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Joss Whedon's guiding star for Avengers: Age of Ultron is Godfather II

Jan. 24, 2014by: Niki Stephens

The GODFATHER resurgence is here. The franchise directed by Francis Ford Coppola is a classic for many, and a playbook for some. James Cameron recently said that the AVATAR quad would be Godfather-esque. Now Joss Whedon has title dropped the film as a source of constant inspiration for THE AVENGERS: AGE OF ULTRON.

During an interview with French film site AlloCin.fr, the director was asked what the effects would be on the superhero ensemble sequel after the release of CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE WINTER SOLDIER:

"The events of Captain America [The Winter Soldier] will definitely affect the world of Avengers 2. But at the end of the day, I have to make my movie assuming that people will only have seen the first one, or possibly not even seen the first one. I can't assume that everybody went to see Thor [The Dark World], Captain America, and Iron Man 3 in-between. I have to go from one movie to the next and be true to what's happened [in the previous movies], but not be slavish to it. [...] The model I'm always trying to build from, or my guiding star, is The Godfather: Part II where a ton has happened in-between and it's a very different movie [from Part I], but you don't need any information. It's there in the film about what's happened since, what's different, and why is this a different film; why is it a different kind of structure, and why is it darker. It's all there, you're in the vernacular of the first movie and you're just ready to pick up in this new place, and hopefully that's what will happen with my movie. Obviously I'm talking about one of the greatest films ever made (The Godfather: Part II)... I hope mine will be good, but that is my guiding star.

With sequelitis looming, its certainly not a bad star to follow. We knew the tone of the film would be darker but still retain the humor that kept the action-heavy film lightweight. While Whedon has never had to deal with blockbuster sequels, he has maintained popular television shows over the years, so I think hes got it in the bag. Heres hoping

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11:57AM on 01/27/2014

Too bad he will not have an Empire Strikes Back ending in his sequels

The last director to reference their sequel to The Godfather Part II was Todd Philips to "The Hangover Part II", exclaiming that one day people will see "The Hangover Part II" for it's brilliance. Seriously, he was not joking. Enough with the "Godfather Part II" is my guide, it's a Marvel superhero film!
Well one thing is for sure, "The Avengers 2" will not have an "Empire Strikes Back" ending. Why? Cause Whedon hated the ending to "The Empire Strikes Back". One of the greatest ending lead
The last director to reference their sequel to The Godfather Part II was Todd Philips to "The Hangover Part II", exclaiming that one day people will see "The Hangover Part II" for it's brilliance. Seriously, he was not joking. Enough with the "Godfather Part II" is my guide, it's a Marvel superhero film!
Well one thing is for sure, "The Avengers 2" will not have an "Empire Strikes Back" ending. Why? Cause Whedon hated the ending to "The Empire Strikes Back". One of the greatest ending lead ups to a finale ever.
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12:08PM on 01/26/2014
I think he'll choke. It's to much for him as proven by his comment.
I think he'll choke. It's to much for him as proven by his comment.
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7:18AM on 01/26/2014

Can't fault him.

Maybe we'll get flashbacks to a young Ultron, running around the streets, getting into shenanigans, murdering people. You know, youthful japes.
Maybe we'll get flashbacks to a young Ultron, running around the streets, getting into shenanigans, murdering people. You know, youthful japes.
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11:13PM on 01/25/2014

ultron corleone

somebody gonna die!
somebody gonna die!
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10:42AM on 01/25/2014

NIce, but

not sure what I can make of this comment. It's nice to be inspired by the best and I'm sure A2 is going to be great, but we'll see. At least, Whedon is shooting to make the seminal comic book sequel of all time.
not sure what I can make of this comment. It's nice to be inspired by the best and I'm sure A2 is going to be great, but we'll see. At least, Whedon is shooting to make the seminal comic book sequel of all time.
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7:35AM on 01/25/2014
So he is using The Godfather 2 as a model because a lot of stuff happened between Avengers and Avengers 2? Just like almost every single movie sequel. Wow, well I guess "Godfather 2" + "The Avengers" makes for a good headline!
So he is using The Godfather 2 as a model because a lot of stuff happened between Avengers and Avengers 2? Just like almost every single movie sequel. Wow, well I guess "Godfather 2" + "The Avengers" makes for a good headline!
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10:45AM on 01/25/2014
Nice avatar by the way. Just classic.
Nice avatar by the way. Just classic.
5:48AM on 01/25/2014

I think I've also read...

