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Joss Whedon says Thanos will be in The Avengers 2, but other villains will be shaking up the hero team

04.29.2013

As it has been said countless times since the end credits rolled on the first film, Thanos is coming to the Marvel Cinematic Universe.  We have heard over and over again that he would make an appearance in THE AVENGERS 2 and possibly GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY, but this seems to be the first we are hearing that he may not be the primary antagonist in either film.

Going back to a quote from Marvel honcho Kevin Feige last year, he indicated the presence of Thanos was going to be felt for a long time to come:

“Clearly, there’s a purpose to us putting him in the end of that movie. We do have plans for him. I wouldn’t say we ever feel the need to rush anything one way or the other. We succeeded in Phase One because we stuck to our guns and stuck to the plan. That plan took place over many, many years and it ultimately paid off. I see Phase Two unfolding in the same way of us taking our time, us doing what’s right for each individual movie, while folding in elements that will not only build up to the culmination of Phase Two, but even Phase Three."

Marvel and Disney have seemed to have formulated a master plan for their film universe, all of which culminates with THE AVENGERS movies.  Thanos is such a vast villain that he needs to be more than someone who shows up and is either killed or destroyed at the end of a single film.  What makes Loki work so well is that he appeared in THOR, then in THE AVENGERS, and will be back in THOR: THE DARK WORLD.  His presence reverberates through the Marvel films which gives him that much more presence.  So, what will happen with Thanos?  Joss Whedon recently told Desde Hollywood this about Thanos:

He is so powerful he is not someone you can just try out and punch him. Like he did in the comics, you want him threading through the universe and to save the big finale for the big finale. He is definitely a part of what I have got going on.

The thing about The Avengers is that they are very powerful but not very stable. So, there will definitely be some people that will shake them up in the next installment.”

We have not heard any rumors as to who these other villains might be, but I like that Thanos is being "threaded in" and not just thrown at the audience.  For every person who knew who the Mad Titan was last summer, there were three who had no clue.  Bringing Thanos into the movies as a phantom menace (sorry, but it actually works here!) is the best approach to making him that much more perilous.

The foregone conclusion for THE AVENGERS 2 is that the team will fail.  This is going to the THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK of the Marvel movies and our team cannot always win.  In the movies, seeing the good guys lose and then have to rebuild is more dramatic then having them just succeed over and over again.  I hope that what we end up getting in the sequel lives up to what we are all hoping for.

THE AVENGERS 2 opens on May 1, 2015.

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Source: Screen Rant

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2:16AM on 05/04/2015
Well that was pretty much a total crock of shit from Whedon. SHOCKING.
Well that was pretty much a total crock of shit from Whedon. SHOCKING.
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1:37PM on 05/09/2013

in whedonspeak:

"the big bad"
"the big bad"
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1:42AM on 05/01/2013

LOL @ some of these people...

"I wish they spent more time on the first one." Blah, blah, blah. They spent YEARS not only coming up with a story for 'The Avengers,' but also stories for all of the other movies to intertwine and come together for the big "team movie." I wish some of you people spent more time thinking about shit like that instead of blasting it.
"I wish they spent more time on the first one." Blah, blah, blah. They spent YEARS not only coming up with a story for 'The Avengers,' but also stories for all of the other movies to intertwine and come together for the big "team movie." I wish some of you people spent more time thinking about shit like that instead of blasting it.
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10:35PM on 05/01/2013
Well said, sir.
Well said, sir.
12:25PM on 11/02/2013
Wait....there was a story in The Avengers?
Wait....there was a story in The Avengers?
2:34PM on 04/30/2013

The bro/sis duo is Quicksilver and Scarlett Witch

The real question is whether we can get a Magneto cameo. Maybe they can bridge X-men and Spider Man through this relationship. Either way, I have faith that phase 2 will end up as organized and sprawling of a universe as phase 1 was.
The real question is whether we can get a Magneto cameo. Maybe they can bridge X-men and Spider Man through this relationship. Either way, I have faith that phase 2 will end up as organized and sprawling of a universe as phase 1 was.
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9:24AM on 04/30/2013

