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Joss Whedon dishes more on The Avengers sequel, including details on the title, Ultron, Thanos, and more!

Aug. 2, 2013by: Paul Shirey

Speaking to Total Film magazine, director Joss Whedon has dropped some more information on his upcoming superhero sequel, THE AVENGERS: AGE OF ULTRON, spelling out some details in terms of villains, crossovers, Hank Pym, staying "grounded," and the use of the movie's title as it relates to the comics. First up, Whedon explains that the title of the film (Age of Ultron) is not a direct translation of the comic (nor could it be, as many of the main players in the comic are owned by Fox for their movie counterparts), but merely the use of a cool, fitting title.

“It’s not based on the series. Honestly, we went through a lot of titles – Underoos Of Ultron. None of them landed…Underoos would’ve been better because of the alliteration. But Age of Ultron really stuck. We were like, ‘It’s a book, but we’re still going to use it’.”

In terms of Hank Pym (aka ANT-MAN) being the creator of Ultron and following the exact origins of the robotic villain, as well as the number of characters in the film, Whedon clarified, saying:

“We’re not going to see Pym and all the accoutrements. Ultron is more central to the Avengers as they are. But we will explore the idea of lineage, because he was created by us and we’ve got to own that… Then we have the Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver and I think that’s plenty, because Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch did not begin their time as friends of the Avengers, so there’s going to be a lot of, well, conflict.”

The ever-growing rumblings of a crossover with the Fox-owned characters seems to be the talk of the town in terms of fan hope, but Whedon is quick to keep that in check, even if he's "cool" with the idea, saying:

“That’s not the plan. It would be cool but I think right now I already have a ton of very talented actors in my movie playing a ton of characters, and I’m about to add a few more. So I’m not like, ‘How can we get more licensed characters because I want to kill myself and make a nine-hour movie.’”

For fans that were expecting to see THE AVENGERS square off with the villain Thanos in the sequel (especially after that end-credits sequence in the first film), Whedon doesn't rule out them eventually squaring off with the purple-skinned titan, but says he was never meant for the sequel.

“We have to stay grounded. It’s part of what makes the Marvel universe click – their relationship to the real world. It’s science-fiction, and Thanos is not out of the mix, but Thanos was never meant to be the next villain. He’s always been the overlord of villainy & darkness.”

Pretty cool stuff. Regardless of all the awesome headed our way in 2015, I am still most excited for this one. As a dyed-in-the-wool Marvel guy it's where my interest peaks (but don't think for a second I'm not jazzed to see Superman and Batman in the same movie!). Note that Whedon doesn't rule out that Pym won't be seen in the film, just that we won't see all his "accoutrements" and also says "I’m about to add a few more [characters]." Now that is cause for speculation!

THE AVENGERS: AGE OF ULTRON is set to explode on May 1, 2015.

Extra Tidbit: Which "few more" characters do you hope Whedon is adding to the roster of the sequel?

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3:49PM on 08/18/2013

to the people who dont get whats wrong with Pym not creating Ultron...

you just dont get it... its not about Ultron.... its about the fact that Ultron is in the entire genesis and future plight and important aspect of the personality of Pym/Ant-Man... without him being Ultron's creator, that leaves a huge gap and erasing of who Hank Pym is supposed to end up being.... it degrades his story, because it is supposed to be a huge burden on who he becomes, and you cant just take away such an integral part of a character like that....
you just dont get it... its not about Ultron.... its about the fact that Ultron is in the entire genesis and future plight and important aspect of the personality of Pym/Ant-Man... without him being Ultron's creator, that leaves a huge gap and erasing of who Hank Pym is supposed to end up being.... it degrades his story, because it is supposed to be a huge burden on who he becomes, and you cant just take away such an integral part of a character like that....
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1:48PM on 08/06/2013
But Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch fought the X-Men first!
But Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch fought the X-Men first!
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3:07AM on 08/03/2013

On Thanos...

