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05.26.2014

Movie Jail

This is Movie Jail, a unique maximum security prison that houses some of the worst writers, directors, actors and producers from Hollywood and beyond. Their crimes? The offenses vary from convict to convict but most of these inmates have contributed negatively to the film world to some capacity and his or her misdeeds have covered a long enough period of time that the authorities had to intervene. In each column a defendant is put on trial, arguments are made, and then it is up to YOU, the jury, to decide if the person is guilty or not guilty of crimes against cinema. Their lives are in your hands, dude.

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The Case

The Prosecution: Trespass, Twelve, Blood Creek, The Number 23, The Phantom of the Opera, Bad Company, Flawless, Batman & Robin, Batman Forever, Dying Young, The Incredible Shrinking Woman

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, director Joel Schumacher almost killed the Batman movie franchise with his Batman Forever and Batman & Robin, but you'd be wrong to think it's the only reason why he's being considered for Movie Jail. While a few of his post-Nipple Man and Codpiece Boy movies have been decent, many of them have been panned by critics, and most of the blame falls on Mr. Schumacher.

What's really unfortunate about Mr. Schumacher's career is how he did rebound after his Batman flicks with smaller films like 8mm and Tigerland, only to kill whatever momentum he had going for himself with the absolutely terrible The Number 23. It's a huge mess, and the prosecution feels it's safe to say the Jim Carrey movie is what really sent the director's career into the shitter.

Since the release of The Number 23 in 2007, Mr. Schumacher has only directed three films (Trespass, Twelve and Blood Creek), and all three have mostly received negative reviews from critics. They've also only had limited theatrical release, proof studios just don't have faith in the director's films anymore.

Mr. Schumacher has also benefited from working with many very talented actors and actresses during his career. The defense may like Veronica Guerin, but is it because it's actually a solid movie, or due to Cate Blanchett's fantastic portrayal of the Irish journalist? Both Phillip Seymour Hoffman and Robert De Niro are excellent in Flawless, but the actors are also what save the movie from its weak script, which by the way, was written by Mr. Schumacher.

Batman Forever and Batman & Robin alone might have been enough to toss Mr. Schumacher into Movie Jail, and since his recent films have also been terrible, the prosecution believes sending the director's ass to prison is a no brainer.

The Defense: Veronica Guerin, Phone Booth, Tigerland, 8mm, A Time to Kill, The Client, Falling Down, Flatliners, Cousins, The Lost Boys, St. Elmo's Fire, D.C. Cab

Ladies and gentlemen, there's no denying my client has helmed a few stinkers during his career, however the defense doesn't think he belongs in Movie Jail, and although the prosecution isn't very high on Mr. Schumacher, the defense believes he is still a solid director.

Mr. Schumacher's Batman & Robin is by no means a good movie, but the defense actually doesn't mind Batman Forever for what it is (a more family friendly Batman flick, or at least more so than Batman Returns), and he has directed plenty of other great films that don't feature The Dark Knight. In particular, his 80s and most of his 90s movies are fantastic. The defense doesn't think the jury is going to be too happy seeing the guy who directed The Lost Boys, Falling Down, and St. Elmo's Fire up for Movie Jail. The defense also feels 8mm is incredibly underrated, even though most critics didn't care for the thriller, and considers Tigerland to be one of the best Vietnam War themed movies ever created.

However the prosecution's main beef with my client is his most recent films, which to be honest, haven't been fantastic. But Mr. Schumacher did a great job helming a couple of episodes of Netflix's House of Cards, so it's not as if he has lost his skills as a director. And even though Mr. Schumacher's films as of late haven't been too hot, the defense believes all it would take is one solid project to remind people just how talented he can be behind the camera.

The defense is hoping the jury will be able to look past my client's Batman movies and recent failures, and realize that Mr. Schumacher is a great director with a very hit-or-miss filmography. And when you also consider just how great some of Mr. Schumacher's films have been, it's obvious the director definitely shouldn't be sent to Movie Jail.

IN CLOSING...

Should we lock Mr. Schumacher up and throw away the key, or do you think he's still capable of directing a good movie? Did he blow his chance at returning to his pre-Batman & Robin glory days with The Number 23 and his recent weak offerings, or are you still interested in seeing movies from the director? Is Joel Schumacher GUILTY or NOT GUILTY?

COMMENT BELOW WITH YOUR VERDICT!

*The cases for and against a defendant going to Movie Jail by the author are not necessarily his views and opinions but they are some of the beliefs that one would use to effectively make an argument for both sides. Not quite a devil's advocate but you get the point. Anyways, this is all in fun so don't take it too seriously. We have a separate jail for those people called "Troll Tower" and believe me you do NOT want to go there.

WHAT SAY YOU, GUILTY OR NOT?

