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04.21.2015

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After checking out the latest ANT-MAN trailer, I was all set to embrace the Peyton Reed film (co-written by star Paul Rudd and Adam McKay), but now here comes Joss Whedon, calling the Edgar Wright penned script "the best script that Marvel had ever had." The AVENGERS: AGE OF ULTRON director shared a few other interesting things while speaking with Buzzfeed, including his issue with serialized storytelling on the big screen.

Joss Whedon on Edgar Wright's ANT-MAN script:

I thought the script was not only the best script that Marvel had ever had, but the most Marvel script I’d read. I had no interest in Ant-Man. [Then] I read the script, and was like, Of course! This is so good! It reminded me of the books when I read them. Irreverent and funny and could make what was small large, and vice versa. I don’t know where things went wrong. But I was very sad. Because I thought, This is a no-brainer. This is Marvel getting it exactly right. Whatever dissonance that came, whatever it was, I don’t understand why it was bigger than a marriage that seemed so right. But I’m not going to say it was definitely all Marvel, or Edgar’s gone mad! I felt like they would complement each other by the ways that they were different. And, uh, somethin’ happened.

I was only joking about being less excited for ANT-MAN now, and I really do think Wright leaving the project was best for both parties. Still, I do hope to one day at least be able to read Wright's script.

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On financial expectations for AVENGERS: AGE OF ULTRON:

The dollars, what’s riding on this, the burden of having done the first one and trying to come up to that level started to freak me out in the way it never has...I feel like I have to make a movie good enough to be the next third-highest-grossing movie of all time. I do feel like if it doesn’t make a certain ridiculous amount of money, I will have failed the people who have faith in me. I’ll fold in on myself.

On the problem with Marvel's connected movie universe:

No matter how much they may talk about, ‘Well, this is going to lead to some terrible stuff down the line,’ in my movie, it’s designed to be a complete experience. And if I don’t do that, if I haven’t brought you on that journey and closed it out, fuck me. That’s the danger of this sort of serialized storytelling, turning the motion picture experience into episodic TV. Because we have episodic TV, and now you don’t even have to wait to watch it, you can binge it. So that’s to me a dreadful mistake.

Sounds to me like Joss Whedon is a little burned out from his time with Marvel, however he still calls it "the best experience I’ll ever have with a studio." What are your thoughts on Whedon's ANT-MAN and Marvel comments?

AVENGERS: AGE OF ULTRON hits theaters May 1, 2015, and ANT-MAN opens on July 17, 2015.

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9:39PM on 04/21/2015

The guy is under a lot of pressure from studios and fans

The guy is just talking about the importance of not getting lost in the serializion of these films. Yes they have to all lead to something down the line but they also have to work on their own because the time it takes between movies is too long for them to work like serialized television. I don't think he is burning any bridges, sometimes business deals fall, and he gets that. I didn't read any negative comments towards Marvel in that interview.
The guy is just talking about the importance of not getting lost in the serializion of these films. Yes they have to all lead to something down the line but they also have to work on their own because the time it takes between movies is too long for them to work like serialized television. I don't think he is burning any bridges, sometimes business deals fall, and he gets that. I didn't read any negative comments towards Marvel in that interview.
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8:53PM on 04/21/2015