... Bryan Singer talking about "Days of Future Past" as The Godfather 2 of X-men movies... it gets thrown a lot these days...
... Bryan Singer talking about "Days of Future Past" as The Godfather 2 of X-men movies... it gets thrown a lot these days...
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5:48PM on 01/25/2014
So it's been thrown around twice you're saying lol
So it's been thrown around twice you're saying lol
11:59AM on 01/27/2014
So did Todd Philips with "The Hangover Part II". Seriously!
So did Todd Philips with "The Hangover Part II". Seriously!
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1:01AM on 01/25/2014
Ultron looks sick! Can't wait to see him on screen whupping ass!
Ultron looks sick! Can't wait to see him on screen whupping ass!
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10:24PM on 01/24/2014

A possibly better guiding star would be Empire Strikes Back

Unless he intends on making the next Avengers over three hours, I think he should have compared what he wants to do with Empire Strikes Back which retained the continuation of A New Hope, went darker, but still maintained a similar tone to the previous entry. Either way, he has a lot of expectations to live up to.
Unless he intends on making the next Avengers over three hours, I think he should have compared what he wants to do with Empire Strikes Back which retained the continuation of A New Hope, went darker, but still maintained a similar tone to the previous entry. Either way, he has a lot of expectations to live up to.
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11:01PM on 01/24/2014
Whedon claims to not be a big fan of Empire, so I don't see him doing that.
Whedon claims to not be a big fan of Empire, so I don't see him doing that.
12:24PM on 01/28/2014
Joss Whedon, said he is not only a fan of Empire, but he hated the ending. He explained he is not a fan of endings where the story comes to a halt without an ending where everything is wrapped up, and where you must wait for the next film to pick up where the story left off. Films like, The Empire Strikes Back, The Fellowship of the Ring, and The Two Towers.
Whedon is talented but overrated on so many levels.
Joss Whedon, said he is not only a fan of Empire, but he hated the ending. He explained he is not a fan of endings where the story comes to a halt without an ending where everything is wrapped up, and where you must wait for the next film to pick up where the story left off. Films like, The Empire Strikes Back, The Fellowship of the Ring, and The Two Towers.
Whedon is talented but overrated on so many levels.
10:00PM on 01/24/2014

Sigh

This is Marvel AND Joss Whedon treating their audience like theyre idiots.
This is Marvel AND Joss Whedon treating their audience like theyre idiots.
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10:41PM on 01/24/2014
How? The man is speaking like he is trying to make a film whether you seen the first or not. Even though its the third largest grossing film, doesn't mean everyone seen it. So the man is talking like he wants to make a film that doesn't need the first film to get it, unlike the Lord of the Rings films where it made better sense to understand what was going on. Sounds like a Nolan rider in the mix. Maybe not true but maybe enough to get you talking back. I like debates.
How? The man is speaking like he is trying to make a film whether you seen the first or not. Even though its the third largest grossing film, doesn't mean everyone seen it. So the man is talking like he wants to make a film that doesn't need the first film to get it, unlike the Lord of the Rings films where it made better sense to understand what was going on. Sounds like a Nolan rider in the mix. Maybe not true but maybe enough to get you talking back. I like debates.
9:24PM on 01/24/2014
I just hope we actually get to see Captain America actually lead The Avengers this time around instead of being the guy who doesn't understand any of the jokes.
I just hope we actually get to see Captain America actually lead The Avengers this time around instead of being the guy who doesn't understand any of the jokes.
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12:10AM on 01/25/2014
Hey, at least he understood the "Wizard of Oz" reference!
Hey, at least he understood the "Wizard of Oz" reference!
12:39AM on 01/25/2014
Yeah. That part was funny and I know he is a man out of time, but I thought the movie made him seem too dumb at times. But I'm sure Winter Soldier will do a good job of Captain coming to terms with modern times.
Yeah. That part was funny and I know he is a man out of time, but I thought the movie made him seem too dumb at times. But I'm sure Winter Soldier will do a good job of Captain coming to terms with modern times.
9:36PM on 01/25/2014
Wasn't so much they made him dumb, it was more like Tony Stark and his superiority complex looking down on him. Even then, by the end of the movie he ends up earning Tony's respect.
Wasn't so much they made him dumb, it was more like Tony Stark and his superiority complex looking down on him. Even then, by the end of the movie he ends up earning Tony's respect.
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8:33PM on 01/24/2014