I fully expect to see Thanos in Avengers III as the main baddie. I wouldn't be surprised to see a plethora of Thanos related goodies in the upcoming Phase II films either as cameos or teases. Imagine the build-up off Phase II heading into 'trilogy' territory. We're going to see the full force return of Loki, perhaps some villains introduced in Phase II (Nebula, Ronan, etc) and hopefully [link] Red Skull under Thanos' command in a straight up, mega-action packed Avengers throwdown.
Or whatever. ">
I fully expect to see Thanos in Avengers III as the main baddie. I wouldn't be surprised to see a plethora of Thanos related goodies in the upcoming Phase II films either as cameos or teases. Imagine the build-up off Phase II heading into 'trilogy' territory. We're going to see the full force return of Loki, perhaps some villains introduced in Phase II (Nebula, Ronan, etc) and hopefully [link] Red Skull under Thanos' command in a straight up, mega-action packed Avengers throwdown.
Or whatever. I'm gonna buy a ticket.
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3:10AM on 08/03/2013
Also, Vin Diesel for Vision, please.
Also, Vin Diesel for Vision, please.
8:04PM on 08/03/2013
He's in GOTG
He's in GOTG
11:52PM on 08/02/2013

Ant-Man Dream Casting-That Can't Hapoen---Now!

I have been thinking about this for a while and it is a damn shame that they wasted Sam Rockwell as Justin Hammer in IM2...if he had been a reoccurring villain that would be one thing but he deserves to be a larger part of the Marvel Universe! Like I said I have been thinking and he would be perfect as Ant-Man.. He has the perfect mix of intelligence, comedic timing and acting ability. He would mix so well as a member of The Avengers and would elevate Pym to where RDJ took Tony Stark. I
I have been thinking about this for a while and it is a damn shame that they wasted Sam Rockwell as Justin Hammer in IM2...if he had been a reoccurring villain that would be one thing but he deserves to be a larger part of the Marvel Universe! Like I said I have been thinking and he would be perfect as Ant-Man.. He has the perfect mix of intelligence, comedic timing and acting ability. He would mix so well as a member of The Avengers and would elevate Pym to where RDJ took Tony Stark. I don't want people "double cast" in these movies because continuity is so important but man I just wish he hadn't been in IM2 and could be Ant-Man. I also like plkrtn's idea of Chris O'Dowd, that guy has shown (specifically with the IT Crowd) he can play a smart ass that you actually root for.
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4:41PM on 08/03/2013
damn you're right on that one.... sam rockwell would be an excellent choice. If only
damn you're right on that one.... sam rockwell would be an excellent choice. If only
5:45PM on 08/03/2013
Sorry it should be Happen in the title.
Sorry it should be Happen in the title.
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11:32PM on 08/02/2013
Why have so many teases if none of them are going to be apart of anything coming out anytime soon. Why have Thanos at the end of Avengers if he's not even going to play a main part in any of the new Marvel films coming out? And why tease Pym and Ant-Man if he's not playing any part in the Marvel universe atm? It just seems silly that Marvel was making teases at the end of their films that actually led to something and that actually got people to anticipate the next chapter and ultimately
Why have so many teases if none of them are going to be apart of anything coming out anytime soon. Why have Thanos at the end of Avengers if he's not even going to play a main part in any of the new Marvel films coming out? And why tease Pym and Ant-Man if he's not playing any part in the Marvel universe atm? It just seems silly that Marvel was making teases at the end of their films that actually led to something and that actually got people to anticipate the next chapter and ultimately Avengers. Now, all they do is tease with loose bits that have nothing to do with anything coming out in the next 2-3 years. Would it really have been so hard to make Thanos a villain in one of the coming films or have him in the next Avengers, and if they're going to have Ultron in the next Avengers, to have Pym as the creator? Does it really have to be all about Stark?
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9:25PM on 08/02/2013
Underoos of Ultron...heh. People seem to forget just how funny Joss Whedon is, and that his grasp of comedy in addition to how well he writes dramatic character relations was a big part of why The Avengers was such a success. I certainly trust he'll deliver on Age of Ultron. I'm glad he's come out to clarify that this won't be an adaptation of the story of the same name, because there are those who will say "but this isn't a faithful adaptation!" and the like. I guess it works better than
Underoos of Ultron...heh. People seem to forget just how funny Joss Whedon is, and that his grasp of comedy in addition to how well he writes dramatic character relations was a big part of why The Avengers was such a success. I certainly trust he'll deliver on Age of Ultron. I'm glad he's come out to clarify that this won't be an adaptation of the story of the same name, because there are those who will say "but this isn't a faithful adaptation!" and the like. I guess it works better than something like "Rise of Ultron", at any rate.
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7:53PM on 08/02/2013

I'm going to make a wild claim

Chris O'Dowd will be Hank Pym and his cameo in Thor : The Dark World introduces him.

Probably won't happen, but its as good a theory as anyone's right now.
Chris O'Dowd will be Hank Pym and his cameo in Thor : The Dark World introduces him.

