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08.20.2008

IGN have found a new banner for the Oliver Stone flick W, based of course, on the life of George W. Bush. Josh Brolin, Elizabeth Banks and Thandie Newton star. To be honest, I'm bored of this film already. I've spent hours defending Bush's presidency and this film just looks like its gonna fillet the guy for fun with a bunch of lazy digs. Although, not like I care at all, or know anything about politics -- mostly, my debates end with my poking fun at the other guy's hairstyle, or saying "so's your face". It's funny how humans have been on this planet for so long and have mastered the elements, yet are still to come up with a retort to that line.

Also, there's a behind-the-scenes video online that you can check out over HERE.
Extra Tidbit: Stone wrote a letter of recommendation for Claire Danes when she applied to Yale University.
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6:30PM on 08/22/2008
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10:19PM on 08/20/2008

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"smooveluv, so anyone who has no interest in the movie and thinks it's garbage and is tired of hearing the same, worn out insults, etc must be a Bush supporter??"

No, but if I was a gambling man, I'd say it's likely in your case - and your comments certainly present you at least as a Bush defender or apologist, whether you are aware of that perception or not.

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"we have not been attacked one time since 9/11, contrary to the liberal promoted
"smooveluv, so anyone who has no interest in the movie and thinks it's garbage and is tired of hearing the same, worn out insults, etc must be a Bush supporter??"

No, but if I was a gambling man, I'd say it's likely in your case - and your comments certainly present you at least as a Bush defender or apologist, whether you are aware of that perception or not.

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"we have not been attacked one time since 9/11, contrary to the liberal promoted propaganda"

I suppose if you consider the soldiers in Iraq not part of the collective "we" you could assert that. If you are talking about attacks on American soil, I'm not aware of any liberal propaganda asserting that we have been attacked. Please provide some documentation - I'd be very curious to read about these faux attacks. I also fail to see where this fits into the argument. It could just as easily be argued that we have not been attacked despite the administration, not because of it. I'd also be knocking on wood right about now.

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"Iraq has achieved many great things since we first went over there--this is based on what friends and family members who have served in the military have personally witnessed and observed while over there."

I'm sure that there have been some gains, but the net effect is destabilization to the country, and to the region. I'm sure it could be argued that in a sense we've "taken the fight to the enemy" but I'm not that comfortable with that argument, as it essentially says we are using our soldiers as bait to lure Al Q into a one geographical area. I'm sure some people don't have an issue with that, its just my opinion.

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"It's funny you ridicule the comment made about the WMDs being moved to Syria, because it's actually true, believe it or not."

I have no choice but NOT to believe it, because neither you, nor anybody else has been able to produce them. Either that's a fiction you are stating as fact, or our military intelligence is so poor that we bungled that operation as well. Are you stating that we should accept your word, without clear unverifiable proof, regarding something so important? If the government did find it, and is hiding it, then its consistent with their habit of keeping the American public in the dark. If we had found this material, wouldn't they be hoisting it up over our heads? Given everything that's gone on in this administration, I feel that the burden of proof falls on your side of the argument. Show me the money, or stop claiming that they are there. If the premise was to stop production and get our hands on those weapons, why isn't that argument being used to steamroll into Syria, and get the weapons that we know are there? And not in Lebanon. Or Iran. Or any number of other countries disenfranchised with our foreign policy.


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"Are people ever going to wake up and live in the real world?"

Clearly you are on another realm of reality above ours, one that we can't possibly hope to attain. Interesting that our paths intersect at a web site dedicated to movie gossip. If you are sensing sarcasm, your detector is not malfunctioning. Methinks you perceive an intellectual chasm between yourself and the plebiscites, that is less wide than you think it is. But I could be wrong, and Morpheus will come a knocking on my feeding chamber, to awaken me from my slumber.

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"CNN is bullshit. FOX is bullshit. It's all propaganda. The American public who view such news sources are being fooled by those who are paid to show you what the person behind the curtains wants you to see."

That's your opinion, but hardly relevant - I made no reference to CNN as a primary news source for me, unless you are interpreting my reference to Glenn Beck as such, which would be an incorrect conclusion. Perhaps you'd like to be part of the solution, rather than content to point out the problem, and provide us with your credible news sources. Or do you simply avoid the news media entirely, on principal? Of course, there is an alternative to avoiding "all propaganda" - take in as much news as possible, aggregate and parse it down, and use your own critical faculties to come to the most rational conclusion. Or I could just get my facts made up for me by conservative talk radio or Bill Maher. It's ironic that your criticism of the news media can be just as easily be made against the administration itself.

