dumb.. but i was 10 whn i watched batman and robin and i thought it was a fun movie !!!
Call me dumb.. but i was 10 whn i watched batman and robin and i thought it was a fun movie !!!
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10:52AM on 10/12/2011

I still want that Batman credit card

It's refreshing to see that Schu harbors no animosity towards Nolan because of what he did with the Batman franchise.

I like that he is philosophical about the two versions he had the chance to make and he realizes what genuine cheesefests they were, at the same time he's not trying to disown them.

I said before, according to his sensibilities, Batman and Robin was the film he wanted to make the first time around, BF is tame in comparison, the guy has a penchant for the flamboyant and
It's refreshing to see that Schu harbors no animosity towards Nolan because of what he did with the Batman franchise.

I like that he is philosophical about the two versions he had the chance to make and he realizes what genuine cheesefests they were, at the same time he's not trying to disown them.

I said before, according to his sensibilities, Batman and Robin was the film he wanted to make the first time around, BF is tame in comparison, the guy has a penchant for the flamboyant and you don't anymore flamboyant than Batman and Robin, there is no hint of subtlety in that film, it's terrific entertainment albeit inappropriate for a Batman movie, i still can't get enough of it's excess. A masterpiece of flamboyance and unrestrained camp.

I love Nolan's take on the Bboy also, it was the one that took him serious again but it doesn't diminish how i feel about Schu's well intentioned "misfires" , still love them both.

I also appreciate what Burton did, he took a whimsical angle concerning the Batman mythos and it works to perfection. I still gets chills when i watch the opening title sequence, it was quite stunning to see that in the theater for the first time as a teenager, then to see the sequence when he takes Vale to the Batcave and the music that played, it became the stuff of legend , still is.

Then the sequel,Batman Returns was another example of a director getting to make the film he really wanted the second time around because Batman Returns is Burton's Batman masterpiece. Darker, more adult, sexy, slightly nihilistic, with a surreal just outside of reality setting and a wicked sense of "black" humor.

Love seeing that film for the gothic set design alone, it's quite remarkable and Keaton and MP are fantastic together. It's also still one of Devito's most brilliant performances although it's easily over the top.

Of course i can't wait for the next installment of Batman but i still and always will have a fondness for the ones that came before, i don't compare them anymore i just look at them as separate almost disparate entities in the Batman universe
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2:01PM on 10/11/2011

Remember Adam West's Batman

People expect Batman to be a serious and realistic drama but it's first incarnation was as a campy, spandex suit with laughable villains and cartoony supers. Nolan brought Batman into a new era but Schumacher tried to take it back to what he knew of the subject matter. In the words of the Joker "why so serious?"
People expect Batman to be a serious and realistic drama but it's first incarnation was as a campy, spandex suit with laughable villains and cartoony supers. Nolan brought Batman into a new era but Schumacher tried to take it back to what he knew of the subject matter. In the words of the Joker "why so serious?"
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2:01PM on 10/11/2011
For the record, I love the Nolan films.
For the record, I love the Nolan films.
1:02PM on 10/11/2011

Sorry...Batman Returns sucks

Burton's first Batman was great and classic, then he went crazy and Burtonized Gotham, and the people in the city (Chris Walken). The movie is so far away from what Batman should be because of how odd it was, but I guess it's cool to like "odd" burton shit. I haven't really been a fan of Burton since he went depp/helen crazy.

Batman Returns does deserve a medal...a medal of failure.
Burton's first Batman was great and classic, then he went crazy and Burtonized Gotham, and the people in the city (Chris Walken). The movie is so far away from what Batman should be because of how odd it was, but I guess it's cool to like "odd" burton shit. I haven't really been a fan of Burton since he went depp/helen crazy.

