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Michael B. Jordan comments on casting criticism of his Fantastic Four role

Mar. 6, 2014by: Paul Shirey

Much has been made about the casting of Michael B. Jordan as Johnny Storm in THE FANTASTIC FOUR, let alone the casting of the other three. However, the issue of race has been a big part of the controversy, as the original incarnation of Johnny Storm in the comics is caucasion. The debate has raged in many a forum and comments section since the announcement was made and now we have word from Jordan himself, speaking to Cinefilos (original video below), who brings his perspective on the backlash and how he is dealing with it.

It was expected. You kinda know going into it that people are used to seeing something one way, it's a continuity thing more than anything. People don't like change too much. But annoyed? Eh, you just kinda accept it, it is what it is. You can't make everybody happy. You just gotta accept that and know. I'm an actor, I have to do my job. I'm going to do my job the best I can and the way I've been doing it my entire life, my entire career. I grew up a comic book guy, I read comic books as a kid growing up, and the Fantastic Four/Human Torch is one of my favorite characters so I'm going to give it my everything. I can't wait. I don't really let it bother me at all. I just want to go into it and do the best job I can. We'll see what happens."

Jordan went on to discuss his feelings on the character of Johnny Storm/The Human Torch and how he will tackle the role, saying:

"The Human Torch is, 'yknow, that's fun. That's going to be a good time...To play a superhero? That's dreams coming true. It's not going to be hard. It's going to be fun to kind of show a side of me that I don't really get to show on screen, to be a little bit lighter, funnier, just more personality. It's going to be fun."

While I respect the canon of the majority of comics properties in their original form, I think there's some wiggle room, especially if you get an actor that can really bring something to the role, regardless of race. Jordan is a talent on the rise and I think it's great that he's getting a role that could help bring his skills to the masses. Any way you slice it, THE FANTASTIC FOUR is probably the MOST fiercely debated (hated?) comic-book films on the horizon and that comes almost completely from casting (minus the usual stones tossed at Fox). Strangely, it's made me more excited for the film, which I was ho-hum on to begin with.

Josh Trank's THE FANTASTIC FOUR hits theaters on June 19, 2015.

Extra Tidbit: Is it mainly the casting that bothers you about The Fantastic Four reboot or is there more to it than that?

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10:46AM on 03/25/2014
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6:56PM on 03/11/2014
I'm sorry, but as a young African American man, I'm offended by the amount of hate this casting has received. Why can't Johnny Storm be African American? Michael B. Jordan being black doesn't change who Johnny Storm is as a character. You guys should be upset about the fact that they didn't cast an African American actress as Sue Storm.
I'm sorry, but as a young African American man, I'm offended by the amount of hate this casting has received. Why can't Johnny Storm be African American? Michael B. Jordan being black doesn't change who Johnny Storm is as a character. You guys should be upset about the fact that they didn't cast an African American actress as Sue Storm.
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4:38PM on 03/08/2014
I wonder did Jessica Alba get all this backlash when she was cast as Sue Storm? (All I remember hearing was how hot she was).
I wonder did Jessica Alba get all this backlash when she was cast as Sue Storm? (All I remember hearing was how hot she was).
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10:16AM on 03/07/2014
I know the race thing is an issue, but you kind of have to take this case by case. Do you make Captain America black, or do you make Superman Chinese, or what about making the Falcon a Native instead of black - I mean where is the line drawn? I don't much care if Johnny is black or white really, but when you know it's going to cause problems with fans why not just make him what he is in the comics. I would only change the race of a character if I really wanted to make a statement with my film
I know the race thing is an issue, but you kind of have to take this case by case. Do you make Captain America black, or do you make Superman Chinese, or what about making the Falcon a Native instead of black - I mean where is the line drawn? I don't much care if Johnny is black or white really, but when you know it's going to cause problems with fans why not just make him what he is in the comics. I would only change the race of a character if I really wanted to make a statement with my film and I don't think that is what is happening in FF. Anyway, this movie has bigger problems than the race of Johnny Storm.
PS - Nick Fury got a race change - I don't remember too many people being upset by it. Also what about gender changing - but ill leave that for another day.
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4:16AM on 03/07/2014
Claiming himself to be a comic book fan and yet the role anyways. Yep, money talks.
Claiming himself to be a comic book fan and yet the role anyways. Yep, money talks.
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11:28AM on 03/07/2014
Maybe he's not under the impression that his blackness will fuck the movie, and that he'll do a great job. Naw, this guys got no integrity. He just wants that $$$.
Maybe he's not under the impression that his blackness will fuck the movie, and that he'll do a great job. Naw, this guys got no integrity. He just wants that $$$.
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11:55PM on 03/06/2014

IF they wanted this to be taken "seriously"...

...they would have cast him as the SMART one and not as the goof-off/ irresponsible one--but thats a first reaction...who knows how this will turn out. Im not sure Im sold on ANY of the casting, really--but theres nothing to do except wait and see. Hopefully the creative team have something solid-- it's their job to sell it to us, so time will tell.
...they would have cast him as the SMART one and not as the goof-off/ irresponsible one--but thats a first reaction...who knows how this will turn out. Im not sure Im sold on ANY of the casting, really--but theres nothing to do except wait and see. Hopefully the creative team have something solid-- it's their job to sell it to us, so time will tell.
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3:49AM on 03/07/2014
Come to think of it, why not go all the way and make him a black Mr. Fantastic? Oh right, because a black secondary character would get butts into seats, but a black lead character would be a box office suicide.
Come to think of it, why not go all the way and make him a black Mr. Fantastic? Oh right, because a black secondary character would get butts into seats, but a black lead character would be a box office suicide.
10:50PM on 03/06/2014
Staying true to the source material, no matter how inconsequential the details may seem to me, is something you can defend. The people who don't mind straying from the source material but think if Johnny's black Sue should also be black are just showing their complete lack of imagination.
Staying true to the source material, no matter how inconsequential the details may seem to me, is something you can defend. The people who don't mind straying from the source material but think if Johnny's black Sue should also be black are just showing their complete lack of imagination.
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9:06PM on 03/06/2014

I'm okay with it as long as...