LAST WEEK'S VERDICT

Kevin James has been found GUILTY of all charges in last week's trial, which is a shame because he actually seems like a nice guy. But that's what happens when you associate yourself with Adam Sandler and his Happy Madison Productions. Besides a long sentence, Mr. James will also remain in prison until he agrees to no longer work with Sandler or his production company, and must publicly apologize for Paul Blart: Mall Cop.

PREVIOUS VERDICTS

GUILTY Adam Sandler, Eddie Murphy, Vince Vaughn, Tim Burton, The Farrelly Brothers, Michael Bay, Jessica Alba, Ice Cube, Gerard Butler, Halle Berry, Marlon Wayans, Julia Roberts, M. Night Shyamalan , Katherine Heigl , Cuba Gooding, Jr., Tyler Perry, Cameron Diaz, Kate Hudson, Ashton Kutcher, Happy Madison Productions, Jennifer Lopez, Bruce Willis, Paul W.S. Anderson, Matthew Broderick, Sarah Jessica Parker, Brett Ratner, Rob Cohen, Renee Zellweger, Shia LaBeouf, Renny Harlin, Diane Keaton, McG, Demi Moore, King Joffrey (Game of Thrones Special), David Spade, Spike Lee, Kevin James

NOT GUILTY Robert De Niro, Val Kilmer, Nic Cage, John Travolta, Oliver Stone, Ben Stiller, Jim Carrey, Wes Craven, Matthew McConaughey, Robert Rodriguez, Kristen Stewart, Roland Emmerich, Kevin Costner, Sandra Bullock, Hilary Swank, Al Pacino, Keanu Reeves, Kevin Smith, Channing Tatum, Jennifer Aniston, Owen Wilson, Anna Faris, Robin Williams, Charlize Theron, Ray Liotta, Jason Statham, Paul Walker, Will Smith, Salma Hayek, Michael Cera, Johnny Depp, Ryan Reynolds, Milla Jovovich, John Singleton, Jon Voight, Jack Black, Brian De Palma, Jerry Bruckheimer, Nicole Kidman, Justin Timberlake, Freddy Krueger (Halloween Special), Johnny Knoxville, Orlando Bloom, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Dan Aykroyd, Sylvester Stallone, Gavin Hood, Jason Lee, Jennifer Garner, Carrie-Anne Moss, Kate Beckinsale, John Cusack, Chris Columbus, Clive Owen, Terrence Howard, Andrew Niccol, Drew Barrymore, Steve Martin

Extra Tidbit: Who should stand trial next week? Share your suggestions for actors, directors and writers below with your verdict!
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6:41AM on 10/29/2014

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SO VERY VERY GUILTY
SO VERY VERY GUILTY
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6:59PM on 05/30/2014

Guilty

Forget about Batman and Robin, when your defense includes 8 mm, you must deserve Movie Jail. Lost Boys?. Compare to Near Dark, Lost Boys is pretty lame.
Forget about Batman and Robin, when your defense includes 8 mm, you must deserve Movie Jail. Lost Boys?. Compare to Near Dark, Lost Boys is pretty lame.
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11:34AM on 05/28/2014

GUILTY!!!

Did you forget the BatAmerican Express Card!? Unforgivable!!
Did you forget the BatAmerican Express Card!? Unforgivable!!
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7:38AM on 05/28/2014
Not Guilty. Batman Forever is actually a good movie. I personally think it's way better than Batman Returns.
Not Guilty. Batman Forever is actually a good movie. I personally think it's way better than Batman Returns.
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3:44PM on 05/27/2014

Guilty

He is so guilty. Early success was during a period where he did not have creative freedom. Batman movies are representative of what happens when Joel is free to perform his art.
He is so guilty. Early success was during a period where he did not have creative freedom. Batman movies are representative of what happens when Joel is free to perform his art.
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11:46PM on 05/27/2014
You call that art?
You call that art?
2:54PM on 05/27/2014

Guilty

DC Cab, 8mm, Lost Boys, and Falling Down are the only films of his I liked.
The rest all have aged horribly or come off as painfully amateurish. On top of that he made 2 of the worst Batman movies ever.
DC Cab, 8mm, Lost Boys, and Falling Down are the only films of his I liked.
The rest all have aged horribly or come off as painfully amateurish. On top of that he made 2 of the worst Batman movies ever.
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12:11PM on 05/27/2014

Guilty

A Time to Kill is a great flick but making the corniest batman movies since Adam West is enough for me
A Time to Kill is a great flick but making the corniest batman movies since Adam West is enough for me
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11:33AM on 05/27/2014

Guilty!

