Juno? No, I don't... | Movie News
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It's highly possible that when all is said and done, JUNO will be one of the most financially successfully indie movies of all time. It's got a 93% positive rating at Rotten Tomatoes and our own reviewer gave it a 9.5/10. It will surely receive Oscar nominations for its script, it's actress and possible for itself. And at the end of the day, I can't figure out what the hell I'm missing.
Before you ask, I'm not a victim of overhype backlash. I was lucky (??) enough to see JUNO before the hype machine kicked into overdrive so all I had heard was some relatively positive feedback from people I knew who had seen it. I even sought out local press screenings, which I never do. Leading up to the screening, however, I began to get a sinking feeling I wasn't going to enjoy the movie.
There are some movies you know you're going to love. Like TRANSFORMERS. I mean it's completely ridiculous, riddled with plot holes and full of hammy acting. But c'mon! It's giant, fighting robots! That's why I went to see it and that's why I liked it. Then there are some movies you just know you're not going to like. JUNO was shaping up to be one of those movies. Just the clips and commercials alone had me skeptical. Like that scene where Juno refers to Michael Cera's new girlfriend as Soupy Sales. Maybe I'm waaay out of touch with 16-year-olds but does Soupy Sales have a big following among high school juniors? Philo Kvetch references are the norm? (I'm 30 and even I had to Google that...)
Sure enough after about 15 minutes, I almost walked out and I never walk out of a movie. But I stuck through it for reasons I'm still not sure. "Maybe all the funny parts are towards the end," I told myself. Not quite. I couldn't help but think throughout the entire affair that if the script stopped trying so hard to be clever, it would be SO much better off. Why must the wisecracks come at such a rapid fire pace? JUNO doesn't have a bad script, it just has an overwritten one.
I've heard people say JUNO is a "hilarious comedy" but I can count the amount of times I laughed exactly once. (For the record it was Jason Bateman's reaction after he asks whether she's named after the town in Alaska.) And I never heard audible laughter once in the entire theater I was in watching it.
But seriously...this is what passes for funny? Saying words like "gob" and drinking gallons of Sunny Delight and using "Phuket, Thailand" as an expletive? "Honest to blog"? That's funny? OMG, she's calling on a hamburger phone!! LOLZ!!!
The good news is that I don't seem to be alone with my opinion. Just look at these quotes from reviews:
JUNO is "so heavy...with self-conscious cleverness" - Variety"I’d spent the first 15 minutes or so gnashing my teeth and checking my watch." - The New York Times
"Juno is not a great movie." - Time Magazine
See! I feel vindicated. Wait, JoBlo is handing me a note. What?! These quotes are actually from positive reviews? Yup, it turns out that people who liked the movie agree with me. So why do people like it so much?
My disclaimer to the above is that I believe that almost everyone involved with this film is extremely talented. I was singing the praises of Ellen Page back in HARD CANDY days and this movie only furthers the genius of Cera and Jason Bateman. And while everyone is talking Page for an Oscar, the real performance in this movie is Jennifer Garner is the chilly soon-to-be adoptive mother. There's a Best Supporting Actress candidate right there.
Not since the LORD OF THE RINGS trilogy have I felt so woefully out of the collective consciousness. But I don't have very exotic tastes and I tend to skew pretty mainstream so I have a hard time believing I'm the only one out there who is mystified by the success of JUNO.
So let's open up a debate. Not a flaming e-mail/post match because that will do nothing but make me cry. I'm talking about a healthy discourse on the merits of JUNO. Those who love it and those who hate it share your reasons below. Maybe we can get to the bottom of this mystery.
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I kinda' liked Juno because I see so many of these "indie" flicks that, when it...
I kinda' liked Juno because I see so many of these "indie" flicks that, when it comes down to it, are so full of pretention and smack of effort that when Juno actually entertained me, at least to some degree, I didn't leave the theater with a bad taste in my mouth (I'm looking at you Dan In Real Life).
Maybe the reason these types of films get so praised is because the average person doesn't go seeking films outside of the standard Hollywood type. So, when this comes along they simply praise its difference.
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But have no fear, there's still hope for the little guys like Juno.
...yay?
I'm still not even sure if I want to see this.
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Rob and Beth weren't together, hence she didn't cheat on him. They slept together one time.
Rob and Beth weren't together, hence she didn't cheat on him. They slept together one time.