...they also make Sue African-American. Unless they change it to where Johnny was adopted, or not related to Sue at all, then it won't matter to me either way--as long as the story's good.
...they also make Sue African-American. Unless they change it to where Johnny was adopted, or not related to Sue at all, then it won't matter to me either way--as long as the story's good.
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1:21AM on 03/07/2014
My thoughts exactly.
My thoughts exactly.
8:33PM on 03/06/2014

He's black because of Chris Evans

That's ok, he's only going to be on the screen until he says flame on. Then he's cgi.
That's ok, he's only going to be on the screen until he says flame on. Then he's cgi.
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8:14PM on 03/06/2014
I'm sorry, Mr. Jordan, but if you grow up with the comics, read and breath the comics, you will realize this casting is bad.
I'm sorry, Mr. Jordan, but if you grow up with the comics, read and breath the comics, you will realize this casting is bad.
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8:00PM on 03/06/2014
It just feels like a change for the sake of a change. Honestly, I'm more bothered by the casting of Miles Teller as Mr. Fantastic. Mr. Fantastic is kinda supposed to be the team dad.
It just feels like a change for the sake of a change. Honestly, I'm more bothered by the casting of Miles Teller as Mr. Fantastic. Mr. Fantastic is kinda supposed to be the team dad.
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7:34PM on 03/06/2014
Changing a character's ethnicity is like that Roland Emmerich Godzilla movie. Some may like it, some may not, but most will agree that it's not Godzilla.
Changing a character's ethnicity is like that Roland Emmerich Godzilla movie. Some may like it, some may not, but most will agree that it's not Godzilla.
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6:07PM on 03/06/2014
And people say the devil is lie...
And people say the devil is lie...
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5:44PM on 03/06/2014

I don't really mind the casting, for the most part...

All of the talent is there. Jordan was fantastic in Fruitvale Station, and I think he's definitely one to keep an eye on. The same is true for Teller, whose indie work really impresses, and Jamie Bell is a very solid actor, although a bit small to be playing The Thing... Mara is probably the weakest link, but that's mostly due to the fact that her roles don't demand much from her. Even in a show like House of Cards, I think she played it as well as anybody would, there just isn't too
All of the talent is there. Jordan was fantastic in Fruitvale Station, and I think he's definitely one to keep an eye on. The same is true for Teller, whose indie work really impresses, and Jamie Bell is a very solid actor, although a bit small to be playing The Thing... Mara is probably the weakest link, but that's mostly due to the fact that her roles don't demand much from her. Even in a show like House of Cards, I think she played it as well as anybody would, there just isn't too complexity in her character... I don't even mind that the brother and sister are different races. Nobody seemed to mind this much when Alba and Evans were cast as siblings, and she's of mixed races, while Evans is Caucasian... If anything, I just don't trust Fox to handle their Marvel properties. They've fumbled most attempts to adapt these films, and when they finally do have a successful series, they keep messing with a proven formula until they run it into the ground. I enjoyed what Trank did with Chronicle, and hope he has a good grasp on this, but it's all a coin flip at this point.
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5:27PM on 03/06/2014
If he was such a "comic book guy", he'd have more respect for the source material. That's all I have to say. You see, when you change a comic book character's race, you do it the right way. Like the new take on Spider-Man. That's how you do it. You retire or kill off the original first or set it in an alternate reality/universe. In my mind, this FF takes place on a different Earth where Johnny Storm was black. That's how I'm coping with it.
If he was such a "comic book guy", he'd have more respect for the source material. That's all I have to say. You see, when you change a comic book character's race, you do it the right way. Like the new take on Spider-Man. That's how you do it. You retire or kill off the original first or set it in an alternate reality/universe. In my mind, this FF takes place on a different Earth where Johnny Storm was black. That's how I'm coping with it.
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5:07PM on 03/06/2014
I'm hoping race isn't the only thing that defines a comic book character; if he matches the essence of the character or will bring something to the role, really low on the list. Bigger issue is good script/story, good direction, good acting (which he can clearly bring), etc.
I'm hoping race isn't the only thing that defines a comic book character; if he matches the essence of the character or will bring something to the role, really low on the list. Bigger issue is good script/story, good direction, good acting (which he can clearly bring), etc.
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4:25PM on 03/06/2014
At the end of the day, all that really matters is that he dyes his hair blond and wears blue contact lenses.
At the end of the day, all that really matters is that he dyes his hair blond and wears blue contact lenses.
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3:55PM on 03/06/2014

"You can't make everybody happy"

False. You cast a dude that looks like the character.
False. You cast a dude that looks like the character.
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3:39PM on 03/06/2014
There's really nothing racially specific about the character. But I agree that they should have made his sister African American as well, in order to keep the storyline simple.

Does anyone really want inter-racial drama in their Fantastic Four movie?
There's really nothing racially specific about the character. But I agree that they should have made his sister African American as well, in order to keep the storyline simple.

Does anyone really want inter-racial drama in their Fantastic Four movie?
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3:44PM on 03/06/2014
I just can't see how that would work in a Fantastic Four film.
I just can't see how that would work in a Fantastic Four film.
6:31PM on 03/06/2014
Why would it be drama? It would just be how their family is made up.
Why would it be drama? It would just be how their family is made up.
3:19PM on 03/06/2014
I have a strong feeling that this film is going to bomb so bad at the box office Fox will try to dump the FF property. Maybe it'll go to Sony or back to Marvel.
I have a strong feeling that this film is going to bomb so bad at the box office Fox will try to dump the FF property. Maybe it'll go to Sony or back to Marvel.
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3:13PM on 03/06/2014
People who get upset about this stuff don't even read comics.
People who get upset about this stuff don't even read comics.
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5:06PM on 03/06/2014
Your right,we dont read comics and know about the characters......like when Wolverine "sliced" the Things face and he wore a mask for awhile in the 90's or that Sue and Namor had a thing from time to time or when Johnny Storm died or got his but kicked by a bunch of regular people after right before the SHR Act was passed or the original Human Toach was actually a Android or.....
Your right,we dont read comics and know about the characters......like when Wolverine "sliced" the Things face and he wore a mask for awhile in the 90's or that Sue and Namor had a thing from time to time or when Johnny Storm died or got his but kicked by a bunch of regular people after right before the SHR Act was passed or the original Human Toach was actually a Android or.....
4:14AM on 03/07/2014
By your comment, I would say you don't either.
By your comment, I would say you don't either.
3:10PM on 03/06/2014
I have no bad feelings for Mr Jordan. I wish him well. But this whole reboot of the Fantastic Four has been awkward to say the least. Until a trailer is seen, I don't think fans are feeling real good about the project. With the negative buzz it is getting, its prospects are dim. There will need to be a HUGE PR and advertising push for this film to make money.
I have no bad feelings for Mr Jordan. I wish him well. But this whole reboot of the Fantastic Four has been awkward to say the least. Until a trailer is seen, I don't think fans are feeling real good about the project. With the negative buzz it is getting, its prospects are dim. There will need to be a HUGE PR and advertising push for this film to make money.
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2:49PM on 03/06/2014