Lock him up!
Lock him up!
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11:08AM on 05/27/2014

Guilty

When a children's show, Batman: TAS, tears you down and makes fun of you for nearly ruining such an iconic legend that is the Bat (episode: Legends of the Dark Knight)... you're guilty. I don't care how much I love Falling Down, The Lost Boys, you don't go and commit such heinous crimes to the Batman.
When a children's show, Batman: TAS, tears you down and makes fun of you for nearly ruining such an iconic legend that is the Bat (episode: Legends of the Dark Knight)... you're guilty. I don't care how much I love Falling Down, The Lost Boys, you don't go and commit such heinous crimes to the Batman.
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10:32AM on 05/27/2014

Guilty, but

I have to say that this bears more consideration that I thought. I was ready to throw the book at both him and Clooney for ruining Batman but I had forgotten about his earlier work. Also if his Batman films weren't so terrible would we have gotten the more serious Nolan films? Did he accidentally usher in the age of serious comic book films by making such terrible ones? Either way that doesn't make him innocent, but it can affect his sentence. I was ready to lobby for the "death" penalty (as in
I have to say that this bears more consideration that I thought. I was ready to throw the book at both him and Clooney for ruining Batman but I had forgotten about his earlier work. Also if his Batman films weren't so terrible would we have gotten the more serious Nolan films? Did he accidentally usher in the age of serious comic book films by making such terrible ones? Either way that doesn't make him innocent, but it can affect his sentence. I was ready to lobby for the "death" penalty (as in never work in the industry again) but after consideration, life in movie jail will suffice.
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8:39AM on 05/27/2014
I would love nothing more than to say guilty to the guy that almost completely ruined the Batman film franchise but honestly I can't because Schumacher has had a lot of good to great films on his resume. His filmography can be inconsistent but he has managed to make some kickass films.
Not Guilty
I would love nothing more than to say guilty to the guy that almost completely ruined the Batman film franchise but honestly I can't because Schumacher has had a lot of good to great films on his resume. His filmography can be inconsistent but he has managed to make some kickass films.
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1:19AM on 05/27/2014

Gave Chris O' Donnel a job=Fuckin Guilty

Some of you people are out of your minds to think he isn't guilty. If I were to ask you what's a good Schumacher film to watch, that has been released in the last 10 years, what would you say???? Lost Boys? 30 Years ago. Lost Boys is incredible. Unfortunately, this guy has been pumping out pure shat for decades. Yes, he's had a couple movies that haven't purely sucked. Other than a true rarity, he's made nothing but direct to DVD garbage, including blockbusters Trespass, Blood Creek, Bad
Some of you people are out of your minds to think he isn't guilty. If I were to ask you what's a good Schumacher film to watch, that has been released in the last 10 years, what would you say???? Lost Boys? 30 Years ago. Lost Boys is incredible. Unfortunately, this guy has been pumping out pure shat for decades. Yes, he's had a couple movies that haven't purely sucked. Other than a true rarity, he's made nothing but direct to DVD garbage, including blockbusters Trespass, Blood Creek, Bad Company, and the classic Phone Booth. Yeah, Flawless was good, but should that one film outweigh the fecal matter that was Batman and Robin? Short answer, NO! Guilty as Adam Sandler is unfunny.
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1:31AM on 05/27/2014
Oh yeah, his shitty Batman films should be blamed for why we went without a new Batman movie for almost a decade. 1997-2005. The demographic went from Batman and Robin's 10 and under, to Batman Begins' limitless age range. How can you mess up Batman?
Oh yeah, his shitty Batman films should be blamed for why we went without a new Batman movie for almost a decade. 1997-2005. The demographic went from Batman and Robin's 10 and under, to Batman Begins' limitless age range. How can you mess up Batman?
1:03AM on 05/27/2014

As much as I want to hate this guy...

..I have to admit, he's thorough with his work. I mean, if you're going to make a bad film, do it like Schumacher; so f*cking terrible that it becomes an infamous piece of Hollywood cinema, remembered through the ages as that movie that's just so bad, it gets kinda goofy and good over time. Plus he has a decent resume. Not guilty!
..I have to admit, he's thorough with his work. I mean, if you're going to make a bad film, do it like Schumacher; so f*cking terrible that it becomes an infamous piece of Hollywood cinema, remembered through the ages as that movie that's just so bad, it gets kinda goofy and good over time. Plus he has a decent resume. Not guilty!
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10:23PM on 05/26/2014

Not Guilty

Lost Boys,Tigerland and Flatliners.He lost his way after Batman Forever but his earlier work is fantastic,Just a great visual eye.Look at Flatliners and his lighting and set design on that.Plus what other director would say on a dvd commentary that they made a crap movie like he does on the commentary for Batman and Robin.Also solid work on House of cards.And this is why he should get a Not Guilty [link]
Lost Boys,Tigerland and Flatliners.He lost his way after Batman Forever but his earlier work is fantastic,Just a great visual eye.Look at Flatliners and his lighting and set design on that.Plus what other director would say on a dvd commentary that they made a crap movie like he does on the commentary for Batman and Robin.Also solid work on House of cards.And this is why he should get a Not Guilty [link]
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9:30PM on 05/26/2014