WTF are you talikng about

Almost everything you said is absolutely true, except its not their downfall, but their greatest asset. Comic Books have always been interconnected and it has always worked. And if you consider critic and average moviergoer praise and financial success a failure, you my friend need to get your head checked because you are not from this planet.
Almost everything you said is absolutely true, except its not their downfall, but their greatest asset. Comic Books have always been interconnected and it has always worked. And if you consider critic and average moviergoer praise and financial success a failure, you my friend need to get your head checked because you are not from this planet.
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12:18PM on 04/30/2013
My point was that they shouldn't be interconnected as films while at the same time portraying them as standalone introductions to a character and potential sequels. And while it was somewhat financially successful at the getgo your average moviegoer and critic would/did consider IM2 a failure because it was pigeonhold by Marvel into a comic book format with an Avengers subplot and Marvel universe merchandise being the sole existence of the film. If they continue churning them out as comic
My point was that they shouldn't be interconnected as films while at the same time portraying them as standalone introductions to a character and potential sequels. And while it was somewhat financially successful at the getgo your average moviegoer and critic would/did consider IM2 a failure because it was pigeonhold by Marvel into a comic book format with an Avengers subplot and Marvel universe merchandise being the sole existence of the film. If they continue churning them out as comic books, the model will fail because it'll be too diluted in prior knowledge of other films and comic book lore for average joe. It should be soely entertainment in the serial format like James Bond or Indiana Jones, you should be able to immerse into the adventure and not think of subplots to some other film just because it's by the same studio, that's asinine.
4:42PM on 04/30/2013
In the short term, some might consider Iron Man 2 a failure, but in the long run in my opinion, it was a huge success. In Marvel Phase One, Iron Man was the only one that had a sequel so introducing the Avengers subplot in that movie was risky but by far the best way to do it because it didn't interfere with the introduction of the main character. We already knew who he was. If they had done this with the Incredible Hulk, Thor or Captain America: The First Avenger on the other hand, I might be
In the short term, some might consider Iron Man 2 a failure, but in the long run in my opinion, it was a huge success. In Marvel Phase One, Iron Man was the only one that had a sequel so introducing the Avengers subplot in that movie was risky but by far the best way to do it because it didn't interfere with the introduction of the main character. We already knew who he was. If they had done this with the Incredible Hulk, Thor or Captain America: The First Avenger on the other hand, I might be more inclined to agree with you. But they didn't and Iron Man 3 is a stand-alone film in the spirit of the first Iron Man movie than the second one. They know what they're doing. Furthermore, the model will eventually fail regardless because of time. Even James Bond eventually had to be rebooted and people are still complaining about Indiana Jones's last outing five years later.
10:46PM on 04/30/2013
no hes right, this was a horrible idea by marvel, seeing as how bad the avengers failed marvel never should have done this....oh wait...
no hes right, this was a horrible idea by marvel, seeing as how bad the avengers failed marvel never should have done this....oh wait...
7:22AM on 04/30/2013
This whole phasing plan is what really turns me off to all Marvel films. Iron Man 2 was the penultimate example of Marvel forcing their hand in turning film into an infomercial for other Marvel merchandise. it failed miserably at connecting with the general audiences, simply because of they had been sold a bill of goods. Iron Man worked because it wasn't a typical geeked out Marvel film like Elecktra or Daredevil, people felt comfortable. But all these other films fail because Marvel buisness
This whole phasing plan is what really turns me off to all Marvel films. Iron Man 2 was the penultimate example of Marvel forcing their hand in turning film into an infomercial for other Marvel merchandise. it failed miserably at connecting with the general audiences, simply because of they had been sold a bill of goods. Iron Man worked because it wasn't a typical geeked out Marvel film like Elecktra or Daredevil, people felt comfortable. But all these other films fail because Marvel buisness plan, you can't enjoy them as individual films because of the continuous thread and other nuisances which are holding the plot together. Marvel should keep both the films and books separate, you'll get fans either way; but forcing the latter only destroys any new customers. I'm hoping Iron Man 3 holds no connection to The Avengers, because it's a shame to see such a film franchise shoot itself in the foot twice for the sake of a buck
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12:28PM on 11/02/2013
Well said. I'm sick of Marvel right now and there consistency to make "average" films.
Well said. I'm sick of Marvel right now and there consistency to make "average" films.
8:12PM on 04/29/2013