Marvel

Casting is one thing, but I just really hate this these properties aren't controlled by Marvel (studio). The Fantastic Four aren't the most exciting group in and of themselves, but they bring a lot to the overall comic universe. Galactus, for one thing. Namor (is he FF?) But really, I hate they we miss out on some really great team-ups and character interactions. Who doesn't want to see Thing and the Hulk go at it, Johnny Storm joking around with Peter Parker and Bobby Drake, Reed Richards,
Casting is one thing, but I just really hate this these properties aren't controlled by Marvel (studio). The Fantastic Four aren't the most exciting group in and of themselves, but they bring a lot to the overall comic universe. Galactus, for one thing. Namor (is he FF?) But really, I hate they we miss out on some really great team-ups and character interactions. Who doesn't want to see Thing and the Hulk go at it, Johnny Storm joking around with Peter Parker and Bobby Drake, Reed Richards, Tony Stark, Bruce Banner, and Peter Parker trying to "science" something out to say the day? Don't get me started on the X-men. Logan and Tony Stark banter is always hilarious.

Plus, Thanos and the Infinity Gauntlet - that comic has literally everyone. I mean everyone! Like, manifestations of time and space and fate and shit come out to deal with an omnipotent Thanos, in addition to pretty much anyone super hero you can name off the top of your head. This is later, [link] but you kind of have to get everyone under one roof first...
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2:47PM on 03/06/2014

I know I'll get down-voted...

...but the truth is I just don't like when a different race or gender is cast as a character that people have always associated with a specific race or gender. For example, I like Laurence Fishburne but he's not Perry White. Perry White is an old white guy. Then they took out Jimmy Olsen and replaced him with a girl. Maybe she's his sister and he'll eventually appear but now we have Superman movies without a Jimmy Olsen, it's just stupid. I honestly don't care about the new Fantastic Four
...but the truth is I just don't like when a different race or gender is cast as a character that people have always associated with a specific race or gender. For example, I like Laurence Fishburne but he's not Perry White. Perry White is an old white guy. Then they took out Jimmy Olsen and replaced him with a girl. Maybe she's his sister and he'll eventually appear but now we have Superman movies without a Jimmy Olsen, it's just stupid. I honestly don't care about the new Fantastic Four movie but the fact that they cast a black actor is just gimmicky. They seriously couldn't find a white actor to play the part? Really? It even bothered me that they cast a redhead as Lois Lane because Lois Lane is a brunette, plain and simple.

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3:59PM on 03/06/2014
Im upvoting you.
Im upvoting you.
4:19PM on 03/06/2014
Epic!
Epic!
2:43PM on 03/06/2014

Don't pull the race card

This is not about him being black, its about the character being so far from the comics. He is supposed to be Sue's brother. So now they are obviously adopted or she will be his mother or something really dumb. They are messing with the characters too much, making horrible casting choices. This movie is going to suck because of the horrible script, poor acting abilities and a director that sucks so much donkey dick he doesn't have time to put everything he has into this movie. It will be as
This is not about him being black, its about the character being so far from the comics. He is supposed to be Sue's brother. So now they are obviously adopted or she will be his mother or something really dumb. They are messing with the characters too much, making horrible casting choices. This movie is going to suck because of the horrible script, poor acting abilities and a director that sucks so much donkey dick he doesn't have time to put everything he has into this movie. It will be as bad, if not worse than that silver surfer crap.
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3:16PM on 03/06/2014
I kinda agree with you on the re-imagining of the characters. Characters get the re-boot all the time. Spider-Man is a classic example. His origin story is re-told and the character is slightly different. But Johnny Storm is 25% of the FF and to change his story by casting is opening a can of worms that doesn't jive with the FF story. It feels like they are f***ing with us. It is less about race and more about destroying the canon the whole thing is based upon. That is what has fans
I kinda agree with you on the re-imagining of the characters. Characters get the re-boot all the time. Spider-Man is a classic example. His origin story is re-told and the character is slightly different. But Johnny Storm is 25% of the FF and to change his story by casting is opening a can of worms that doesn't jive with the FF story. It feels like they are f***ing with us. It is less about race and more about destroying the canon the whole thing is based upon. That is what has fans upset. And the gimmick is also offensive because now fans FEEL like racists because their gut is telling them the casting is wrong. Know your audience FOX.
3:31PM on 03/06/2014
Is there really that a huge difference between being adopted or being someone's blood brother/sister? Your going to let that completely destroy your experience with this film before you've seen anything from it? I mean you sound ridiculous.

You sound like the same small-minded individuals who thought The Dark Knight was going to suck because The Joker had scarring around the mouth and painted his face with clown makeup. And did that movie suck? And to say the acting ability of Michael B.
Is there really that a huge difference between being adopted or being someone's blood brother/sister? Your going to let that completely destroy your experience with this film before you've seen anything from it? I mean you sound ridiculous.

You sound like the same small-minded individuals who thought The Dark Knight was going to suck because The Joker had scarring around the mouth and painted his face with clown makeup. And did that movie suck? And to say the acting ability of Michael B. Jordan is poor just reinforces the notion that you have no idea to what your talking about.
2:32PM on 03/06/2014

Not about his color...

