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This guy is just a glutton for punishment.

Remember when the producer for THE HURT LOCKER, Nicolas Chartier wrote those anti-AVATAR e-mails? Well, looks like he didn't learn his lesson.

This e-mail conflict has to do with a lawsuit between Voltage Pictures, the company that financed THE HURT LOCKER and BitTorrent users who downloaded the film. Chartier is the president of Voltage Pictures.

All Boing Boing reader Nicholas (his last name was withdrawn) sent out to do was write a rather tactful letter of disapproval about the lawsuit to Mr. Chartier. Here's original email Nicholas wrote:

Dear Mr. Chartier,

"I have recently become aware of Voltage Pictures' intention to sue thousands of people who are suspected of having used BitTorrent to download films produced by your company."

"I wish to register my disagreement with these tactics, and would like you to know that as a result of these actions I am boycotting your films. The majority of the people you are suing were not seeking to make money from their downloads, and will be financially devastated by a lawsuit or settlement. While it is completely understandable that Voltage Pictures wishes to defend its intellectual property, this is an inhumane way of doing so."

"Until Voltage Pictures publicly states that it will not pursue lawsuits for downloading its films, I will not view, rent or buy any films produced wholly or in part by your company. I will urge my friends and family to take the same actions. I do not wish for the money I spend on entertainment to be used against otherwise good people."

Thank you for your time.

Chartier wrote back and it was definitely more than he expected. Here's his response e-mail:

"Hi Nicholas, please feel free to leave your house open every time you go out and please tell your family to do so, please invite people in the streets to come in and take things from you, not to make money out of it by reselling it but just to use it for themselves and help themselves. If you think it's normal they take my work for free, I'm sure you will give away all your furniture and possessions and your family will do the same. I can also send you my bank account information since apparently you work for free and your family too so since you have so much money you should give it away... I actually like to pay my employees, my family, my bank for their work and like to get paid for my work. I'm glad you're a moron who believes stealing is right. I hope your family and your kids end up in jail one day for stealing so maybe they can be taught the difference. Until then, keep being stupid, you're doing that very well. And please do not download, rent, or pay for my movies, I actually like smart and more important HONEST people to watch my films."

best regards,

Nicolas Chartier Voltage Pictures, LLC

Wow. The balls on this guy.

Extra Tidbit: I wonder if he'll even bother apologizing this time. I'd guess no.
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1:15PM on 05/20/2010

A Familiar Story

Long story short, this guy answers emails a hell of a lot like Steve Jobs. Just saying.
Long story short, this guy answers emails a hell of a lot like Steve Jobs. Just saying.
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4:34AM on 05/20/2010

Double-post

Damn internet double-posted my comment. My bad, folks.
Damn internet double-posted my comment. My bad, folks.
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4:31AM on 05/20/2010

Who said the first letter was from a pirate?

Everyone is talking as if the person that wrote the email to Nicolas blatantly said he is a pirate. What I got from his email is that he's not a pirate at all. He DOES pay for his movies. He is just taking a stand against those tactics that Nicolas is using because he believes they unfairly knock the poor down, when the poor don't have the money to pay it back.

Some very Robin Hood-type stuff ;)

I'm not agreeing that pirating is good. Oh God no. Pirating is the cancer that is eating
Everyone is talking as if the person that wrote the email to Nicolas blatantly said he is a pirate. What I got from his email is that he's not a pirate at all. He DOES pay for his movies. He is just taking a stand against those tactics that Nicolas is using because he believes they unfairly knock the poor down, when the poor don't have the money to pay it back.

Some very Robin Hood-type stuff ;)

I'm not agreeing that pirating is good. Oh God no. Pirating is the cancer that is eating virtually every industry right as we speak. But I'm kind of wondering why a lot of you are commenting, assuming Nicholas said he was a pirate... Because again, to me, it seems like he is playing the Devil's advocate.
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3:11AM on 05/20/2010
A lot of you here are very anti movie downloading. I'm not really for or again. I mean I've "found" a few movies on the side of the road before. But only ones that are impossible to get in NZ. Then there's the whole downloading music thing. no one even blinks an eye when someone downloads music now, but a movie, FUCK, everyone here get's their panties in a twist.
A lot of you here are very anti movie downloading. I'm not really for or again. I mean I've "found" a few movies on the side of the road before. But only ones that are impossible to get in NZ. Then there's the whole downloading music thing. no one even blinks an eye when someone downloads music now, but a movie, FUCK, everyone here get's their panties in a twist.
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4:34AM on 05/20/2010
On the contrary. It makes me sick whenever I hear about anyone downloading ANYTHING illegally. Whether it be music, games, movies, or otherwise... any type of illegal download I despise. And I think a lot of the people here that are speaking out against pirating movies also feel the same way towards music... it's just that this is, you know, not a music website. It's a movie website, a movie article, and as such, a movie-based discussion.
On the contrary. It makes me sick whenever I hear about anyone downloading ANYTHING illegally. Whether it be music, games, movies, or otherwise... any type of illegal download I despise. And I think a lot of the people here that are speaking out against pirating movies also feel the same way towards music... it's just that this is, you know, not a music website. It's a movie website, a movie article, and as such, a movie-based discussion.
12:44AM on 05/20/2010

creampuffkiller

You said "stealing is against the law" but, you steal music. So you yourself are breaking the law too. Borrowing a CD from a friend and illegally downloading music is not the same. I support the music business as well as the movie business. Try Rhapsody or Napster's unlimited monthly music membership.
As far as this Hurt Locker dude is concerned, the first 3/4 of that statement I agree with but the rest was just unnecessary. Guess he didn't learn his lesson the first time.
You said "stealing is against the law" but, you steal music. So you yourself are breaking the law too. Borrowing a CD from a friend and illegally downloading music is not the same. I support the music business as well as the movie business. Try Rhapsody or Napster's unlimited monthly music membership.
As far as this Hurt Locker dude is concerned, the first 3/4 of that statement I agree with but the rest was just unnecessary. Guess he didn't learn his lesson the first time.
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7:52PM on 05/21/2010
yeah i know it's illegal and i don't do it anymore but how is borrowing a cd and downloading different. Either my friend pays for it or the person i download from paid for.
yeah i know it's illegal and i don't do it anymore but how is borrowing a cd and downloading different. Either my friend pays for it or the person i download from paid for.
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12:09AM on 05/20/2010

He is correct

Sorry, but you are calling him an ass for his cheeky, yet valid reply to a guy who illegally downloads movies? Really? I don't support illegally downloading movies and never will. It is taking money away from them, just as the letter points out. How about everyone just go to movies, rent, or legally download/stream movies. What's wrong with that? And why would you expect him to apologize?? mmmK, thanks.
Sorry, but you are calling him an ass for his cheeky, yet valid reply to a guy who illegally downloads movies? Really? I don't support illegally downloading movies and never will. It is taking money away from them, just as the letter points out. How about everyone just go to movies, rent, or legally download/stream movies. What's wrong with that? And why would you expect him to apologize?? mmmK, thanks.
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6:32PM on 05/19/2010
People who download movies should be shot.
People who download movies should be shot.
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7:34PM on 05/19/2010
Even I don't agree with that.
Shooting people is wrong.
Even I don't agree with that.
Shooting people is wrong.
9:41AM on 05/20/2010
Just shot in the leg. not killed.
Just shot in the leg. not killed.
7:54PM on 05/21/2010
Shooting a convicted child rapist is not wrong it's necessary.
Shooting a convicted child rapist is not wrong it's necessary.
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3:25PM on 05/19/2010
While I agree the man is a douche, his anti-Avatar stunt was uncalled for of course, he is justified in his reply. The original emailer is basically defending people who are stealing films from his company. He would be a fool not to say anything in his defense. I agree, he could have been more tactful and less inflammatory, but he still has every right to call the kid out. I realize that these producers are overpaid, but the ones who get ripped off are all the little people trying to make a
While I agree the man is a douche, his anti-Avatar stunt was uncalled for of course, he is justified in his reply. The original emailer is basically defending people who are stealing films from his company. He would be a fool not to say anything in his defense. I agree, he could have been more tactful and less inflammatory, but he still has every right to call the kid out. I realize that these producers are overpaid, but the ones who get ripped off are all the little people trying to make a living doing the little things for films, especially a film like Hurt Locker, which didn't make much money back to begin with.
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3:09PM on 05/19/2010
double post, oops :-)
double post, oops :-)
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3:03PM on 05/19/2010
totally agree with tailgunner below. It is stealing which is against the law. I've downloaded one movie my who entire life and felt dirty after doing so, then eventually got it on dvd anyway. The email could have left out the guys family since they didn't write the email but I agree with everything else.

Music downloading for me is different. Like a lot of people I've downloaded listened and bought if it's good enough. Itunes and other sites that have bits of the song aren't long enough to
totally agree with tailgunner below. It is stealing which is against the law. I've downloaded one movie my who entire life and felt dirty after doing so, then eventually got it on dvd anyway. The email could have left out the guys family since they didn't write the email but I agree with everything else.

Music downloading for me is different. Like a lot of people I've downloaded listened and bought if it's good enough. Itunes and other sites that have bits of the song aren't long enough to make a buying decision. So I see downloading music the same as borrowing the cd from a friend. I just copy what I want for free. This may seem hypocritical, but at lease with movies there are clips, behind the scenes and previews to give you a better idea rather than just a 30 second tidbit.
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5:30PM on 05/19/2010
Your a total hypocrite and your whole post should be deleted. Its ok to steal music, but not movies?
Your a total hypocrite and your whole post should be deleted. Its ok to steal music, but not movies?
6:11PM on 05/19/2010
guess i should add that I understand getting music or movies for free is illegal. With the advent of itunes and the like it's easier to buy one song that may sound good as opposed to buying a whole album. And it has been a long time since I've downloaded music, but I'll still take the flak. Oh and Freddyrich I already said I was a hypocrite which everyone is a hypocrite in some way when it suits their needs and for various reasons so your words mean nothing to me. At least I can admit I am
guess i should add that I understand getting music or movies for free is illegal. With the advent of itunes and the like it's easier to buy one song that may sound good as opposed to buying a whole album. And it has been a long time since I've downloaded music, but I'll still take the flak. Oh and Freddyrich I already said I was a hypocrite which everyone is a hypocrite in some way when it suits their needs and for various reasons so your words mean nothing to me. At least I can admit I am hypocrite with some things.
12:10PM on 05/19/2010

Ouch.

The truth stings a bit, doesn't it? You can call him harsh, you can call him an ass, you can call him vengeful and mean, but one thing you cannot call him is wrong.
The truth stings a bit, doesn't it? You can call him harsh, you can call him an ass, you can call him vengeful and mean, but one thing you cannot call him is wrong.
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4:22PM on 05/19/2010
Yes, he's correct, but does that give him the right to be so disrespectful and mean about it? No, it doesn't, which is why he's a douche!
Yes, he's correct, but does that give him the right to be so disrespectful and mean about it? No, it doesn't, which is why he's a douche!
12:13AM on 05/20/2010
Filmguy--isn't the complainer the one being disrespectful? I sure would not be respectful and nice to someone who stole my stuff.
Filmguy--isn't the complainer the one being disrespectful? I sure would not be respectful and nice to someone who stole my stuff.
11:53AM on 05/19/2010

GOOD ON HIM!

I'm so glad he replied to that e-mail and I couldn't have described the nature of illegal downloading better myself!
I'm so glad he replied to that e-mail and I couldn't have described the nature of illegal downloading better myself!
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11:36AM on 05/19/2010

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a lot of the pirated films came from Oscar Screeners... so there you have you list of suspects. sue them. and fuck off.
a lot of the pirated films came from Oscar Screeners... so there you have you list of suspects. sue them. and fuck off.
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11:32AM on 05/19/2010

sue no one

especially not me!

It's industry's job to adjust with technology. Once the genie is out of the bottle you must get smarter, not sue-happy (you see how well that worked for the music industry)

ps -go after the distributors of your pirated film, not the kids who download it to watch themselves. persecuting your audience is not a good idea. We (me) hold grudges.
especially not me!

It's industry's job to adjust with technology. Once the genie is out of the bottle you must get smarter, not sue-happy (you see how well that worked for the music industry)

ps -go after the distributors of your pirated film, not the kids who download it to watch themselves. persecuting your audience is not a good idea. We (me) hold grudges.
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12:09PM on 05/19/2010
The industry is adjusting to technology. They're providing faster releases and supporting a whole variety of legal sites where you can get content (for a price.. either paid directly or through advertising dollars).

What the industry can't swallow is all the jerks out there who scream bloody murder when anyone tells them that they should have to pay for content. They get all offended because someone says "sorry, but that's not free".