Trust the Whedon.

That's it really.
That's it really.
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8:11PM on 04/29/2013
So are they pretty much saying that the 'Avengers' is a planned trilogy? That 'Avengers 2' is pretty much going to be the' Empire Strikes Back' of superhero movies? Interesting.
So are they pretty much saying that the 'Avengers' is a planned trilogy? That 'Avengers 2' is pretty much going to be the' Empire Strikes Back' of superhero movies? Interesting.
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6:45PM on 04/29/2013
Well with the brother and sister rumor from last week I'd say there is a good chance that if Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch are in Avengers 2 they might be there as villains. That's how they started off in the comics so I'd me more than ok with them as part of the antagonists.
And I'll say it again. Whedon HAS TO plant the seed for Ultron in Avengers 2 (if it's not done in Ant-Man).
Well with the brother and sister rumor from last week I'd say there is a good chance that if Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch are in Avengers 2 they might be there as villains. That's how they started off in the comics so I'd me more than ok with them as part of the antagonists.
And I'll say it again. Whedon HAS TO plant the seed for Ultron in Avengers 2 (if it's not done in Ant-Man).
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3:51PM on 04/29/2013

i assume we're only going up to phase 3?

Avengers 2: Thanos is introduced with backstory and attacks without the Infinity Gauntlet

Phase 3 solo films wrap up with Thanos getting all the gems at the end credits

Avengers 3: Super Thanos seeks revenge with the Infinity Gauntlet
Avengers 2: Thanos is introduced with backstory and attacks without the Infinity Gauntlet

Phase 3 solo films wrap up with Thanos getting all the gems at the end credits

Avengers 3: Super Thanos seeks revenge with the Infinity Gauntlet
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3:32PM on 04/29/2013

Movies after Phase 2 are going to be sick

If Avengers 2 introduces Thanos properly, imagin what the solo movies are going to have to accomplish. Will they even do solo movies at that point? I bet they will start doing team up films because the villains are going to only get tougher from here on out.

At the end of Avengers 2, the heroes fail and have to separate across the world and universe to stop intergalactic villains before they get another shot at Thanos. Thor goes back to Asgard but takes Ant Man and HawkEye for backup while
If Avengers 2 introduces Thanos properly, imagin what the solo movies are going to have to accomplish. Will they even do solo movies at that point? I bet they will start doing team up films because the villains are going to only get tougher from here on out.

At the end of Avengers 2, the heroes fail and have to separate across the world and universe to stop intergalactic villains before they get another shot at Thanos. Thor goes back to Asgard but takes Ant Man and HawkEye for backup while fighting Surtur, Ironman and Hulk team up and take on TYRANNUS, while Captain America and Dr Strange take on Dormammu.
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3:39PM on 04/29/2013
I would love if Marvel went in that direction. Team-up films have been something we've never really seen introduced in a cinematic way. If successful, I could see DC finally trying to bring Batman and Superman together.
I would love if Marvel went in that direction. Team-up films have been something we've never really seen introduced in a cinematic way. If successful, I could see DC finally trying to bring Batman and Superman together.
8:27PM on 04/29/2013
I would have no problem with team up films. That would be an awesome direction to go with Phase 3.
I would have no problem with team up films. That would be an awesome direction to go with Phase 3.
3:29PM on 04/29/2013
So does that mean Thanos will be the main villain for Avengers 3 considering how powerful he is and that perhaps they want to save the strongest villain to go up against the team for last?