The guy is under a lot of pressure from studios and fans

The guy is just talking about the importance of not getting lost in the serializion of these films. Yes they have to all lead to something down the line but they also have to work on their own because the time it takes between movies is too long for them to work like serialized television. I don't think he is burning any bridges, sometimes business deals fall, and he gets that. I didn't read any negative comments towards Marvel in that interview.
The guy is just talking about the importance of not getting lost in the serializion of these films. Yes they have to all lead to something down the line but they also have to work on their own because the time it takes between movies is too long for them to work like serialized television. I don't think he is burning any bridges, sometimes business deals fall, and he gets that. I didn't read any negative comments towards Marvel in that interview.
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8:53PM on 04/21/2015
Making a film as big as this must be seriously exhausting. Accommodating all the characters, pleasing the suits and the fans, fitting into the puzzle of that universe and still make a complete story...All that money riding on your talents. Phew. It must help a lot to be two directors like the Russos or the norwegians doing the new Pirate film. Get a good rest Whedon!
Making a film as big as this must be seriously exhausting. Accommodating all the characters, pleasing the suits and the fans, fitting into the puzzle of that universe and still make a complete story...All that money riding on your talents. Phew. It must help a lot to be two directors like the Russos or the norwegians doing the new Pirate film. Get a good rest Whedon!
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8:50PM on 04/21/2015

Well, forget what I said....

.....about this being the more critically-acclaimed one. The early reviews are pretty consistent and it's coming in a tad lower than Avengers. More importantly, the reviews are pretty consistent that despite it's many positives, this is not as much fun as the first, which I'm guessing will knock down the box office just a bit. Still a very high rating and sounds like a great time. Just don't be surprised if it doesn't make it back to 10-figure range.
.....about this being the more critically-acclaimed one. The early reviews are pretty consistent and it's coming in a tad lower than Avengers. More importantly, the reviews are pretty consistent that despite it's many positives, this is not as much fun as the first, which I'm guessing will knock down the box office just a bit. Still a very high rating and sounds like a great time. Just don't be surprised if it doesn't make it back to 10-figure range.
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8:58PM on 04/21/2015
Another too liberal for you director you are wishing ill? I think you are biasing how you read the reviews. I see a film that is a bit more grown up and has more stakes and is more cinematic, and certainly I see mostly very positive reception.
Another too liberal for you director you are wishing ill? I think you are biasing how you read the reviews. I see a film that is a bit more grown up and has more stakes and is more cinematic, and certainly I see mostly very positive reception.
9:09PM on 04/21/2015
It's several percent lower than the original, and the overall score is lower. That plus almost every review acknowledges the lack of fun or plot gaps. I said it's still sounds like a great time, seriously.....that's not enough faboy for you?

BTW moron, Serenity is my favorite sci-fi movie ever. I don't judge movies based on the politics of the director or actors. I'm not a Liberal.
It's several percent lower than the original, and the overall score is lower. That plus almost every review acknowledges the lack of fun or plot gaps. I said it's still sounds like a great time, seriously.....that's not enough faboy for you?

BTW moron, Serenity is my favorite sci-fi movie ever. I don't judge movies based on the politics of the director or actors. I'm not a Liberal.
12:09AM on 04/22/2015
Yeah, you got no arguments so you insult. And lie. To yourself too probably.
Yeah, you got no arguments so you insult. And lie. To yourself too probably.
5:36AM on 04/22/2015
Most sequels always are below expectation especially with The Avengers, given the reception of it. I would let it deter you & just find out for yourself.
Most sequels always are below expectation especially with The Avengers, given the reception of it. I would let it deter you & just find out for yourself.
5:47AM on 04/22/2015
Scorpio, since the villain for the film was announced, I have said that it would be a different tone for the movie and would not be as financially successful. Then when articles came out about the movie and the scope came out, I acknowledged that it would probably be considered a better film, but that wouldn't lead to higher box office (using Star Wars as the example). My post is pointing out that I was mistaken when I said it would be more critically acclaimed. I still believe it will make
Scorpio, since the villain for the film was announced, I have said that it would be a different tone for the movie and would not be as financially successful. Then when articles came out about the movie and the scope came out, I acknowledged that it would probably be considered a better film, but that wouldn't lead to higher box office (using Star Wars as the example). My post is pointing out that I was mistaken when I said it would be more critically acclaimed. I still believe it will make significantly less money because of the dark plot and the breakup of the group (so less return business from families looking for a fun, uplifting film like the first).