Unfortunately, right now, the easiest solution is to make
The industry is adjusting to technology. They're providing faster releases and supporting a whole variety of legal sites where you can get content (for a price.. either paid directly or through advertising dollars).

What the industry can't swallow is all the jerks out there who scream bloody murder when anyone tells them that they should have to pay for content. They get all offended because someone says "sorry, but that's not free".

Unfortunately, right now, the easiest solution is to make downloading films as risky as possible. The only way to do that is by threatening people with gigantic lawsuits which are financially ruinous. If you can make people take a minute, and consider whether that movie they want is worth losing their home, then you win.

While it's harder to track, the people who upload content face even tougher consequences for their actions. They actually face jail time, instead of a lawsuit. And you'd be a fool to think that production companies and distributors aren't actively searching those people out.
1:05PM on 05/19/2010
the napster lawsuits of 2001 have not slowed the downloading of music.

You can list off all of your very correct and very understandable points all day long but the fact is you cannot fight the future. trying to sue the many many many people who download would be like trying to sweep the beach into the ocean. Futile.

capitol punishmant doesnt stop murder and lawsuits don't stop downloading.

as Ralph Waldo said, they need to build a better mousetrap
the napster lawsuits of 2001 have not slowed the downloading of music.

You can list off all of your very correct and very understandable points all day long but the fact is you cannot fight the future. trying to sue the many many many people who download would be like trying to sweep the beach into the ocean. Futile.

capitol punishmant doesnt stop murder and lawsuits don't stop downloading.

as Ralph Waldo said, they need to build a better mousetrap
3:09PM on 05/19/2010
capital punishment doesn't stop murder because of the flawed system society has developed. I gaurantee that if murderers were given one trial only and shot on site, no appeals, no life sentences the murder rate would drop drastically. If penalties are harsh enough then the issue at hand would cease to exist. And yes people responsible should be pursued if not more so.
capital punishment doesn't stop murder because of the flawed system society has developed. I gaurantee that if murderers were given one trial only and shot on site, no appeals, no life sentences the murder rate would drop drastically. If penalties are harsh enough then the issue at hand would cease to exist. And yes people responsible should be pursued if not more so.
3:19PM on 05/19/2010
if you have the cure for murder you are a wiser man than I.

that of course, is discounting the many inncoent people your system would kill because not all evidence (DNA and otherwise) is presented (for various reasons, good and bad) at the first trial.

Also, i should say I am ANTI DOWNLOADING... but i understand the way the universe works and downloading won't simply be legislated or litigated away. Systems must be changed and the onus is on Hollywood, not the downloaders.
if you have the cure for murder you are a wiser man than I.

that of course, is discounting the many inncoent people your system would kill because not all evidence (DNA and otherwise) is presented (for various reasons, good and bad) at the first trial.

Also, i should say I am ANTI DOWNLOADING... but i understand the way the universe works and downloading won't simply be legislated or litigated away. Systems must be changed and the onus is on Hollywood, not the downloaders.
6:12PM on 05/19/2010
I agree that you can't eradicate crime from the face of the earth, but that doesn't mean that society should just give up and fall into anarchy.

All I'm saying is that IF massive lawsuits (or any other consequence) as a reaction to the GP stealing movies makes SOME people stop then it's a win.
I agree that you can't eradicate crime from the face of the earth, but that doesn't mean that society should just give up and fall into anarchy.

All I'm saying is that IF massive lawsuits (or any other consequence) as a reaction to the GP stealing movies makes SOME people stop then it's a win.
9:43AM on 05/20/2010
the only ones who will win are the lawyers.
the only ones who will win are the lawyers.
9:50AM on 05/20/2010
the only ones who will win are the lawyers.

The ONLY way to stop downloading is to either create an unpirateable format or invent a time machine to un-invent downloading.

the industry MUST adjust. bottom line.

you know what else everyone agrees sucks: Nuclear bombs, identity theft and spam... and no one has been able to curb them either.

We havent' even been able to get rid of jackasses that type 'FIRST'.

good luck with that dragon, Don Quixote.
the only ones who will win are the lawyers.

The ONLY way to stop downloading is to either create an unpirateable format or invent a time machine to un-invent downloading.

the industry MUST adjust. bottom line.

you know what else everyone agrees sucks: Nuclear bombs, identity theft and spam... and no one has been able to curb them either.

We havent' even been able to get rid of jackasses that type 'FIRST'.

good luck with that dragon, Don Quixote.
11:28AM on 05/19/2010
This guy sounds like an asshole. What would happen if I went out, bought a real copy of the Hurt Locker, and then invited a ton of people over to watch it? Aren't they technically seeing it for free? Why not sue them or me for letting them watch it? Maybe we should all just be sued and thrown in jail.
This guy sounds like an asshole. What would happen if I went out, bought a real copy of the Hurt Locker, and then invited a ton of people over to watch it? Aren't they technically seeing it for free? Why not sue them or me for letting them watch it? Maybe we should all just be sued and thrown in jail.
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11:59AM on 05/19/2010
Once again, technically that's not allowed, but it falls under "fair use". That's because no one gives a shit about you hanging out with ten of your buddies watching a movie. It is NOTHING in compared to the tens of thousands or millions of people online, actively seeking out pirated content.
Once again, technically that's not allowed, but it falls under "fair use". That's because no one gives a shit about you hanging out with ten of your buddies watching a movie. It is NOTHING in compared to the tens of thousands or millions of people online, actively seeking out pirated content.
3:38PM on 05/19/2010
Soundgirl..."technically that's not allowed?" If that's not the most Dystopian statement if heard in a long time, I don't know what is. Of course you can watch a movie in your living room with your friends. If they start making me pay to have people over to watch movies, I'll be afraid for my life.
Soundgirl..."technically that's not allowed?" If that's not the most Dystopian statement if heard in a long time, I don't know what is. Of course you can watch a movie in your living room with your friends. If they start making me pay to have people over to watch movies, I'll be afraid for my life.
5:46PM on 05/19/2010
By "technically not allowed" I was referring to the fact that it is illegal to hold a public screening of a film you do not hold the rights to. Schools are supposed to purchase films with extended copyright allowances for that very reason.

If someone wanted to be a real asshole then they could file a lawsuit on someone holding "movie night" at home with a bunch of friends. Nobody does it though, because it would be crazy.

As I stated, no one cares about the small scale "maybe it's ok, maybe
By "technically not allowed" I was referring to the fact that it is illegal to hold a public screening of a film you do not hold the rights to. Schools are supposed to purchase films with extended copyright allowances for that very reason.

If someone wanted to be a real asshole then they could file a lawsuit on someone holding "movie night" at home with a bunch of friends. Nobody does it though, because it would be crazy.

As I stated, no one cares about the small scale "maybe it's ok, maybe it's not" type of copyright violations (and downloading movies is all about violating copyrights). What the industry cares about is the giant online presence of people willingly stealing their work.
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11:15AM on 05/19/2010
"The Hurt Locker was a decent flick. Definitely NOT the best picture of the year; that belongs to Avatar and always will."

No, The Hurt Locker is a better movie than Avatar but Inglorious Basterds is better than both.
"The Hurt Locker was a decent flick. Definitely NOT the best picture of the year; that belongs to Avatar and always will."

No, The Hurt Locker is a better movie than Avatar but Inglorious Basterds is better than both.
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11:33AM on 05/19/2010
thumbs up. plus 1. co-sign.
thumbs up. plus 1. co-sign.
9:30AM on 05/19/2010
The Hurt Locker was a decent flick. Definitely NOT the best picture of the year; that belongs to Avatar and always will. But seriously, Chartier and his company are LUCKY that Hurt Locker made as much money as it did. Most movies of that genre, with such little exposure (pre-award season) don't make shit.

Also, I don't download anything. I'd rather own my shit, call it materialism if you want. But it is my opinion that downloading a film is NOT STEALING. If it is stealing, than Warner Bros
The Hurt Locker was a decent flick. Definitely NOT the best picture of the year; that belongs to Avatar and always will. But seriously, Chartier and his company are LUCKY that Hurt Locker made as much money as it did. Most movies of that genre, with such little exposure (pre-award season) don't make shit.

Also, I don't download anything. I'd rather own my shit, call it materialism if you want. But it is my opinion that downloading a film is NOT STEALING. If it is stealing, than Warner Bros needs to sue my ass for this Matrix Blu-ray I borrowed from my sister. I mean seriously, like I won't eventually buy The fucking Matrix on Blu-ray. Of course I'll buy it, cause it's a GOOD MOVIE. If you make a SHIT MOVIE, I won't buy it. Make sense, movie studio tards?
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10:37AM on 05/19/2010
I think your comment gets at the very heart of the disconnect people have with "downloading movie = stealing".

Of course it isn't illegal for you to borrow a movie from your sister. She's your sister, and she bought the movie. If she wants to lend it out to her brother that's her decision and no one is ever going to care.

What would be illegal, would be for your sister to make a couple tens of thousands of copies of her Matrix BluRay and then post a bunch of flyers all over town
I think your comment gets at the very heart of the disconnect people have with "downloading movie = stealing".

Of course it isn't illegal for you to borrow a movie from your sister. She's your sister, and she bought the movie. If she wants to lend it out to her brother that's her decision and no one is ever going to care.

What would be illegal, would be for your sister to make a couple tens of thousands of copies of her Matrix BluRay and then post a bunch of flyers all over town advertising "FREE MATRIX BLURAY!!" It would also be illegal to go to that free Matrix BluRay party and grab a copy for yourself.
10:49AM on 05/19/2010
So succinct, SoundGirl. So succinct. :)
So succinct, SoundGirl. So succinct. :)
3:05PM on 05/19/2010
SoundGirl, why are you so adamant about this subject? Do you work in the industry? Just curious, not calling you out or trying to be negative or anything...I like that you are offering good arguments.

As a response to your points, let me provide some insight. Take a look at the box office numbers dating back to 1980, before we had the Internet and all this "evil" fire-sharing. Here's a link: [link]

Now, look at the attendance numbers. Compare how many tickets were sold in 1980 to how
SoundGirl, why are you so adamant about this subject? Do you work in the industry? Just curious, not calling you out or trying to be negative or anything...I like that you are offering good arguments.

As a response to your points, let me provide some insight. Take a look at the box office numbers dating back to 1980, before we had the Internet and all this "evil" fire-sharing. Here's a link: [link]

Now, look at the attendance numbers. Compare how many tickets were sold in 1980 to how many tickets were sold in 2010. Clearly, the film industry is not suffering. In fact, one could argue that the industry is actually benefiting from the increase in Internet usage and pirating.

Your argument is based completely in morals, which I totally respect. All I'm saying is, whether or not downloading movies is morally wrong (a point on which we disagree), it's clear that it hasn't hurt the film industry. Hurt Locker wouldn't have been nearly as successful if it weren't for good word of mouth. Torrents are one way, among many other ways, that movies get good word of mouth. So why care?
3:33PM on 05/19/2010
You're jumping a step, IQuitMrWhite. How can you link steady ticket sales (i.e. the continued success of the film industry) with the issue of illegal file sharing? There's a huge gap there that you're leaping by assuming piracy has played a part in increasing sales (or not played a part in hurting them). What proof is there in those numbers? It's all conjecture. The numbers don't translate to whether or not piracy has helped.

But going on this speculation, if one can argue that pirating
You're jumping a step, IQuitMrWhite. How can you link steady ticket sales (i.e. the continued success of the film industry) with the issue of illegal file sharing? There's a huge gap there that you're leaping by assuming piracy has played a part in increasing sales (or not played a part in hurting them). What proof is there in those numbers? It's all conjecture. The numbers don't translate to whether or not piracy has helped.

But going on this speculation, if one can argue that pirating does aid in box office numbers, then another could easily counter that, hypothetically, each downloaded film viewing is lost revenue. Someone saw a film for which he or she did not pay -- and that pay COULD have gone to the company and its employees. Simple as that.

SoundGirl's arguments are by no means based entirely in morals. She has a strong view because she works in the industry (I believe?) but her points are all sound. No matter which way you look at it, stealing is stealing. Yes, the Internet has made for access to a multitude of films with profound ease, and suing ordinary people is pretty damn harsh, but it's still an illegal action.

I applaud the civility with with you have responded, but if you put forth the notion that piracy helps box office numbers (by word of mouth), you can't ignore that it can hurt it (chain reaction whereby low-level workers are paid less or not hired in the future). Don't ignore this fact that just because assholes like Chartier are sometimes the face of the production teams. There are honest people in the middle or at the bottom that often take the blow.
4:07PM on 05/19/2010
Outsider, you make some excellent points, most of which I agree with, especially your point that people should always be paid what they deserve for their hard work. The fact is, people in the film industry are paid quite well. If they are in a position where they are underpaid, it's certainly not because their project was pirated, but rather because people like Chartier are bad CEOs, and need to pay their employees better wages.