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"You don't have to be a Bush supporter or an absolute conservative to know this or to feel the way I do about it. "

That's true, but its not your paranoia of the news that makes me think you are either A: a conservative pretending not to be, in order to wear a pretend mantle of objectivity, or B: you are unaware of your own bias. It's mostly just everything else you are saying that makes me think that.

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"What one does for a living and how much money they make has absolutely NOTHING to do with their credibility."

True, but income strata have everything to do with what policies benefit voters, and recognizing what groups oppose or advocate those programs. Simply going back as recently as 1935, Republicans have serially voted against public assistance programs, using McCarthyism, the specter of death by taxation, and ideological fiery rhetoric to persuade the economically depressed to vote against programs that would directly benefit them. Social Security, Medicaid, Bilingual Education, Universal Healthcare, and Head Start are all programs that the financially distressed would benefit from - so when they vote according to party dogma, it's unintelligent. I'm not critiquing the lower class, I'm critiquing people of that group who vote for Republicans, without considering voting for programs that benefit them. I'd similarly accuse affluent people of voting against their economic interests by voting Democratic - but they have the benefit of expendable income and no threat to their standard of living, which makes such idiosyncratic behavior less self damaging. And they have nice "stuff" - so they must be smart.

Lest you accuse me of part of the machine that fuels the propaganda dissemination conspiracy, I'd be happy to produce source citation from several volumes that include direct quotes from politicians on both sides of the aisle to back this claim up.

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"Most of America is so Goddamn doped up anyway on anti-depressants and other such poisons that they're incapable of logical and rational thoughts."

Certainly I hope that's just a broad, insulting generalization (substitute "American" with any social minority group, and you'll see what that statement reads like) and not a direct accusation. Still the insinuation that anyone who doesn't share your opinion must somehow be hallucinating is troublesome - I suppose by trivializing the opposition, it saves you the trouble of questioning your own beliefs. I feel I am well served by my grasp of logic, and I've found several holes in yours. Incapable of rational thought? That's hyperbole. Make that a literal statement, and we'd find ourselves in some post-apocalyptic wasteland. If that's the case, I'm definitely canceling my last check to the Home Owner's Association.

EDIT: This statement, which is basically taking a dumping on "most" Americans directly contradicts your earlier defense of the common man, when you stated: "What one does for a living and how much money they make has absolutely NOTHING to do with their credibility." Or are you saying regardless of occupation or income bracket, we are all just equally lacking in our mental faculties? And I'm sure I've got my share of typos, but you might want to spell check and examine grammar before you throw the collective minds of "most of America" under a bus.

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"But as far as the subject at hand goes, there is no point to this movie. "


So you've seen it? Capital. Do tell. Where does Stone lose his point? Or did I misunderstand you? Maybe you were just saying that premise of this movie doesn't interest you, or that you are incapable of seeing anything new being brought to the table.

