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McFarlane talks Venom

08.06.2008

Though Sony is hot to spin SPIDER-MAN 3 villain Venom off into his own movie, Venom creator Todd McFarlane isn't so hot on the idea (UPDATE - a few readers have written it to clarify that McFarlane is credited as co-creating Venom with writer David Michelinie). Speaking to Newsarama, McFarlane says that making movies where the villain is the lead character isn't smar. "Those don't work. The reason they're so cool as a bad guy is because they're bad. And as soon as you try to give too much humanity to them, then you go, 'NO!'" McFarlane cites the infamous Halle Berry CATWOMAN as an example of how trying to spinoff a villain into a hero can result in a disaster. He also says that any new cinematic incarnation of Venom should have more of "a creep factor" than the Topher Grace version. The proposed VENOM movie might not ever happen and McFarlane isn't sure if it ever can. "I don't know if you can have a movie about a guy who goes out there and maims everybody and wins all the time." Good point and considering the dude created Venom, he should know a little bit about it. Do you think VENOM is a good idea? I was all pumped up to see the character in SPIDER-MAN 3 but was colossally let down when I saw the final product.

Extra Tidbit: When McFarlane created Venom he had no idea there would be a human inside the suit.
Source: Newsarama

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12:23PM on 08/07/2008
It may not get made, but having the villain lead is not impossible; anybody ever watch Dexter? You're feelings are always split; do you like the serial killer because he kills other serial killers, or do you hate him because no matter what the cause, it's wrong? Venom's the same; he turned "good" in his own maniacal sense...
It may not get made, but having the villain lead is not impossible; anybody ever watch Dexter? You're feelings are always split; do you like the serial killer because he kills other serial killers, or do you hate him because no matter what the cause, it's wrong? Venom's the same; he turned "good" in his own maniacal sense...
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8:49PM on 08/06/2008
The only way I could see it working is if there are two of them; the normal villain we know and then maybe a secondary one coming from the same place hunting him down. You could delve into a back story of their existence then and learn that not their entire race is maniacal as him. But that is so similar to other stories it would probably suck anyway.
The only way I could see it working is if there are two of them; the normal villain we know and then maybe a secondary one coming from the same place hunting him down. You could delve into a back story of their existence then and learn that not their entire race is maniacal as him. But that is so similar to other stories it would probably suck anyway.
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8:21PM on 08/06/2008
sadly i am not liking this idea. unfortunately the best they can do is hand the spider-man franchise to someone else and pray it doesn't suck... which it will.


or just wait 10-15 years and restart the franchise. and i'm not really one for that either. batman, so far, has been the only restarted franchise that was better than the original.
sadly i am not liking this idea. unfortunately the best they can do is hand the spider-man franchise to someone else and pray it doesn't suck... which it will.


or just wait 10-15 years and restart the franchise. and i'm not really one for that either. batman, so far, has been the only restarted franchise that was better than the original.
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3:00PM on 08/06/2008

Venom NO WAY!

I don't think they should make a venom spin-off I to agree with McFarlane he is a bad guy and that the best part about the villains in comic books.
I don't think they should make a venom spin-off I to agree with McFarlane he is a bad guy and that the best part about the villains in comic books.
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2:45PM on 08/06/2008
What aspect of Venom is McFarlane responsible for creating, exactly?
What aspect of Venom is McFarlane responsible for creating, exactly?
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2:36PM on 08/06/2008

No Venom.

Venom is cool. But he is a villian. They had to make him like the Punisher for it to work. That'd be lame.
Venom is cool. But he is a villian. They had to make him like the Punisher for it to work. That'd be lame.
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1:54PM on 08/06/2008
Three words....

This will suck........balls
Three words....

This will suck........balls
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1:39PM on 08/06/2008

Leave it alone

#1 fire Topher Grace, that was embarrassing. #2 McFarlane is spot on, the studios would ruin the character. The Catwoman analogy doesnt work on me because she never really seemed like a bad guy. Last time I checked, Spidey never dated Venom. #3 find another Spidey, and make the movie right.