The numbers I provided unmistakably prove that the film
Outsider, you make some excellent points, most of which I agree with, especially your point that people should always be paid what they deserve for their hard work. The fact is, people in the film industry are paid quite well. If they are in a position where they are underpaid, it's certainly not because their project was pirated, but rather because people like Chartier are bad CEOs, and need to pay their employees better wages.

The numbers I provided unmistakably prove that the film industry is doing just fine. However, you are correct in that these numbers do not necessarily prove that the film industry is not suffering from piracy. But here is the simple truth: Ticket prices are higher than ever, and the people keep buying tickets. More and more of them each year. Studios are reporting record profits!

So then we must assume that the issue here, my friend, is greed. Studios see the huge number of downloads and assume that they were ripped off, and this simply may not be the case. While the numbers I provided cannot necessarily prove that studios are not losing any money from file-sharing, they certainly cannot be ignored either. The point is, people are still seeing movies in theaters, and always will.

This same argument has been around for so long it's almost laughable. The music industry was absolutely certain that no one would buy albums anymore after people realized they could just make copies of their friend's cassettes...but people still bought albums. The film industry was absolutely certain no one would buy DVDs anymore once people realized they could burn copies...and yet DVDs are the highest-selling home video format of all time.

The war against piracy cannot be won. File-sharing is bigger than it has ever been before. Clearly no one is being scared away by the threat of lawsuit.

I just think movie studios should spend more time making great movies, and less time bitching about how little money their movies make.
4:30PM on 05/19/2010
What a fantastic debate we have here. I have a few last things on what you've said. SoundGirl has made points earlier about the lost profit eventually meaning individuals who work in the industry may not be hired on future projects. This may be due in part by this void that COULD have been filled from a few more ticket sales (I believe that's what she meant.. I'm certainly paraphrasing here).

That's a good point. It's easy to think movie biz people are making boatloads and forget that
What a fantastic debate we have here. I have a few last things on what you've said. SoundGirl has made points earlier about the lost profit eventually meaning individuals who work in the industry may not be hired on future projects. This may be due in part by this void that COULD have been filled from a few more ticket sales (I believe that's what she meant.. I'm certainly paraphrasing here).

That's a good point. It's easy to think movie biz people are making boatloads and forget that some are just making enough to get by. If a film doesn't do well for ANY number of reasons, a studio or production company may not be able to hire as many workers next time, or may choose cheaper or even LESS projects for their slate to make up for the deficit. The "underpaid" issue is speculation from my view, of course, since I don't work in the industry. But the logic of the number and scale of future film productions makes sense to me.

I don't think the issue is necessarily greed, though that's not to call execs selfless. Here, the higher-ups are holding fast to their films as products and downloads to be stolen material -- i.e. money "taken" from them. They're not wrong in wanting it. It is theirs. It's the manner in which Chartier is calling for heads that is unsettling, which is not so much greed but insensitivity and misunderstanding in regards to the easy access to and complexity of digital reproduction.

And your last comment, on "making great movies" -- I'm of the mindset that 3D has killed any notion of "quality" in modern commercial cinema (if there ever was one..). 3D is not a fad that will run its course. The very numbers of Avatar, How to Train Your Dragon, and Alice in Wonderland have shown studios that 3D is a way to boost profits by overwhelming measures. Quality will be saved for indie pics by artists who put their own money in and work outside the corporate "machine." Boycotting, in my view, will do little. We're still going to be given shit because most people are fooled by and will settle for shit.
7:12PM on 05/19/2010
To Outsider's last response: You're correct in saying boycotting will not work as people still want to be handed shit and like it. The major problem with society is that if we don't like something we complain about it because we can't do anything about it. I think if the whole or even majority of society comes together to say "we will not see crap movies anymore or pay staggering prices" and then studios see the error of their ways, then they'll continue to do what they want.

In my opinion
To Outsider's last response: You're correct in saying boycotting will not work as people still want to be handed shit and like it. The major problem with society is that if we don't like something we complain about it because we can't do anything about it. I think if the whole or even majority of society comes together to say "we will not see crap movies anymore or pay staggering prices" and then studios see the error of their ways, then they'll continue to do what they want.

In my opinion those how download movies want their cake and eat it too. "I want movies but I don't want to pay for it or shouldn't have to pay for it because it might be shit." It's a gamble. Deal with it. You have the choice to see a movie or not.

As far as Chartier being an ass, well the family comment was wrong. They didn't right the email but I understand his words like stupid and moron. It's unnecessary, but think about it. If somebody does something you don't agree with the reaction is usually they're stupid or an idiot.
7:33PM on 05/19/2010
I respect people who don't download movies or music, and I don't respect people who do. Yes. I work in the industry. I'm a freelance Boom Operator.

I would just like to say that working on a film is not easy. The only people that do it are people that love the work (and this is especially true on lower budget films). So it's a kick in the teeth when someone says that while they like your work enough to watch it, they don't like it enough to spend money on it.

I know I can't stop everyone from
I respect people who don't download movies or music, and I don't respect people who do. Yes. I work in the industry. I'm a freelance Boom Operator.

I would just like to say that working on a film is not easy. The only people that do it are people that love the work (and this is especially true on lower budget films). So it's a kick in the teeth when someone says that while they like your work enough to watch it, they don't like it enough to spend money on it.

I know I can't stop everyone from downloading movies, because it is mostly inevitable but that certainly doesn't mean that I have to agree with it in any way.
8:07PM on 05/19/2010
Props to SoundGirl once again. Great to hear that someone who sounds like she truly loves film is able to work in the biz. Congrats!

This mean you're in LA? I'm making the big move myself in about a month..
Props to SoundGirl once again. Great to hear that someone who sounds like she truly loves film is able to work in the biz. Congrats!

This mean you're in LA? I'm making the big move myself in about a month..
8:29PM on 05/19/2010
Nope. Toronto.
Nope. Toronto.
12:46AM on 05/20/2010
Ignorant American me.
Ignorant American me.
7:07AM on 05/19/2010

LOL...hate him but love him...

His logic is correct, but he's such a dick with how he presented it.
His logic is correct, but he's such a dick with how he presented it.
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3:08AM on 05/19/2010
Nicolas Chartier is a prick and looks like one,too. Ok fine, downloading movies is illegal...big f**king deal! These guys make a bazillion dollars off one film and still wanna' whine and b*tch about it all day. In all honesty, I'd be annoyed if someone stole my work, too. I'd wanna' make that extra million if I could. But I'd target the system and it's loopholes...not the people who are able to save an extra dime or two via downloads. Plus his analogy is completely idiotic. What a douchebag.
Nicolas Chartier is a prick and looks like one,too. Ok fine, downloading movies is illegal...big f**king deal! These guys make a bazillion dollars off one film and still wanna' whine and b*tch about it all day. In all honesty, I'd be annoyed if someone stole my work, too. I'd wanna' make that extra million if I could. But I'd target the system and it's loopholes...not the people who are able to save an extra dime or two via downloads. Plus his analogy is completely idiotic. What a douchebag.
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8:31AM on 05/19/2010
Sure, a "bazillion" dollars off of one film. How about the "zero" dollars for everything this guy has worked on, which hasn't gone anywhere.

Analogy time:

Imagine you're the CEO of a cell phone company. You're putting millions of dollars into R&D to develop the new hot thing. Your company spends months putting this thing together, testing it, reworking it, and finally you make something great.
Then some douche comes along, steals a prototype and sells it to a factory owner in China. They
Sure, a "bazillion" dollars off of one film. How about the "zero" dollars for everything this guy has worked on, which hasn't gone anywhere.

Analogy time:

Imagine you're the CEO of a cell phone company. You're putting millions of dollars into R&D to develop the new hot thing. Your company spends months putting this thing together, testing it, reworking it, and finally you make something great.
Then some douche comes along, steals a prototype and sells it to a factory owner in China. They mass produce your phone and release it to the world.

Do you have a right to be pissed? Yes. Do you also have a right to be pissed at the guys just trying to save a buck by buying the rip off instead of your product? Yes.
3:13AM on 05/20/2010
Sure, but you're just reinstating what I said. I agreed I'd like to make the extra bucks AND I'd be pissed that my hard work got crapped on. But no, I wouldn't be pissed with the people who benefit off the cheaper (or free) products...I'd be mad at the system or the ones who allowed it to happen. Sure, "supply and demand" is the key, but cut-off the supply and there's no alternative. You can't blame people for wanting to save money every chance they get, so let's stop trying to sue people who
Sure, but you're just reinstating what I said. I agreed I'd like to make the extra bucks AND I'd be pissed that my hard work got crapped on. But no, I wouldn't be pissed with the people who benefit off the cheaper (or free) products...I'd be mad at the system or the ones who allowed it to happen. Sure, "supply and demand" is the key, but cut-off the supply and there's no alternative. You can't blame people for wanting to save money every chance they get, so let's stop trying to sue people who download.
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2:50AM on 05/19/2010

Douche'

Wait, wasn't this the same guy everyone loved for riping on Avatar a few months back???
Once a douche, always a douche. He even looks like one.
Good work, tard.
Wait, wasn't this the same guy everyone loved for riping on Avatar a few months back???
Once a douche, always a douche. He even looks like one.
Good work, tard.
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2:29AM on 05/19/2010

Nicolas is missing the point.

If you put your heart and sole into a film, not to mention a whole mess of money that in most case was probably someone else's, into baking a cake. And then someone came and took your cake and gave away slices to anyone who wanted a taste, for free. You'd be pissed about it as well. I think Chartier was perfectly justified saying it the way he did,and I surprised it was simply an email reply, I would have taken out full page ad's in HR and Variety to tell everyone that I will not let people
If you put your heart and sole into a film, not to mention a whole mess of money that in most case was probably someone else's, into baking a cake. And then someone came and took your cake and gave away slices to anyone who wanted a taste, for free. You'd be pissed about it as well. I think Chartier was perfectly justified saying it the way he did,and I surprised it was simply an email reply, I would have taken out full page ad's in HR and Variety to tell everyone that I will not let people take my film. And sign it with a PS Avatar is still overrated.
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4:25PM on 05/19/2010
You are really ok with Chartier saying that this guy's family should wind up in jail and calling this guy (whose email was in a respectful tone) a moron for simply disagreeing with him?

I disagree with you about Avatar being overrated, but does that make you a moron? No it doesn't. Chartier should be ashamed for being so spiteful and angry, for no reason.
You are really ok with Chartier saying that this guy's family should wind up in jail and calling this guy (whose email was in a respectful tone) a moron for simply disagreeing with him?

I disagree with you about Avatar being overrated, but does that make you a moron? No it doesn't. Chartier should be ashamed for being so spiteful and angry, for no reason.
5:48PM on 05/19/2010
If your comparing it to food, don't companies give out free samples to people so they can tell their friends how good it was? What about Fast Food Places that have buy 1 get 1 free, Hurt Locker should consider that for every ticket it sold, someone else watched it for free!
If your comparing it to food, don't companies give out free samples to people so they can tell their friends how good it was? What about Fast Food Places that have buy 1 get 1 free, Hurt Locker should consider that for every ticket it sold, someone else watched it for free!
1:18AM on 05/20/2010
filmguy450,

I am never OK with bringing family into an argument. But if you see past the spite and resentment, and overall douchetness of the way Chartier said it. At the end of the day he is right. Anyone who watches a downloaded film is in possession of stolen merchandise. And your right, the man who wrote the original letter is kinda dumb. He stepped forward and basically said I'm not giving Voltage Pictures my business anymore cause they yelled at me for stealing from them. That's
filmguy450,

I am never OK with bringing family into an argument. But if you see past the spite and resentment, and overall douchetness of the way Chartier said it. At the end of the day he is right. Anyone who watches a downloaded film is in possession of stolen merchandise. And your right, the man who wrote the original letter is kinda dumb. He stepped forward and basically said I'm not giving Voltage Pictures my business anymore cause they yelled at me for stealing from them. That's stupid.