Probably won't happen, but its as good a theory as anyone's right now.
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11:42PM on 08/02/2013
I like that casting!
I like that casting!
8:01PM on 08/04/2013
And he can make a special appearance in Avengers 2, finally telling Tony Stark how to defeat Ultron:

"Have you tried turning it off and on again?"
And he can make a special appearance in Avengers 2, finally telling Tony Stark how to defeat Ultron:

"Have you tried turning it off and on again?"
6:49PM on 08/02/2013
Pym doesn't need to create Ultron. Keep in mind, this isn't the comics, this is the movie-verse. Jarvis is an AI, Donald Blake wasn't in Thor, the Avengers don't live in a mansion, the Mandarin doesn't have power rings, and Ultron doesn't HAVE to be created by Hank Pym. He can be just as cool a character without Henry Pym being involved.
Pym doesn't need to create Ultron. Keep in mind, this isn't the comics, this is the movie-verse. Jarvis is an AI, Donald Blake wasn't in Thor, the Avengers don't live in a mansion, the Mandarin doesn't have power rings, and Ultron doesn't HAVE to be created by Hank Pym. He can be just as cool a character without Henry Pym being involved.
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3:47PM on 08/18/2013
you just dont get it... its not about Ultron.... its about the fact that Ultron is in the entire genesis and future plight and important aspect of the personality of Pym/Ant-Man... without him being Ultron's creator, that leaves a huge gap and erasing of who Hank Pym is supposed to end up being.... it degrades his story, because it is supposed to be a huge burden on who he becomes, and you cant just take away such an integral part of a character like that....
you just dont get it... its not about Ultron.... its about the fact that Ultron is in the entire genesis and future plight and important aspect of the personality of Pym/Ant-Man... without him being Ultron's creator, that leaves a huge gap and erasing of who Hank Pym is supposed to end up being.... it degrades his story, because it is supposed to be a huge burden on who he becomes, and you cant just take away such an integral part of a character like that....
5:25PM on 08/02/2013

you know...

they intentionally cut the mention of Pym from the Thor movie (see the deleted scenes) and i imagine its for a reason that is coming clearer now.
they intentionally cut the mention of Pym from the Thor movie (see the deleted scenes) and i imagine its for a reason that is coming clearer now.
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4:44PM on 08/02/2013
Pym was in the first 'Avengers', the camera just never zoomed in and focused on him.
Pym was in the first 'Avengers', the camera just never zoomed in and focused on him.
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5:00PM on 08/02/2013
What?
What?
6:58PM on 08/02/2013
Joke - - - - - - - - - - - - ->
The_Soloist's head.
Joke - - - - - - - - - - - - ->
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3:59PM on 08/02/2013
They should include Pym in some shape or form, even if its just a mention of his name. A good subtle example would be to say that Pym gave over Ultron's schematics to Stark Industries/SHIELD, much like he did in the EMH cartoon, SHIELD used lots them as a police force for the super villain prisons, at one point Pym scolded Stark for aiding them for this.
They should include Pym in some shape or form, even if its just a mention of his name. A good subtle example would be to say that Pym gave over Ultron's schematics to Stark Industries/SHIELD, much like he did in the EMH cartoon, SHIELD used lots them as a police force for the super villain prisons, at one point Pym scolded Stark for aiding them for this.
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3:29PM on 08/02/2013

BUY WOLVERINE ALREADY

..I want Wolvy in Avengers and also Spidy
..I want Wolvy in Avengers and also Spidy
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3:25PM on 08/02/2013
A lot of people complaining about the non-inclusion of Pym as if the fucking awesome Edgar Wright isn't already confirmed and involved in bringing Ant-Man to screens.
A lot of people complaining about the non-inclusion of Pym as if the fucking awesome Edgar Wright isn't already confirmed and involved in bringing Ant-Man to screens.
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3:20PM on 08/02/2013
I hope he throws in Black Panther. He could easily set up a third act in which Ultron invades Wakanda to utilize the technology, the Avengers follow him there and BOOM! Black Panther shows up to help out.
And I hope they do utilize Pym in some regard. It would be cool if perhaps Pym is a scientist already working for SHIELD and he's somehow working with Stark on utilizing AI for the Iron Man suits and that leads into Ultron being created.
I hope he throws in Black Panther. He could easily set up a third act in which Ultron invades Wakanda to utilize the technology, the Avengers follow him there and BOOM! Black Panther shows up to help out.
And I hope they do utilize Pym in some regard. It would be cool if perhaps Pym is a scientist already working for SHIELD and he's somehow working with Stark on utilizing AI for the Iron Man suits and that leads into Ultron being created.
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2:50PM on 08/02/2013