Despite the claims of the idiot who replied to me, I've never said it wasn't good or that it wouldn't be worthy of a viewing. Instead I said it sounds like a "great time" and would make upwards of $800 million. I'm just talking about the hype from people who think this is going to be even more successful than The Avengers.
6:41AM on 04/22/2015
Des1: there, there, it will be alright
Des1: there, there, it will be alright
8:28AM on 04/22/2015
There there, iliterate moron....it'll be all right.

BTW, Avengers.....92%, 8.0 average critic score
Avengers AoU.......86%, 7.4 average critic score.

Arketype......"Wah!!! You read the reviews and stated the facts! You must hate Liberals!!! Wah!"
There there, iliterate moron....it'll be all right.

BTW, Avengers.....92%, 8.0 average critic score
Avengers AoU.......86%, 7.4 average critic score.

Arketype......"Wah!!! You read the reviews and stated the facts! You must hate Liberals!!! Wah!"
8:52AM on 04/22/2015
don't they have any movie news over at fox "news" Des? so you can all agree with each other?
don't they have any movie news over at fox "news" Des? so you can all agree with each other?
8:54AM on 04/22/2015
why you so full of hate and fear anyway?
why you so full of hate and fear anyway?
11:51AM on 04/22/2015
I remember you wishing ill on another director that you also had complaints about.. And then going on and on trying to justify yourself.
I remember you wishing ill on another director that you also had complaints about.. And then going on and on trying to justify yourself.
12:17PM on 04/22/2015
I think you both need to stop crying and grow up. What is name calling and bickering like children going to prove?
I think you both need to stop crying and grow up. What is name calling and bickering like children going to prove?
12:29PM on 04/22/2015
sinister, if we all agreed on everything it would be boring. you joining the fight?
sinister, if we all agreed on everything it would be boring. you joining the fight?
2:41PM on 04/22/2015
I believe there is a difference between difference of opinion vs immature name calling. Apparently some people do not have that distinction
I believe there is a difference between difference of opinion vs immature name calling. Apparently some people do not have that distinction
2:54PM on 04/22/2015
Agreed. We have managed to stay pretty civil before but this time he lost his temper fast.
Agreed. We have managed to stay pretty civil before but this time he lost his temper fast.
8:47PM on 04/21/2015
Whedon always speaks like he is more of a fanboy that got lucky for putting in his 2 cents, he's done alot for the MCU yes, but when he opens his mouth, it's no different than a fanboy on a rant.
Whedon always speaks like he is more of a fanboy that got lucky for putting in his 2 cents, he's done alot for the MCU yes, but when he opens his mouth, it's no different than a fanboy on a rant.
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3:44PM on 04/21/2015
This just makes me more bummed about Edgar Wright leaving Ant Man. I don't really care about the character so he was pretty much the only reason I was interested in seeing it. Maybe one day his final draft will be leaked, but it just won't be the same since so much of his style happens through editing.
This just makes me more bummed about Edgar Wright leaving Ant Man. I don't really care about the character so he was pretty much the only reason I was interested in seeing it. Maybe one day his final draft will be leaked, but it just won't be the same since so much of his style happens through editing.
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8:39PM on 04/21/2015
amen to that
amen to that
3:30PM on 04/21/2015

There was a remark on last week's "Community" that made me think that his second time wasn't as great as his first

I am paraphrasing but it went something like "Marvel Studios isn't going to let Whedom breathe this time". I am pulling for this movie because I thought the first was the perfect summer blockbuster. I am seeing it next Thursday night!
I am paraphrasing but it went something like "Marvel Studios isn't going to let Whedom breathe this time". I am pulling for this movie because I thought the first was the perfect summer blockbuster. I am seeing it next Thursday night!
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1:56PM on 04/21/2015
He's done directing for Marvel so he's being less careful with his words. The guy is exhausted.
He's done directing for Marvel so he's being less careful with his words. The guy is exhausted.
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1:21PM on 04/21/2015

Love Wheddon's Work, But He's Wrong...