If they change the nacionality, the gender, that messes with the origin, i mean if you like The fantastic 4 why change them? So,make Mr. Fantastic asian...turn Dr Doom into a woman...you know i am black, and i hate the lack of black characters/heroes and most women must feel the same way,but try to write and create news characters and not violate the existing ones, for example the other Green Lantern, John Stewart is black, Luke Cage too, but some people want Dwayne Johnson in the part and i
If they change the nacionality, the gender, that messes with the origin, i mean if you like The fantastic 4 why change them? So,make Mr. Fantastic asian...turn Dr Doom into a woman...you know i am black, and i hate the lack of black characters/heroes and most women must feel the same way,but try to write and create news characters and not violate the existing ones, for example the other Green Lantern, John Stewart is black, Luke Cage too, but some people want Dwayne Johnson in the part and i love him, but he is not black, why not be faithfull to the source material.
P.s: I'm brazilian, sorry for my english (or the lack of)
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4:01PM on 03/06/2014
Thankyou Phultra exactly what I said in another posting.
Thankyou Phultra exactly what I said in another posting.
7:25PM on 03/06/2014
Actually, Dwayne Johnson has a Samoan mother and a black father. So that still count as being black, I guess.
Actually, Dwayne Johnson has a Samoan mother and a black father. So that still count as being black, I guess.
8:15PM on 03/06/2014
I love your comment, Mr. Phultra.
I love your comment, Mr. Phultra.
11:54AM on 03/08/2014
Thanks Netforce!
Thanks Netforce!
2:23PM on 03/06/2014
Don't care much for the fantastic four but at least he is a good actor...
Don't care much for the fantastic four but at least he is a good actor...
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2:21PM on 03/06/2014
If the script is good, I'm sure Jordan will knock it - the role - out of the park...
If the script is good, I'm sure Jordan will knock it - the role - out of the park...
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2:17PM on 03/06/2014

Michael B. Jordan's an excellent young actor

and as someone else noted, he's not much younger than Chris Evans was when he got the Human Torch. I would have been much happier if they'd gone with a black Sue Storm as well, but I get that Hollywood doesn't have that kind of courage.

I liked Josh Trank's work on CHRONICLE so that gives me hope for this reboot. Otherwise, I suspect this will be just another stepping stone for Jordan to go on to bigger and better things.
and as someone else noted, he's not much younger than Chris Evans was when he got the Human Torch. I would have been much happier if they'd gone with a black Sue Storm as well, but I get that Hollywood doesn't have that kind of courage.

I liked Josh Trank's work on CHRONICLE so that gives me hope for this reboot. Otherwise, I suspect this will be just another stepping stone for Jordan to go on to bigger and better things.
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3:08PM on 03/06/2014
Actually, he is OLDER than Chris Evans was in both movies. Evans was 24 in the first and 26 in the second (during release, so subtract a year for filming). Michael B. Jordan is 27 and will be 28 at time of release. That would make him 30 or higher by the sequel. Kate Mara is 7 years older than Jessica Alba was at time of release. Again, the only age that really stands out is Miles Teller, fives years younger than Ioan Gruffudd was.
Actually, he is OLDER than Chris Evans was in both movies. Evans was 24 in the first and 26 in the second (during release, so subtract a year for filming). Michael B. Jordan is 27 and will be 28 at time of release. That would make him 30 or higher by the sequel. Kate Mara is 7 years older than Jessica Alba was at time of release. Again, the only age that really stands out is Miles Teller, fives years younger than Ioan Gruffudd was.
6:57PM on 03/06/2014
It's not their actual age guys, it's how they appear. Jordan JUST finished a movie where he played a believable high school senior, now he's going to play a 30 - 35 year old pilot? Alba had a more mature look and could easily pass for 30 (albeit a really hot 30), but Mara almost always plays roles of high school/college age girls.

You have people who appear young playing older characters (or they're going to completely change the idea of the comic, which is what everyone is afraid of).
It's not their actual age guys, it's how they appear. Jordan JUST finished a movie where he played a believable high school senior, now he's going to play a 30 - 35 year old pilot? Alba had a more mature look and could easily pass for 30 (albeit a really hot 30), but Mara almost always plays roles of high school/college age girls.

You have people who appear young playing older characters (or they're going to completely change the idea of the comic, which is what everyone is afraid of).
1:43AM on 03/07/2014
Ironic that you claim that, Des1, because one of the major complaints made seems to be when actors in their late 20s play high school students. So, now the age of an actor doesn't matter if they look young? Okay, so Miles Teller does look too young for the role, and I already admitted that, but just because Michael B. Jordan played a high schooler doesn't mean he looks like one. To me, he looks his age. Kate Mara also looks like a 30 year old. What makes Chris Evans look older than Jordan?
Ironic that you claim that, Des1, because one of the major complaints made seems to be when actors in their late 20s play high school students. So, now the age of an actor doesn't matter if they look young? Okay, so Miles Teller does look too young for the role, and I already admitted that, but just because Michael B. Jordan played a high schooler doesn't mean he looks like one. To me, he looks his age. Kate Mara also looks like a 30 year old. What makes Chris Evans look older than Jordan? I certainly don't see Mara as looking younger than Alba at time of filming. Why don't you just admit that the one who looks too young is Miles Teller? I'm 29 years old, but people have told me I look like I'm in my early 20s. Does that make me in my early 20s? No. It is possible for someone to look younger than their age, but that doesn't change their age.
2:07PM on 03/06/2014

Will never understand people's lack of imagination

People often bring up this argument of why must they turn a character's race from something that has no relevance to their character whatsoever (please, don't bring up Luke Cage, Blade, or Black Panther). Siblings can be different races, is this unheard of to some of you? Besides, if they continue making the same stuff with just a different cast then what's the point?
People often bring up this argument of why must they turn a character's race from something that has no relevance to their character whatsoever (please, don't bring up Luke Cage, Blade, or Black Panther). Siblings can be different races, is this unheard of to some of you? Besides, if they continue making the same stuff with just a different cast then what's the point?
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2:06PM on 03/06/2014

This goes beyond racism....