NOT GUILTY

The Lost Boys is one of my all-time favorite movies. He has made some really good flicks and his bad ones are worth watching for a laugh.
The Lost Boys is one of my all-time favorite movies. He has made some really good flicks and his bad ones are worth watching for a laugh.
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7:39PM on 05/26/2014

Guilty

Let's get a few things straight. First of all, 8mm was utter garbage, through and through. It was morose, vile, and offered no redeeming features for anyone involved. That anyone would claim they enjoy watching it makes me worry for the safety of that person's friends and family.

Secondly, Falling Down is highly overrated. The few good bits are hopelessly drowned out by the glaring plot conveniences and by the unsatisfying character revelation toward the end.

Thirdly, as for The
Let's get a few things straight. First of all, 8mm was utter garbage, through and through. It was morose, vile, and offered no redeeming features for anyone involved. That anyone would claim they enjoy watching it makes me worry for the safety of that person's friends and family.

Secondly, Falling Down is highly overrated. The few good bits are hopelessly drowned out by the glaring plot conveniences and by the unsatisfying character revelation toward the end.

Thirdly, as for The Phantom of the Opera, I remember it being just 'okay', despite how hokey it gets at times. I wouldn't go out of my way to see it again.

Fourth, the Batman movies. Gah. Batman Forever was slightly better (even though TLJ ruined Two-Face), but I think we all generally agree Batman & Robin was one of the worst things to ever hit celluloid. Did anyone else ever see that interview Schumacher gave when he stated he was worried they might not be able to cast Schwarzenegger? Dude you should have been dancing in the streets!

Fifth we have Phone Booth. A decent enough film, although it comes across as shallow in story and theme.

Schumacher's good movies (that I've seen and/or remember) are A Time To Kill and The Lost Boys. The former arguably being his best. However, these alone fail to make up for the rest. Guilty as charged.
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9:02PM on 05/26/2014
Someone needs a hug.

You should come over and have a few beers and I can show you the glowing light that is Batman and Robin.
Someone needs a hug.

You should come over and have a few beers and I can show you the glowing light that is Batman and Robin.
7:36PM on 05/26/2014

Not Guilty

While some of his films have been duds, rarely are they such due to lack of ambition, but rather too much. "The Number 23" is flawed, but A- Jim Carrey is excellent in the role, B- it has a strong visual style, and C- even when it's failing, it isn't failing a la "Transformers", but in a more interesting way.

I believe that sums up why Schumacher isn't guilty. Yes, there's something to be said for knowing what you can handle, but ambitious failures are more interesting than safe ones.
While some of his films have been duds, rarely are they such due to lack of ambition, but rather too much. "The Number 23" is flawed, but A- Jim Carrey is excellent in the role, B- it has a strong visual style, and C- even when it's failing, it isn't failing a la "Transformers", but in a more interesting way.

I believe that sums up why Schumacher isn't guilty. Yes, there's something to be said for knowing what you can handle, but ambitious failures are more interesting than safe ones.
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6:06PM on 05/26/2014
Not guilty. If you guys haven't seen Falling Down, I encourage you to check it out. That movie is one of Micheal Douglas's best roles.
Not guilty. If you guys haven't seen Falling Down, I encourage you to check it out. That movie is one of Micheal Douglas's best roles.
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5:57PM on 05/26/2014

Batman and Robin?

That movie is hilarious. It's a modern day Adam West type Batman with Schwarzenegger one liners. What's not to love?

I also haven't seen The Incredible Shrinking Woman in a while but I remember digging that one.

Some of his movies did suck though (The Number 23, Trespass, & Tigerland) but over all I'd say NOT GUILTY. There's just too many great movies made on his watch to completely discount the guy.
That movie is hilarious. It's a modern day Adam West type Batman with Schwarzenegger one liners. What's not to love?

I also haven't seen The Incredible Shrinking Woman in a while but I remember digging that one.