Spiderman 3 sucked.
#1 fire Topher Grace, that was embarrassing. #2 McFarlane is spot on, the studios would ruin the character. The Catwoman analogy doesnt work on me because she never really seemed like a bad guy. Last time I checked, Spidey never dated Venom. #3 find another Spidey, and make the movie right.

Spiderman 3 sucked.
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12:28PM on 08/06/2008
Spider-man 3 was pretty cool
Spider-man 3 was pretty cool
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12:27PM on 08/06/2008
agree with McFarlane. Frankly, it wouldn't get made anyway. Same reason why From Hell had to be changed so much from the graphic novel. Hollywood simply WON'T make big movies from the killer or bad guys point of view, Monster being the only exception. but i guess to have it from the villains pov in hollywood, it's got to be based on a true story.
agree with McFarlane. Frankly, it wouldn't get made anyway. Same reason why From Hell had to be changed so much from the graphic novel. Hollywood simply WON'T make big movies from the killer or bad guys point of view, Monster being the only exception. but i guess to have it from the villains pov in hollywood, it's got to be based on a true story.
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12:15PM on 08/06/2008

terrible

I'll admit, there were few points in life more disappointing than sitting in that damn IMAX theater for as long as I did BEFORE Spidey 3 started at midnight, and got that sh*tstorm of a movie. Personally, they should have cast someone else as venom, and the only Venom we should have seen in that movie was at the clocktower...yeah, I know it would have been a massive c*cktease, but atleast he would have been set up for his own Spidey movie and not rushed into this one. I actually wouldn't be
I'll admit, there were few points in life more disappointing than sitting in that damn IMAX theater for as long as I did BEFORE Spidey 3 started at midnight, and got that sh*tstorm of a movie. Personally, they should have cast someone else as venom, and the only Venom we should have seen in that movie was at the clocktower...yeah, I know it would have been a massive c*cktease, but atleast he would have been set up for his own Spidey movie and not rushed into this one. I actually wouldn't be totally against the idea if they used Venom in a different movie, like spidey 4, with a new actor and just pretended that number 3 never happened...thats what I like to do! And on topic, a Venom movie where he's a good guy can't work, like MacFarlane said...but a Thunderbolts movie...hmmm
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12:06PM on 08/06/2008
McFarlane is pretty much dead on. And plus, this movie is pretty much damage control for all the fans who were clamoring for Venom in SM3. Marvel and Sony royally fucked up with Venom and now they're trying to say sorry. Too little too late fellas, this movie idea is just throwing Venom under a bus now.
McFarlane is pretty much dead on. And plus, this movie is pretty much damage control for all the fans who were clamoring for Venom in SM3. Marvel and Sony royally fucked up with Venom and now they're trying to say sorry. Too little too late fellas, this movie idea is just throwing Venom under a bus now.
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11:51AM on 08/06/2008

Macfarlane is a joke

He's basing his thoughts off when he wrote him,which is FAR different than after he got shitcanned.
He's basing his thoughts off when he wrote him,which is FAR different than after he got shitcanned.
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11:47AM on 08/06/2008
maybe when they start redoing the Spider-Man series in 20 years they can get venom right. unlikely, but hopeful.
maybe when they start redoing the Spider-Man series in 20 years they can get venom right. unlikely, but hopeful.
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11:36AM on 08/06/2008
May or may not work. But I am for Stand alone movies. Do films in a franchise really have to always connect to each other? Like if Spidey 4 was just its own self contained story with a whole new cast and different director. I'd be cool with it. As long as it's good.
May or may not work. But I am for Stand alone movies. Do films in a franchise really have to always connect to each other? Like if Spidey 4 was just its own self contained story with a whole new cast and different director. I'd be cool with it. As long as it's good.
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11:29AM on 08/06/2008
Venom in Spider-Man 3 is the perfect example of fanboy wishes, paired with studio greed, destroying an otherwise decent idea.
It should have been clear to everyone that Venom's origin is far to complex to fit into one film. Especially in a franchise that took three films to deal with Harry Osbourne's (equally complex) transformation into the second Green Goblin.
Venom in Spider-Man 3 is the perfect example of fanboy wishes, paired with studio greed, destroying an otherwise decent idea.
It should have been clear to everyone that Venom's origin is far to complex to fit into one film. Especially in a franchise that took three films to deal with Harry Osbourne's (equally complex) transformation into the second Green Goblin.
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11:21AM on 08/06/2008
Topher looks like a pimp in that picture. I wasn't so much disappointed with the way venom looked in Spiderman 3, as I was with the lack of screen time he got.
Topher looks like a pimp in that picture. I wasn't so much disappointed with the way venom looked in Spiderman 3, as I was with the lack of screen time he got.
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11:12AM on 08/06/2008