So right off the bat, the fact that he's black plays a huge part, no doubt. However, none of us have read this script yet. There are no real plot details. But no matter who you are, everyone judges a book by its cover. For material like this its hard not to compare it to its source and I'd have to agree with the people who say the bigger (not concern) but curiosity leans more on the brother/sister angle of Sue and Johnny Storm considering that Kate Mara is caucasian. If the script harps on the
So right off the bat, the fact that he's black plays a huge part, no doubt. However, none of us have read this script yet. There are no real plot details. But no matter who you are, everyone judges a book by its cover. For material like this its hard not to compare it to its source and I'd have to agree with the people who say the bigger (not concern) but curiosity leans more on the brother/sister angle of Sue and Johnny Storm considering that Kate Mara is caucasian. If the script harps on the adoption angle, no doubt people (especially the fans!) are going to raise their eyebrow and cock their heads to the side and say WHAT A PLOY! It goes with the fanbase territory. But if the studio has so much faith on the talents of Jordan to really bring something new and fresh to the character that LEND to the story then thats all anyone can ask for. Lets not forget and people need to realize that when it comes to the movie industry and comic movies its all about the number$. Shock value in casting, plot, changing from source material, its all strategy in appealing to the widest audience possible. I don't like putting my own personal opinions about decisions like this because YES, I am a fan, but my criticism is in the entire decision to go with SUCH A MUCH YOUNGER team all together. All of these actors are amazingly talented in their own right, but sometimes castings like this can have a HUGE backlash. And especially for Marvel, I have a hard time getting away from the idea that in a superhero TEAM reboot like this, it would behove them to have at least casted a more veteran or perhaps A-List actor(s) in the roles of Sue Storm and Mr. Fantastic. Something the other younger members could have rallied behind. Instead, appealing to the younger generation seems to be mission number one here. Either way, my curiosity has been peaked, more so about Jamie Bell as Thing than a fantastic black actor like Jordan taking on Torch. Let's rise above the mundane surface judgements of race and move on to something much more important in the comic film industry, and that is engaging material that isn't intoxicated with CGI and shitty writing, granted good CGI sequences are a huge ingredient in something like a Fantastic Four reboot (please god give me a motion capture THING). I have higher hopes for this with Josh Trank on board. He can tell a story. But if it becomes a pro-adoption agenda or race-has-no-face type movie, audiences aren't stupid, they are going to pick up on the clues. Having said all this, let me just say something about casting. Its an art form. Taking risks is what makes some movies iconic. When the original script for Lethal Weapon came out, the script never specified that it was to be a white cop and a black cop. The casting director, Marion Dougherty, was the one that threw Danny Glover into the casting pool and the studio and everyone behind the movie hesitated. She pushed for it and it happened leading to one of the most iconic Buddy Cop duos ever to be portrayed on screen. Let's hold off on judgements until we get a trailer, huh?
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1:53PM on 03/06/2014

Age

The only actor who is younger than the actor that played the part in the previous Fantastic Four films is Miles Teller as Mr. Fantastic, who is five years younger than Ioan Grufford, who was 32 compared to Miles age of 27. I don't count Jamie Bell because I suspect his role will consist of motion capture and voice acting (which he did for Tintin, a part that required him to play a younger role). Michael B. Jordan and Kate Mara are both older than Jessica Alba and Chris Evans were when they
The only actor who is younger than the actor that played the part in the previous Fantastic Four films is Miles Teller as Mr. Fantastic, who is five years younger than Ioan Grufford, who was 32 compared to Miles age of 27. I don't count Jamie Bell because I suspect his role will consist of motion capture and voice acting (which he did for Tintin, a part that required him to play a younger role). Michael B. Jordan and Kate Mara are both older than Jessica Alba and Chris Evans were when they were cast. Now, that was a terrible cast, but it does put the age concerns into question (when Alba as Sue and Evans as Johnny Storm were both 24 at time of release). However, Miles Teller does look way too young, even at 27. He has a baby face, and that is probably where the concern lies.
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1:51PM on 03/06/2014

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It seems that every actor casted in a marvel role always have the chance to play one of his favorit caracter. I think I will watch the TV made Fantastic Four insted of that movie with bad bad bad casting.
It seems that every actor casted in a marvel role always have the chance to play one of his favorit caracter. I think I will watch the TV made Fantastic Four insted of that movie with bad bad bad casting.
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1:50PM on 03/06/2014

Who cares?

The Fantastic 4 sucks and so will this movie. Who cares about the casting?
The Fantastic 4 sucks and so will this movie. Who cares about the casting?
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1:25PM on 03/06/2014
I think people have less of a problem with him being black and more of a problem with the fact that he and his sister are different races. It doesn't make much sense unless they say that one of them is adopted, which means they're probably going to squeeze in the tired "you don't have to be related in order to be a family" message. I'm guessing.
I think people have less of a problem with him being black and more of a problem with the fact that he and his sister are different races. It doesn't make much sense unless they say that one of them is adopted, which means they're probably going to squeeze in the tired "you don't have to be related in order to be a family" message. I'm guessing.
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1:29PM on 03/06/2014
agreed. I posted that a bit earlier. They complain about his race (without mentioning the sibling aspect of it) when it is the sibling aspect that is the big change. Dude is really a great actor. I might check out the movie (not that big a fan of the fantastic four, in general).
agreed. I posted that a bit earlier. They complain about his race (without mentioning the sibling aspect of it) when it is the sibling aspect that is the big change. Dude is really a great actor. I might check out the movie (not that big a fan of the fantastic four, in general).
3:13PM on 03/06/2014
Right, because it doesn't "count" as being a family if adoption is involved. You realize it's possible for a black man and white woman to biologically be related, right? That's the real problem here; it's 2014 and people can't accept two characters as siblings unless they share the same skin color. That's why I hope they don't explain why Johnny is black and Sue is white in the movie.
Right, because it doesn't "count" as being a family if adoption is involved. You realize it's possible for a black man and white woman to biologically be related, right? That's the real problem here; it's 2014 and people can't accept two characters as siblings unless they share the same skin color. That's why I hope they don't explain why Johnny is black and Sue is white in the movie.
3:36PM on 03/06/2014
Human procreation is still subject to genetics and heredity, even in 2014. However, in addition to adoption, there are two other options. One is that they have mixed race parents, though usually in such instances the offspring are mulatto rather than strongly showing genetic traits of one race or the other. The other possibility is that they both had the same mother, but different fathers. Or vice versa.