Batman Returns does deserve a medal...a medal of failure.
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10:02PM on 10/11/2011
I know that not many people agree with you but I am one who does. What he did with the Penguin was terrible in my opinion. I actually prefer Forever over Returns.
I know that not many people agree with you but I am one who does. What he did with the Penguin was terrible in my opinion. I actually prefer Forever over Returns.
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9:08AM on 10/11/2011

hmmm

I really have no idea what to make of Schumacher. The Lost Boys was great, The Number 23 was strange and at times hilarious.
But his two Batman movies were brutal. Forever has it's alright moments but the fact the Two Face was not Two Face sort of kills it for me. Batman & Robin was horrible. I mean no nipples on the Batgirl suit?! What kind of double standard is this?? >:(
I really have no idea what to make of Schumacher. The Lost Boys was great, The Number 23 was strange and at times hilarious.
But his two Batman movies were brutal. Forever has it's alright moments but the fact the Two Face was not Two Face sort of kills it for me. Batman & Robin was horrible. I mean no nipples on the Batgirl suit?! What kind of double standard is this?? >:(
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6:06PM on 10/11/2011
I think he was so focused on trying to capture the spirit of the old series while still clinging to the dark gothic imagery of Burton's films, that he ended up with the worst of both worlds.
I think he was so focused on trying to capture the spirit of the old series while still clinging to the dark gothic imagery of Burton's films, that he ended up with the worst of both worlds.
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9:05AM on 10/11/2011

Batman Forever

I didn't hate Batman Forever. I was such a fanboy back then it didn't even register. Now after seeing it in my adult life it is laughable. But there is one good thing left over. A Ahnuld life-size Mr. Freeze cardboard standup. If you ever have a Halloween party, stick that bad boy in the front entryway with a talk bubble saying "COOL PARTY!" and your party will be a hit. Guaranteed.
I didn't hate Batman Forever. I was such a fanboy back then it didn't even register. Now after seeing it in my adult life it is laughable. But there is one good thing left over. A Ahnuld life-size Mr. Freeze cardboard standup. If you ever have a Halloween party, stick that bad boy in the front entryway with a talk bubble saying "COOL PARTY!" and your party will be a hit. Guaranteed.
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4:02AM on 10/11/2011
Hating Batman and Robin is incredibly passe. While dumb, it is at least dumb in a fun/campy way (and is pretty true to the tone of the comic in the 60s, what with the awful puns, gadgets, and non-threatening villains).

I mean, in the near 15 years since its release, there have been hundreds of movies released that are much worse. Compared to the onslaught of shit we've seen lately, this shouldn't even be a blip on anyone's awfulness radar any more.
Hating Batman and Robin is incredibly passe. While dumb, it is at least dumb in a fun/campy way (and is pretty true to the tone of the comic in the 60s, what with the awful puns, gadgets, and non-threatening villains).

I mean, in the near 15 years since its release, there have been hundreds of movies released that are much worse. Compared to the onslaught of shit we've seen lately, this shouldn't even be a blip on anyone's awfulness radar any more.
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3:54AM on 10/11/2011
I loved Batman Forever. It's one of my favorite child hood action movies. Yes, it was all a bit campy and over the top, but nothing went too far and Val Kilmer was an underrated Bruce Wayne/Batman.
I loved Batman Forever. It's one of my favorite child hood action movies. Yes, it was all a bit campy and over the top, but nothing went too far and Val Kilmer was an underrated Bruce Wayne/Batman.
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1:58PM on 10/11/2011
Couldn't agree more.
Couldn't agree more.
3:22AM on 10/11/2011

