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No Oscar for TDK score

11.13.2008

THE DARK KNIGHT may very well see a lot of Oscar nominations when they're officially announced on January 22nd but there's one thing TDK won't be nominated for. THE DARK KNIGHT has been disqualified from the Original Music Score category by the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences. While this may surprise you, the move isn't unprecendented - BATMAN BEGINS was similarly disqualified in 2005. The reason give by the AMPAS for the disqualification was that five names - Hans Zimmer, James Newton Howard, Alex Gibson, Mel Wesson and Lorne Balfe - were listed as composers on the official studio document that specifies all music in the film. Warner Bros., looking to avoid another DQ, prepared a signed affidavit from all five parties stating that the majority of the work was composed by Zimmer and Howard but that wasn't enough to convince the AMPAS. The reason all five names were listed on the documents to begin with were to financially reward those who helped make the score successful. So while Zimmer and Howard did the noble thing to help out lesser known artists, they'll get the shaft come Oscar time. For shame.

Extra Tidbit: Some of last year's best music, from THERE WILL BE BLOOD, was also disqualified.
Source: Variety

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4:12AM on 11/15/2008

so?

The academy is so political it's not even funny. Honestly, does anyone really care what wins beyond "oh hey, good for them" then move on? If a movie isn't hailed by critics it won't be nominated for cinematography or editing or special effects. Instead it'll be some generic nomination for some other movie nominated in 8 other categories. Stupid academy.
The academy is so political it's not even funny. Honestly, does anyone really care what wins beyond "oh hey, good for them" then move on? If a movie isn't hailed by critics it won't be nominated for cinematography or editing or special effects. Instead it'll be some generic nomination for some other movie nominated in 8 other categories. Stupid academy.
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10:52AM on 11/14/2008

Xander

Oh I don't give John Williams any passes on repetitiveness. I agree, he does the exact same things. :)

He is a master of the leitmotif though and has created some of the most memorable themes, probably more so than any other score composer.

And that would be an interesting cut to listen to :) That would take a lot of work too. And musical talent (which I don't have). :)
Oh I don't give John Williams any passes on repetitiveness. I agree, he does the exact same things. :)

He is a master of the leitmotif though and has created some of the most memorable themes, probably more so than any other score composer.

And that would be an interesting cut to listen to :) That would take a lot of work too. And musical talent (which I don't have). :)
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6:37PM on 11/13/2008

Maverick

I definitely agree with you about similarities but if you are going to say that about Zimmer then think about how many oscars John Williams has won by pretty much doing the exact same thing.

I have always wanted someone to cut together John Williams songs together so that they flow together into one giant seamless song.

Williams has at least two songs that always sound the same as each other.
I definitely agree with you about similarities but if you are going to say that about Zimmer then think about how many oscars John Williams has won by pretty much doing the exact same thing.

I have always wanted someone to cut together John Williams songs together so that they flow together into one giant seamless song.

Williams has at least two songs that always sound the same as each other.
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6:33PM on 11/13/2008
Yeah..who cares.

TWBB was a great score, it's a shame it was DQ. That was an awesome score.
Yeah..who cares.

TWBB was a great score, it's a shame it was DQ. That was an awesome score.
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5:38PM on 11/13/2008
Seriously? Who gives a shit. The Dark Knight will not win every award, unlike what everybody here thinks. Don't cry if it doesn't win best animated movie.
Seriously? Who gives a shit. The Dark Knight will not win every award, unlike what everybody here thinks. Don't cry if it doesn't win best animated movie.
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4:48PM on 11/13/2008
Agreed that Mansell was shafted by the Academy (as well as The Fountain in general). Also, Giacchino was ripped off for his work on The Incredibles.

But as for TDK score... I don't know... Zimmer scores in general tend to be over-engineered and repetitive. Why should TDK score be nominated when it re-uses a lot of the riffs and themes from Batman Begins. It's not that original. You can hear a lot of the same patterns and styles in a lot of Zimmer's scores. Go back to all the Pirates movies,
Agreed that Mansell was shafted by the Academy (as well as The Fountain in general). Also, Giacchino was ripped off for his work on The Incredibles.

But as for TDK score... I don't know... Zimmer scores in general tend to be over-engineered and repetitive. Why should TDK score be nominated when it re-uses a lot of the riffs and themes from Batman Begins. It's not that original. You can hear a lot of the same patterns and styles in a lot of Zimmer's scores. Go back to all the Pirates movies, Gladiator, The Rock, The Peacemaker, Crimson Tide, and on and on. The music is VERY similar. And before anyone hates, just FYI, I like them all. I own most of those soundtracks. They're fun, big, loud, bombastic, unrestrained.... I love listening to them, but I wouldn't call them Oscar worthy or original.
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4:12PM on 11/13/2008
I think it's very brave of the AMPAS to weather the fanboys ire and disqualify the biggest film of the year, standing up for their 70+ year old policies which the composers of 'The Dark Knight' were well aware of when they disregarded them.
I think it's very brave of the AMPAS to weather the fanboys ire and disqualify the biggest film of the year, standing up for their 70+ year old policies which the composers of 'The Dark Knight' were well aware of when they disregarded them.
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4:03PM on 11/13/2008

Huh?