In any case, by not making his sister African American as well, they've introduced
Human procreation is still subject to genetics and heredity, even in 2014. However, in addition to adoption, there are two other options. One is that they have mixed race parents, though usually in such instances the offspring are mulatto rather than strongly showing genetic traits of one race or the other. The other possibility is that they both had the same mother, but different fathers. Or vice versa.

In any case, by not making his sister African American as well, they've introduced a complexity to the characters that I'm not sure is necessary. Does anyone go to comic book movies for inter-racial drama? Maybe they do.
1:22PM on 03/06/2014
Totally ambivalent on this news story or any of the stories leading up to this one but why is every single person cast in a comic movie suddenly the world's biggest comic book fan since birth, and they have always loved their character in particular. That always rings as totally false and is kind of annoying to me.
Totally ambivalent on this news story or any of the stories leading up to this one but why is every single person cast in a comic movie suddenly the world's biggest comic book fan since birth, and they have always loved their character in particular. That always rings as totally false and is kind of annoying to me.
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1:27PM on 03/06/2014
They want to install hope in the fans that they love the comic. Granted, I am sure, the majority never read a comic but it's marketing. No one says that their movie is shit until afterwards, and that's few and far between. That's just how it works. Got to 'play ball' in the movie industry.
They want to install hope in the fans that they love the comic. Granted, I am sure, the majority never read a comic but it's marketing. No one says that their movie is shit until afterwards, and that's few and far between. That's just how it works. Got to 'play ball' in the movie industry.
1:27PM on 03/06/2014
They want to install hope in the fans that they love the comic. Granted, I am sure, the majority never read a comic but it's marketing. No one says that their movie is shit until afterwards, and that's few and far between. That's just how it works. Got to 'play ball' in the movie industry.
They want to install hope in the fans that they love the comic. Granted, I am sure, the majority never read a comic but it's marketing. No one says that their movie is shit until afterwards, and that's few and far between. That's just how it works. Got to 'play ball' in the movie industry.
1:21PM on 03/06/2014

It is a good response on his part...Studio is to blame for fan backlash.

He's just doing his job. I have no problem with him or anyone in the cast but rather the studio who made the decisions behind the casting. I think they are putting themselves in a box appealing to a younger audience much like The Amazing Spiderman with Sony. But the motivation is the number$. I know Marvel has a duty to Disney to produce lucrative films but their poster boy is Kevin Feige and in addition to making money-making films that appeal to a familial more widespread audience, he's a
He's just doing his job. I have no problem with him or anyone in the cast but rather the studio who made the decisions behind the casting. I think they are putting themselves in a box appealing to a younger audience much like The Amazing Spiderman with Sony. But the motivation is the number$. I know Marvel has a duty to Disney to produce lucrative films but their poster boy is Kevin Feige and in addition to making money-making films that appeal to a familial more widespread audience, he's a fanboy. Who's the president of Fox filmed entertainment? Jim Gianopulos. He's not known for being a fanboy but for the economic results he's brought to Fox and for green-lighting films like this one. Why does it matter? As a fan of the comics and film who enjoys when the stories from the paper are brought to life it's nice to see when people care about the projects, enjoy what they're doing as well as making money rather than just doing their jobs. I k now I'm not the only fan who would like to see this as well. At least in this way you know that if any artistic license is to be taken it is done in the same tonal vein of the source material rather than casting a young, hip black actor to get x amount more of butts in seats to get x amount of more dollars for the production....that's why I lost faith in the Spiderman reboot. Fox seems to be following the footsteps of Sony in this regard.
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1:12PM on 03/06/2014

Race? No...AGE!

Everyone of these guys was too young looking. Hard to take serious a Fantastic Four right outta high school.
Everyone of these guys was too young looking. Hard to take serious a Fantastic Four right outta high school.
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1:22PM on 03/06/2014
This movie is based off the other Fantastic Four comic series where they are younger. Just like how the new Spiderman movies are based off the new series. In fact, there is a black Spiderman in the comics now.
This movie is based off the other Fantastic Four comic series where they are younger. Just like how the new Spiderman movies are based off the new series. In fact, there is a black Spiderman in the comics now.
1:05PM on 03/06/2014

Really?

Jordan's comments remind me of interviews with baseball managers before/after games. "Well, we've got a pretty good ball club, and we've just got to stick to fundamentals. We'll just take these games one at a time . . ." That kind of deal. None of it means anything, but it SOUNDS like they're saying something important. His comments shed no light whatsoever on the controversy.
Jordan's comments remind me of interviews with baseball managers before/after games. "Well, we've got a pretty good ball club, and we've just got to stick to fundamentals. We'll just take these games one at a time . . ." That kind of deal. None of it means anything, but it SOUNDS like they're saying something important. His comments shed no light whatsoever on the controversy.
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12:59PM on 03/06/2014

I'm not a fan of his casting....

but I like him as an actor and I really like the way he avoided doing the usual Hollywood thing and accusing everyone else of racism. I have less problem with his casting than that of the other three (although I love Kate Mara and hope she finds a way to own the role). The way they're changing the origin story completely and using all 20-somethings to play people who are supposed to be older and much more established is worrisome. I don't have much faith that they're going to do well with
but I like him as an actor and I really like the way he avoided doing the usual Hollywood thing and accusing everyone else of racism. I have less problem with his casting than that of the other three (although I love Kate Mara and hope she finds a way to own the role). The way they're changing the origin story completely and using all 20-somethings to play people who are supposed to be older and much more established is worrisome. I don't have much faith that they're going to do well with the villain or avoid making this the Dawson's Creek of superhero stories.