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I liked this movie up until the divorce talk. Seriously, what the hell is up with this constant character flaw? I am so tired of seeing broken marraiges, divorce, one dead parent, or anything involving a story where someone is unhappy with their spouse or boy/girl friend.
It seems like...
I liked this movie up until the divorce talk. Seriously, what the hell is up with this constant character flaw? I am so tired of seeing broken marraiges, divorce, one dead parent, or anything involving a story where someone is unhappy with their spouse or boy/girl friend.
It seems like that is the only way to make a character broken nowadays.
SPOILER:
Heck even in Cloverfield, the main character's girlfriend cheated on him.
WHY???
Anybody else feel this way, good for you...in my book, but if you don't well then you are more forgiving of overused plotlines.
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I pretty much hated this flick, because my main complaint isn't merely the "hip" dialog that comes across as shitty....
It's because Juno is a fucking conceited and obnoxious bitch. She's a spoiled brat. That made me hate her quite a fucking lot.
I pretty much hated this flick, because my main complaint isn't merely the "hip" dialog that comes across as shitty....
It's because Juno is a fucking conceited and obnoxious bitch. She's a spoiled brat. That made me hate her quite a fucking lot.
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I know it sounds vain and egotistical but it happened with one of my best friends. He recommended 'Pulp Fiction' to me, lent me the DVD and the second I watched it and said I loved it, his exact reply was "It's ok, it wasn't that good". It's just disheartening that this happens so often especially now since I really did like 'Juno' and that same friend who pulled the switch on me about 'Pulp Fiction' liked 'Juno' as well so I was just happy that we actually agreed on this movie. But then, like clockwork, even though the guy who reviewed the movie on this site liked it too and I pretty much went to see the movie based on his review, someone who's opinion I actually respect doesn't like the movie. Hell, I liked 'Transformers' too so it's not like our tastes are so different. Oh well, it's just a movie. Rock on, sir.
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Anyhow, earlier this very day I wrote in these forums that I felt the film was terribly overwritten, and Juno herself is arrogant and desperately up-herself. However, the story...
Anyhow, earlier this very day I wrote in these forums that I felt the film was terribly overwritten, and Juno herself is arrogant and desperately up-herself. However, the story and the acting individually do not suffer from this, neither does Reitman's direction.
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But hey, it's a movie and movies don't always have to be realistic. The movie doesn't suck. It's sweet in its own right. Changing the script would not make it better, it would make it into another movie. It would probably turn into something like Knocked Up (which I personally didn't like, but ask me about that later).
The fact that other people loved this movie and I didn't pissed me off for a couple of days. But then I said to myself, so what if I didn't LOVE the movie? I didn't HATE it either. I'm kinda in the gray area about this one. And I'll leave it at that.
This reminds me of a joke that Woody Allen told at the end of Annie Hall. "This guy goes to a psychiatrist and says, "Doc, my brother's crazy; he thinks he's a chicken." And the doctor says, "Well, why don't you turn him in?" The guy says, "I would, but I need the eggs." I guess I would like to bash Juno for its all-too-clever script but then again, I liked how it dared to be original. So you can't have one without the other.
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There is hope! There. is.. hope...
*a tear of joy*
There is hope! There. is.. hope...
*a tear of joy*
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JoBlo.com offers opinions AND even asks that you all contribute your opinions as well, but give us a break with all...
JoBlo.com offers opinions AND even asks that you all contribute your opinions as well, but give us a break with all the "What is this...this isn't a new item" posts, for fuck's sakes, guys...
What are your thoughts on JUNO is the question. The floor is open.
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You hated it? No problem. That's your opinion, and I respect that. Just next time, trying posting something like this in, oh I don't know, a FORUM.
That being said--kudos for acknowledging Jennifer Garner's performance. Definitely an underrated showing if you ask me.
You hated it? No problem. That's your opinion, and I respect that. Just next time, trying posting something like this in, oh I don't know, a FORUM.
That being said--kudos for acknowledging Jennifer Garner's performance. Definitely an underrated showing if you ask me.
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i think i made a similar, yet much more brief comment along these lines a few days ago. overwritten is the key word as far as this movie goes.
the characters don't have normal dialogue in this movie - they have idealized dialogue. their quips and clever comebacks are the kind of thing we might think of after a...
i think i made a similar, yet much more brief comment along these lines a few days ago. overwritten is the key word as far as this movie goes.
the characters don't have normal dialogue in this movie - they have idealized dialogue. their quips and clever comebacks are the kind of thing we might think of after a conversation is over, and then wish could go back and say.
i'm surmising that the writers for this movie probably collected a bunch of cool or witty comments from their lives that they never actually had a chance to say, and decided to populate a movie script with them. a nice idea, but it doesn't make for a believable movie.