Freddyrich, free samples that are given by a, as well as two for one coupons are distributed by a company for sole purpose of gaining more business. This film was taken from Voltage pictures, duplicated, and posted on the internet. it was not the actions of the studio to put it online, it was the actions of a thief. And it's wrong.
2:03AM on 05/19/2010

LEAKED

How about going after the Motherfucker who leaked it?? There's an Idea? He is ultimately responsible. I buy movies for Haji's in Iraq all the time, everyone does, Is he going to sue all the Soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan as well? Bitch ass mofo, people are suffering and this fag is worried about making a few more thousand dollars. I understand his argument, but he's targeting the wrong people
How about going after the Motherfucker who leaked it?? There's an Idea? He is ultimately responsible. I buy movies for Haji's in Iraq all the time, everyone does, Is he going to sue all the Soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan as well? Bitch ass mofo, people are suffering and this fag is worried about making a few more thousand dollars. I understand his argument, but he's targeting the wrong people
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3:20PM on 05/19/2010
maybe the "wrong people should not shift responsibility to the perpatrator, but rather be responsible for their own actions. they break the law. end of story. the person who leaked it, copied it, sold it only do so because those "wrong people" patronize the illegal copy or what have you.
maybe the "wrong people should not shift responsibility to the perpatrator, but rather be responsible for their own actions. they break the law. end of story. the person who leaked it, copied it, sold it only do so because those "wrong people" patronize the illegal copy or what have you.
1:38AM on 05/19/2010

I'm an "honest" person

I saw it in theater. Downloaded it. Then bought the blu-ray. How much money did he lose for my illegal actions? I'd say none.
I saw it in theater. Downloaded it. Then bought the blu-ray. How much money did he lose for my illegal actions? I'd say none.
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1:43AM on 05/19/2010
Ticket price x however many times you watched it after downloading BEFORE you bought the Blu-ray = how much you owe (and a fraction of that goes to Chartier).

I'd say that's a pretty simple equation.

Though, no one can say you haven't shelled out SOME dough for THL. Good for you, honestly.
Ticket price x however many times you watched it after downloading BEFORE you bought the Blu-ray = how much you owe (and a fraction of that goes to Chartier).

I'd say that's a pretty simple equation.

Though, no one can say you haven't shelled out SOME dough for THL. Good for you, honestly.
1:35AM on 05/19/2010

to be fair

the movie had the pace of a snail, i liked it, but the public wants fast paced action and strange looking characters.
the movie had the pace of a snail, i liked it, but the public wants fast paced action and strange looking characters.
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1:33AM on 05/19/2010

Yes, He Has A Right To....

demand and want damages that were inflicted upon his film by downloading. And yes, downloading is stealing, but here as Nicolas' email (even if you don't agree with it) was respectful, tactful, and thoughtful, Chartier's was rude, douchey, nasty, hateful, and mean spirited.

And that here is the real issue- Yes, Chartier should do something (but he's doing the wrong thing in my opinion), but does he honestly have to be such a complete and utter fuckwad in his response to Nicolas? He took
demand and want damages that were inflicted upon his film by downloading. And yes, downloading is stealing, but here as Nicolas' email (even if you don't agree with it) was respectful, tactful, and thoughtful, Chartier's was rude, douchey, nasty, hateful, and mean spirited.

And that here is the real issue- Yes, Chartier should do something (but he's doing the wrong thing in my opinion), but does he honestly have to be such a complete and utter fuckwad in his response to Nicolas? He took things way, way too personal, and much too far, which is funny considering the first email concedes he has the right to (try and) stop the pirating of his films, just that he's going about it in a wrong way. So how does Chartier respond?

By name calling and wishing his family lands in jail. That is immature, wrong, and so completely brazen it's painful.

It seems as if Chartier is careening his career right off a cliff, which is sad. The Hurt Locker, while vastly overrated, was effective.
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8:17AM on 05/19/2010
I would argue that Nicholas' email is whiney and underhanded, while Chartier's email is hilarious.
I would argue that Nicholas' email is whiney and underhanded, while Chartier's email is hilarious.
1:30AM on 05/19/2010

what a fucking...

DOUCHE
DOUCHE
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1:26AM on 05/19/2010
To be fair it is not like walikg into a house and taking someone's possessions. It is more like walking into their house and making clones of thir possessions.
To be fair it is not like walikg into a house and taking someone's possessions. It is more like walking into their house and making clones of thir possessions.
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1:13AM on 05/19/2010
Regardless of Chartier's tact (or lack thereof), there's no excuse for ripping him (or anyone else) off. And no, technology does not make the issue "fuzzy." It's stealing, plain and simple. If you despise (envy is more like it) him for his money, that's your problem, not his. Go make a movie yourself and see if you sing the same tune. In the meantime, you are not entitled to watch movies, for free or otherwise. I find it bitterly ironic that some of you think that because they cost so much and
Regardless of Chartier's tact (or lack thereof), there's no excuse for ripping him (or anyone else) off. And no, technology does not make the issue "fuzzy." It's stealing, plain and simple. If you despise (envy is more like it) him for his money, that's your problem, not his. Go make a movie yourself and see if you sing the same tune. In the meantime, you are not entitled to watch movies, for free or otherwise. I find it bitterly ironic that some of you think that because they cost so much and their creators make so much, that you're entitled to see them for free. IMPORTANT NOTE: there are more important things in life than entertainment and most are free. I am completely against our sue-happy culture, but I am equally against stealing (of which suing is a form). On the flip side, how hypocritical that the same industry that preaches and promotes the "nanny state" and "spread the wealth" philosophies uses every weapon in their arsenal to fight against it when it happens to them.
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1:29AM on 05/19/2010
The fuzziness comes from the ease with which people can access free "versions" of the product, as well as the misunderstood perception of impact distance. By that, I mean you steal a candy bar, it affects the store. You see who you're hurting. You stream a free movie online, there are layers and layers that mask the countless authors and collaborators as well as you, the pirating viewer.

Stealing is stealing, but you cannot disregard the complexity of technology due to the rigidity of that
The fuzziness comes from the ease with which people can access free "versions" of the product, as well as the misunderstood perception of impact distance. By that, I mean you steal a candy bar, it affects the store. You see who you're hurting. You stream a free movie online, there are layers and layers that mask the countless authors and collaborators as well as you, the pirating viewer.

Stealing is stealing, but you cannot disregard the complexity of technology due to the rigidity of that notion. The very presence of such a strong, ignorant body of protestors only sheds light on how differently society views these things and what mentalities have flourished in the age of the Internet.
1:34AM on 05/19/2010
But did he have to be such a doucemonger about it?
But did he have to be such a doucemonger about it?
1:54AM on 05/19/2010
Oh absolutely not. Chartier's a small-time producer acting like an elitist prick, looking to demean an admittedly ignorant dude and possibly ruin the lives of hundreds of people who may or may not have consciously done wrong.
Oh absolutely not. Chartier's a small-time producer acting like an elitist prick, looking to demean an admittedly ignorant dude and possibly ruin the lives of hundreds of people who may or may not have consciously done wrong.
12:25AM on 05/19/2010
Someone should e-mail him and say they're going to pass out 100 free burned copies of The Hurt Locker, then buy Avatar on blu-ray. I want him to go off on another angry rant.
Someone should e-mail him and say they're going to pass out 100 free burned copies of The Hurt Locker, then buy Avatar on blu-ray. I want him to go off on another angry rant.
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12:33AM on 05/19/2010
Yes to that! Do it. We need to make that dirtbag suffer and we need to boycott everything he makes. Why should he steal our money by suing us! DOWNLOAD IT!!!
Yes to that! Do it. We need to make that dirtbag suffer and we need to boycott everything he makes. Why should he steal our money by suing us! DOWNLOAD IT!!!
2:07AM on 05/19/2010
Nah, he's a dirtbag for sure, but I don't really want to download The Hurt Locker (or buy Avatar,) I just want to see him fly off the handle.
Nah, he's a dirtbag for sure, but I don't really want to download The Hurt Locker (or buy Avatar,) I just want to see him fly off the handle.
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12:18AM on 05/19/2010
Stop being tools! The more we pay for movies, the more they're going to make shitty films! Nothing's good anymore. Everything's either a remake, sequel or reboot. We need to boycott him, and every other studio out there! All they're doing is taking our money on films that are terrible and lame. They're STEALING FROM US!!! BOYCOTT AND FORCE THEM TO SPREAD THE WEALTH! We need to band together and stop any more movies from coming out until they either make movies that are worth watching or stop
Stop being tools! The more we pay for movies, the more they're going to make shitty films! Nothing's good anymore. Everything's either a remake, sequel or reboot. We need to boycott him, and every other studio out there! All they're doing is taking our money on films that are terrible and lame. They're STEALING FROM US!!! BOYCOTT AND FORCE THEM TO SPREAD THE WEALTH! We need to band together and stop any more movies from coming out until they either make movies that are worth watching or stop watching movies entirely. Nothing is good anymore! On the plus side, we can also hit them hard with downloading and selling as many movies as we can. It's the solution for the disease known as hollywood! Download it! It might as well be ours.
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8:14AM on 05/19/2010
Actually, the more you pay for shitty films, the more they'll make shitty films. It's called capitalism. A product is created, and the market reacts favourably or unfavourably. Ideas or products which are not seen as being profitable are less likely to be mimicked, while successful products will be mimicked.

If you don't like what Hollywood is making, stop watching. Or actually put in some effort and make your own damn movie.
Actually, the more you pay for shitty films, the more they'll make shitty films. It's called capitalism. A product is created, and the market reacts favourably or unfavourably. Ideas or products which are not seen as being profitable are less likely to be mimicked, while successful products will be mimicked.

If you don't like what Hollywood is making, stop watching. Or actually put in some effort and make your own damn movie.
12:06AM on 05/19/2010

Bring It

Can we sue him for producing such a boring fucking movie?
Can we sue him for producing such a boring fucking movie?
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2:28AM on 05/19/2010
Says the man with the Never Back Down picture.
Says the man with the Never Back Down picture.
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11:56PM on 05/18/2010
Chartier makes reasonable point but he comes off as childish and moronic in his letter as well.

For the matter, Star Trek and Transformers 2 were the most pirated movies of last year and that still did not stop them from also being the highest grossing movies of last year.
Chartier makes reasonable point but he comes off as childish and moronic in his letter as well.

For the matter, Star Trek and Transformers 2 were the most pirated movies of last year and that still did not stop them from also being the highest grossing movies of last year.
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11:56PM on 05/18/2010

No matter how you slice it, it is stealing

What type of response did Nicholas expect?! He himself proves his ignorance by even drafting an email like that up in the first place and sending to Chartier.

They stole films, got caught and can't take the heat.

Instead of suing for money though - they should just disconnect their internet for a couple o' months.
What type of response did Nicholas expect?! He himself proves his ignorance by even drafting an email like that up in the first place and sending to Chartier.

They stole films, got caught and can't take the heat.

Instead of suing for money though - they should just disconnect their internet for a couple o' months.
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12:29AM on 05/19/2010
Bull. I borrow movies at the Library. Is that stealing too? I'll let you borrow a movie from my personal library. Is that stealing as well? He's nothing but a overly sensitive guy who can't let go of his money. TAKE IT FROM HIM!
Bull. I borrow movies at the Library. Is that stealing too? I'll let you borrow a movie from my personal library. Is that stealing as well? He's nothing but a overly sensitive guy who can't let go of his money. TAKE IT FROM HIM!
2:24AM on 05/19/2010
092509, There are two holes in your Library theory. Library books are donated, in large part by either publishers or people that have already purchased the book. And if you do not return it, then you are charged for it. If you don;t take it back, then you have essentially stolen it and the punishment is the fine/ cost to replace.

That's not the case here. Someone else took this movie from Voltage Pictures and put it up for free on a site. When you download it, you are downloading a stolen
092509, There are two holes in your Library theory. Library books are donated, in large part by either publishers or people that have already purchased the book. And if you do not return it, then you are charged for it. If you don;t take it back, then you have essentially stolen it and the punishment is the fine/ cost to replace.

That's not the case here. Someone else took this movie from Voltage Pictures and put it up for free on a site. When you download it, you are downloading a stolen item, and in California, it is illegal to be int he possession of stolen merchandize. Even if you got it for free. Should they go after the people that leaked it, YES. But by going after the people that download it also, a much easier thing to track as it turns out, they are trying to eliminate the need.
11:51PM on 05/18/2010
I'm going to side with Chartier, downloading movies is stealing. But I think it would be wiser for them to go after the torrent sites and companies that allow the pirating rather than the individuals who download. That being said, the people who are downloading shouldn't just get away with it and they should have to pay some sort of fine and/or jailtime depending on how many they've downloaded.
I'm going to side with Chartier, downloading movies is stealing. But I think it would be wiser for them to go after the torrent sites and companies that allow the pirating rather than the individuals who download. That being said, the people who are downloading shouldn't just get away with it and they should have to pay some sort of fine and/or jailtime depending on how many they've downloaded.
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11:46PM on 05/18/2010

COMMUNISM IN HOLLYWOOD!