We'll see.....
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1:08PM on 03/06/2014
They're using Ultimate Fantasic Four, just how "Amazing Spiderman" is from a different series of Spider-Man. Many comic books have different series. There is a black Spiderman now. So don't trip on that as their age is how it is in the comics.
They're using Ultimate Fantasic Four, just how "Amazing Spiderman" is from a different series of Spider-Man. Many comic books have different series. There is a black Spiderman now. So don't trip on that as their age is how it is in the comics.
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12:36PM on 03/06/2014

Couldnt care less about the color of the skin...

But lets be honest, an action movie is as good as the bad guy... if he/she/group is truly terrifying and the odds the good guys face are really challenging.. then the movie will rock.

A seemingly bad movie with a strong bad guy is a good movie... so lets see.

If its just a bunch of hip superheroes trying to look cool while doing their CGI crap... then.. well...
But lets be honest, an action movie is as good as the bad guy... if he/she/group is truly terrifying and the odds the good guys face are really challenging.. then the movie will rock.

A seemingly bad movie with a strong bad guy is a good movie... so lets see.

If its just a bunch of hip superheroes trying to look cool while doing their CGI crap... then.. well...
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12:28PM on 03/06/2014

So I hear....

That he is in the running to play Captain America when they begin to reboot that .....
That he is in the running to play Captain America when they begin to reboot that .....
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12:33PM on 03/06/2014
I thought it was Jason Statham in the running.
I thought it was Jason Statham in the running.
12:40PM on 03/06/2014
I think I would rather see Michael B Jordan, atleast he can act, and I should be supporting my fellow englishman.
I think I would rather see Michael B Jordan, atleast he can act, and I should be supporting my fellow englishman.
1:11PM on 03/06/2014
I get it :)
I get it :)
3:25PM on 03/06/2014
I heard he's actually taking the Red Skull part.
I heard he's actually taking the Red Skull part.
12:27PM on 03/06/2014
Terrible casting for every character in this film. I hope the films bombs and the rights go back to Marvel. Fuck this film and everyone involved.
Terrible casting for every character in this film. I hope the films bombs and the rights go back to Marvel. Fuck this film and everyone involved.
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12:29PM on 03/06/2014
Not being rude here but the same, by many, was said of Ryan Reynolds.
Not being rude here but the same, by many, was said of Ryan Reynolds.
12:42PM on 03/06/2014
That's fine. But at least they casted a white actor for a white character.

I also thought it was weird for Reynolds to take on Green Lantern since he would have made for the perfect Flash.
That's fine. But at least they casted a white actor for a white character.

I also thought it was weird for Reynolds to take on Green Lantern since he would have made for the perfect Flash.
12:43PM on 03/06/2014
But in the end I enjoyed the film and him in the role immensely.
But in the end I enjoyed the film and him in the role immensely.
12:47PM on 03/06/2014
I agree that he should have been Flash. His current choice of roles are screwing up his 'resume'. He needs to find the right vehicle. Just hurry up with Deadpool!

What are your thoughts on Michael Clark Duncan as Kingpin? I understand why he was used and had no issue with it but the race was different. Same goes with Two-Face.
I agree that he should have been Flash. His current choice of roles are screwing up his 'resume'. He needs to find the right vehicle. Just hurry up with Deadpool!

What are your thoughts on Michael Clark Duncan as Kingpin? I understand why he was used and had no issue with it but the race was different. Same goes with Two-Face.
1:09PM on 03/06/2014
Did Duncan or Williams have a white sister in those movies? Didn't think so . . .
Did Duncan or Williams have a white sister in those movies? Didn't think so . . .
1:17PM on 03/06/2014
Why is it a problem for a black actor to play this role? Fair enough if you don't like the casting but it's not the worst casting I've heard of!! I mean to me he has the characteristics of Johnny storm, but as you only claim to be a comic book fan as opposed to actually being one you wouldn't know that.!! Also you told a few people to get over the affleck casting, but you whine and bitch about this non stop. Tbh you just come across like a racist 14 year old that likes to act like a comic
Why is it a problem for a black actor to play this role? Fair enough if you don't like the casting but it's not the worst casting I've heard of!! I mean to me he has the characteristics of Johnny storm, but as you only claim to be a comic book fan as opposed to actually being one you wouldn't know that.!! Also you told a few people to get over the affleck casting, but you whine and bitch about this non stop. Tbh you just come across like a racist 14 year old that likes to act like a comic book fan. The fact you think Reynolds would make a good flash shows how little you actually. Know about any comics.
1:23PM on 03/06/2014
your argument is invalid.
your argument is invalid.
1:25PM on 03/06/2014
Didn't mean you Von-Damage. I meant msgelter. Trying to find an excuse because of a casting chance. No Kingpin did not have a non-black sister or ANY family members in Daredevil. The issue is more the race msgelter. Adoption will explain it I would think.
Didn't mean you Von-Damage. I meant msgelter. Trying to find an excuse because of a casting chance. No Kingpin did not have a non-black sister or ANY family members in Daredevil. The issue is more the race msgelter. Adoption will explain it I would think.
3:24PM on 03/06/2014
Yeah, fuck all those hard working crew members busting their backs trying to make a living! Fuck them all!

I hope we get at least a trilogy out of this cast :)
Yeah, fuck all those hard working crew members busting their backs trying to make a living! Fuck them all!

I hope we get at least a trilogy out of this cast :)
5:24PM on 03/06/2014
To VanDamage....the Batman casting is a whole different aspect. At least they casted a white actor for an iconic white character.

Johnny Storm is white. If people want to see a new Black Superhero, then they should come up with one. Not ruin what is already established through years and years of comic books and films.
To VanDamage....the Batman casting is a whole different aspect. At least they casted a white actor for an iconic white character.

Johnny Storm is white. If people want to see a new Black Superhero, then they should come up with one. Not ruin what is already established through years and years of comic books and films.
7:25PM on 03/06/2014
Yeah, because it's so easy to just create a brand new superhero popular enough to warrant a big budget Hollywood adaptation. And because the one thing everyone here lauds Hollywood for is taking chances on original material.
Yeah, because it's so easy to just create a brand new superhero popular enough to warrant a big budget Hollywood adaptation. And because the one thing everyone here lauds Hollywood for is taking chances on original material.
8:06PM on 03/06/2014
Short Round.....how about Hancock? Pretty sure that was a big budget film about a black superhero that is getting a sequel.
Short Round.....how about Hancock? Pretty sure that was a big budget film about a black superhero that is getting a sequel.
9:00PM on 03/06/2014
Another thread, another whining Soloist comment about race. Ya know for a guy who constantly says fuck this film. You sure do seem to follow it a whole lot. Guarantee when this movie comes out, Soloist says it's one of the year's best.

