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11.23.2011

Mark my words: The biggest box office bomb of 2012 will be JOHN CARTER.

Why so harsh? I just don't understand how Disney though this was a tentpole franchise worth pouring so much money into. There's already been data that says the film will have to make $700M worldwide to warrant a sequel thanks to enormous production costs at $250M and a marketing budget bigger than that.

Blockbusters make that much all the time these days, right? What's the problem? The issue is in every theater where I've sat through the trailer, the general response has been a collective "what the f*ck was that about?"

Only sci-fi devotees know anything about the universe of John Carter, and the trailer which mashes up the Civil War era with Mars doesn't make any sense to anyone unfamiliar with the story (which is nearly everyone). Even covering this movie for months, I still can't give you a definitely few sentences that explain what this movie is about.

It's going to need more than giant CGI white apes (seen above via EW) to impress audiences, and I think Disney needs to brace themselves unless this film can somehow be way, way better than its concept and marketing.

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Extra Tidbit: "Transplanted to Mars, a Civil War vet discovers a lush planet inhabited by 12-foot tall barbarians. Finding himself a prisoner of these creatures, he escapes, only to encounter a princess who is in desperate need of a savior." Yeah, OK.
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1:56AM on 11/26/2011
I'm on team Magilla.
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3:04PM on 11/25/2011
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1:53AM on 11/25/2011
Why are you bitching about Hollywood adapting a book because you don't know what it is about yet or it is from a old books. They could be rebooting more 70s and 80s movies. I hope this movie kicks ass. Only thing I would bitch about is Taylor K playing the lead. Lame casting.
Why are you bitching about Hollywood adapting a book because you don't know what it is about yet or it is from a old books. They could be rebooting more 70s and 80s movies. I hope this movie kicks ass. Only thing I would bitch about is Taylor K playing the lead. Lame casting.
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10:51AM on 11/25/2011
Apparently this writer has never heard of "Google".
Apparently this writer has never heard of "Google".
1:17PM on 11/25/2011
Oh no. He has. It's all he uses...
Oh no. He has. It's all he uses...
1:53AM on 11/25/2011
Why are you bitching about Hollywood adapting a book because you don't know what it is about yet or it is from a old books. They could be rebooting more 70s and 80s movies. I hope this movie kicks ass. Only thing I would bitch about is Taylor K playing the lead. Lame casting.
Why are you bitching about Hollywood adapting a book because you don't know what it is about yet or it is from a old books. They could be rebooting more 70s and 80s movies. I hope this movie kicks ass. Only thing I would bitch about is Taylor K playing the lead. Lame casting.
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12:07AM on 11/25/2011

Agree. This will bomb.

and it will be deadly for a whole bunch of Disney executives.
and it will be deadly for a whole bunch of Disney executives.
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9:45AM on 11/24/2011

Down on article, up on JC

I actually thought the first teasers were impressive, with a good dose of imagery and music to make audiences curious to see it. Wasn't that the point of a "teaser"? The subsequent trailers add some of the plot, but it doesn't give the whole damn story away like most trailers these days. Is that what you'd prefer, Paul? I've read the first JCofM book and enjoyed it a hell of a lot more than I though I would, so I'm going to give this movie a chance. I'm looking forward to it, and recommend
I actually thought the first teasers were impressive, with a good dose of imagery and music to make audiences curious to see it. Wasn't that the point of a "teaser"? The subsequent trailers add some of the plot, but it doesn't give the whole damn story away like most trailers these days. Is that what you'd prefer, Paul? I've read the first JCofM book and enjoyed it a hell of a lot more than I though I would, so I'm going to give this movie a chance. I'm looking forward to it, and recommend you suspend your disbelief long enough to approach it with an open mind, Paul. (after all, isn't that what going to the movies is all about?)
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9:42AM on 11/24/2011

Said it before, and I'll say it again

The marketing for this movie reminds me of Avatar's. Where they give you almost no information and basically say "you have to see it to know what its about". Will it work? I have no idea, but it has me sold on Andrew Stanton and Tim Riggins alone.
The marketing for this movie reminds me of Avatar's. Where they give you almost no information and basically say "you have to see it to know what its about". Will it work? I have no idea, but it has me sold on Andrew Stanton and Tim Riggins alone.
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1:53AM on 11/24/2011
Should we be voting green if we support the article or green if we support the movie?
Should we be voting green if we support the article or green if we support the movie?
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10:56PM on 11/23/2011

I believe in Andrew Stanton.