Schumacher has made some great films

And the Batman & Robin rifftrax is hilarious!
And the Batman & Robin rifftrax is hilarious!
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2:10AM on 10/11/2011
Let Shoemacher direct another Batman film in the style of Phone Booth, and you got winner.
Let Shoemacher direct another Batman film in the style of Phone Booth, and you got winner.
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12:46AM on 10/11/2011
Whatever... After Batman and Robin Nolan could have filmed Batman taking a dump in a gutter for two hours and it would have been a better movie.
Whatever... After Batman and Robin Nolan could have filmed Batman taking a dump in a gutter for two hours and it would have been a better movie.
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11:10PM on 10/10/2011
who gives a fuck what Schumacher has to say about Batman
who gives a fuck what Schumacher has to say about Batman
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9:05AM on 10/11/2011
You do realize he's talking about Nolan mostly and that The Dark Knight is only one of Nolan's movies that are mentioned, right?
You do realize he's talking about Nolan mostly and that The Dark Knight is only one of Nolan's movies that are mentioned, right?
11:09PM on 10/10/2011
Word up on the Batman Returns love Nikki! This article was a good read and made me realize that maybe Schumacher aint such a bad guy. The man did do Lost Boys and Flatliners way before putting nipples on the batsuit, that has to count for something.
Word up on the Batman Returns love Nikki! This article was a good read and made me realize that maybe Schumacher aint such a bad guy. The man did do Lost Boys and Flatliners way before putting nipples on the batsuit, that has to count for something.
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10:57PM on 10/10/2011
I was the target audience for Schumacher's films. A young kid eager to buy toys and watch kid-friendly superhero films. Batman Forever had it's problems, but I liked some of it. What I liked most was the way he developed Robin, becoming Batman's partner/appentice. I thought O'Donnell did a good job in the role.
I was the target audience for Schumacher's films. A young kid eager to buy toys and watch kid-friendly superhero films. Batman Forever had it's problems, but I liked some of it. What I liked most was the way he developed Robin, becoming Batman's partner/appentice. I thought O'Donnell did a good job in the role.
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10:56AM on 10/12/2011
I totally agree, i enjoyed the dynamic between the two and they found a common ground.

I totally agree, i enjoyed the dynamic between the two and they found a common ground.

10:54PM on 10/10/2011
Nikki, I wont lie, there have been some occasions where I have read your article and had to make sure I wasn't still on Reddit, and it upset me.

But to hear you are a fan of both Batman Forever made my heart grew three sizes this day.
Nikki, I wont lie, there have been some occasions where I have read your article and had to make sure I wasn't still on Reddit, and it upset me.

But to hear you are a fan of both Batman Forever made my heart grew three sizes this day.
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10:22PM on 10/10/2011

Get over it

This shit happened fourteen years ago, let it go with him. If he hadn't fucked up on Batman and Robin, we would never have been given Nolan's amazing vision.

That said..

I know this is going to sound weird, but "Batman Forever" really started my obsession with movies. I remember walking out of that movie, when I was 12, and being so entertained and knowing that I was going to be a movie geek for life.
This shit happened fourteen years ago, let it go with him. If he hadn't fucked up on Batman and Robin, we would never have been given Nolan's amazing vision.

That said..

I know this is going to sound weird, but "Batman Forever" really started my obsession with movies. I remember walking out of that movie, when I was 12, and being so entertained and knowing that I was going to be a movie geek for life.
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10:04PM on 10/10/2011
This must be what it feels like to try and put down your puppy.....
This must be what it feels like to try and put down your puppy.....
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9:59PM on 10/10/2011
Keaton was a great Batman and Nicholson was a tremendous Joker. You can't really compare Burton's universe against Nolan's. However I think Keaton would have been a fabulous Batman in Nolan's vision.

As for B forever... bleh!!
Keaton was a great Batman and Nicholson was a tremendous Joker. You can't really compare Burton's universe against Nolan's. However I think Keaton would have been a fabulous Batman in Nolan's vision.

As for B forever... bleh!!
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9:46PM on 10/10/2011