...about the episodic nature of the Marvel films. The fact that they all connect in a shared timeline is what allows a Marvel Cinematic Universe to exist and is what made Marvel such a visionary and revolutionary film studio.
...about the episodic nature of the Marvel films. The fact that they all connect in a shared timeline is what allows a Marvel Cinematic Universe to exist and is what made Marvel such a visionary and revolutionary film studio.
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2:35PM on 04/21/2015
Kind of agreed, but for the most part none of the films could be connected and they would still work. Their connection is pretty thin other than Avengers.
Kind of agreed, but for the most part none of the films could be connected and they would still work. Their connection is pretty thin other than Avengers.
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1:09PM on 04/21/2015
Sounds like he's definitely been worn down by the back-to-back Avengers films, so it makes sense that he'd want to tackle some other projects. Hopefully he'll at least continue to advise Marvel on future movies.

Oh, and all these complaints over his Jurassic World tweet? They're getting really old. People are allowed to have different opinions from you. Get over it.
Sounds like he's definitely been worn down by the back-to-back Avengers films, so it makes sense that he'd want to tackle some other projects. Hopefully he'll at least continue to advise Marvel on future movies.

Oh, and all these complaints over his Jurassic World tweet? They're getting really old. People are allowed to have different opinions from you. Get over it.
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1:34PM on 04/21/2015
Someone should tell Whedon that people are allowed to have different opinions than his own, and his complaints about sexism in movies are getting old. He should get over it.
Someone should tell Whedon that people are allowed to have different opinions than his own, and his complaints about sexism in movies are getting old. He should get over it.
5:13PM on 04/21/2015
LOL Preston.....it's so rare we agree. Let me bask in the moment.... ;-)
LOL Preston.....it's so rare we agree. Let me bask in the moment.... ;-)
1:05PM on 04/21/2015
Has he always been so full of himself?
Has he always been so full of himself?
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5:14PM on 04/21/2015
He thinks he's the official representative of women and minorities. Somebody needs to remind him he's a rich white guy.
He thinks he's the official representative of women and minorities. Somebody needs to remind him he's a rich white guy.
12:53PM on 04/21/2015
Obviously there is a lot of pressure trying to follow up a massive hit like Avengers with a sequel that pleases everyone and makes a huge profit. Yet, the Avengers had a slow methodical build up to the film that everyone could not wait for, this one does not. Now we just expect to see them all together or pop up in each others films. So unless this blows peoples minds, which I am hoping, I do not expect it to make as much as the first, but somewhere in the 400 million range is certainly
Obviously there is a lot of pressure trying to follow up a massive hit like Avengers with a sequel that pleases everyone and makes a huge profit. Yet, the Avengers had a slow methodical build up to the film that everyone could not wait for, this one does not. Now we just expect to see them all together or pop up in each others films. So unless this blows peoples minds, which I am hoping, I do not expect it to make as much as the first, but somewhere in the 400 million range is certainly possible and should be seen as a success. However, I could be wrong and it breaks the bank. As for Antman my worries have evaporated after the latest trailer and news about a fight inside a falling briefcase, it now sounds epic on a SMALL scale.
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5:17PM on 04/21/2015
You're low on your number. The film cost over $200 million to make, so will have to earn over $500 million just to break even. The first one made over a billion, so if it's more than a couple hundred million less, people will always see it as a lukewarm success. Then again, nobody remembers the smaller box office of The Empire Strikes Back, They just remember that it was considered a "better" made film. Sometimes we worry about box office too much (yes, including myself).
You're low on your number. The film cost over $200 million to make, so will have to earn over $500 million just to break even. The first one made over a billion, so if it's more than a couple hundred million less, people will always see it as a lukewarm success. Then again, nobody remembers the smaller box office of The Empire Strikes Back, They just remember that it was considered a "better" made film. Sometimes we worry about box office too much (yes, including myself).
11:02PM on 04/21/2015