Why Boycott when we can start a revolution??? This bastard is sitting behind his desk collecting the money from our tickets (which we can't afford anyway) and he's still willing to sue us? F that. He needs to spread the wealth! We need free movies! We need to download it! Art needs to be free and socially available to everyone! If I want to download it and sell it off for some profit let me! HE HAS TOO MUCH MONEY!!! Either give it to us or stop charging us for tickets. I'm sick and tired of us
Why Boycott when we can start a revolution??? This bastard is sitting behind his desk collecting the money from our tickets (which we can't afford anyway) and he's still willing to sue us? F that. He needs to spread the wealth! We need free movies! We need to download it! Art needs to be free and socially available to everyone! If I want to download it and sell it off for some profit let me! HE HAS TOO MUCH MONEY!!! Either give it to us or stop charging us for tickets. I'm sick and tired of us not having enough to pay for a ticket or others feeling guilty about download. DOWNLOAD IT FOR YOUR PLEASURE! ONCE THE MOVIE'S OUT, IT'S YOURS TOO!

I'm still going to download it, sell it and I'm still going to send him e-mails threatening to do it too. This is a free country and we can do whatever the hell we want. Stop having so much money. It's not fair. In fact, I'll go to your house and just take your things. Why do YOU need them. You don't deserve them!

Bitch.
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8:08AM on 05/19/2010
Wooh anarchy!
That's what you're getting at right?

Well, anarchy is all well and good, until a bigger douche than you steals all your stuff and there's no laws to stop them.
Wooh anarchy!
That's what you're getting at right?

Well, anarchy is all well and good, until a bigger douche than you steals all your stuff and there's no laws to stop them.
8:01PM on 05/21/2010
Then I can shoot you in the face for being a dumb shit?
Then I can shoot you in the face for being a dumb shit?
10:50PM on 05/18/2010

Peace and love to Outsider and SoundGirl...

It's just a rough subject to debate. Both sides have valid points which makes it a toughy. I call for a cease-fire! :-)
It's just a rough subject to debate. Both sides have valid points which makes it a toughy. I call for a cease-fire! :-)
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11:47PM on 05/18/2010
Don't. Stand up for your right to watch movies. Why should you bow down to peace when you can assert your views!
Don't. Stand up for your right to watch movies. Why should you bow down to peace when you can assert your views!
10:48PM on 05/18/2010
I'm against pirating and all, but Mr. Chartier just cemented himself as a grade-A asshole. Calling this person a moron and accusing him of pirating when the original email never even mentioned an interest in pirating films (and even agreed that Chartier had a right to defend his IP!) is just low.

What a son of a bitch.
I'm against pirating and all, but Mr. Chartier just cemented himself as a grade-A asshole. Calling this person a moron and accusing him of pirating when the original email never even mentioned an interest in pirating films (and even agreed that Chartier had a right to defend his IP!) is just low.

What a son of a bitch.
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10:25PM on 05/18/2010
hEY MR. PRODUCER FUCKTARD...next time don't have a dvd screener leaked 5 months befor ethe movie is released in USA..you deserved not to make any money if you are that fucking stupid.
hEY MR. PRODUCER FUCKTARD...next time don't have a dvd screener leaked 5 months befor ethe movie is released in USA..you deserved not to make any money if you are that fucking stupid.
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10:29PM on 05/18/2010
That wasn't the producer's fault though dude. That's not an argument.
That wasn't the producer's fault though dude. That's not an argument.
11:50PM on 05/18/2010
He's right though! He makes too much money and his greed is the reason for this conversation!!! We need to take this things and order a new law stating that all movies shall be free or else we just won't watch them. BOYCOTT!!!
He's right though! He makes too much money and his greed is the reason for this conversation!!! We need to take this things and order a new law stating that all movies shall be free or else we just won't watch them. BOYCOTT!!!
10:14PM on 05/18/2010

It's a difficult subject...

Everyone has points on both sides and as technology improves, those sides become fuzzier than ever.
Everyone has points on both sides and as technology improves, those sides become fuzzier than ever.
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1:37AM on 05/19/2010
Elder, as usual, you are a voice of sane reasoning, and it has been a pleasure reading all of the comments between you, Sound Girl, and Outsider. Your debates were vastly entertaining, enlightening, and each made excellent and valid points.

Save for one thing, I don't think the issue in the article is whether Chartier is right or not (they are stealing, so he is), but it's because of how much of an asshole he was being to a reasonable, well thought out, and respectful email.
Elder, as usual, you are a voice of sane reasoning, and it has been a pleasure reading all of the comments between you, Sound Girl, and Outsider. Your debates were vastly entertaining, enlightening, and each made excellent and valid points.

Save for one thing, I don't think the issue in the article is whether Chartier is right or not (they are stealing, so he is), but it's because of how much of an asshole he was being to a reasonable, well thought out, and respectful email.
10:06PM on 05/18/2010
Lmao! This guy is suing people for "stealing" his movie. Yet he stole it from Master Sgt. Jeffrey Sarver!

HAHAHAHA! Talk about irony!

Seriously. This guy is scum.

Also, file sharing IS NOT STEALING! Ridiculous for anyone to even suggest that.
Lmao! This guy is suing people for "stealing" his movie. Yet he stole it from Master Sgt. Jeffrey Sarver!

HAHAHAHA! Talk about irony!

Seriously. This guy is scum.

Also, file sharing IS NOT STEALING! Ridiculous for anyone to even suggest that.
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11:49PM on 05/18/2010
You're right! It's not. It's just ours like anyone else's. Art needs to be shared and thusly, it might as well be free. I like your logic. This guy needs to be shot or something. Complete A hole.
You're right! It's not. It's just ours like anyone else's. Art needs to be shared and thusly, it might as well be free. I like your logic. This guy needs to be shot or something. Complete A hole.
12:04AM on 05/19/2010
Are you actually being serious right now, 092509? It's yours because it exists, regardless of time and effort put into production? Oh, I see, I see. So shit should be free and handed to you on a silver platter, huh?

So, uh, where's the money coming from to MAKE the fucking things?

This isn't "art." It's an entertainment "product," produced in an INDUSTRY (as SoundGirl has noted). Wake the fuck up.

And to Derkesthai, if the file is obtained illegally, it IS stealing.
Are you actually being serious right now, 092509? It's yours because it exists, regardless of time and effort put into production? Oh, I see, I see. So shit should be free and handed to you on a silver platter, huh?

So, uh, where's the money coming from to MAKE the fucking things?

This isn't "art." It's an entertainment "product," produced in an INDUSTRY (as SoundGirl has noted). Wake the fuck up.

And to Derkesthai, if the file is obtained illegally, it IS stealing.
12:14AM on 05/19/2010
@ Outsider

If I handed you a DVD to a movie you hadn't seen and said "Dude, you've got to see this." and let you borrow it, would that be stealing?

You saw the movie for free. You didn't pay a dime.

That's the exact same thing as file sharing.

Just because they want to claim it is stealing, doesn't make it so. Once upon a time, recording a TV show on to video tape to watch later was considered stealing. Many people were sued over it. Now we have TiVo.
@ Outsider

If I handed you a DVD to a movie you hadn't seen and said "Dude, you've got to see this." and let you borrow it, would that be stealing?

You saw the movie for free. You didn't pay a dime.

That's the exact same thing as file sharing.

Just because they want to claim it is stealing, doesn't make it so. Once upon a time, recording a TV show on to video tape to watch later was considered stealing. Many people were sued over it. Now we have TiVo.
12:22AM on 05/19/2010
Way to go Derkestai! Outsider you are wasting away your money on the trash that's playing in hollyndwood. They're taking your money and for what? These aren't good films and if they are then why should we suffer financially? We need to download them and make profit out of them. He is stealing from us and we are nothing but tools.
Way to go Derkestai! Outsider you are wasting away your money on the trash that's playing in hollyndwood. They're taking your money and for what? These aren't good films and if they are then why should we suffer financially? We need to download them and make profit out of them. He is stealing from us and we are nothing but tools.
12:40AM on 05/19/2010
Derkesthai -- you're addressing the very dilemma of digital reproduction. You can't liken letting a friend borrow your DVD and letting a million people borrow one million versions of the DVD SIMULTANEOUSLY, always and forever, over the wide world of webs. It's a free courtesy to a few versus making a product universally accessible against the will of its makers. Sure, you can try and situate the two scenarios side by side because they are vaguely similar, but they're FAAAAR from the same.
Derkesthai -- you're addressing the very dilemma of digital reproduction. You can't liken letting a friend borrow your DVD and letting a million people borrow one million versions of the DVD SIMULTANEOUSLY, always and forever, over the wide world of webs. It's a free courtesy to a few versus making a product universally accessible against the will of its makers. Sure, you can try and situate the two scenarios side by side because they are vaguely similar, but they're FAAAAR from the same.

And 092509, I can't even dignify your ignorant and outlandish statements as rational or worthwhile. I'm half-expecting you to be joking with everyone with your posts, but your poor grammar matches the silliness of your antics, leading me to believe that you're serious and, quite unfortunately, sincere.
3:08AM on 05/19/2010
What, you don't think millions of people borrow DVDs? You don't think millions of people borrowed The Hurt Lock from friends and friends of friends? It's what spreads interest. File sharing is the same.

For instance look at South Park. For years their ratings were far from that of their heyday. Their ratings during this heyday was in the 3s, then their ratings slumped and hovered in the mid 1s & low 2s. Then they put every single one of their episodes online for free. Not only that, but
What, you don't think millions of people borrow DVDs? You don't think millions of people borrowed The Hurt Lock from friends and friends of friends? It's what spreads interest. File sharing is the same.

For instance look at South Park. For years their ratings were far from that of their heyday. Their ratings during this heyday was in the 3s, then their ratings slumped and hovered in the mid 1s & low 2s. Then they put every single one of their episodes online for free. Not only that, but they also place new episodes online the very night they air. You know what happened? Their ratings skyrocketed. This season pulled in numbers in the 3s again. You know what else happened? There is really no point for people to download the episodes on bit torrent anymore. South Park strengthened their fan base, ratings, & sells by embracing technology. Embracing file sharing.

Another point. Avatar broke records by being the most download movie ever on bit torrent. So exactly how much did that movie lose?
10:47AM on 05/19/2010
You're clearly not seeing the difference in availability. Sure, millions of people lend out a couple DVDs to friends, who in turn may do the same, and the number of actual lending (or free viewing) goes up big time. You're right in that.

However, you're failing to acknowledge what digital sharing does. It creates an entire new plane of availability. If the sorts of illegal sharing we're talking about WERE legal, you'd have access to millions of people's collections simultaneously. These
You're clearly not seeing the difference in availability. Sure, millions of people lend out a couple DVDs to friends, who in turn may do the same, and the number of actual lending (or free viewing) goes up big time. You're right in that.

However, you're failing to acknowledge what digital sharing does. It creates an entire new plane of availability. If the sorts of illegal sharing we're talking about WERE legal, you'd have access to millions of people's collections simultaneously. These staggering numbers far outweigh the tangible DVD borrowing.

I can't speak to South Park directly, but I know online streaming on Hulu or network sites have commercial spots and are entirely paid for and LEGAL. I believe the debate currently is between illegal and legal file sharing, so maybe I misinterpreted you initially. I stand by the fact that if obtained illegally or reproduced online without consent, it's stealing. No example I can think of trumps this. Of course, I watch TV shows online all the time, from the legal sites who broadcast them. There's a stark difference between these and ripping a DVD and posting it online or videotaping a film in theatres.

And a bad example using Avatar. The film was record-breaking because it showcased the stunning capabilities of an explosive new technology. That experience couldn't be fully translated online, so people went to the theatre. Yeah, people watched it again and again illegally because it was the becoming the biggest thing ever, but Avatar's numbers prove that pirating technology is going to have to step it up. People wanted that theatre experience.

And you wanna talk about how much it may have lost? That's all hypothetical. You're not making any point whatsoever by saying it broke records while being downloaded a ton. "So exactly how much did that movie lose?" Well, since you posed the speculative question, I'll speculate an answer. If you assume every person who watched it illegally DIDN'T and instead went to the theatre, we'd have a $3-$4 billion movie on our hands. Obviously, you can't assume every person had the means or even motivation to do more than download. But it was the most downloaded for a reason, so yeah, I think a few of the downloaders would've gone and paid had it not been digitally available. And there's profit the film didn't see.
9:55PM on 05/18/2010

The whole thing suck cause....