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Also if you notice not everyone talks like this. Michael Cera's character never used any of the strange dialect found throughout the movie. Also I think that Rainn Wilson's character was just making fun of Juno.
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Personally, I really enjoyed Juno a lot. I thought...
Personally, I really enjoyed Juno a lot. I thought it was a very good movie and it's going to make my top 10 list for sure. I can see what you mean about the dialogue but different movies have different styles and I thought Juno had a charming and different feel to it that comes from the dialogue. And taking that away would've taken away a lot of its uniqueness as a film. There's plenty of films out there that deal with these issues in a more straightforward dramatic way so I mean, I think Juno stands out by doing it differently. And yes, a lot of it did make me laugh. But I mean, it's hard for me to debate this cause you don't have much more information...you seem to hate on the dialogue but what about the story? I thought it was a poignant and honest look at teen pregnancy there...and you said yourself, the performances are excellent. Unlike Little Miss Sunshine last year, even though these characters speak quirky dialogue, I felt like they could be real people and not constructs - they have enough depth in this film to flesh them out even if they all speak the same kind of odd lingo. If the dialogue is the only thing you really hate on and that's enough for you to hate the entire movie, then I mean, there's really not much debating that can go on. You either like the dialogue or you don't. Matter of personal preference...ie: I fucking hate Napoleon Dynamite. I think that has the lamest dialogue ever and I didn't laugh once in the first 50 minutes (forced to watch it in drama class and we never finished it and I never intend to).
That said, you said your theatre didn't break out laughing. Well I saw it at the Toronto International Film Fest and it KILLED the audience. People were dying of fits of laughter throughout the film and it got a standing ovation at the end. So maybe you were seeing it with the wrong audience (I remember seeing Talladega Nights in theatres and there were a ton more laughs at the Borat preview before...there were maybe a few chuckles in the entire film and it pretty much dragged that film down for me).
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For the record, I liked No Country, but Juno felt way more heartfelt and sincere and just wanted the audience to have a fun time. No Country wants to...
For the record, I liked No Country, but Juno felt way more heartfelt and sincere and just wanted the audience to have a fun time. No Country wants to frustrate and confuse you, so you'll mistake what is an otherwise B-movie plot for an arthouse film. In my opinion, that movie tries way too hard to appeal to snobs. Javier Bardem gave a good performance, but his character is nothing more than a terminator or Jaws, no depth at all.
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Sigh.
Sigh.
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2) The other acting. Every single supporting actor gave amazing performances. Every one of...
2) The other acting. Every single supporting actor gave amazing performances. Every one of them.
3) The script. People are saying it's too "quirky" or whatever, but I thought the writing was excellent, from the story to the dialogue, I just loved everything about it. Everybody has a different sense of humor though, and I'm extremely hard to please when it comes to comedies. For instance, another recent pregnancy comedy, Knocked Up, didn't make me laugh at all. I hated it, but I know a lot of people loved it. Now, when I saw Juno I laughed constantly through the entire movie. The whole theater was laughing too, it was a very fun moviegoing experience. The humor just really worked for me and Ellen Page in particular really nailed the jokes. Is the dialogue too clever and unrealistic? I thought it worked and didn't scrutinize it the same way I wouldn't question the dialogue in an episode of Seinfeld or Veronica Mars. I didn't care whether or not someone would actually say this stuff, but I loved what was coming out of their mouths and the delivery, especially Ellen Page's, really sold it.
And let's not forget the serious parts of this movie. I dug the dramatic scenes as well and found several parts to be very moving. Juno's conversation with her dad, the part where she expresses her feelings to Michael Cera's character, Jennifer Garner's final scene, all that stuff was extremely well done.
4) The soundtrack. These songs were all great and fit the movie perfectly. I definitely want to buy this soundtrack.
5) The directing and cinematography. Thought both were perfect and did the material and the actors justice by being just as excellent.
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The biggest issue here was some of the lingo used. It's like the puzzling slang in "Brick" only closer probably to how kids actually talk. Having said that, Cody's script overdoes it a bit.
I'm not...
The biggest issue here was some of the lingo used. It's like the puzzling slang in "Brick" only closer probably to how kids actually talk. Having said that, Cody's script overdoes it a bit.