In Joss Whedon I trust, Jedd Whedon not so much.

Joss is an an all-star, he knocked the first one out of the park, and I have every reason to believe he'll do the same thing with the sequel. I'm just glad that kid brother of his that screwed up SHIELD isn't involved in this.
Joss is an an all-star, he knocked the first one out of the park, and I have every reason to believe he'll do the same thing with the sequel. I'm just glad that kid brother of his that screwed up SHIELD isn't involved in this.
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8:20PM on 01/24/2014
This interview really pissed me off. He's making avengers 2 assuming no one has seen anything after avengers 1?? Are you fucking kidding me? Having all the movies connect to one another is the best thing marvel has going right now. And if someone hasn't seen the last few movies, then too bad, go get the DVDs. What an idiotic thing to say.
This interview really pissed me off. He's making avengers 2 assuming no one has seen anything after avengers 1?? Are you fucking kidding me? Having all the movies connect to one another is the best thing marvel has going right now. And if someone hasn't seen the last few movies, then too bad, go get the DVDs. What an idiotic thing to say.
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8:31PM on 01/24/2014
Dude, they said (and did) the exact same thing with the first Avengers. The film worked without requiring you to have seen any of the prior films, yet at the same time still followed the continuity that they had established. He's pretty much just saying they'll do the same thing with the sequel, which is right on the money.
Dude, they said (and did) the exact same thing with the first Avengers. The film worked without requiring you to have seen any of the prior films, yet at the same time still followed the continuity that they had established. He's pretty much just saying they'll do the same thing with the sequel, which is right on the money.
8:44PM on 01/24/2014
Like Stan Lee said, write every comic as if it is someone's first comic, because it is.

He isn't ignoring what happened in other movies, he just isn't writing it in a way that the audience would be lost if they haven't seen those other movies. All of the Marvel movies have pretty much been like this.
Like Stan Lee said, write every comic as if it is someone's first comic, because it is.

He isn't ignoring what happened in other movies, he just isn't writing it in a way that the audience would be lost if they haven't seen those other movies. All of the Marvel movies have pretty much been like this.
10:43PM on 01/24/2014
See my comments with The_Conman above. :)
See my comments with The_Conman above. :)
8:05PM on 01/24/2014
Sounds good to me, but Christ, I can see the comic boards lighting up because of this. Comic fans love their exposition
Sounds good to me, but Christ, I can see the comic boards lighting up because of this. Comic fans love their exposition
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7:41PM on 01/24/2014
If DC wasn't the competition, I'm sure he would have said The Dark Knight was his guide. I get what he is saying, though, and I trust Whedon. With all the phase 2 films getting new directors for the solo films, it is nice to see at least one director returning to enhance the continuity of these films.
If DC wasn't the competition, I'm sure he would have said The Dark Knight was his guide. I get what he is saying, though, and I trust Whedon. With all the phase 2 films getting new directors for the solo films, it is nice to see at least one director returning to enhance the continuity of these films.
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