This movie may bomb because of bad marketing but that guy knows story.
This movie may bomb because of bad marketing but that guy knows story.
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10:11PM on 11/23/2011
what a bullshit article... I like the director of this film and will give it a shot for sure, but come on your *extratidbit doesnt sound like a movie fan to me, it sounds like a cynical asshole smh. my2cents
what a bullshit article... I like the director of this film and will give it a shot for sure, but come on your *extratidbit doesnt sound like a movie fan to me, it sounds like a cynical asshole smh. my2cents
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10:21PM on 11/23/2011
Dude watch it big bro is reading this don't be to harsh they will kick you off. but yes I agree
Dude watch it big bro is reading this don't be to harsh they will kick you off. but yes I agree
1:55AM on 11/25/2011
Ha Ha, so true.
Ha Ha, so true.
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10:07PM on 11/23/2011
One more rant:
Why do heroes have to be pretty boys nowadays? I don't buy into an early 1900's common man having such sharp reptilian facial features like Taylor Kitsch.
One more rant:
Why do heroes have to be pretty boys nowadays? I don't buy into an early 1900's common man having such sharp reptilian facial features like Taylor Kitsch.
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10:02PM on 11/23/2011
I'm worried this arena battle will be spectacularly illogical like the one in Attack of the Clones. Giant, fast-moving monsters being outmaneuvered by slow, weak targets. Who can forget Obi-wan dodging a giant pincer by simply twitching his head a couple inches to one side? I hope we can dodge meteors that way too.
I'm worried this arena battle will be spectacularly illogical like the one in Attack of the Clones. Giant, fast-moving monsters being outmaneuvered by slow, weak targets. Who can forget Obi-wan dodging a giant pincer by simply twitching his head a couple inches to one side? I hope we can dodge meteors that way too.
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1:56AM on 11/25/2011
That scene was great, one of the bright spots of Ep. 2.
That scene was great, one of the bright spots of Ep. 2.
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9:51PM on 11/23/2011
As time goes by, it seems like I come to this site less to read about movie news, and more to gawk at the rampant unprofessionalism in the articles.

Thanks Paul. You never disappoint.
As time goes by, it seems like I come to this site less to read about movie news, and more to gawk at the rampant unprofessionalism in the articles.

Thanks Paul. You never disappoint.
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5:43AM on 11/24/2011
I love this.
I love this.
8:15PM on 11/23/2011

Need Mars?

Would the "of Mars" that was removed from the title make it better or worse? I guess Disney saw their "Mars Needs Moms" and decided to get away from the Mars name entirely, but what do I know.
Would the "of Mars" that was removed from the title make it better or worse? I guess Disney saw their "Mars Needs Moms" and decided to get away from the Mars name entirely, but what do I know.
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8:46PM on 11/23/2011
That may have made sense 6 months ago. But it's been 9 months since Mars Needs Moms was released, and who honestly remembers that film now, much less in four or five months from now when Joehn Carter is released?
That may have made sense 6 months ago. But it's been 9 months since Mars Needs Moms was released, and who honestly remembers that film now, much less in four or five months from now when Joehn Carter is released?
10:18PM on 11/23/2011
Joehn Carter? You should really proofread before you try and look smart. Just saying.
Joehn Carter? You should really proofread before you try and look smart. Just saying.
12:49AM on 11/24/2011
Really? A typo is getting your undies in a bunch?
Really? A typo is getting your undies in a bunch?
7:36PM on 11/23/2011