There are downloaders out there who would never pay a dime to see a movie and I do think that is very wrong.
There are downloaders out there who would never pay a dime to see a movie and I do think that is very wrong.
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10:10PM on 05/18/2010
Yes their are people out there that just download movies and will never pay for them. But i can also understand sometimes. Prices alone, if you want to take your family to the movies your gonna spend atleast 40 on tickets not included drinks and food.Plus having to deal with assholes. Sometimes thats hard for families to do especially in this economy. So if somone downloads a movie for him and his family to watch, you know what i don't blame him. Im not saying the hurt locker is a family movie
Yes their are people out there that just download movies and will never pay for them. But i can also understand sometimes. Prices alone, if you want to take your family to the movies your gonna spend atleast 40 on tickets not included drinks and food.Plus having to deal with assholes. Sometimes thats hard for families to do especially in this economy. So if somone downloads a movie for him and his family to watch, you know what i don't blame him. Im not saying the hurt locker is a family movie but in general
10:24PM on 05/18/2010
If you don't have the $40 to take your kids our to see a movie, then a reasonable sacrifice is renting a slightly older movie for $5, not stealing the new movie.
If you don't have the $40 to take your kids our to see a movie, then a reasonable sacrifice is renting a slightly older movie for $5, not stealing the new movie.
11:00PM on 05/18/2010
I don't have kids, I'm just sayin. I dont think its that big of a deal.
I don't have kids, I'm just sayin. I dont think its that big of a deal.
11:28PM on 05/18/2010
The point is that there are reasonable solutions to "I don't have enough money for _____."

"I don't have enough money to buy gas."
Reasonable solution: Take the Bus.
Unreasonable Solution: Syphon gas out of parked cars.

"I don't have enough money to buy new clothes."
Reasonable Solution: Go to a thrift store or charity.
Unreasonable Solution: Steal shit.
The point is that there are reasonable solutions to "I don't have enough money for _____."

"I don't have enough money to buy gas."
Reasonable solution: Take the Bus.
Unreasonable Solution: Syphon gas out of parked cars.

"I don't have enough money to buy new clothes."
Reasonable Solution: Go to a thrift store or charity.
Unreasonable Solution: Steal shit.
9:53PM on 05/18/2010
I agree that pirating movies is wrong but he was quite douchey about the whole ordeal and the money he is seeking in this lawsuit are a bit outrageous.
I agree that pirating movies is wrong but he was quite douchey about the whole ordeal and the money he is seeking in this lawsuit are a bit outrageous.
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9:50PM on 05/18/2010
Yup...not surprised.
Yup...not surprised.
9:45PM on 05/18/2010

I don't agree with pirating...

Let me put it this way as I do agree with what the supporters of Chartier are saying.

Pirating is a very shit business and I don't agree with it which is why I've never downloaded a pirated movie in my life. I pay for an account to download movies about a week before they hit store shelves which is very common now for retailers and reviewers alike.

But it must be understood that there is no difference between downloading a movie and taking a book from a library and photocopying pages from
Let me put it this way as I do agree with what the supporters of Chartier are saying.

Pirating is a very shit business and I don't agree with it which is why I've never downloaded a pirated movie in my life. I pay for an account to download movies about a week before they hit store shelves which is very common now for retailers and reviewers alike.

But it must be understood that there is no difference between downloading a movie and taking a book from a library and photocopying pages from it to write an exam paper. It's the same thing and that was realized by a judge up here in Canada quite a while ago when the issue came up.

I have Netflix and all the rest and a collection of 147 Blu-Ray's and nearly 700 DVD's. Not to mention that I saw nearly 65 movies in the theatre last year alone. So when it comes down to it all, I'm not going to apologize for downloading a small film to see it for the simple reason that it wasn't playing within 3 hours of where I live and I would have to wait nearly a year longer than everyone else to see it.

But that's just me and there are downloaders out there who would never pay a dime to see a movie and I do think that is very wrong.
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10:03PM on 05/18/2010
The decision made, here in Canada, was that P2P sharing sites are fundamentally the same as a public library. This was to ensure that people using such sites for legitimate and personal file transfers couldn't be charged.

Having the ability to transfer content (which you have already purchased) from one medium to another for your own personal use is also legal in Canada. So if I own a DVD and I copy it to watch on my iPod, that is legal.

Uploading content which you do not hold the rights to
The decision made, here in Canada, was that P2P sharing sites are fundamentally the same as a public library. This was to ensure that people using such sites for legitimate and personal file transfers couldn't be charged.

Having the ability to transfer content (which you have already purchased) from one medium to another for your own personal use is also legal in Canada. So if I own a DVD and I copy it to watch on my iPod, that is legal.

Uploading content which you do not hold the rights to is still very illegal in Canada.
10:08PM on 05/18/2010
You're exactly right but the right to share information is still valid even if the author's consent is not given and that is not right. Businesses are supposed to give money to advertising markets to play certain music in their restaurants but most don't.

It's a wide world of interpretation SoundGirl and everyone has their own say in it.

Even with downloading, production staff and crew are still getting payed and independently financed films are bigger than ever.
You're exactly right but the right to share information is still valid even if the author's consent is not given and that is not right. Businesses are supposed to give money to advertising markets to play certain music in their restaurants but most don't.

It's a wide world of interpretation SoundGirl and everyone has their own say in it.

Even with downloading, production staff and crew are still getting payed and independently financed films are bigger than ever.
10:19PM on 05/18/2010
"No difference between downloading a movie and taking a book from the library and photocopying pages from it to write an exam paper."

Uh, big difference. For the library, you're either paying for a library card (though a small fee) or establishing a free account or something proving that you're a citizen and whatnot. So making copies of a book that's already paid for or free is merely being courteous to others who may want the book. That way, it's not being hogged while one crams to write a
"No difference between downloading a movie and taking a book from the library and photocopying pages from it to write an exam paper."

Uh, big difference. For the library, you're either paying for a library card (though a small fee) or establishing a free account or something proving that you're a citizen and whatnot. So making copies of a book that's already paid for or free is merely being courteous to others who may want the book. That way, it's not being hogged while one crams to write a term paper.

Now if one DOESN'T have a card and goes in to photocopy, it IS the same as downloading. And both are wrong. I can't see the library as a legit comparison because libraries are constants. Doesn't hold up in my book.

And listing all the ways you personally don't download doesn't make you right in your hypothetical. That one movie you can't see 'cause it's three hours away and you're low on cash? Too bad. Wait for the DVD.
10:21PM on 05/18/2010
I'm sorry Outsider but I can't remember the last time I went to a public library at a school and saw kids actually have to pay to use a photocopier. Perhaps in college or public libraries but that is simply to cover the cost of paper used, nothing else.
I'm sorry Outsider but I can't remember the last time I went to a public library at a school and saw kids actually have to pay to use a photocopier. Perhaps in college or public libraries but that is simply to cover the cost of paper used, nothing else.
10:24PM on 05/18/2010
"Too bad. Wait for the DVD".

Sounds like someone who always has the means to see exactly what he wants to see at any time. I'm in Canada dude, do you know how hard it is to receive small independent films on any format up here? Most never get here at all. I remember it took OVER TWO YEARS for Guy Ritchie's "REVOLVER" to get here and when it did, I had to drive to an hour to get it. Is that fair to me? Obviously not.
"Too bad. Wait for the DVD".

Sounds like someone who always has the means to see exactly what he wants to see at any time. I'm in Canada dude, do you know how hard it is to receive small independent films on any format up here? Most never get here at all. I remember it took OVER TWO YEARS for Guy Ritchie's "REVOLVER" to get here and when it did, I had to drive to an hour to get it. Is that fair to me? Obviously not.
10:49PM on 05/18/2010
Elder, I see we're at a stalemate here, though strangely we kind of agree (not to take agree with either of the Nicholases above). But I don't like that I'm being painted a villain just because I happened to live near an indie theatre. It's just the way it is.

The base reality here: stealing is illegal, and though admittedly hazy and complex, pirating is currently illegal. You mention that you don't do it, of course, but you follow up by saying doing it once for a movie that you can't
Elder, I see we're at a stalemate here, though strangely we kind of agree (not to take agree with either of the Nicholases above). But I don't like that I'm being painted a villain just because I happened to live near an indie theatre. It's just the way it is.

The base reality here: stealing is illegal, and though admittedly hazy and complex, pirating is currently illegal. You mention that you don't do it, of course, but you follow up by saying doing it once for a movie that you can't find or that's too far away is right (or acceptable, I'm not quoting you directly). Sure it's fucking easy to download, and pretty tempting if it's released all around the world 'cept near you, and you'll probably get away with it in the end just that one time you click the button...but it's not right just because you have it tough. It sucks, I know.

But a lot of things suck.
10:53PM on 05/18/2010
I don't think you're the villain bud. I just think you need to put yourself in other people's shoes as well. Especially when the average movie costs $30 per person these days after food, gas, etc.

It's not an excuse but many people take advantage of downloading regardless even if they do have money and that isn't right either.
I don't think you're the villain bud. I just think you need to put yourself in other people's shoes as well. Especially when the average movie costs $30 per person these days after food, gas, etc.

It's not an excuse but many people take advantage of downloading regardless even if they do have money and that isn't right either.
10:58PM on 05/18/2010
The difference, is that photocopying some pages in a book, for reference when writing an essay is considered "fair use". A similar comparison would be renting a dvd (or borrowing it from a library) and playing clips of it in front of a class for a presentation. While both copying a book, and displaying a film to a crowd, without the consent of the person who owns the rights to the book or DVD is illegal, it's still allowed because.. well, because no one's getting hurt by a kid just trying to
The difference, is that photocopying some pages in a book, for reference when writing an essay is considered "fair use". A similar comparison would be renting a dvd (or borrowing it from a library) and playing clips of it in front of a class for a presentation. While both copying a book, and displaying a film to a crowd, without the consent of the person who owns the rights to the book or DVD is illegal, it's still allowed because.. well, because no one's getting hurt by a kid just trying to get his homework done.

When you download a movie, for the pure purpose of consuming it's content, it's no different than stealing a candy bar from a store. It's something you want to have, but it isn't something you want to pay for, so you take it without paying for it. That is stealing.

I'm also not saying that downloading will stop movies from getting made, because it wont. What it might do, is stop a couple dozen people from being hired on as crew for a film because "that's just not in the budget". Or it might make it so that the people working on an independent film agree to work for less than minimum wage, because it's either that or not work at all. That is the reality of being someone who works in film.
11:02PM on 05/18/2010
I hear ya SoundGirl and you make a valid point.

Everyone has good points on this and I think we've covered/debated it pretty well. We'll leave the higher powers to decide what to do about it.
I hear ya SoundGirl and you make a valid point.

Everyone has good points on this and I think we've covered/debated it pretty well. We'll leave the higher powers to decide what to do about it.
11:12PM on 05/18/2010
I can certainly step outside the box, but yeah, in reality, I just have more access.

Yeah, it sucks, and yeah that's harsh for the boonies folk and non-USAers, but that's just the way it is. And yeah, I get that people do use this justification for downloading. I just cannot for the life of me see how they CAN'T see that it's still illegal, no matter how difficult their situations are.

Aaand I can't for the life of me think of a proper analogy for theft -- grocery store, library,
I can certainly step outside the box, but yeah, in reality, I just have more access.

Yeah, it sucks, and yeah that's harsh for the boonies folk and non-USAers, but that's just the way it is. And yeah, I get that people do use this justification for downloading. I just cannot for the life of me see how they CAN'T see that it's still illegal, no matter how difficult their situations are.

Aaand I can't for the life of me think of a proper analogy for theft -- grocery store, library, breaking and entering, etc. None of this shit applies. Just goes to show the changing times. I've said it like 100 times below, but I think that's where the solution lies, in adjusting current "biblical" laws (in the sense that they're perhaps outdated and in need of redefinition) and making clearer standards. Suing outright and destroying people's (and their families') well-being over a few clicks is way harsh, though as it stands, the companies have every right to.

But hell, I could accidentally click five ads and get The Nutty Professor on my desktop without my knowing. Who can ACCIDENTALLY steal a Bentley?

P.S. What the heck kinda food are you buying that jacks the price to $30?
11:13PM on 05/18/2010
And SoundGirl, you just quoted Manny Perry: Stuntman.
And SoundGirl, you just quoted Manny Perry: Stuntman.
11:14PM on 05/18/2010
Nothing special bud, just a regular soft drink and a regular popcorn. That's it. It's about $13 including tax for a ticket and about $15 including tax for food. So almost $30.
Nothing special bud, just a regular soft drink and a regular popcorn. That's it. It's about $13 including tax for a ticket and about $15 including tax for food. So almost $30.
11:23PM on 05/18/2010
Unintentional copying of stuntman = Awesome.