Some of his movies did suck though (The Number 23, Trespass, & Tigerland) but over all I'd say NOT GUILTY. There's just too many great movies made on his watch to completely discount the guy.
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4:37PM on 05/26/2014

Tough decision

I'd say throw him away for his recent movies. The prosecutions list has a few of my least fav movies ever on it. But I also love Lost Boys, 8mm, Falling Down, and A Time To Kill. So it's a strong defense. Maybe find him guilty with a sentence of time served?
I'd say throw him away for his recent movies. The prosecutions list has a few of my least fav movies ever on it. But I also love Lost Boys, 8mm, Falling Down, and A Time To Kill. So it's a strong defense. Maybe find him guilty with a sentence of time served?
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4:37PM on 05/26/2014

Not Guilty

I'm sorry, but you can't pin Batman Forever and Batman & Robin on Schumacher. By the prosecutions logic we should throw George Clooney in movie jail along side him. Schumacher was a hired gun and those movies were heavily micromanaged by the studio. He even publicly apologized for Batman & Robin. Something that seemed unnecessary after 8mm, Tigerland, Flawless, Phantom and Phone Booth. Hell, Falling Down is more relevant than ever and if we have to have gay vampires I'll take The Lost Boys
I'm sorry, but you can't pin Batman Forever and Batman & Robin on Schumacher. By the prosecutions logic we should throw George Clooney in movie jail along side him. Schumacher was a hired gun and those movies were heavily micromanaged by the studio. He even publicly apologized for Batman & Robin. Something that seemed unnecessary after 8mm, Tigerland, Flawless, Phantom and Phone Booth. Hell, Falling Down is more relevant than ever and if we have to have gay vampires I'll take The Lost Boys over Twilight any day. The only reason his later movies stink is because his stock has unfairly fallen. Ask Renny Harlin about having availability to grade A scripts when your reputation is tainted.
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4:58PM on 05/26/2014
Clooney apologized too.
Clooney apologized too.
5:59PM on 05/26/2014
What killed the dinosaurs?

THE ICE AGE!!! HAHAHAHA!
What killed the dinosaurs?

THE ICE AGE!!! HAHAHAHA!
7:44AM on 05/27/2014
You can't pin the two Batmans on him? He took the job didnt he. Also, Clooney's resume puts his to shame.
You can't pin the two Batmans on him? He took the job didnt he. Also, Clooney's resume puts his to shame.
4:10PM on 05/26/2014
We the jury would like to recommend a sentence of life without parole
We the jury would like to recommend a sentence of life without parole
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4:57PM on 05/26/2014
You can't speak on behave of us.
You can't speak on behave of us.
7:47PM on 05/26/2014
I'm the foreman!
I'm the foreman!
3:20PM on 05/26/2014

Not Guilty

The main film to make him guilty is Batman and Robin. That film came out when I was 12 or 13 and at that age I loved it. Of course, viewing it as an adult now I see how awful it is. Because of my age when it came out, I actually got enjoyment from it. Therefore, I am going to say not guilty.
The main film to make him guilty is Batman and Robin. That film came out when I was 12 or 13 and at that age I loved it. Of course, viewing it as an adult now I see how awful it is. Because of my age when it came out, I actually got enjoyment from it. Therefore, I am going to say not guilty.
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2:29PM on 05/26/2014

Guilty!!!!!!!!

If Batman & Robin was the only bad movie he'd done, I'd still say GUILTY!!!!!!
If Batman & Robin was the only bad movie he'd done, I'd still say GUILTY!!!!!!
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1:16PM on 05/26/2014

NOT GUILTY

I've probably seen a little over half of his filmography but beside Batman & Robin I can't think of a single film I hate. It's unfortunate he'll be judged most harshly by the unhappy comic fans who can't see anything beyond his batman movies. It got us Batman Begins, did it not? The Lost Boys is one of my top 5 horror movies of all time. Falling Down & 8mm are great dark psychological thrillers. The Client & A Time to Kill are about the most bearable courtroom dramas to come out of the era.
I've probably seen a little over half of his filmography but beside Batman & Robin I can't think of a single film I hate. It's unfortunate he'll be judged most harshly by the unhappy comic fans who can't see anything beyond his batman movies. It got us Batman Begins, did it not? The Lost Boys is one of my top 5 horror movies of all time. Falling Down & 8mm are great dark psychological thrillers. The Client & A Time to Kill are about the most bearable courtroom dramas to come out of the era. Tigerland & Phone Booth are his best movies of the new millennia.
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1:24AM on 05/27/2014
I'm guessing you haven't seen any of his more recent "films". A teenager could have made Blood Creek. Trespass was one of the worst movies of the year. 8mm was almost 20 years ago, Falling Down was entertaining, but could have easily been a comedy. The Client and Time To Kill are true classics, they don't outweigh the bad.
I'm guessing you haven't seen any of his more recent "films". A teenager could have made Blood Creek. Trespass was one of the worst movies of the year. 8mm was almost 20 years ago, Falling Down was entertaining, but could have easily been a comedy. The Client and Time To Kill are true classics, they don't outweigh the bad.
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1:00PM on 05/26/2014
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Guilty
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12:56PM on 05/26/2014

If only for one line that still pisses me off...