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7:11PM on 11/23/2011
Don't understand the biased hate with which this article is written. Aside from being unprofessional, I don't see why the author or any of the readers here are so upset because Disney has chosen to spend so much money on a 100 year old pulp sci-fi book series. At least it's original and Disney has the cash to spend if they feel like it. I don't get it. People bitch and whine about sequels and remakes and then when a studio makes a film from an original source, you bitch and whine about that. If
Don't understand the biased hate with which this article is written. Aside from being unprofessional, I don't see why the author or any of the readers here are so upset because Disney has chosen to spend so much money on a 100 year old pulp sci-fi book series. At least it's original and Disney has the cash to spend if they feel like it. I don't get it. People bitch and whine about sequels and remakes and then when a studio makes a film from an original source, you bitch and whine about that. If the film fails at least they tried to do something original.And haven't we all learned yet that trailers can be deceiving? The books are really imaginative and fun so wait till the film comes out before you bury it.
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7:30PM on 11/23/2011
I pretty much agree, one of the reasons I'm looking forward to this movie is that it's not a remake, it's new source material.
But I think the main problem folks are griping about is the poor marketing campaign. That's where the problem really is.
Also, I think you meant biased. But, all articles are biased one way or another.
I pretty much agree, one of the reasons I'm looking forward to this movie is that it's not a remake, it's new source material.
But I think the main problem folks are griping about is the poor marketing campaign. That's where the problem really is.
Also, I think you meant biased. But, all articles are biased one way or another.
7:41PM on 11/23/2011
It really is pretty funny. The article also goes on to bash the film for not giving away enough in the trailer...because as we all know, what everyone wants is a trailer that tells you everything.
It really is pretty funny. The article also goes on to bash the film for not giving away enough in the trailer...because as we all know, what everyone wants is a trailer that tells you everything.
7:48PM on 11/23/2011
I don't think anyone is asking for a trailer that gives away everything. Though, for a book written in 1912, I don't know how many spoilers there really are.
I do think an alteration in their lackluster marketing campaign is in order though, and it's certainly still early enough to change course.
For instance, they either need to reclaim the Mars portion of the title, or give it a subtitle such as John Carter: A Princess of Mars. Much in the same manner as Star Wars: A New Hope.
Second,
I don't think anyone is asking for a trailer that gives away everything. Though, for a book written in 1912, I don't know how many spoilers there really are.
I do think an alteration in their lackluster marketing campaign is in order though, and it's certainly still early enough to change course.
For instance, they either need to reclaim the Mars portion of the title, or give it a subtitle such as John Carter: A Princess of Mars. Much in the same manner as Star Wars: A New Hope.
Second, they need to really showcase the sword & sorcery mixed with sci-fi flavor of the piece. Giving us a better look at this set for instance might help:
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8:20PM on 11/23/2011
I agree, MonsterZeroNJ. Immature and unprofessional. It needs to be proof read too...
I agree, MonsterZeroNJ. Immature and unprofessional. It needs to be proof read too...
10:25PM on 11/23/2011
Meka Leka Hi Meka Hiney Ho!
Meka Leka Hi Meka Hiney Ho!
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6:47PM on 11/23/2011
I've always thought this movie looked and sound stupid. Now I'm not hating on Andrew Stanton because I think he is a great director but I agree with many of the article's points. When the trailer first came out I said that it didn't seem very special and that seemed like a rip off of Prince of Persia and everyone brought down the negatives. This movie is gonna bomb.
I've always thought this movie looked and sound stupid. Now I'm not hating on Andrew Stanton because I think he is a great director but I agree with many of the article's points. When the trailer first came out I said that it didn't seem very special and that seemed like a rip off of Prince of Persia and everyone brought down the negatives. This movie is gonna bomb.
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6:34PM on 11/23/2011

Payola Against Carter??