Honestly. WTF??
When are they going to judge based on actual product (music in this case)??
IDIOTS
Honestly. WTF??
When are they going to judge based on actual product (music in this case)??
IDIOTS
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3:05PM on 11/13/2008
Marcelo--kudos. I agree with you on Clint Mansell for The Fountain. He got a Golden Globe nom, but no Oscar nom, sadly. :(

Honestly..the score for TDK is good, but not Oscar worthy. At least Howard and Zimmer did the right thing, though.
Marcelo--kudos. I agree with you on Clint Mansell for The Fountain. He got a Golden Globe nom, but no Oscar nom, sadly. :(

Honestly..the score for TDK is good, but not Oscar worthy. At least Howard and Zimmer did the right thing, though.
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2:51PM on 11/13/2008

that sucks

the theme they used for the joker was dead on. immediately when that very subtle screeching of violins or something kicked in, you knew some crazy joker shit was gonna happen.
the theme they used for the joker was dead on. immediately when that very subtle screeching of violins or something kicked in, you knew some crazy joker shit was gonna happen.
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2:37PM on 11/13/2008

BS

Those who can appreciate the atmospheric dissonance of Greenwood's fantastic score in There Will Blood should at least understand where Dark Knight fans are coming from on this.

In both cases, the music was an integral piece of the film as a whole. The Dark Knight's score had a fair amount of ingenuity to it (the most notable example being the Joker's nine minute suite based on only two notes). Zimmer and Howard introduced some great new themes while still building on past ones introduced
Those who can appreciate the atmospheric dissonance of Greenwood's fantastic score in There Will Blood should at least understand where Dark Knight fans are coming from on this.

In both cases, the music was an integral piece of the film as a whole. The Dark Knight's score had a fair amount of ingenuity to it (the most notable example being the Joker's nine minute suite based on only two notes). Zimmer and Howard introduced some great new themes while still building on past ones introduced in "Begins".

But I applaud them for doing the noble thing and making sure the other three composers received their respective financial rewards. Talk about class. I'm calling BS on the AMPAS.
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2:04PM on 11/13/2008
It's a shame that this got disqualified, but really, Danny Elfman's Batman scores were far more deserving of an Oscar, in my opinion.
It's a shame that this got disqualified, but really, Danny Elfman's Batman scores were far more deserving of an Oscar, in my opinion.
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1:38PM on 11/13/2008
that sucks but that pic of the joker looks pretty bad ass
that sucks but that pic of the joker looks pretty bad ass
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12:50PM on 11/13/2008

That sucks

What pissed me off is when they gave the shaft to Clint Mansell for his score to the Fountain.
What pissed me off is when they gave the shaft to Clint Mansell for his score to the Fountain.
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12:15PM on 11/13/2008
As depressing as this is, if there's a god, the Wrestler will win anyways.
As depressing as this is, if there's a god, the Wrestler will win anyways.
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11:46AM on 11/13/2008

ACADEMY BEING BUREAUCRATIC

Well if the first score was rejected then its no suprise. The good thing is they kept all the names to credit the people who helped get the score rather than worry about the awards. On the other hand the news leaking online is yet another overdose of DK hype!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Man I just want to sit down and enjoy the movie on DVD with no more DK is this and that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well if the first score was rejected then its no suprise. The good thing is they kept all the names to credit the people who helped get the score rather than worry about the awards. On the other hand the news leaking online is yet another overdose of DK hype!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Man I just want to sit down and enjoy the movie on DVD with no more DK is this and that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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11:33AM on 11/13/2008

Misused...

Listening to the score out of context, it does manage to conjure up images of Batman. Having said that, Nolan manages to over-use it, as he did in Batman Begins. Overrated film, indeed!
Listening to the score out of context, it does manage to conjure up images of Batman. Having said that, Nolan manages to over-use it, as he did in Batman Begins. Overrated film, indeed!
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11:23AM on 11/13/2008
To be honest I found TDK to be overrated. I'm sure everyone will threaten my first born for saying it but besides Ledger and the Two-Face parts, it wasn't anything out of the norm for me. And about the extra tidbit, There Will Be Blood's score was so incredibly good that it is the only score I have ever purchased, and I still listen to it occasionally even now.
To be honest I found TDK to be overrated. I'm sure everyone will threaten my first born for saying it but besides Ledger and the Two-Face parts, it wasn't anything out of the norm for me. And about the extra tidbit, There Will Be Blood's score was so incredibly good that it is the only score I have ever purchased, and I still listen to it occasionally even now.
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11:23AM on 11/13/2008

wow

So two movies that I personally thought had the best soundtrack music were disqualified. That makes sense- NOT. I like you're point too, Howard and Zimmer went out of their way to help lesser known composers and in return they get screwed. Shitty system.
So two movies that I personally thought had the best soundtrack music were disqualified. That makes sense- NOT. I like you're point too, Howard and Zimmer went out of their way to help lesser known composers and in return they get screwed. Shitty system.
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11:17AM on 11/13/2008

thanks for the news

ahh its a big shame, as everything from TDK was brilliantly executed, from characters, cinematography, sound/music, etc. you name it. Truly 08's biggest movie highlight. However, I have a feeling this will not be nominated as Best Picture, as tragic as it may sound.
ahh its a big shame, as everything from TDK was brilliantly executed, from characters, cinematography, sound/music, etc. you name it. Truly 08's biggest movie highlight. However, I have a feeling this will not be nominated as Best Picture, as tragic as it may sound.
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