It was when he was promoting Batman Forever (not even Batman and Robin!), he said, "there's a lot of comedy in it - because HELLLLOOOO, they're called COMIC books!" From that moment on I wanted to eviscerate the man.
It was when he was promoting Batman Forever (not even Batman and Robin!), he said, "there's a lot of comedy in it - because HELLLLOOOO, they're called COMIC books!" From that moment on I wanted to eviscerate the man.
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12:05PM on 05/26/2014

Isn't he already in movie jail?

Again, this column can be fun when the "defendant" is someone who is still making important projects on a regular basis but when that often brief period is over, there is no point in kicking someone who is already down. That means no actress over 40 should ever be named unless - like Jennifer Anniston - they can still be considered A-lister, and directors like Schumaker - who were once given big studio projects but whose career never fully recovered from a big flop - should also get a pass.
Again, this column can be fun when the "defendant" is someone who is still making important projects on a regular basis but when that often brief period is over, there is no point in kicking someone who is already down. That means no actress over 40 should ever be named unless - like Jennifer Anniston - they can still be considered A-lister, and directors like Schumaker - who were once given big studio projects but whose career never fully recovered from a big flop - should also get a pass. It's hard enough to succeed in Hollywood, no one should be blamed for failing without the proper tools.
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2:17PM on 05/26/2014
Well said
Well said
12:02PM on 05/26/2014

The defense is stronger than I'd realized.

This is one of those cases where I don't think he can be convicted per say, but brought before a civil court, you're looking at a huge settlement.
This is one of those cases where I don't think he can be convicted per say, but brought before a civil court, you're looking at a huge settlement.
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11:41AM on 05/26/2014
Phantom of the Opera was grand and well done, just could've used a better singer than Gerard Butler. He Russell Crowed Phantom before Russell Russell Crowed Javert.

I think Phantom, Phone Booth, and Lost Boys should be enough to keep him out of movie jail.

He also gave us the worst Batman movie of all time. I think that's a good thing... A. It's fun to watch drunk with friends, B. It kicked Warner Bros ass into gear much like Die Another Day and Moonraker both made the Bond franchise
Phantom of the Opera was grand and well done, just could've used a better singer than Gerard Butler. He Russell Crowed Phantom before Russell Russell Crowed Javert.

I think Phantom, Phone Booth, and Lost Boys should be enough to keep him out of movie jail.

He also gave us the worst Batman movie of all time. I think that's a good thing... A. It's fun to watch drunk with friends, B. It kicked Warner Bros ass into gear much like Die Another Day and Moonraker both made the Bond franchise take a step back and realize how silly they were getting.
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11:23AM on 05/26/2014

So Guilty

Yes, he made one or two decent movies (FALLING DOWN) but the crap outweighs the gems, IMO. I've always considered him a hack, and it appears Hollywood has lost faith in him, too.
Yes, he made one or two decent movies (FALLING DOWN) but the crap outweighs the gems, IMO. I've always considered him a hack, and it appears Hollywood has lost faith in him, too.
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11:10AM on 05/26/2014
The guy made Falling Down... A Time To Kill... 8mm and Phone Booth.. some of my favorite flicks. I liked Batman Forever but agree Batman & Robin lacked BUT I can see what he was trying to do... make a more comic bookey movie with vibrant colors and more fun. Yes it failed on the last one but even Spielberg made 1941 which I hated! But the movies I named up top are a few of my favorites and they more than make up for the few missteps he has had
The guy made Falling Down... A Time To Kill... 8mm and Phone Booth.. some of my favorite flicks. I liked Batman Forever but agree Batman & Robin lacked BUT I can see what he was trying to do... make a more comic bookey movie with vibrant colors and more fun. Yes it failed on the last one but even Spielberg made 1941 which I hated! But the movies I named up top are a few of my favorites and they more than make up for the few missteps he has had
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3:30PM on 05/26/2014
That's exactly why movies of the 90's were the best and so fun to watch. Movies weren't taken so serious and ripped to shreds by everyone on the internet if they did something wrong or different. When they make movies today they have to walk on egg shells because they are so afraid of pissing people off on Twitter and making a tsunami of hate come at them so they play it safe which leads to boring.
That's exactly why movies of the 90's were the best and so fun to watch. Movies weren't taken so serious and ripped to shreds by everyone on the internet if they did something wrong or different. When they make movies today they have to walk on egg shells because they are so afraid of pissing people off on Twitter and making a tsunami of hate come at them so they play it safe which leads to boring.
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10:59AM on 05/26/2014

He's the equivalent of the friend...

... who says inapropriate things but means well and you can't really hate him for that. And that's why I say "Probation".

If you read interviews and watch the behind-the-scenes, you'll see that he always tries his best even when his vision is wrong. He originally wanted to adapt BATMAN YEAR ONE. The studios told him they wanted something for kids, and he was like "Oh, OK. No problem. I'll make a movie that's as close as possible to the 1960s show". BATMAN FOREVER was a dissapointment at the
... who says inapropriate things but means well and you can't really hate him for that. And that's why I say "Probation".