From the time this project was announced, this site has been badmouthing and bitchslapping this film. What has Andrew Stanton ever done to you? Ok, I agree 100% they've done a lame ass job in pre - promotion, but this be Disney, the masters of Marketing, I think they'll do just fine. Um...Pirates of the Caribbean, anyone? worst franchise in history, billions in the bank. Until you actually SEE A FINISHED CUT of the film, I'd reserve your negativity.
From the time this project was announced, this site has been badmouthing and bitchslapping this film. What has Andrew Stanton ever done to you? Ok, I agree 100% they've done a lame ass job in pre - promotion, but this be Disney, the masters of Marketing, I think they'll do just fine. Um...Pirates of the Caribbean, anyone? worst franchise in history, billions in the bank. Until you actually SEE A FINISHED CUT of the film, I'd reserve your negativity.
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2:29AM on 11/25/2011
Pirates = WORST Franchise ever?? holy shit dude you havent seen many movie franchises have you?
Pirates = WORST Franchise ever?? holy shit dude you havent seen many movie franchises have you?
1:49PM on 11/25/2011
You are mistaking success with quality. I believe in Andrew Stanton. But I don't believe this movie will be sequelized(which considering that there are multiple books, would be desirable). It's too much in the hole.
You are mistaking success with quality. I believe in Andrew Stanton. But I don't believe this movie will be sequelized(which considering that there are multiple books, would be desirable). It's too much in the hole.
6:21PM on 11/23/2011

This movie manages to

rip off every other sci-fi movie. I believe it's going to suck. But I prob will see it anyways.
rip off every other sci-fi movie. I believe it's going to suck. But I prob will see it anyways.
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7:32PM on 11/23/2011
The first John Carter story was written in 1912. How can it rip off every other sci-fi movie?
The first John Carter story was written in 1912. How can it rip off every other sci-fi movie?
8:21PM on 11/23/2011
I love comments like this. So stupid.
I love comments like this. So stupid.
5:57PM on 11/23/2011

wasnt this APE also in....

MUMMY III? sorry that was the Abominable Snowmen that punted guys like footballs?
I'm sorry but Hollywood WILL NEVER learn their lesson, and they need to learn more than one:
1) budgets LIKE THIS ONE can, need and MUST be scaled back to a more moderate controlled level.
2) their first example of an atrocious overbloated "tentpole" movie was Waterworld. 'Nuff said
3)Hollywood loves to spend money, we all know that... Hollywood also likes to blame everything and everyone for their movie not
MUMMY III? sorry that was the Abominable Snowmen that punted guys like footballs?
I'm sorry but Hollywood WILL NEVER learn their lesson, and they need to learn more than one:
1) budgets LIKE THIS ONE can, need and MUST be scaled back to a more moderate controlled level.
2) their first example of an atrocious overbloated "tentpole" movie was Waterworld. 'Nuff said
3)Hollywood loves to spend money, we all know that... Hollywood also likes to blame everything and everyone for their movie not making it's money back, this includes the actors, the director, the writers - EVERYBODY.
4) so if John Carter of Mars doesnt cover it's own ass (that ridiculous $700mill) the movie will be labeled as one of the biggest flops of the 21st century.. thats kind of unfair, since somebody should have realized it doesnt take $250mill to shoot a movie in the desert and call it mars... hell, for $250mil you could have relocated the entire CAST, CREW and everybody ELSE to MARS and filmed on location... LOL.
JCofMars = 2012 BOX OFFICE BOMB
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7:09PM on 11/23/2011
I think that history has shown that you can't blast a film or a studio just for an inflated budget. If you remember, studios, execs, and experts were all getting ready to panic at one point when Avatar's budget kept growing. It seemed like they were ashamed to admit how much it was costing to save face if it failed but we all know the end result. Before that, Mel Gibson had to fund The Passion himself because the studio thought it was too expensive of a passion project and no one wanted to
I think that history has shown that you can't blast a film or a studio just for an inflated budget. If you remember, studios, execs, and experts were all getting ready to panic at one point when Avatar's budget kept growing. It seemed like they were ashamed to admit how much it was costing to save face if it failed but we all know the end result. Before that, Mel Gibson had to fund The Passion himself because the studio thought it was too expensive of a passion project and no one wanted to "throw away" 30 or 40 mil. Before that, Titanic cost $200 mil which experts found hard to swallow and Terminator 2 was predicted to fail by many because it was the first film to cost more than $100 mil. Sometimes it takes large budgets to make a great film.