i can't hate

truth is while i will agree that batman and robin is not a great film, in the right mood its a fun bad film. helped along by actors completely having fun on set and giving it their all in terms of the camp. i unlike most do not blame schumacher, simply because he gave the studios what they wanted in terms of a movie. to quote the studio he made it "toyriffic!". when you here about some of the ideas he wanted to do until studio involvement alot of it was very interesting, they had robin williams
truth is while i will agree that batman and robin is not a great film, in the right mood its a fun bad film. helped along by actors completely having fun on set and giving it their all in terms of the camp. i unlike most do not blame schumacher, simply because he gave the studios what they wanted in terms of a movie. to quote the studio he made it "toyriffic!". when you here about some of the ideas he wanted to do until studio involvement alot of it was very interesting, they had robin williams playing a riddler who was less gorshwin and more glover, a darker two-face graced with scenes like the bat must die sprayed across the asylum wall, and batman coming to terms with the idea his wanting to go to the theatre when the parents wanted to stay in might have caused their death. those are all points cut from the film in view of more family friendly i blame the parents, and studio after hearing the reception after batman returns if anyone is to blame its them.
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8:53PM on 10/10/2011
The thing about Schumacher is he's made some really great films, stuff that's more down to earth, grounded, and emotional. Which makes it so strange why he seemed to go (pardon the pun) batshit crazy when he got his hands on Batman. Now, Batman Forever was not a bad flick, certainly for mid-90's audiences anyway. It maintained a level of fun and camp without going too far over the edge, and Jim Carrey rocked it as the Riddler. Sadly, Batman and Robin was one of the worst pieces of crap ever
The thing about Schumacher is he's made some really great films, stuff that's more down to earth, grounded, and emotional. Which makes it so strange why he seemed to go (pardon the pun) batshit crazy when he got his hands on Batman. Now, Batman Forever was not a bad flick, certainly for mid-90's audiences anyway. It maintained a level of fun and camp without going too far over the edge, and Jim Carrey rocked it as the Riddler. Sadly, Batman and Robin was one of the worst pieces of crap ever smeared on celluloid. Despite this though, I'd have to say I don't think audiences of today would appreciate his Batman style if he were to try again with a new movie. Batman is in the right hands now.
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8:46PM on 10/10/2011
Sometimes it makes me wonder how it's the same guy who directed Falling Down & The Lost Boys could have done the worst two Batman films. WTH?
Sometimes it makes me wonder how it's the same guy who directed Falling Down & The Lost Boys could have done the worst two Batman films. WTH?
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8:44PM on 10/10/2011
Growing up, I think Batman Forever was the most accessible. I was young enough that The Joker and the Penguin genuinely scared me. But by the time Forever came about, it had a lighter touch. Plus I was in a phase of loving everything Tommy Lee Jones touched (I've since decided that was a rare exception, he was too over-the-top). But Batman & Robin got deservedly slammed. But Schumacher is the guy who gave us "Falling Down," "Flatliners" and "Tigerland." He's perfectly capable, if not infallible.
Growing up, I think Batman Forever was the most accessible. I was young enough that The Joker and the Penguin genuinely scared me. But by the time Forever came about, it had a lighter touch. Plus I was in a phase of loving everything Tommy Lee Jones touched (I've since decided that was a rare exception, he was too over-the-top). But Batman & Robin got deservedly slammed. But Schumacher is the guy who gave us "Falling Down," "Flatliners" and "Tigerland." He's perfectly capable, if not infallible.
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7:59PM on 10/10/2011
From his Batman films, Batman Forever is my favorite as it really contrast the darker tone set in Batman and Batman Returns. But I can't say the same for Batman & Robin which was an overkill. What Schumacher need to do is direct a thriller like Flatliners again. That movie was original and brilliant. Now his works are like gambling - it could be either a hit or a flop every now and then.
From his Batman films, Batman Forever is my favorite as it really contrast the darker tone set in Batman and Batman Returns. But I can't say the same for Batman & Robin which was an overkill. What Schumacher need to do is direct a thriller like Flatliners again. That movie was original and brilliant. Now his works are like gambling - it could be either a hit or a flop every now and then.
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7:35PM on 10/10/2011

SIGH.........

You idiots still don't quite understand that most directors have very little power. It's the Producers and Studio Executives who hold them by the leash. Ever wonder why Joel's other non-Batman films were never as bad? THINK. Anyways, good on him. His comments are genuine and sincere.
You idiots still don't quite understand that most directors have very little power. It's the Producers and Studio Executives who hold them by the leash. Ever wonder why Joel's other non-Batman films were never as bad? THINK. Anyways, good on him. His comments are genuine and sincere.
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6:36PM on 10/10/2011
I enjoyed Tim Burton's Batman, it was great seeing when I was kid..
I enjoyed Tim Burton's Batman, it was great seeing when I was kid..
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6:34PM on 10/10/2011
although Nolan's Batman films are the superhero films that all others be judged, I have a special place in my heart for Burton's Batman films, especially the first one. I dug Batman Forever too, It was the only one of all of them that had that hokey feel of the film and TV show from the 60's, but took itself just serious enough to maintain an edge. Batman and Robin, on the other hand, is pretty much the epitome of crap...
although Nolan's Batman films are the superhero films that all others be judged, I have a special place in my heart for Burton's Batman films, especially the first one. I dug Batman Forever too, It was the only one of all of them that had that hokey feel of the film and TV show from the 60's, but took itself just serious enough to maintain an edge. Batman and Robin, on the other hand, is pretty much the epitome of crap...
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6:12PM on 10/10/2011