I think it will go over a billion at the worldwide box office no problem maybe even 2 billion. And thus have no problem making its money back and then some. I was strictly speaking 400 million domestic take is more likely than eclipsing the 623 million the first one made domestically because of the darker Empire Strikes Back tone and the fact that the build up for it is not as intense as the first one. But I could be wrong and maybe it passes the first one and Titanic but it will never top
I think it will go over a billion at the worldwide box office no problem maybe even 2 billion. And thus have no problem making its money back and then some. I was strictly speaking 400 million domestic take is more likely than eclipsing the 623 million the first one made domestically because of the darker Empire Strikes Back tone and the fact that the build up for it is not as intense as the first one. But I could be wrong and maybe it passes the first one and Titanic but it will never top Avatar dollar.
12:30PM on 04/21/2015
This guys such a smug prick. He's always yeah I'm all for women, yet every chance he gets he shows off Scarjo's ass and tits in leather. Hard to take him seriously. Avengers is the first filmof his I liked, so I'm hoping this one is good too, but I'm not exactly sad to see him leave.
This guys such a smug prick. He's always yeah I'm all for women, yet every chance he gets he shows off Scarjo's ass and tits in leather. Hard to take him seriously. Avengers is the first filmof his I liked, so I'm hoping this one is good too, but I'm not exactly sad to see him leave.
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12:32PM on 04/21/2015
don't forget how he had no qualms with starlord using women as sexualized objects and hmmmm is it me or did Malcolm Reynolds constantly degrade Inarra for being a Companion/Escort in Firefly.....and how bout him making Inarra an ESCORT to begin with. I don't have a problem with any of this as it is a story and characters have different backgrounds etc, but he is very hypocritical.
don't forget how he had no qualms with starlord using women as sexualized objects and hmmmm is it me or did Malcolm Reynolds constantly degrade Inarra for being a Companion/Escort in Firefly.....and how bout him making Inarra an ESCORT to begin with. I don't have a problem with any of this as it is a story and characters have different backgrounds etc, but he is very hypocritical.
3:50PM on 04/21/2015
Predictable. Any time a director speaks openly and honestly, there's always some asshole saying he's a smug prick for doing so.
Predictable. Any time a director speaks openly and honestly, there's always some asshole saying he's a smug prick for doing so.
4:00PM on 04/21/2015
Predictable every time someone doesn't worship Whedon and his hypocritical views, someone calls him an asshole.
Predictable every time someone doesn't worship Whedon and his hypocritical views, someone calls him an asshole.
5:18PM on 04/21/2015
Really? You didn't like Serenity? I thought that was a MUCH better film than Avengers (although Avengers was MUCH more fun).
Really? You didn't like Serenity? I thought that was a MUCH better film than Avengers (although Avengers was MUCH more fun).
5:30PM on 04/21/2015
Yeah I honestly didn't dig Serenity, but to each their own. I agree with the Avengers being very fun though.
Yeah I honestly didn't dig Serenity, but to each their own. I agree with the Avengers being very fun though.
11:53AM on 04/21/2015
I think he may be losing himself a little bit. I don't want to hear about how he's worried how much money it will make. I want him to say "I've made the best movie I can make and I hope it does just as well as the last one with audiences." I'd rather him make an excellent movie and be proud of it regardless of the box office success.
I think he may be losing himself a little bit. I don't want to hear about how he's worried how much money it will make. I want him to say "I've made the best movie I can make and I hope it does just as well as the last one with audiences." I'd rather him make an excellent movie and be proud of it regardless of the box office success.
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11:35AM on 04/21/2015
What a tool! This guy will be able to do whatever he wants for the rest of his life because of Marvel. And now that he did his thing he's going to bash them.
What a tool! This guy will be able to do whatever he wants for the rest of his life because of Marvel. And now that he did his thing he's going to bash them.
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11:43AM on 04/21/2015
Doesn't sound like he's bashing them to me. Sounds like he's being regular glib Whedon.
Doesn't sound like he's bashing them to me. Sounds like he's being regular glib Whedon.
11:35AM on 04/21/2015
What a tool! This guy will be able to do whatever he wants for the rest of his life because of Marvel. And now that he did his thing he's going to bash them.
What a tool! This guy will be able to do whatever he wants for the rest of his life because of Marvel. And now that he did his thing he's going to bash them.
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11:26AM on 04/21/2015
I'll admit that once Edgar Wright left, I was skeptical and worried that the movie would be terrible. But after the latest trailer, all doubt is gone and it looks like a hell of a lot of fun.