That being said, John Carter looks awful and I have no problem with people predicting its upcoming failures. I just think you can't generalize lessons for Hollywood based on failures but overlook its successes.
7:59PM on 11/23/2011
Waterworld made money (it was a huge hit on video and overseas).
Waterworld made money (it was a huge hit on video and overseas).
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5:48PM on 11/23/2011
I'm inclined to agree. The film was a strange mash-up and my one pervasive question is: how does he go from Civil War era Earth to Mars? The trailer was lackluster, containing little of the wow factor that is necessary for a film this size to get people enticed. These days, nifty special fx aren't enough to put butts in seats.
I'm inclined to agree. The film was a strange mash-up and my one pervasive question is: how does he go from Civil War era Earth to Mars? The trailer was lackluster, containing little of the wow factor that is necessary for a film this size to get people enticed. These days, nifty special fx aren't enough to put butts in seats.
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5:54PM on 11/23/2011
Well, it's been 20 years since I've read it but if I recall correctly, the move from Earth to Mars has more to do with a kind of astral projection than it does with an actual space ship. We have to keep in mind when the story was written. But someone can correct me if I'm wrong on this.
Well, it's been 20 years since I've read it but if I recall correctly, the move from Earth to Mars has more to do with a kind of astral projection than it does with an actual space ship. We have to keep in mind when the story was written. But someone can correct me if I'm wrong on this.
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5:29PM on 11/23/2011
No way of knowing whether it'll bomb or not, but it's got my money after that awesome trailer I saw on the PotC 4 blu-ray. (And I have no previous knowledge of the property whatsoever.)
No way of knowing whether it'll bomb or not, but it's got my money after that awesome trailer I saw on the PotC 4 blu-ray. (And I have no previous knowledge of the property whatsoever.)
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5:25PM on 11/23/2011
This movie is going to be a lot bigger than some of you think. This is exactly the kind of movie that the international market eats up. I'm betting that it pulls in a billion worldwide.
This movie is going to be a lot bigger than some of you think. This is exactly the kind of movie that the international market eats up. I'm betting that it pulls in a billion worldwide.
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5:05PM on 11/23/2011

DUH!!!

I Have NOT Posted On this Website In A Minute!!! I Don'T Think This Movie Will get 500,00o Dolllars On Opening weekend!!!
I Have NOT Posted On this Website In A Minute!!! I Don'T Think This Movie Will get 500,00o Dolllars On Opening weekend!!!
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4:45PM on 11/23/2011
Honestly I think anyone who writes off an Andrew Stanton film 3 months before it comes out is pretty fucking stupid.
You would think a movie website would be excited about a studio giving someone as talented as Andrew Stanton a huge big budget project with a cast that includes Willem Dafoe, Mark Strong, Samantha Morton, Bryan Cranston, Dominic Cooper, etc., but what do I know. Let's instead complain about one CGI image taken completely out of context.
Honestly I think anyone who writes off an Andrew Stanton film 3 months before it comes out is pretty fucking stupid.
You would think a movie website would be excited about a studio giving someone as talented as Andrew Stanton a huge big budget project with a cast that includes Willem Dafoe, Mark Strong, Samantha Morton, Bryan Cranston, Dominic Cooper, etc., but what do I know. Let's instead complain about one CGI image taken completely out of context.
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4:56PM on 11/23/2011
Amen, brother.
Amen, brother.
5:51PM on 11/23/2011
I can't speak for others, but for myself, I'm not writing off Andre Stanton or the film itself.

Rather, what I'm writing off is the marketing campaign. That's where the problem really is.
I can't speak for others, but for myself, I'm not writing off Andre Stanton or the film itself.

Rather, what I'm writing off is the marketing campaign. That's where the problem really is.
6:35PM on 11/23/2011
Amen to that.
Amen to that.
1:45PM on 11/25/2011
I'm writing off Disney for pouring so much into something that could have had a better chance if they hadn't put all their eggs in one basket.
I'm writing off Disney for pouring so much into something that could have had a better chance if they hadn't put all their eggs in one basket.
1:54PM on 11/25/2011
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a lot of movies are bashed before they are seen or even made. People here thought a Facebook movie was the most stupid idea ever. In the end it was nominated for eight Oscars and won three of them.
When Heath Ledger was cast as the Joker nobody here thought it would work and now he's the the definitive Joker.
When Daniel Craig was first announced as James Bond a lot of people didn't agree with it and later everybody said Casino Royal was the best JB ever.