If you read interviews and watch the behind-the-scenes, you'll see that he always tries his best even when his vision is wrong. He originally wanted to adapt BATMAN YEAR ONE. The studios told him they wanted something for kids, and he was like "Oh, OK. No problem. I'll make a movie that's as close as possible to the 1960s show". BATMAN FOREVER was a dissapointment at the time mainly because it came after the world had gotten used to the idea that a super-hero movie could be dark. You gotta admit Schumacher does have a good eye for visuals (he started his career as a costume and production designer). If he had used that colourful style in a different movie, it probably would've been better. But there was no excuse for BATMAN & ROBIN.

Most novelists feel dissatisfied when their books are adapted. But John Grisham has said that he considers Schumacher the only one who truly "gets" it, based on THE CLIENT and A TIME TO KILL (I haven't seen them). He also wanted the title character in THE PHANTOM OF THE OPERA (a passable movie) to be as human as possible. You also have to give him credit for the great PHONE BOOTH. How many directors can pull off a movie like that? FALLING DOWN is very good too. It's only flaw is the confusion with the main character's motivations. THE NUMBER 23's main flaw was the ending which turned it into a terrible movie, but before that it was a passable thriller.
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10:09AM on 05/26/2014
This is a tough one. Batman & Robin is utter crap, and Forever only slightly less so. I'm a huge Batman fan and those two movies are an insult.

Then there's garbage like Bad Company, Trespass or Blood Creek (how in the hell do you make undead nazi vampires boring?)

BUT, there's some legitimately good stuff in Schumacher's filmography: Falling Down is great, I've liked Flatliners since I was a wee teenager (it could do without the "ready for teen magazine covers except for Oliver Platt"
This is a tough one. Batman & Robin is utter crap, and Forever only slightly less so. I'm a huge Batman fan and those two movies are an insult.

Then there's garbage like Bad Company, Trespass or Blood Creek (how in the hell do you make undead nazi vampires boring?)

BUT, there's some legitimately good stuff in Schumacher's filmography: Falling Down is great, I've liked Flatliners since I was a wee teenager (it could do without the "ready for teen magazine covers except for Oliver Platt" cast, though; damn, that movie is SO 90s), 8mm is way underrated and Phone Booth was a great experiment.

I say Not Guilty, but barely.
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9:56AM on 05/26/2014
Very interesting choice of defendant, I was just thinking whether or not he'd been on the stand and was sure he had. I was surprised to see he had directed some episodes of the excellent, excellent House of Cards.

As a big Batman fan, I should be the first to cry guilty, but I think he's only a little guiltier than Tim Burton is. Hear me out - both are directors who need to be restrained. Unrestrained, Joel Schumacher put nipples on the Batsuit. Unrestrained, Tim Burton had the Penguin
Very interesting choice of defendant, I was just thinking whether or not he'd been on the stand and was sure he had. I was surprised to see he had directed some episodes of the excellent, excellent House of Cards.

As a big Batman fan, I should be the first to cry guilty, but I think he's only a little guiltier than Tim Burton is. Hear me out - both are directors who need to be restrained. Unrestrained, Joel Schumacher put nipples on the Batsuit. Unrestrained, Tim Burton had the Penguin raised by actual penguins, with Catwoman defenestrated and that brought back to life by some kind of cat magic.

I love the Phantom of the Opera stage musical as well and while Schumacher's adaptation is certainly disappointing, it is not an utter desecration of the source material the way Batman and Robin was for Batman. And I think the blame also falls on whoever yelled the word "toyetic" in Schumacher's face one too many times. I think he actually announced he fully intended to make a more serious Batman film, adapted from Batman: Year One, and I think that if he was instructed to, it wouldn't be all that bad. A dark Batman film with a dash of camp would be an improvement over Forever and Batman and Robin; I think that's what Schumacher could've given us under the right circumstances.

I'm not letting him totally get off the hook for the Batman films but there's a lot more to his filmography than the Batman movies. While I thought Phone Booth had a disappointing payoff, that lies in the script. It was really well-directed and watching the behind the scenes material, you see just how hard Schumacher and his entire cast and crew had to work to film the movie in 10 days (most film shoots last about a month). So I'm going with probation at the worst. Then again, bewilderingly bad stuff like Trespass.
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9:42AM on 05/26/2014

Guilty

Put the Batman nipple suit on him as a straitjacket and throw him in jail
Put the Batman nipple suit on him as a straitjacket and throw him in jail
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9:28AM on 05/26/2014

Guilty

Schumacher's had a small number of decent flicks among many stinkers. He lacks a subtle touch...I don't even like his Grisham adaptations. Let him share a cell with Renny Harlin.
Schumacher's had a small number of decent flicks among many stinkers. He lacks a subtle touch...I don't even like his Grisham adaptations. Let him share a cell with Renny Harlin.
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9:27AM on 05/26/2014

Guilty!