Who gives a shit about race for a character? If you can't move past this, you have some serious growing up to do.
Another thread, another whining Soloist comment about race. Ya know for a guy who constantly says fuck this film. You sure do seem to follow it a whole lot. Guarantee when this movie comes out, Soloist says it's one of the year's best.

Who gives a shit about race for a character? If you can't move past this, you have some serious growing up to do.
9:44PM on 03/06/2014
Well, that's the exception isn't it? Considering it starred one of the biggest movie stars in the world. I know it made money, which I would argue had more to do with Will Smith than the quality of the film since critical reception was mixed. It's been, what, six years since that came out? I suppose it could still happen, but I think if they were going to do a sequel it would've been made by now.

How many other original, big budget superhero flicks have there been since then? Keep in
Well, that's the exception isn't it? Considering it starred one of the biggest movie stars in the world. I know it made money, which I would argue had more to do with Will Smith than the quality of the film since critical reception was mixed. It's been, what, six years since that came out? I suppose it could still happen, but I think if they were going to do a sequel it would've been made by now.

How many other original, big budget superhero flicks have there been since then? Keep in mind I'm not just talking about ones that feature a black superhero, I'm talking overall original superhero films that have been made. Because my point is that there are few. They're mainly based on existing properties, and they mostly feature predominantly white male characters.

Now, that's not a bad thing. These properties are just a product of their time. But they're white because they were drawn that way, not because it's essential to who they are as a character. I understand fans want to see the characters they love up on the big screen, but I think it's more important that they are portrayed correctly, that the actors capture the essence of who that character is, than that they look exactly like they do in the comics.

I also feel that our superheroes should represent the times we live in now. I read an interview recently with Djimom Hounsou who said the reason he wanted to be in "Guardians of the Galaxy" was because his son, who is a huge Spider-Man fan, told him he wanted light skin because Spider-Man has light skin and he wanted to be like him. We need more diverse role models for kids today. That's also why it's not okay to have a white actor play a black superhero (or asian, or hispanic, etc) because there's so few of them to begin with.

Now, that doesn't mean we should only consider black actors, or asian actors, or hispanic actors etc for these superhero roles, only that they shouldn't be left out of consideration. Black, white, hispanic, whatever, it should be about the performance, not how they look. That's all I'm saying, in a very long, rambling way :)
12:26PM on 03/06/2014

it will be interesting

i don't have an issue with it only because I was never really into Fantastic Four. I am just curious how they will handle the brother/sister aspect of it, most likely I would think an adoption of some sort. Ever since the very first superhero movie came out, fans of the comic are hardcore and want whomever is casted to look EXACTLY like the hero. Michael Keaton got shit at first, as did Heath Ledger, and then bamm it worked. People will bring up the late great Michael Clarke Duncan as The
i don't have an issue with it only because I was never really into Fantastic Four. I am just curious how they will handle the brother/sister aspect of it, most likely I would think an adoption of some sort. Ever since the very first superhero movie came out, fans of the comic are hardcore and want whomever is casted to look EXACTLY like the hero. Michael Keaton got shit at first, as did Heath Ledger, and then bamm it worked. People will bring up the late great Michael Clarke Duncan as The Kingpin but I understood why he was casted. Comic book fans/elitists are just really hardcore and loyal to the comic so when a movie is announced they are very, very, skeptical. I just tell people 'you know you still have the comic so what does it matter?' but thats just me. sorry for all the grammical errors and typos. I suck at writing.
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12:31PM on 03/06/2014
I hear they are doing a biopic of Bruce Lee story starring Jason Statham. Yeah, it could work.
I hear they are doing a biopic of Bruce Lee story starring Jason Statham. Yeah, it could work.
12:38PM on 03/06/2014
I think when a hardcore comic fan hear's or see's a much loved medium like Comics brought to the big screen they want to see it represented properly. These fans have invested years of their lives devoted to the stories and the characters. Ultimately what comics are designed for. So although a character alteration might not feel like such a big deal to some it is a very big deal to those who have grown up and invested time into these characters. Isn't that why most of us are here? because we are
I think when a hardcore comic fan hear's or see's a much loved medium like Comics brought to the big screen they want to see it represented properly. These fans have invested years of their lives devoted to the stories and the characters. Ultimately what comics are designed for. So although a character alteration might not feel like such a big deal to some it is a very big deal to those who have grown up and invested time into these characters. Isn't that why most of us are here? because we are passionate about film and the material. I believe that Comic or superhero characters when brought to screen have generally been more successful when relating back to the material. To me this just seems like a move by the studio's to try and appeal to a larger audience in order to make money and again not really listening to the fans who have kept the characters going in the first place.
12:49PM on 03/06/2014
That is what I was saying. Fans want it to turn out well, which I understand. Yes, in a way, they 'deserve' to get a good adaptation. But also....the comic book company/creator should be held more responsible if they allowed a movie company to adapt their work. I grew up loving Scooby Doo and the movies were shit but I still have the old cartoons to watch.
That is what I was saying. Fans want it to turn out well, which I understand. Yes, in a way, they 'deserve' to get a good adaptation. But also....the comic book company/creator should be held more responsible if they allowed a movie company to adapt their work. I grew up loving Scooby Doo and the movies were shit but I still have the old cartoons to watch.
12:24PM on 03/06/2014
I don't give a shit anymore.My butt hole can make better casting decisions.
I don't give a shit anymore.My butt hole can make better casting decisions.
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12:26PM on 03/06/2014
Same.
Same.
12:27PM on 03/06/2014
but that would mean your casting decisions would be shit
but that would mean your casting decisions would be shit
12:44PM on 03/06/2014
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12:49PM on 03/06/2014
should have worded it different ;) it was too easy to make a pun.
should have worded it different ;) it was too easy to make a pun.
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