Welcome to the
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a lot of movies are bashed before they are seen or even made. People here thought a Facebook movie was the most stupid idea ever. In the end it was nominated for eight Oscars and won three of them.
When Heath Ledger was cast as the Joker nobody here thought it would work and now he's the the definitive Joker.
When Daniel Craig was first announced as James Bond a lot of people didn't agree with it and later everybody said Casino Royal was the best JB ever.

Welcome to the internet where people like to complain with prejudice.

I'm pretty open to anything, but this movie -based on the trailers- doesn't entice me one bit, so that's why I'm one of the nego's who thinks it will bomb.
4:29PM on 11/23/2011
I read a few John Carter novels as younger, and they were pretty good. And movie might be good as well. But yeah, it's not exactly Star Trek, or something instantly recognizable, is it? It might even make lot of money, but 700 million? Don't think so.
I read a few John Carter novels as younger, and they were pretty good. And movie might be good as well. But yeah, it's not exactly Star Trek, or something instantly recognizable, is it? It might even make lot of money, but 700 million? Don't think so.
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4:26PM on 11/23/2011

What I don't understand is...

Disney took the "From Mars" off the title b/c of "Mars needs Moms." so what they are saying is people are so stupid they'll immediately think of a flopped movie (i dont even remember what it looked like and im a movie fan) and not want to see this? So they'd run and see "John Carter?" I immediately think of John Connor first of all, and second of all, i bet people will see this commercial, then see "John Connor" on a marquee and not even realize it's the same movie.

and the first trailer
Disney took the "From Mars" off the title b/c of "Mars needs Moms." so what they are saying is people are so stupid they'll immediately think of a flopped movie (i dont even remember what it looked like and im a movie fan) and not want to see this? So they'd run and see "John Carter?" I immediately think of John Connor first of all, and second of all, i bet people will see this commercial, then see "John Connor" on a marquee and not even realize it's the same movie.

and the first trailer was a disaster.
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4:45PM on 11/23/2011
totally, john carter makes me think of an historical epic or biopic. something bad directed by some hack.
totally, john carter makes me think of an historical epic or biopic. something bad directed by some hack.
3:49PM on 11/23/2011
I immediately got Attack of the Clones vibes.. bad sign.
I immediately got Attack of the Clones vibes.. bad sign.
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4:49PM on 11/23/2011
thought the exact same thing
thought the exact same thing
3:31PM on 11/23/2011
I have to grudgingly agree with you.
I'm really looking forward to this movie, and I think it looks great so far, but I already know what John Carter of Mars is.
Those who don't, yeah, I can see why it would look a bit generic to them.
They need to fire their marketing dept, and hire a new one asap.
I have to grudgingly agree with you.
I'm really looking forward to this movie, and I think it looks great so far, but I already know what John Carter of Mars is.
Those who don't, yeah, I can see why it would look a bit generic to them.
They need to fire their marketing dept, and hire a new one asap.
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2:21PM on 11/23/2011
I feel sorry for Andrew Stanton when/if this one bombs. I mean, one can always be optimistic, but yeah, the cards are definitely stacked against this one.
I feel sorry for Andrew Stanton when/if this one bombs. I mean, one can always be optimistic, but yeah, the cards are definitely stacked against this one.
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2:04PM on 11/23/2011
It's like Conan on a different planet isn't it?
It's like Conan on a different planet isn't it?
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3:42PM on 11/23/2011
It's sword & sorcery mixed with sci fi. Think He-Man & The Masters of the Universe as the closest parallel, only not as kiddie.
It's sword & sorcery mixed with sci fi. Think He-Man & The Masters of the Universe as the closest parallel, only not as kiddie.
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