I like how it's giving off a vibe and sense of the first Iron Man film (which is one of the more Marvel films I watch repeatedly than the others).
I'll admit that once Edgar Wright left, I was skeptical and worried that the movie would be terrible. But after the latest trailer, all doubt is gone and it looks like a hell of a lot of fun.

I like how it's giving off a vibe and sense of the first Iron Man film (which is one of the more Marvel films I watch repeatedly than the others).
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10:51AM on 04/21/2015
"...if I havent brought you on that journey and closed it out, fuck me."
This is why I love the man; so brutally honest about his vision and how much he owes fans for a quality movie that can stand alone without being a part of a larger story.
"...if I havent brought you on that journey and closed it out, fuck me."
This is why I love the man; so brutally honest about his vision and how much he owes fans for a quality movie that can stand alone without being a part of a larger story.
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10:49AM on 04/21/2015
Edgar Wright really did seem like his own personal style and Marvel's personal style would complement each other.
Edgar Wright really did seem like his own personal style and Marvel's personal style would complement each other.
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10:48AM on 04/21/2015
It is clear Joss is giving 100% to this and is feeling pressure. But overall he knows there is a huge fan base that has absolute confidence in him and his product. When it starts getting down to just numbers I can see why he is starting to go off the rails a bit. He should relax, this film will make a healthy profit one way or another. The hard work is over for now.
It is clear Joss is giving 100% to this and is feeling pressure. But overall he knows there is a huge fan base that has absolute confidence in him and his product. When it starts getting down to just numbers I can see why he is starting to go off the rails a bit. He should relax, this film will make a healthy profit one way or another. The hard work is over for now.
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10:37AM on 04/21/2015

The again this is the same guy.....

.....that just got through accusing Jurassic World of being "sexist" because it showed a woman CEO as uptight, so Joss isn't exactly right about everything in life. I think he's going to be disappointed about the box office on this one. You just have to look at Star Wars/Empire Strikes Back to see what happens when a fun fantasy-adventure movie is followed by a more complicated, darker, more critically acclaimed one. It will probably be a much better technical film, but not the kind of thing
.....that just got through accusing Jurassic World of being "sexist" because it showed a woman CEO as uptight, so Joss isn't exactly right about everything in life. I think he's going to be disappointed about the box office on this one. You just have to look at Star Wars/Empire Strikes Back to see what happens when a fun fantasy-adventure movie is followed by a more complicated, darker, more critically acclaimed one. It will probably be a much better technical film, but not the kind of thing parents will bring their little kids to over and over like the last one. Probably be a rousing success in the $800-$900 million range.
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11:45AM on 04/21/2015
He called one clip sexist not the whole movie. Jesus.
He called one clip sexist not the whole movie. Jesus.
12:05PM on 04/21/2015
No, he said that the CHARACTER Howard is portraying is sexist writing. He said it based on the clip, but nowhere did he say that only the clip was sexist.

Then he apologized for doing so (because virtually everyone said he was an idiot), then he backed it up by saying it was still sexist, he just shouldn't have said it that way.

No, he said that the CHARACTER Howard is portraying is sexist writing. He said it based on the clip, but nowhere did he say that only the clip was sexist.

Then he apologized for doing so (because virtually everyone said he was an idiot), then he backed it up by saying it was still sexist, he just shouldn't have said it that way.