Maybe a better comparison would be navigating to DeviantArt, downloading the high-res version of someone's work, and making a nice big print to hang in your living room. (I know people probably do that as well, and they're all a bunch of d-bags in my books.)
Unintentional copying of stuntman = Awesome.

Maybe a better comparison would be navigating to DeviantArt, downloading the high-res version of someone's work, and making a nice big print to hang in your living room. (I know people probably do that as well, and they're all a bunch of d-bags in my books.)
11:26PM on 05/18/2010
Holy mother of overpriced snacks. I can't imagine spending that.

Though, I prefer not to eat or drink anything during my theatre trips, so as not to taint my experience. Bad time in Empire Strikes Back (rerelease) when I had to make a pee run and missed a crucial part (I was pretty little, hadn't seen it yet, and I recall being lost for the rest of the film..don't know why or how...so don't ask...).

At a matinee now, I'll drop $6. I rarely go to night flicks anymore (where it's $10-$12).
Holy mother of overpriced snacks. I can't imagine spending that.

Though, I prefer not to eat or drink anything during my theatre trips, so as not to taint my experience. Bad time in Empire Strikes Back (rerelease) when I had to make a pee run and missed a crucial part (I was pretty little, hadn't seen it yet, and I recall being lost for the rest of the film..don't know why or how...so don't ask...).

At a matinee now, I'll drop $6. I rarely go to night flicks anymore (where it's $10-$12).
11:29PM on 05/18/2010
Interesting comparison. One of my friends actually took a great photo and posted it on DA. We later found that, on our college campus, someone had used the same photo to advertise a crew call for his short film. God, some people, huh?
Interesting comparison. One of my friends actually took a great photo and posted it on DA. We later found that, on our college campus, someone had used the same photo to advertise a crew call for his short film. God, some people, huh?
11:36PM on 05/18/2010
Exactly.

That's why I can't fault this Chartier guy at all for his email. Nicholas is all like "It's so not cool that you're angry because people steal your work!" And then Chartier's all like "FU! I worked hard on that and would prefer if people didn't steal it."

Good for him.
Exactly.

That's why I can't fault this Chartier guy at all for his email. Nicholas is all like "It's so not cool that you're angry because people steal your work!" And then Chartier's all like "FU! I worked hard on that and would prefer if people didn't steal it."

Good for him.
11:49PM on 05/18/2010
I can certainly fault him for being a dick about it, but that doesn't mean he's not right.

Chartier should've seen the ignorant language of this complainer. Instead, he turned into a pompous, maniacal wolf and ripped apart an obviously dense individual.

I'm no good with comparisons, but I'd liken this to a shopkeeper punching a toddler for sneaking a shiny candy out the store in a stroller.
I can certainly fault him for being a dick about it, but that doesn't mean he's not right.

Chartier should've seen the ignorant language of this complainer. Instead, he turned into a pompous, maniacal wolf and ripped apart an obviously dense individual.

I'm no good with comparisons, but I'd liken this to a shopkeeper punching a toddler for sneaking a shiny candy out the store in a stroller.
9:35PM on 05/18/2010
i agree with the producer, the guy is stealing from his company when he downloads movies from the internet like that...i mean what does the producer have to apologize for??? if anyone owes an apology its the idiot that thinks its okay to still movies from his company
i agree with the producer, the guy is stealing from his company when he downloads movies from the internet like that...i mean what does the producer have to apologize for??? if anyone owes an apology its the idiot that thinks its okay to still movies from his company
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9:39PM on 05/18/2010
If anyone is to blame, its someone within the studio that released a DVD copy of it to torrent sites months before it got a limited release in the states.
If anyone is to blame, its someone within the studio that released a DVD copy of it to torrent sites months before it got a limited release in the states.
9:28PM on 05/18/2010

This fuckin guys...

a douche!!! First off, torrenting the hurt locker didnt hurt the film, not giving it a wide release did! If a movie is good people will go see it. for example, look at Taken. That movie was released over seas first and was on torrent sites in dvd format months before it came to the US. but the movie still managed to make 145,000,989 plus it was #1 at the box office for a couple weeks. Like i said, you make a good movie people will see it. Another example would be I am Legend. The weekend that
a douche!!! First off, torrenting the hurt locker didnt hurt the film, not giving it a wide release did! If a movie is good people will go see it. for example, look at Taken. That movie was released over seas first and was on torrent sites in dvd format months before it came to the US. but the movie still managed to make 145,000,989 plus it was #1 at the box office for a couple weeks. Like i said, you make a good movie people will see it. Another example would be I am Legend. The weekend that movie came out in the theaters it was on torrent sites in dvd format. Wasn't a great movie but it made $256,393,010 in the US alone. If hes going to blame anyone it should be himself. hes the one that didn't see any potential in this movie thats why it didn't get a wide release. And guess what, people loved it (for the most part) If he took a chance and gave it a wider release, he would have banked lovely on this film. But since he fucked up he has to put the blame on someone else. Of course people are going to download it. There was a dvdrip of this movie on torrent sites at least 7 months before it got a "limited" release in the states. You cant blame people for wanting to see it. Yes, i watched it before it was released in theaters, but i also bought the movie the day it came out on dvd so this guy can go fuck himself. Downloading movies does not hurt the movie industry, their own stupidity & greed is what hurts them. And making movies like beverly hills chihuahua.
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9:31PM on 05/18/2010
Exactly. A high-definition copy was available for months before it his US shores.

Did I download it? No. The reason is because I knew it was going to release in my area so I was happy to wait knowing I wasn't going to get fucked and not be able to see the movie for almost a year more.
Exactly. A high-definition copy was available for months before it his US shores.

Did I download it? No. The reason is because I knew it was going to release in my area so I was happy to wait knowing I wasn't going to get fucked and not be able to see the movie for almost a year more.
9:36PM on 05/18/2010
It wasn't released in my area. If i wanted to see it i would have had to drive to NYC and thats 3 hours away from me. But of course the day it came out i went to the store and purchased it. I support good movies. If a movie is worth buying i will buy it.
It wasn't released in my area. If i wanted to see it i would have had to drive to NYC and thats 3 hours away from me. But of course the day it came out i went to the store and purchased it. I support good movies. If a movie is worth buying i will buy it.
9:38PM on 05/18/2010
Producers don't decide on where or when their films are shown. Distributors do.

In the world of independent features, producers put up a bunch of cash, up front, in the hopes that they will be able to sell the finished film to a distributor so that they can shop it around and make it even more money. Many films use festivals as their initial selling place because it's a way for the people who represent the distributors to see films (that have already been filtered to a degree by festival
Producers don't decide on where or when their films are shown. Distributors do.

In the world of independent features, producers put up a bunch of cash, up front, in the hopes that they will be able to sell the finished film to a distributor so that they can shop it around and make it even more money. Many films use festivals as their initial selling place because it's a way for the people who represent the distributors to see films (that have already been filtered to a degree by festival programmers).

If some douche leaks a promotional copy of a film, or sneaks into a festival and records it, distributors have less reason to purchase and distribute said film.

It's called the film INDUSTRY for a reason.
9:55PM on 05/18/2010
Ok, i was wrong to say its his fault that the movie didnt get a proper release but its also not the downloaders fault that it didn't make money.
Ok, i was wrong to say its his fault that the movie didnt get a proper release but its also not the downloaders fault that it didn't make money.
9:19PM on 05/18/2010
Some times I wish I was in the repo business cause I sure as hell would love to be the person who repossesses everything this guy owns. Talk and actions like his are likely gonna just drown him in so much red ink that the company will never be able to climb out of debt. As it sinks I would love to be the guy that repossess his house along with his car. Then he can sit on the street and cry about how life is unfair just like the real life soldiers depicted in that movie who never received a dime
Some times I wish I was in the repo business cause I sure as hell would love to be the person who repossesses everything this guy owns. Talk and actions like his are likely gonna just drown him in so much red ink that the company will never be able to climb out of debt. As it sinks I would love to be the guy that repossess his house along with his car. Then he can sit on the street and cry about how life is unfair just like the real life soldiers depicted in that movie who never received a dime for being portrayed in that movie. Some times I just wish I was a repo man.
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9:16PM on 05/18/2010

justification is like masturbation you're only screwing yourself!

Have to say I agree with the douche. Downloading a movie is stealing. Unlike an example previously mentioned, sharing a movie online that you've paid for is NOT like lending your friends a book you bought because MILLIONS of people can access it and that's not right. I don't agree with his name calling but he has a point and I felt a little upset reading Nicholas letter before even getting to Chartier's letter. Why do people feel okay to justify illegal downloading? We all know it's wrong, the
Have to say I agree with the douche. Downloading a movie is stealing. Unlike an example previously mentioned, sharing a movie online that you've paid for is NOT like lending your friends a book you bought because MILLIONS of people can access it and that's not right. I don't agree with his name calling but he has a point and I felt a little upset reading Nicholas letter before even getting to Chartier's letter. Why do people feel okay to justify illegal downloading? We all know it's wrong, the law says it IS stealing and people still want to pretend like its no big deal? Whether it effects the films box office or not is beside the point. It's wrong and you shouldn't do it and if you do and a lawsuit comes your way well...you knew it was wrong to begin with so why did you do it? Nicholas is writing to Chartier like he's condemning innocent people!?! Ummm...hello?

The deeper issue is we are now living in a society where people just want something for nothing and feel like it's okay. If this is the way to send the message...then do it. Yeah it sucks and it's harsh but the message has to get through somehow.

To the people who feel like you're helping market the film by illegally downloading it and then telling your friends to illegally download it in the chance that one of you might go and buy it...stop kidding yourselves please.
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9:19PM on 05/18/2010
Yes!
Yes!
9:46PM on 05/18/2010
Agreed with everything, but I'm very pessimistic in regards to the effectiveness of this "message." I doubt a handful of lawsuits will stop avid downloaders (like many outraged individuals here). Shit still goes on and on. Not that it's right, it's just the way it is.

I'd like to see clarification and modification of laws -- again, I'm not up on this shit nowadays, so I may just be ignorant. I think changes in these regards would promote a less hostile, negative, and threatening-scare
Agreed with everything, but I'm very pessimistic in regards to the effectiveness of this "message." I doubt a handful of lawsuits will stop avid downloaders (like many outraged individuals here). Shit still goes on and on. Not that it's right, it's just the way it is.

I'd like to see clarification and modification of laws -- again, I'm not up on this shit nowadays, so I may just be ignorant. I think changes in these regards would promote a less hostile, negative, and threatening-scare tactics awareness and will bring about slower positive change. Comcast has obscure indie flicks for rent same day as the theatre. Shit like that, how iTunes has (sorta) eased music downloading by making stuff simple -- just an assumption, don't know specifics.

This same-day-as-theatre may kill the traditional "cinema" as we know it, but we're in changing times..
9:07PM on 05/18/2010
This argument was started over a century ago with public libraries and books. Look how that turned out.

It is ignorant and greedy for companies to sue individuals downloading "intellectual property." I could understand if individuals were charged with the price of owning a dvd, but the current fines are ridiculously out of proportion.

This argument was started over a century ago with public libraries and books. Look how that turned out.

It is ignorant and greedy for companies to sue individuals downloading "intellectual property." I could understand if individuals were charged with the price of owning a dvd, but the current fines are ridiculously out of proportion.

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9:27PM on 05/18/2010
You can borrow DVDs at a public library.
You can borrow DVDs at a public library.
8:28AM on 05/19/2010
That is true. I could continue the argument with the copying of intellectual property (VHS, cassettes, CD-Rs, DVD-Rs). Even if borrowed people can still copy the data.

I consider the internet as the virtual public library.
That is true. I could continue the argument with the copying of intellectual property (VHS, cassettes, CD-Rs, DVD-Rs). Even if borrowed people can still copy the data.

I consider the internet as the virtual public library.
8:59PM on 05/18/2010
I can't say I agree with either side, but I do see the point of contention. And the "bottom line" is not what the company should've done to make Hurt Locker more popular. It's the definition of theft.

Broadly (and still correctly), if you take another's property without permission, you're stealing. No one can disagree with that. Try. Really.

These comments like "it's not in my area, I downloaded so I can see it" are pretty weak pleas from unfortunate cinema-goers. Sorry the hot
I can't say I agree with either side, but I do see the point of contention. And the "bottom line" is not what the company should've done to make Hurt Locker more popular. It's the definition of theft.

Broadly (and still correctly), if you take another's property without permission, you're stealing. No one can disagree with that. Try. Really.

These comments like "it's not in my area, I downloaded so I can see it" are pretty weak pleas from unfortunate cinema-goers. Sorry the hot flicks aren't playing near you. I do feel for you, really, but that is no excuse for stealing. You can stop now.