I'm not mystified that people like this movie. I'm just surprised to what extent they like it. It may be good, but it ain't no first- or second-place in the movies of 2007.
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Every "quirky" phrase, every "wacky" [link] Awful.
Remember when you watched cool little movies like Lost In Translation or Rushmore or Napoleon Dynamite, movies that were...
Every "quirky" phrase, every "wacky" [link] Awful.
Remember when you watched cool little movies like Lost In Translation or Rushmore or Napoleon Dynamite, movies that were quirky because they didn't try to be. These movies had great characters that were brought to life by great actors who were able to put their own spin on the dialouge.
Juno never afforded its actors the oppurtunity because every actor was written in the pretentious, trying-too-hard voice of the screenwriter.
I get that your "out of place/diamond in the rough" main character is different, but is it neccessary to have her like only the coolest quirky bands like The Melvins and Mott the Hoople?!? Seriously, Mott the F**king Hoople?!?
Oh, and the scene that put the nail in the coffin for me...Juno walks in to the kitchem to find her father...a heating and air-conditioning repair man who named his daughters Juno and Liberty Bell...he takes one look at her and says, and I quote "Hey there larger than life version of my eldest daughter, why so morose?"
Morose? F**king morose? Who uses the word morose? Seriously? It was too much, too prtentious, too self-aware.
Oh yeah, and the choice of finding the "quirkiest" little independent songs from around the globe. Hey, I'm a girl with a guitar who can write 3 chord songs that don't rhyme! Awesome! Now go sing your songs in front of a bus, thanks.
I can honestly say that despite its incredible cast (Jason Bateman, you are a gift from God), this movie was one of the worst experiences I have even had...EVER...and I saw Jeepers Creepers 2 and Dude, Where's my Car in the same day.
Hopefully this movie will be snubbed at the Oscars just like it was at the Golden Globes and then it will be forgotten and hopefully then all the copies of it will be put in that smae gigantic warehouse at the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark and then all the overly self-important film geeks will remember that No Country for Old Men, The Orphanange, There Will Be Blood and Once also came out last year and they can go back to discussing those films loudly at Starbucks instead of the this piece of sh*t.
In the end, and I know this is an easy joke, but I think that this little pregnancy flick should've been aborted.
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But you know what? Who really cares? So a few of the lines in the movie are a little too quirky. The thing is, the script pretty much earns it...
But you know what? Who really cares? So a few of the lines in the movie are a little too quirky. The thing is, the script pretty much earns it because most of it comes organically out of who Juno is - a very intelligent 16-year-old girl who still isn't nearly as intelligent as she thinks she is. The story is very sweet and takes us to surprising places - Jason Bateman's entire plotline I didn't see coming at all, and he's brilliant in it. And for every groaner of a line, there are three more that are perfect. "I try really hard, actually."
Two more notes: (1) I wish people would stop comparing this to Napoleon Dynamite. ND was a story-less piece of dog crap. (2) No one was laughing in the theater you saw it in? Really? I've seen it twice in theaters - once in NYC and once in rural Pennsylvania - and both times the audience ate it up.
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second: very true.
i squirmed for the first half hour or so of juno and thought of leaving. i only THOUGHT of leaving & didn't actually follow through because i had the misfortune of going to the film with friends & thusly, was in it for the long haul. when the lights came up we...
second: very true.
i squirmed for the first half hour or so of juno and thought of leaving. i only THOUGHT of leaving & didn't actually follow through because i had the misfortune of going to the film with friends & thusly, was in it for the long haul. when the lights came up we discussed our thoughts on the film and found that we had all wanted to leave within the first half hour. in its defense, the film did settle into a nice little groove after that and the prospect of staying became less of a daunting task, but the baffling problem remains that this undeserving film is getting outrageous heaps of praise left & right. ebert just named it his favorite film of 2007. seriously, ebert?? i honestly saw no more worth in juno than i did in napoloeon dynamite or superbad. fun, funny & off-kilter comedies, true, but best film of the year / oscar-worthy? maybe in a year where there weren't many notable films coming out, but not a chance in 2007. juno = no country for old men? juno = zodiac? sweeney todd? hell, juno = knocked up? no, no, no, a thousand times no.