1:27PM on 04/21/2015
“… and I’m too busy wishing this clip wasn’t 70’s era sexist,” directly from his tweet. He also apologized the next freaking day and said his tweet was bad form.
“… and I’m too busy wishing this clip wasn’t 70’s era sexist,” directly from his tweet. He also apologized the next freaking day and said his tweet was bad form.
5:21PM on 04/21/2015
Yes, he apologized for publicly calling out the director (and actors, who willingly played "sexist" parts), then said he still thought it was sexist, but that he should have said it privately at a party instead.

Doesn't make him any smarter, it just means he was sorry for publicly smearing a film that hasn't been released yet
Yes, he apologized for publicly calling out the director (and actors, who willingly played "sexist" parts), then said he still thought it was sexist, but that he should have said it privately at a party instead.

Doesn't make him any smarter, it just means he was sorry for publicly smearing a film that hasn't been released yet
10:31AM on 04/21/2015
Whedon's hankering for a backlash, between his comments on sexism via the Jurassic World clip and these comments about Wright and Marvel and Ant-Man...Sounds like he no longer cares about burning bridges. He probably made $20 million or more off the Avengers 1, and will make that amount or more again off Avengers 2. He has his nut. He'll go back to his own Whedon-verses and become a niche producer again.
Whedon's hankering for a backlash, between his comments on sexism via the Jurassic World clip and these comments about Wright and Marvel and Ant-Man...Sounds like he no longer cares about burning bridges. He probably made $20 million or more off the Avengers 1, and will make that amount or more again off Avengers 2. He has his nut. He'll go back to his own Whedon-verses and become a niche producer again.
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10:28AM on 04/21/2015
"Still, I do hope to one day at least be able to read Wright's script."

the movie you are getting is basically that. they've tweaked it here and there to make it fit into the MCU which is why Edgar was dropped. He refused to tweak his script to fit into the MCU and wanted it to be its own standalone movie that was outside the MCU.
"Still, I do hope to one day at least be able to read Wright's script."

the movie you are getting is basically that. they've tweaked it here and there to make it fit into the MCU which is why Edgar was dropped. He refused to tweak his script to fit into the MCU and wanted it to be its own standalone movie that was outside the MCU.
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10:48AM on 04/21/2015
Not trying to challenge you, but do you know that for a fact or is that a rumour that's been around for a while that people are accepting as fact.

Because if it's true, then shame on Edgar Wright. At the time Marvel greenlit the Ant-Man movie, he knew what he was getting himself into. He was joining one of the biggest franchises in cinema and would need to have it connected to that overall franchise in some capacity.
Not trying to challenge you, but do you know that for a fact or is that a rumour that's been around for a while that people are accepting as fact.

Because if it's true, then shame on Edgar Wright. At the time Marvel greenlit the Ant-Man movie, he knew what he was getting himself into. He was joining one of the biggest franchises in cinema and would need to have it connected to that overall franchise in some capacity.
10:49AM on 04/21/2015
That's what I thought. I mean that Thomas the Tank Engine scene...that's surely something Wright would have come up with.
That's what I thought. I mean that Thomas the Tank Engine scene...that's surely something Wright would have come up with.
11:09AM on 04/21/2015
well apparently it is the fact. I cant say that 100% but from what has been officially reported, Edgar Wright didn't want it in the MCU and wanted it as its own separate entity (sometimes its easy to agree to something and then try to challenge it later down the line when you have a bit more clout). As well as the interviews with the new writers who stated they kept the story and script mostly the same but had to alter some stuff to accommodate it into the MCU.
well apparently it is the fact. I cant say that 100% but from what has been officially reported, Edgar Wright didn't want it in the MCU and wanted it as its own separate entity (sometimes its easy to agree to something and then try to challenge it later down the line when you have a bit more clout). As well as the interviews with the new writers who stated they kept the story and script mostly the same but had to alter some stuff to accommodate it into the MCU.
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