To the contrary, there is a great deal of point to the premise of making the film, in my opinion. Stone is unapologetically liberal, and a conspiracy nut to top it off. He's rushing to have it filmed, and he wants to persuade voters to vote democratic. It's manipulative, ballsy, and insulting to most Americans by thinking they are dumb enough to be so easily brainwashed. That's pretty descriptive of the tone of your argument, so in hindsight, your opposition to this film now confuses me.
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8:11PM on 08/20/2008
Sorry but defending Bush is just pointless. He has fucked up so much I find it hard to believe people still support him. They are like the people still supporting Kwame Kilpatrick here in Detroit. Just because you voted for them does not mean you have to be loyal to them. I supported Bush in 2000. Now I consider him an embarrassment to the nation. Lets face it, we are spending 10 BILLION dollars in Iraq each MONTH. However we are one of the few fully developed nations without universal
Sorry but defending Bush is just pointless. He has fucked up so much I find it hard to believe people still support him. They are like the people still supporting Kwame Kilpatrick here in Detroit. Just because you voted for them does not mean you have to be loyal to them. I supported Bush in 2000. Now I consider him an embarrassment to the nation. Lets face it, we are spending 10 BILLION dollars in Iraq each MONTH. However we are one of the few fully developed nations without universal healthcare.
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7:45PM on 08/20/2008
smooveluv, so anyone who has no interest in the movie and thinks it's garbage and is tired of hearing the same, worn out insults, etc must be a Bush supporter?? Nothing could be further from the truth, but do keep in mind people that we have not been attacked one time since 9/11, contrary to the liberal promoted propaganda, Iraq has achieved many great things since we first went over there--this is based on what friends and family members who have served in the military have personally
smooveluv, so anyone who has no interest in the movie and thinks it's garbage and is tired of hearing the same, worn out insults, etc must be a Bush supporter?? Nothing could be further from the truth, but do keep in mind people that we have not been attacked one time since 9/11, contrary to the liberal promoted propaganda, Iraq has achieved many great things since we first went over there--this is based on what friends and family members who have served in the military have personally witnessed and observed while over there. It's funny you ridicule the comment made about the WMDs being moved to Syria, because it's actually true, believe it or not. Are people ever going to wake up and live in the real world? CNN is bullshit. FOX is bullshit. It's all propaganda. The American public who view such news sources are being fooled by those who are paid to show you what the person behind the curtains wants you to see. You don't have to be a Bush supporter or an absolute conservative to know this or to feel the way I do about it. What one does for a living and how much money they make has absolutely NOTHING to do with their credibility. Most of America is so Goddamn doped up anyway on anti-depressants and other such poisons that they're incapable of logical and rational thoughts.

But as far as the subject at hand goes, there is no point to this movie.
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5:35PM on 08/20/2008

oh they are still out there

my favorite one is "they had weapons of mass destruction, but they hid them in Syria". My own little brother said that (vomit).

So what you are telling me is that not only could we not find Osama Bin Laden, we couldn't find inanimate objects as well?

Stopped Al Q? Nope.
Made Iraq safer? Nope.
Shined a light of democracy into the middle east that was coveted by the other countries in the region? Nope.
Made US safer? Nope.
Capitalized on the post 9/11 good faith of the rest of the
my favorite one is "they had weapons of mass destruction, but they hid them in Syria". My own little brother said that (vomit).

So what you are telling me is that not only could we not find Osama Bin Laden, we couldn't find inanimate objects as well?

Stopped Al Q? Nope.
Made Iraq safer? Nope.
Shined a light of democracy into the middle east that was coveted by the other countries in the region? Nope.
Made US safer? Nope.
Capitalized on the post 9/11 good faith of the rest of the world? Nope.
Ensured that we remain a target of fundamentalists seeking to bring down zion? Check.

According to Columbia University professor and Nobel-prize winning economist Joseph Stiglitz, the war will ultimately reach a cost of 1 trillion dollars. That's enough money to build enough schools and hire enough teachers that every classroom in America would have a 10 to 1 student teacher ratio - and have enough left over to repair social security and enact a successful universal healthcare policy.

I'm so glad that george decided that money would be better spent on filling body bags with American servicemen, and pissing off that entire region of the world, ensuring that future generations of impoverish muslim men will view the 9/11 attacks not as an egregious error, but as a shining beacon that the US should, and could, be toppled.


Of course, my brother who made that WMD statement is 30 and still lives with his mother. He's a registered republican who makes less than 30K a year. Smart guy he is.
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4:14PM on 08/20/2008
Um...who here honestly still defends him, other than the few RepubliCons still saying "Kill 'Em All!"?
Um...who here honestly still defends him, other than the few RepubliCons still saying "Kill 'Em All!"?
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3:15PM on 08/20/2008

Defend Bush!

People can say anything they want to defend him - they just sound like idiots who reside in a reality distortion field. Make that a reality denial field.
People can say anything they want to defend him - they just sound like idiots who reside in a reality distortion field. Make that a reality denial field.
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3:04PM on 08/20/2008

DEFEND BUSH?

What can one possibly say to defend the gigantic level of idiocy, that is the Bush administration?
What can one possibly say to defend the gigantic level of idiocy, that is the Bush administration?
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2:44PM on 08/20/2008

This is why I love Bush supporters...

From James: "I've spent hours defending Bush's presidency... Although, not like I care at all, or know anything about politics" You've established yourself as a credible expert on current politics - those sound like hours well spent, with tangible results.