Come on!!

Other than Flatliners and Phonebooth... Batman alone should send him to the guillotine!
Come on!!

Other than Flatliners and Phonebooth... Batman alone should send him to the guillotine!
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9:10AM on 05/26/2014

A reasonable doubt.

I kind of feel bad for Schumacher. The man made some good movies in his career, and Falling Down is, in my estimation, a masterpiece. I still expect Batman & Robin to sink him (though I agree Forever isn't THAT bad, though it contains Tommy Lee Jones' worst role). Which is too bad. He's not the greatest director in the world, but more than competent when he gets the right script. He's also the reason folks in the states know who Colin Farrell is.
I kind of feel bad for Schumacher. The man made some good movies in his career, and Falling Down is, in my estimation, a masterpiece. I still expect Batman & Robin to sink him (though I agree Forever isn't THAT bad, though it contains Tommy Lee Jones' worst role). Which is too bad. He's not the greatest director in the world, but more than competent when he gets the right script. He's also the reason folks in the states know who Colin Farrell is.
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9:02AM on 05/26/2014

I guess not guilty...

As the user below pointed out it's hard to balance his good side with his bad side... He never made a masterpiece, but did some good & impressive movies like Falling Down (IMO, his best work to date), The Lost Boys (Good one), Flatliners (good but yet I think it could have work better with someone like the great David Cronenberg behind the camera), The Client & A Time to Kill (I think he really understands John Grisham's vision as I find both of this movies very effective), Phone Booth
As the user below pointed out it's hard to balance his good side with his bad side... He never made a masterpiece, but did some good & impressive movies like Falling Down (IMO, his best work to date), The Lost Boys (Good one), Flatliners (good but yet I think it could have work better with someone like the great David Cronenberg behind the camera), The Client & A Time to Kill (I think he really understands John Grisham's vision as I find both of this movies very effective), Phone Booth (surprisingly good) and also on the other hand there are movies like Flawless, Tigerland and Veronica Guerin who work just fine thanks to the impressive work by P.S.Hoffman, C. Farrell and C. Blanchet respectively. And I think that The Phantom of the Opera should be on the other side of the law, since it was very good, even though I'd like to see a darker version of it in the future...
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8:51AM on 05/26/2014

Sorry, folks!

Guilty! The two batman flicks are enough to get him life without the possibility of parole.
Guilty! The two batman flicks are enough to get him life without the possibility of parole.
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8:37AM on 05/26/2014

Tough choice...

of course his batmans are awfull, but there is prescription, and looking back, he is king of responsable of the reboot... Except the batmans whicj nobody can forgive him, he never made bad movies and he has some incredibles films of his own : Falling Down is a great movie, AND TIGERLAND is one of my all time favorite unknown war movies !
NO GUILTY
of course his batmans are awfull, but there is prescription, and looking back, he is king of responsable of the reboot... Except the batmans whicj nobody can forgive him, he never made bad movies and he has some incredibles films of his own : Falling Down is a great movie, AND TIGERLAND is one of my all time favorite unknown war movies !
NO GUILTY
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8:35AM on 05/26/2014
I'd say not guilty. I like Batman Forever but hate Batman & Robin. I feel before Batman Forever, he was a great director with his own style, i.e. Flatliners or Falling Down (which I think it's his best movie). However, after Batman & Robin, how bad the movie was really affected him as Phone Booth or Veronica Guerin could have been something but they still scarred with Batman & Robin's shadow. I'd say Phone Booth is his best post-Batman & Robin. Overall, not guilty.
I'd say not guilty. I like Batman Forever but hate Batman & Robin. I feel before Batman Forever, he was a great director with his own style, i.e. Flatliners or Falling Down (which I think it's his best movie). However, after Batman & Robin, how bad the movie was really affected him as Phone Booth or Veronica Guerin could have been something but they still scarred with Batman & Robin's shadow. I'd say Phone Booth is his best post-Batman & Robin. Overall, not guilty.
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8:28AM on 05/26/2014
Hard to say, I mean the balance between good and bad its tough with his movies....I would say gulity because his bad movies put him down more.
Hard to say, I mean the balance between good and bad its tough with his movies....I would say gulity because his bad movies put him down more.
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8:07AM on 05/26/2014
Guilty because of Batman!
Guilty because of Batman!
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8:02AM on 05/26/2014

Guilty.

But i'll always give him credit for Flatliners. Bad Company felt like a wasted opportunity.
But i'll always give him credit for Flatliners. Bad Company felt like a wasted opportunity.
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