On Pym and Ultron

Though it seems that Stark will now be the creator of Ultron, Whedon doesn't clarify that nor does he clarify that Pym is not in the movie at all, only that Ant-man is not. It is possible that we will see Pym as a Stark Industries employee working with Stark to create Ultron. Pym is after all a biochemist while Stark is the engineer. Together they have a better chance of building a living robot. The first movie post Avengers: AoU is Ant-man and I would wager that Pym, feeling guilty that he
Though it seems that Stark will now be the creator of Ultron, Whedon doesn't clarify that nor does he clarify that Pym is not in the movie at all, only that Ant-man is not. It is possible that we will see Pym as a Stark Industries employee working with Stark to create Ultron. Pym is after all a biochemist while Stark is the engineer. Together they have a better chance of building a living robot. The first movie post Avengers: AoU is Ant-man and I would wager that Pym, feeling guilty that he helped create Ultron, dons the mantle of Ant-man. Maybe his reasoning is to steal the plans so that Ultron can't happen again thus the scene in the test reel of him breaking into some facility, though I am aware that test footage is not inspired by the actual movie, or possibly Ant-man happens during the events of the Avengers. Many of the Phase One movies happened simultaneously so it is a possibility.
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2:43AM on 08/03/2013
Tony Stark is an expert in robotics and AI. Why would he need anybody's help, let alone that of a biochemist, to build Ultron? Hank Pym should have been introduced in Iron Man 2: Tony Stark was dying and Hank Pym could have helped him. Tony Stark is not medical doctor so why did he cure himself. Hank Pym isn't a medical doctor either although his research would have medical applications. (What happens to a wounded man when he is shrunk? Presumably he would heal more quickly. He would
Tony Stark is an expert in robotics and AI. Why would he need anybody's help, let alone that of a biochemist, to build Ultron? Hank Pym should have been introduced in Iron Man 2: Tony Stark was dying and Hank Pym could have helped him. Tony Stark is not medical doctor so why did he cure himself. Hank Pym isn't a medical doctor either although his research would have medical applications. (What happens to a wounded man when he is shrunk? Presumably he would heal more quickly. He would certainly need less food.)

It is plausible that Hank Pym worked on the Ultron AI. In real life a team of researchers would work on such a project. This would have run parallel to his Ant Man project. I don't think they will go this route though because it takes personal responsibility from Tony if Ultron was created by Stark Industries as a team and not by Tony alone.
1:44PM on 08/05/2013
Stark wouldn't need help, I agree. I was letting my mind wander through possible connections and no a biochemist would have nothing to do with androids unless they went the cyborg route and made some aspect of Ultron biological, whether or not that would be a good idea is speculative. I still wonder if Pym will show up in some capacity before Ant-man, even in a cameo. I'd bet that he does.
Stark wouldn't need help, I agree. I was letting my mind wander through possible connections and no a biochemist would have nothing to do with androids unless they went the cyborg route and made some aspect of Ultron biological, whether or not that would be a good idea is speculative. I still wonder if Pym will show up in some capacity before Ant-man, even in a cameo. I'd bet that he does.
2:49PM on 08/02/2013

Black Panther!

They've been hinting at the character from the get-go, they should finally bring him in. And cast a younger actor: John Boyega would be an inspired choice, as would Mehcad Brooks.
They've been hinting at the character from the get-go, they should finally bring him in. And cast a younger actor: John Boyega would be an inspired choice, as would Mehcad Brooks.
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3:16AM on 08/03/2013
Betcha it's Phase 3 with Black Panther and Ms. Marvel.
I think Black Panther can carry a movie so I'd actually rather see a solo Panther flick before he's thrown straight into the Avengers.
Betcha it's Phase 3 with Black Panther and Ms. Marvel.
I think Black Panther can carry a movie so I'd actually rather see a solo Panther flick before he's thrown straight into the Avengers.
2:48PM on 08/02/2013

extra tidbit

the few more characters i wanna see are actually ones we've already seen. Falcon, War Machine, Winter Soldier, etc. The Side superheroes from phase 2 finally playing with the big team. If they arent getting their own movie, they could at least get the recognition of being apart of the Avengers.