From Balboa6: "Enough Bush bashing already... Everyone needs to drop the subject and move on." Yeah, Americans shouldn't care about the job the president is doing. It's not important or anything. Not risking saying something that could
From James: "I've spent hours defending Bush's presidency... Although, not like I care at all, or know anything about politics" You've established yourself as a credible expert on current politics - those sound like hours well spent, with tangible results.

From Balboa6: "Enough Bush bashing already... Everyone needs to drop the subject and move on." Yeah, Americans shouldn't care about the job the president is doing. It's not important or anything. Not risking saying something that could potentially bore Balboa6 - that's what we need to focus on. But people who feel that Bush is the worst president of the past century, they should just move on to something more topical.

And I don't think anyone would make a stink about an anti-Obama movie, because it would never get made in liberal hollywood. Unless you mean a movie that was filmed in Anne Coulter's basement, with Glenn Beck manning a super-8, with Rush Limbaugh in black face. That movie is probably already on youtube. Otherwise, your argument condemning liberals for their reaction to an Obama film, is as foolish as it is unfair, seeing as its based on a hypothetical situation.

99% of the time, I feel people are entitled to their opinion, but after 8 years, an unnecessary war based on false premises with thousands of American and Iraqi casualties, an administration that made a mockery of the Attorney General's office, a non-enemy combatant policy that Bush's own appointed supreme court puked all over, and after an economy that briefly popped out of a cesspool, and the flushed back in - after all that, I think Bush supporters can shut the hell up. We've heard enough of this incompetent whacker - and he deserves every cheap shot that's made at him, whether its boring or cliche to you. We've been listening, and enduring his inarticulate speeches and damaging foreign policy for 8 years. People can shut the hell up and listen to a 2+ hour movie that calls him on it - or skip it.
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1:01PM on 08/20/2008
Personally, I think this is going to be THE comedic event of the year. Say it with me everybody, TOGA! TOGA! TOGA!
Personally, I think this is going to be THE comedic event of the year. Say it with me everybody, TOGA! TOGA! TOGA!
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11:24AM on 08/20/2008
You bring up a good point, if the subject matter of the film went against what the majority of the US felt, it would cause a stir, thank you captain obvious. Bush deserves it, ok? Hes responsible (though clueless) for thousands of deaths and for this 'psychological' recession were in. The man is a propaganda spewing tool, and honestly, this movie seems satirically sympathetic for the man. Comparisons between the world in 1984 and the America Bush created are so apparent its disgusting (room 101
You bring up a good point, if the subject matter of the film went against what the majority of the US felt, it would cause a stir, thank you captain obvious. Bush deserves it, ok? Hes responsible (though clueless) for thousands of deaths and for this 'psychological' recession were in. The man is a propaganda spewing tool, and honestly, this movie seems satirically sympathetic for the man. Comparisons between the world in 1984 and the America Bush created are so apparent its disgusting (room 101 anyone?)

I was really against it at first because its easy to bash Bush and its obvious why Oliver Stone is making this movie (his subject matter gets more controversial as he tries to get out of this slump hes in) but it looks like Animal House 2. Jolly ole time. And as long as McCains campaign keeps fighting dirty (everytime I see one of those ads, it wreaks so much of bullshit I have to change the channel I get so angry) and Obama refuses to, someone has to do it for him. Stone took that task.

final thing? Since your judging solely on whats recently been released for this movie, what research is it lacking? don't go on about stones track record, just talk about the data given.
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10:56AM on 08/20/2008
More presidential slandering. All of Hollywood needs to grow the fuck up and actually learn to do some research before passing judgement. Enough Bush bashing already! It's like an old joke that just continually is run into the ground. Everyone needs to drop the subject and move on. I mean for God's sake the guy only has a few more months in office. It'd be interesting to see the double standard if someone who was anti-Obama made a biopic based on his life and run for President. Everybody and
More presidential slandering. All of Hollywood needs to grow the fuck up and actually learn to do some research before passing judgement. Enough Bush bashing already! It's like an old joke that just continually is run into the ground. Everyone needs to drop the subject and move on. I mean for God's sake the guy only has a few more months in office. It'd be interesting to see the double standard if someone who was anti-Obama made a biopic based on his life and run for President. Everybody and their grandmother would be throwing a fit.
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