I Have No Problem With Joel Schumacher

Joel Schumacher's Batman films pretty much defined my childhood. I was a HUGE Batman fan as a kid and I still am. I'm not ashamed to admit that I really enjoy all the Batman films, including Joel's. They're really fun.
Joel Schumacher's Batman films pretty much defined my childhood. I was a HUGE Batman fan as a kid and I still am. I'm not ashamed to admit that I really enjoy all the Batman films, including Joel's. They're really fun.
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6:09PM on 10/10/2011
Of course he's not surprised. lol
If I drew a horrendous stick drawing of Batman and then someone like Alex Ross made a drawing...umm yea. lol
Of course he's not surprised. lol
If I drew a horrendous stick drawing of Batman and then someone like Alex Ross made a drawing...umm yea. lol
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6:02PM on 10/10/2011
I liked Batman Forever too. I loved Carrey's Riddler although Tommy Lee Jones really did not capture Harvey Dent whatsoever. When Dark Knight Rises is all wrapped up and done, I will be looking forward to the next director to put their stamp on the franchise as well.
I liked Batman Forever too. I loved Carrey's Riddler although Tommy Lee Jones really did not capture Harvey Dent whatsoever. When Dark Knight Rises is all wrapped up and done, I will be looking forward to the next director to put their stamp on the franchise as well.
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6:02PM on 10/10/2011

I don't blame the guy

I think it was obvious Warner Bros. were shoveling the whole "WE NEED TO MAKE TOYS OUT OF THIS" mantra down Schumacher, otherwise they'dve stuck with Burton.

I just bought the set on Blu-Ray of the first four movies, I watched "Batman" tonight and genuinely look forward to re-visiting the latter two for a laugh, and even listening to Schumacher's commentary. I enjoyed them when I was a kid and at the time that was all that mattered I guess.
I think it was obvious Warner Bros. were shoveling the whole "WE NEED TO MAKE TOYS OUT OF THIS" mantra down Schumacher, otherwise they'dve stuck with Burton.

I just bought the set on Blu-Ray of the first four movies, I watched "Batman" tonight and genuinely look forward to re-visiting the latter two for a laugh, and even listening to Schumacher's commentary. I enjoyed them when I was a kid and at the time that was all that mattered I guess.
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5:41PM on 10/10/2011
I like Batman Forever a bit as well.. it's nowhere near the train-wreck of shit that Batman and Robin is.
I like Batman Forever a bit as well.. it's nowhere near the train-wreck of shit that Batman and Robin is.
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5:30PM on 10/10/2011
That's called class. Schumacher's comments show how classy he is and how he understands the business he works in. I think he understands how his movies, particularly Batman & Robin, weren't received well and why they weren't.

I enjoy watching Batman Forever every now and then, though it's still one of the worst Batman movies made. Schumacher's movies fall below that of Burton's and Nolan's - for me.
That's called class. Schumacher's comments show how classy he is and how he understands the business he works in. I think he understands how his movies, particularly Batman & Robin, weren't received well and why they weren't.

I enjoy watching Batman Forever every now and then, though it's still one of the worst Batman movies made. Schumacher's movies fall below that of Burton's and Nolan's - for me.
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5:17PM on 10/10/2011
Was he not surprised because Nolan did the EXACT opposite of what he did?

I agree with you Niki, Batman Forever was a fun take on Batman and I had a blast watching it as a kid and still do now. Kilmer made for an excellent and Carrey did a great job as The Riddler.
Was he not surprised because Nolan did the EXACT opposite of what he did?

I agree with you Niki, Batman Forever was a fun take on Batman and I had a blast watching it as a kid and still do now. Kilmer made for an excellent and Carrey did a great job as The Riddler.
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5:09PM on 10/10/2011

He's not surprized...

Really? Was he not surprized he, himself, almost ruined a multi-million dollar franchise?
Really? Was he not surprized he, himself, almost ruined a multi-million dollar franchise?
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