the most obnoxious part that stayed with me after the lights came up was the image of a williamsburg-style hipster chick sitting at her computer, typing away & thinking about how clever what she just wrote was while i watched the film - authentic character development / interaction be damned! (i should note that this is the same way i feel whenever i watch kevin smith's films - smith just typing away, incredibly pleased with himself) "it's about a taboo topic! i'll just throw in some hipster slang, reference obscure pop culture and show off my knowledge of old punk / garage bands and this thing will practically write itself! hehehe... sonic youth is tame compared to iggy & the stooges - classic! now for the big scene decisions: should i have juno mouthing her sherlock holmes pipe while saying this or talking on her *giggle* burger phone? maybe i could have some more unbearably cutesy moldy peaches songs playing in the background while she's talking on her burger phone! in a recliner on someones front lawn while drinking sunny delight!! that's it! i've struck COMEDIC / DRAMATIC GOLD!!"
phew. sorry about that. just had to vent a little.
finally, anyone else bummed to see jason reitman go down the "napoleon dynamite" route and shamelessly ape wes anderson's style on this one? his direction for "thank you for smoking" was confident & bettered the already hilarious script. why did he drop that & decide to emulate (i.e. rip off) anderson for "juno"? pressure from "hipster chick writer"?
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Also, you start the article stating you liked Transformers, one of the worst movies of the year. I can't believe movie sites still sing it's praise... It's absolutely ridiculous. Of course, this site was kissing it's ass five minutes after the teaser hit the net.
Catiness aside, I really do get some of your criticism, the overly clever dialogue did sometimes get to me. And I especially get your first fifteen minutes, because I was thinking the same thing, not that I should walk out but rather that it was feeling a bit like a more skillfully made Napoleon Dynamite (Another film I feel is absolutely terrible) but once Juno starts to get into her pregnancy, all the superficial childishness of the film really slides away as Juno herself begins to mature. Sure, Juno herself is still really clever, but that's sort of the point. This isn't the "typical teenager that everyone could relate to gets knocked up and reacts how everyone would" it's the story of this one, kinda kooky fucked up funny girl and how she reacts to it.
All in all, I disagree greatly, but I think it's cool you wrote something against the grain... I just think maybe there were other movies that should have had this treatment (Namely, Transformers, Lord of The Rings) but then the backlash would just be too much.
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The audience I watched it with seemed to be laughing quite a bit. And we...
The audience I watched it with seemed to be laughing quite a bit. And we all recognized the talent. What it really comes down to is that Sideways wasn't as good as the critics made it out to be, neither was Little Miss Sunshine. But when there are so few comedies on the awards watch radar these days we all need one we can root for. This year that comedy will have to be Juno.
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Why is this an article? Why not a review? The article reads like an excerpt from Mike Sampson's personal diary. Or rather, one of the 5,000,000,000 posts on any internet movie message board.
I've read JoBlo's edict about the purpose of this site and...
Why is this an article? Why not a review? The article reads like an excerpt from Mike Sampson's personal diary. Or rather, one of the 5,000,000,000 posts on any internet movie message board.
I've read JoBlo's edict about the purpose of this site and the opinions inherent in every article, but those opinions usually tend to accompany some small shred of news.
EDIT: I should also note that my opinion of the article is most likely biased seeing as how any article that includes the phrase, "There are some movies you know you're going to love. Like TRANSFORMERS," immediately throws up a red flag for me.
I suppose we can agree to disagree.
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The movie didn't go above or beyond what I thought it was going to be and that was fine in my bood. The only true complain I have with this movie is ELLEN PAGE. Whoever wrote the script wrote Page's character to be way too sarcastic and...
The movie didn't go above or beyond what I thought it was going to be and that was fine in my bood. The only true complain I have with this movie is ELLEN PAGE. Whoever wrote the script wrote Page's character to be way too sarcastic and obnoxious. I can handle a snarky teenager in a comedy, but they way they wrote her character was almost like they were trying to justify her immaturity as being mature.
Overall Juno was a pleasant film to watch and I will probably rent it when it comes out for another viewing; but I'm telling you right now this film is not Oscar worthy, the actors are and that's about it....minus Page.
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I also like to point out to people that the only character in the movie...
I also like to point out to people that the only character in the movie who ISN'T given snappy one liners and made overly clever is Jennifer Garner's character of the yearning to be a mom but barren working woman. What statement this is trying to make is fairly obvious.
I don't agree with the hype. There are a lot of problems. But sometimes a movie can have value without being a masterpiece. Not all food is steak. Doesn't mean a hamburger (phone, ha! Couldn't resist) won't do the job of filling your stomach.
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