No Venom

I agree, I don't see any way they could make it work, and ESPECIALLY not with Topher. I don't have a problem with Topher as an actor, but I never thought it was a good idea having him cast in order to mirror Peter Parker like that. Spidey 3 was just not good, and it was because Eddie Brock and Venom were thrown in and handled so half-assedly. [Not a real word, by the way.]

Topher wasn't a good choice for Eddie Brock, and Venom just failed to impress. He wasn't done right, so we didn't
I agree, I don't see any way they could make it work, and ESPECIALLY not with Topher. I don't have a problem with Topher as an actor, but I never thought it was a good idea having him cast in order to mirror Peter Parker like that. Spidey 3 was just not good, and it was because Eddie Brock and Venom were thrown in and handled so half-assedly. [Not a real word, by the way.]

Topher wasn't a good choice for Eddie Brock, and Venom just failed to impress. He wasn't done right, so we didn't REALLY see Venom in Spidey 3 anyway! So basically... Spin WHAT off?
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10:51AM on 08/06/2008
As much as I'd like to see some justice done for the character on screen, I'm pretty sure Sony will f*ck it up this time as well. Venom's on-screen incarnation has been damaged to a huge extent, and it's gonna' take a lotta' hard work and a lotta' explanin' to patch things up with the fans. Unless Sony finds some way to do that, I don't think we need to see Venom on screen any time soon.
As much as I'd like to see some justice done for the character on screen, I'm pretty sure Sony will f*ck it up this time as well. Venom's on-screen incarnation has been damaged to a huge extent, and it's gonna' take a lotta' hard work and a lotta' explanin' to patch things up with the fans. Unless Sony finds some way to do that, I don't think we need to see Venom on screen any time soon.
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10:38AM on 08/06/2008

It sucked because...

Venom in "Spider-Man 3" only sucked because all we saw was Topher Grace...not Venom himself. By using Topher too much, the creepiness and fear that Venom uses was gone.
Venom in "Spider-Man 3" only sucked because all we saw was Topher Grace...not Venom himself. By using Topher too much, the creepiness and fear that Venom uses was gone.
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10:38AM on 08/06/2008
I totally agree with Spoonard. The only way to pull this off would be to do something like the maximum carnage series, but I'd hate for someone to screw that up as well.

Todd McFarlane knows his shit, not just on Venom because he created him but in general. For example, he understood how crappy the Spawn movie was(this broke my heart indefinitely).
I totally agree with Spoonard. The only way to pull this off would be to do something like the maximum carnage series, but I'd hate for someone to screw that up as well.

Todd McFarlane knows his shit, not just on Venom because he created him but in general. For example, he understood how crappy the Spawn movie was(this broke my heart indefinitely).
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10:23AM on 08/06/2008

Venom Movie

I agree, a Venom movie is not a good idea. The Eddie Brock Venom can't really go anywhere beyond a "Revenge on Spider-Man" plot anyway. I suppose they could do an entire trilogy based on the Maximum Carnage series though. WHat do ya suppose the budget on that would be? lol
I agree, a Venom movie is not a good idea. The Eddie Brock Venom can't really go anywhere beyond a "Revenge on Spider-Man" plot anyway. I suppose they could do an entire trilogy based on the Maximum Carnage series though. WHat do ya suppose the budget on that would be? lol
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