I like the idea of making them fail in Avengers 2 and making Avengers 3 the film where everyone is re-deemed.
So does that mean Thanos will be the main villain for Avengers 3 considering how powerful he is and that perhaps they want to save the strongest villain to go up against the team for last?

I like the idea of making them fail in Avengers 2 and making Avengers 3 the film where everyone is re-deemed.
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3:18PM on 04/29/2013

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I hope the new one has more substance to it. They threw in Hawkeye and Black Widow and he didn't really give them anything to do. I am already tired of Loki. The villains were kind of weak. Captain America was great in the beginning, but somehow turned into this goofy shit head in the end. The good points were the Hulk and Iron Man of course. However, I think the story needed tightening up. I hope I can enjoy the next one. Thanos is a great character.
I hope the new one has more substance to it. They threw in Hawkeye and Black Widow and he didn't really give them anything to do. I am already tired of Loki. The villains were kind of weak. Captain America was great in the beginning, but somehow turned into this goofy shit head in the end. The good points were the Hulk and Iron Man of course. However, I think the story needed tightening up. I hope I can enjoy the next one. Thanos is a great character.
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7:36PM on 04/29/2013
Pay no attention to all the downvotes from fanboys. You're absolutely right. Avengers was nothing more than a mindless, albeit ridiculously successful summer blockbuster. The only BIG draw it had going for it was that it had all the characters from the solo movies in one huge film. This was a big deal, but that's literally all it had going for it. Not much going for it story/plot-wise, and the villain and his powers (mind control? an army of anonymous aliens who died Phantom Menace-style?
Pay no attention to all the downvotes from fanboys. You're absolutely right. Avengers was nothing more than a mindless, albeit ridiculously successful summer blockbuster. The only BIG draw it had going for it was that it had all the characters from the solo movies in one huge film. This was a big deal, but that's literally all it had going for it. Not much going for it story/plot-wise, and the villain and his powers (mind control? an army of anonymous aliens who died Phantom Menace-style? really?) were weak. I'd honestly hope they would have the sequel have more substance to it than the first one.
3:18PM on 04/29/2013
Nice! Love that they're going this route...
Now bring on Kang the Conqueror!!!
Nice! Love that they're going this route...
Now bring on Kang the Conqueror!!!
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3:14PM on 04/29/2013