Since Scarlett Witch and Quicksilver are being introduced in Avengers 2, i think introducing more characters could make the film too muddled. Falcon and War Machine have already been introduced, so
the few more characters i wanna see are actually ones we've already seen. Falcon, War Machine, Winter Soldier, etc. The Side superheroes from phase 2 finally playing with the big team. If they arent getting their own movie, they could at least get the recognition of being apart of the Avengers.

Since Scarlett Witch and Quicksilver are being introduced in Avengers 2, i think introducing more characters could make the film too muddled. Falcon and War Machine have already been introduced, so you can just have them show up, they don't even need that much dialogue, just some cool stuff to do.
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2:52PM on 08/02/2013
I agree with this completely. I think it would be hard to explain Rhodey's absence twice. I believe that Falcon has been confirmed to make an appearance though.
I agree with this completely. I think it would be hard to explain Rhodey's absence twice. I believe that Falcon has been confirmed to make an appearance though.
2:41PM on 08/02/2013
I'm really looking forward to this film. I know he said Ant-Man won't be in it, but I really hope Pym is a scientist for Stark Industries and is somehow included in the mix. I trust Whedon to do another good job.
I'm really looking forward to this film. I know he said Ant-Man won't be in it, but I really hope Pym is a scientist for Stark Industries and is somehow included in the mix. I trust Whedon to do another good job.
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2:39PM on 08/02/2013

"...and I think that’s plenty,"

Something more directors of superhero movies needs to say.
Something more directors of superhero movies needs to say.
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7:48PM on 08/02/2013
Bryan Singer could probably learn a thing or to from him.
Bryan Singer could probably learn a thing or to from him.
2:35PM on 08/02/2013

which characters? hmm let me think about that:

Nathan Fillion
Alan Tudyk
Dichen Lachman
Fran Kranz
Morena Baccarin
Harry Lennix
Tamoh Peniket
Eliza Dushku
Sarah Michelle Gellar
Alyson Hannigan
Nicholas Brendon
Olivia Williams
Gina Torres
Sean Maher
Jewel Staitie
Anthony Head
James Marsters
David Boreanaz
Amy Acker
Emma Caulfield
Enver Gjokaj
Mercedes McNab
Neil Patrick Harris
Charisma Carpenter
Felicia Day
Marc Blucas
Amber Benson
Nathan Fillion
Alan Tudyk
Dichen Lachman
Fran Kranz
Morena Baccarin
Harry Lennix
Tamoh Peniket
Eliza Dushku
Sarah Michelle Gellar
Alyson Hannigan
Nicholas Brendon
Olivia Williams
Gina Torres
Sean Maher
Jewel Staitie
Anthony Head
James Marsters
David Boreanaz
Amy Acker
Emma Caulfield
Enver Gjokaj
Mercedes McNab
Neil Patrick Harris
Charisma Carpenter
Felicia Day
Marc Blucas
Amber Benson
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2:55PM on 08/02/2013
Those are actors.
Those are actors.
3:37PM on 08/02/2013
most are characters as well!
most are characters as well!
5:24PM on 08/02/2013
That's a whole lot of Jossimites.
That's a whole lot of Jossimites.
5:46PM on 08/02/2013
At least Fillion is at the top of the list!
At least Fillion is at the top of the list!
2:31PM on 08/02/2013

extra tidbit

If this movie is supposed to be all over the world, than you would think we would get Black Panther. I dont mind Stark creating Ultron WITH Pym, but Pym needs to be involved in the creation of Ultron. So I would hope its Pym and Black Panther and Wasp maybe
If this movie is supposed to be all over the world, than you would think we would get Black Panther. I dont mind Stark creating Ultron WITH Pym, but Pym needs to be involved in the creation of Ultron. So I would hope its Pym and Black Panther and Wasp maybe
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2:31PM on 08/02/2013
I don't mind Stark being the creator of Ultron, but I also wanted to see Hank Pym create him as well so that we could have gotten a proper Ant Man origins film.
I don't mind Stark being the creator of Ultron, but I also wanted to see Hank Pym create him as well so that we could have gotten a proper Ant Man origins film.
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2:27PM on 08/02/2013
Im excited for Ultron being in the flick, but i wish Pym was in it as well. even if he has a small part in creating ultron as a somewhat rival, or to fill the void of Stark not being around due to the events in Ironman 3. then the events of this film he cause him to become Antman. this is just a brain storming idea.
Im excited for Ultron being in the flick, but i wish Pym was in it as well. even if he has a small part in creating ultron as a somewhat rival, or to fill the void of Stark not being around due to the events in Ironman 3. then the events of this film he cause him to become Antman. this is just a brain storming idea.
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