If they fail in Avengers 2

(not that it will be a bad thing if they do) how do you go back to solo movies tho? we have to assume phase 3 will have thor and cap 3, so if the team fails and the bad guys win how is that going to work? it would work if they went from avengers 2 right to avengers 3, and i guess it could work if ant man, dr strange, maybe a black panther movie and something else were phase 3 and going on right around the same time as avengers, but i dunno how you could do cap and thor 3 right after the team
(not that it will be a bad thing if they do) how do you go back to solo movies tho? we have to assume phase 3 will have thor and cap 3, so if the team fails and the bad guys win how is that going to work? it would work if they went from avengers 2 right to avengers 3, and i guess it could work if ant man, dr strange, maybe a black panther movie and something else were phase 3 and going on right around the same time as avengers, but i dunno how you could do cap and thor 3 right after the team fails, unless they go off world and just make it back without getting killed or something
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3:33PM on 04/29/2013
Knowing Whedon and his tendency to kill off beloved characters, you never know... He could kill off Steve Rogers and then do Cap America 3 with Bucky (Winter Soldier) becoming Cap Am like in the comic run...
Knowing Whedon and his tendency to kill off beloved characters, you never know... He could kill off Steve Rogers and then do Cap America 3 with Bucky (Winter Soldier) becoming Cap Am like in the comic run...
3:35PM on 04/29/2013
I have a feeling we won't be getting a Phase Three that consists of sequels to Captain America, Iron Man, and Thor. Marvel/Disney seems to be getting more and more adventurous with their ideas and wanting to use as many of the popular characters they have, in the smartest way. If GOTG is a success, then you can bet we'll see more films like that in Phase Three. I'm dying for a Doctor Strange, Black Panther, and possibly Daredevil introduction.
I have a feeling we won't be getting a Phase Three that consists of sequels to Captain America, Iron Man, and Thor. Marvel/Disney seems to be getting more and more adventurous with their ideas and wanting to use as many of the popular characters they have, in the smartest way. If GOTG is a success, then you can bet we'll see more films like that in Phase Three. I'm dying for a Doctor Strange, Black Panther, and possibly Daredevil introduction.
4:02PM on 04/29/2013
unless.... what if Avengers 2 ends with Thanos putting Thor and Captain America in some bind (e.g. exiled to some other existence/reality by themselves) and their solo movies are the story of how they return to Earth to fight in Avengers 3.
unless.... what if Avengers 2 ends with Thanos putting Thor and Captain America in some bind (e.g. exiled to some other existence/reality by themselves) and their solo movies are the story of how they return to Earth to fight in Avengers 3.
4:39PM on 04/29/2013
relic, it would be interesting if he killed cap off, but evans has a six movie deal, much like hemsworth and ruffalo, and sam jackson had the 9 movie deal, not sure about johansson and renner, but its the 6 pic deals that have me wondering, cuz u know there will be a third thor and cap, i could see them being defeated off world, and barely escaping back to earth but closing the portal or whatever so thanos cant follow (right away anyways) Roy im with you, i know we are getting antman and dr
relic, it would be interesting if he killed cap off, but evans has a six movie deal, much like hemsworth and ruffalo, and sam jackson had the 9 movie deal, not sure about johansson and renner, but its the 6 pic deals that have me wondering, cuz u know there will be a third thor and cap, i could see them being defeated off world, and barely escaping back to earth but closing the portal or whatever so thanos cant follow (right away anyways) Roy im with you, i know we are getting antman and dr strange, but i would really love to see them bring in daredevil or do a, black panther movie or heroes for hire and introduce us to more avengers, but theres also hulk getting another movie, and i would love to see a thor with surtur in it....tae k, i think it would work for one, but maybe not both, i think that would make a good cap movie becuz like i said, i really wanna see surtur pop up in the third thor
3:13AM on 04/30/2013
I've seen Iron Man 3 and I don't think we will get an Iron Man 4. Iron Man 2 was both better than Iron Man 2 and a natural continuation of Iron Man 2. And the very end of the movie made me wonder if Tony is even going to be Iron Man again. There are going to be comparisons between Iron Man 3 and the Dark Knight Rises.

EDIT: Without giving away too much, let's say that Tony really goes through a lot in this movie. He prevails in the end but does he want to be Iron Man anymore? Maybe
I've seen Iron Man 3 and I don't think we will get an Iron Man 4. Iron Man 2 was both better than Iron Man 2 and a natural continuation of Iron Man 2. And the very end of the movie made me wonder if Tony is even going to be Iron Man again. There are going to be comparisons between Iron Man 3 and the Dark Knight Rises.

EDIT: Without giving away too much, let's say that Tony really goes through a lot in this movie. He prevails in the end but does he want to be Iron Man anymore? Maybe something bad happens to Rhodey in Avengers 2 that makes Tony want to face Thanos in Avengers 3.
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3:12PM on 04/29/2013

Thank you, Whedon!

I'm so happy Whedon is the godfather for Marvel's projects, it keeps things consistent and it ensures we're not getting endless garbage with half-assed characters. I have a feeling he'll be directing The Avengers 3 too.
I'm so happy Whedon is the godfather for Marvel's projects, it keeps things consistent and it ensures we're not getting endless garbage with half-assed characters. I have a feeling he'll be directing The Avengers 3 too.
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