However, the definition of "theft" gets really cloudy and vague due to the ease with which technology has afforded us instantaneous gratification. In the age of such mass digital reproduction, it's just too fucking convenient to stream an indie pic that's been making rounds at festivals light-years away. Sure, it's one less ticket in theory, but no one is getting "hurt" as in Chartier's ignorant and ill-suited analogies.

It's this disconnect between the eager movie buffs who claim innocence (which isn't justified in the slightest) and the cash-hungry producers that see a downloaded film as lost revenue.

I really can't foresee coming to an agreement here. We're at a time of such technological innovation that new standards and definitions need to be put in place, taking into account EVERYONE -- both lowly moviegoers and production companies alike. We're in a new time and old definitions need to be modified. Penalties should be lessened to warnings for repeat offenses, etc., and companies should not be allowed to bring down the wrath of a thousand lawyers on ordinary citizens.

I'm not too up on the Digital Copyright Laws currently, but I imagine the shit that's already out there is pretty rigid and holds fast to the "stealing is stealing." It's tough to argue that, even in taking into account the devastation that can and may ensue. Suing the pants off a hard laborer who wants to kick back to a new movie if only to prove a point MAY be immoral, but I can't say it ain't wrong. It's just a shitty situation.
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9:03PM on 05/18/2010
Nailed it.
Nailed it.
9:15PM on 05/18/2010
I agree with about 95% of what you've said.

The only thing I don't agree with is the argument that the potential lost revenue doesn't hurt anyone. The problem is that [link] see the potential lost revenue and it affects their decisions on the who, what, and how to finance a future project.

Putting money behind something like Avatar is a no brainer, but doing the same for The Hurt Locker isn't such a quick sell. And the fewer films being made (or being made with less money), the more it hurts
I agree with about 95% of what you've said.

The only thing I don't agree with is the argument that the potential lost revenue doesn't hurt anyone. The problem is that [link] see the potential lost revenue and it affects their decisions on the who, what, and how to finance a future project.

Putting money behind something like Avatar is a no brainer, but doing the same for The Hurt Locker isn't such a quick sell. And the fewer films being made (or being made with less money), the more it hurts the people who actually try to make a living by making movies.

I love movies, and I love watching movies, but there is no way I'll download a movie, because I may as well just burn one of my pay cheques.
9:23PM on 05/18/2010
Very true Outsider but you have to remember that money is the bottom line and I doubt very much that the downloading affected the movie's overall box-office take in anyway shape or form.

Cause if people couldn't download it, they just wouldn't bother seeing it at all. So in the end, who really wins?
Very true Outsider but you have to remember that money is the bottom line and I doubt very much that the downloading affected the movie's overall box-office take in anyway shape or form.

Cause if people couldn't download it, they just wouldn't bother seeing it at all. So in the end, who really wins?
9:23PM on 05/18/2010
Point taken. I'll rephrase by simply reiterating that Chartier's analogies of home invasion and free labor are painfully exaggerated and wholly uncalled for. It's extremely difficult to find a suitable comparison, which I believe is the primary disconnect.

By the way, is that The Fountain in your pic?
Point taken. I'll rephrase by simply reiterating that Chartier's analogies of home invasion and free labor are painfully exaggerated and wholly uncalled for. It's extremely difficult to find a suitable comparison, which I believe is the primary disconnect.

By the way, is that The Fountain in your pic?
9:30PM on 05/18/2010
It sure is The Fountain in my pic.

I bought that movie. Twice.
It sure is The Fountain in my pic.

I bought that movie. Twice.
9:35PM on 05/18/2010
Beautiful. Ironically, I caught a free screening with Aronofsky in attendance for questions.

Did buy the movie, though. And once I get a Blu-ray player, you bet your ass I'll buy another copy. What an enthralling film. Who knew Wolverine could bring the drama?
Beautiful. Ironically, I caught a free screening with Aronofsky in attendance for questions.

Did buy the movie, though. And once I get a Blu-ray player, you bet your ass I'll buy another copy. What an enthralling film. Who knew Wolverine could bring the drama?
10:02PM on 05/18/2010
Trying to play catch-up, so this may be a little late:

Elder, with all due respect, I don't think you've made any argument whatsoever in your reply. Whether or not the film would've made more or less is wholly hypothetical, as we can't calculate anything. But I can't see how you could've possibly come to any valid point in DOUBTING that piracy of THL affected the overall box office. You're thinking one or two little candy bars stolen, not the thousands who probably stole copies.

"If people
Trying to play catch-up, so this may be a little late:

Elder, with all due respect, I don't think you've made any argument whatsoever in your reply. Whether or not the film would've made more or less is wholly hypothetical, as we can't calculate anything. But I can't see how you could've possibly come to any valid point in DOUBTING that piracy of THL affected the overall box office. You're thinking one or two little candy bars stolen, not the thousands who probably stole copies.

"If people couldn't download it, they just wouldn't bother seeing it at all." That's such a boldfaced and empty assumption. Where the hell do you come up with that? You've thrown every downloader into one big crop, not all of whom are the innocent, moneyless peasants who can't afford to go to the theatres. A hefty number of those are probably privileged college dormers who can't have a car on campus and are too lazy to take the public transportation.

If you wanna talk big, hair-brained assumptions, I'd postulate that it'd be an equal split between those who just didn't watch it and those who actively sought it out. So yes, it would affect the film's box office takings. I've got no proof to support this, of course, but you haven't got any either.

And the location argument is empty. It's unfortunate, but empty.
10:19PM on 05/18/2010
If you don't have proof of this than Outsider, don't tell me my arguments are "empty" or "invalid".

I know I don't have a full grasp of the situation but neither do you and I'm not throwing all the downloaders into "one big pile".

And how is the location argument "empty"? You seriously think everyone who wants to see a movie so badly will just jump in their cars or perhaps a train/bus and go see a movie that's 3 hours away even if they have the means? Don't be ridiculous. You're telling me
If you don't have proof of this than Outsider, don't tell me my arguments are "empty" or "invalid".

I know I don't have a full grasp of the situation but neither do you and I'm not throwing all the downloaders into "one big pile".

And how is the location argument "empty"? You seriously think everyone who wants to see a movie so badly will just jump in their cars or perhaps a train/bus and go see a movie that's 3 hours away even if they have the means? Don't be ridiculous. You're telling me that you'd do that? Cause I don't believe it for a second. And even if you did as it's your money, that's a ludicrous amount of money to spend for an experience that you might not enjoy.
10:37PM on 05/18/2010
You're confusing proof. I don't need hypothetical details of box office records to argue the validity of your argument, Elder. While stuff like "If people couldn't download it, they just wouldn't bother seeing it at all" is certainly an expression of your thoughts, it's by no means a true statement. (It's also an instance in which you most certainly DO throw downloaders into one big pile, though perhaps not intentionally.) It's by analyzing your dialogue that I surmise the value of your
You're confusing proof. I don't need hypothetical details of box office records to argue the validity of your argument, Elder. While stuff like "If people couldn't download it, they just wouldn't bother seeing it at all" is certainly an expression of your thoughts, it's by no means a true statement. (It's also an instance in which you most certainly DO throw downloaders into one big pile, though perhaps not intentionally.) It's by analyzing your dialogue that I surmise the value of your argument. We're all dealing in hypotheticals here, so no need to get all hot and bothered.

As for the location argument is ABSOLUTELY empty in all regards, if you're referring to it as an excuse to download. It's laughable to think otherwise. It's just an unfortunate situation in the world.
10:43PM on 05/18/2010
I'm also speaking in hypothetical Outsider and common-sense plus hearing from people I know personally who download all the time tells me that if they couldn't download the movie, they'd be either too cheap, too busy or too lazy to go see it in the theatre. That's where that statement came from. It's when you call my claim "boldfaced" and "empty" that I get hot and bothered.

And I'm not saying that location is a legitimate excuse for downloading. I'm saying that a lot of people do feel this
I'm also speaking in hypothetical Outsider and common-sense plus hearing from people I know personally who download all the time tells me that if they couldn't download the movie, they'd be either too cheap, too busy or too lazy to go see it in the theatre. That's where that statement came from. It's when you call my claim "boldfaced" and "empty" that I get hot and bothered.

And I'm not saying that location is a legitimate excuse for downloading. I'm saying that a lot of people do feel this way which is unfortunate but the truth and you can't deny it.

I'm not trying to argue or fight with you Outsider as I do like you but this is an argument that has points on both sides.
1:40AM on 05/19/2010
I agree with you, mostly! Excellent and fun debate with Elder Predator and Sound Girl- smart, respectful, and fun.
I agree with you, mostly! Excellent and fun debate with Elder Predator and Sound Girl- smart, respectful, and fun.
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8:59PM on 05/18/2010
Heh, heh. Whoops.
Heh, heh. Whoops.
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8:57PM on 05/18/2010
Ehh he is kind of right though.
Ehh he is kind of right though.
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8:52PM on 05/18/2010

What a cock monger.

To compare downloading a movie to being robbed and giving away your bank account info is insane. People still get paid if a movie is torrented. He just thinks he is hot shit cause he attached his name to a movie that won some awards.

Fuck this guy and whoever says downloading movies takes away money from people. Even if it does, south park stated it best when they said someone might have to deal with a X5 Jet instead of the new X6.
To compare downloading a movie to being robbed and giving away your bank account info is insane. People still get paid if a movie is torrented. He just thinks he is hot shit cause he attached his name to a movie that won some awards.

Fuck this guy and whoever says downloading movies takes away money from people. Even if it does, south park stated it best when they said someone might have to deal with a X5 Jet instead of the new X6.
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8:49PM on 05/18/2010
It's so ridiculous to call downloading stealing. To steal in the real world you need to have the 'criminal' mentallity, downloading is 100% different psychologically and people who download illegally arent criminals and arent running around snatching purses etc. If your going to compare it to real world 'stealing' it should be compared to entrapment, like a cop placing a huge stack of cash on the hood of a car then arresting the first person who comes along and takes it..
It's so ridiculous to call downloading stealing. To steal in the real world you need to have the 'criminal' mentallity, downloading is 100% different psychologically and people who download illegally arent criminals and arent running around snatching purses etc. If your going to compare it to real world 'stealing' it should be compared to entrapment, like a cop placing a huge stack of cash on the hood of a car then arresting the first person who comes along and takes it..
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8:44PM on 05/18/2010

Here's the bottom line...

Bottom line, when you make a film readily available to see across a greater area, you will make more money.

Lets look at the best example of this which is a little film called "JUNO" which was half the cost of HURT LOCKER.

In its initial few weeks of release, the movie was making money but not much cause it was so limited. So the studio decided to TAKE A CHANCE and release it wider with each week that went by and as it grew more popular which never happened with HURT LOCKER. By the end,
Bottom line, when you make a film readily available to see across a greater area, you will make more money.

Lets look at the best example of this which is a little film called "JUNO" which was half the cost of HURT LOCKER.

In its initial few weeks of release, the movie was making money but not much cause it was so limited. So the studio decided to TAKE A CHANCE and release it wider with each week that went by and as it grew more popular which never happened with HURT LOCKER. By the end, they took a $7.5 million and grossed $230 million with it.

I'm 100% certain that if the studios had slowly started to release HURT LOCKER wider as it made more money and gained more popularity, it could have made the same amount or even more than JUNO did. Guaranteed.
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8:42PM on 05/18/2010
That Chartier guy is awesome.
And that Nicholas guy is a douche. "Wah wah wah! You're such a big meany for getting angry because I stole your hard work. I'm gonna tell on you!"

Grow up, and pay for the things you consume.

Stealing movies is no different than walking into a grocery store, taking a bite out of an apple and then saying "I'm not going to pay for this because: it's too expensive/I was just testing it to see if I would like it/it's a worthless apple that I didn't even want in
That Chartier guy is awesome.
And that Nicholas guy is a douche. "Wah wah wah! You're such a big meany for getting angry because I stole your hard work. I'm gonna tell on you!"

Grow up, and pay for the things you consume.

Stealing movies is no different than walking into a grocery store, taking a bite out of an apple and then saying "I'm not going to pay for this because: it's too expensive/I was just testing it to see if I would like it/it's a worthless apple that I didn't even want in the first place."

Oh, and the argument that The Hurt Locker wasn't easily accessible so it was begging to be downloaded is BS! You can buy it on iTunes. iTunes!
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8:48PM on 05/18/2010
You couldn't download it from iTunes here in Canada at the time. US only.
You couldn't download it from iTunes here in Canada at the time. US only.
9:02PM on 05/18/2010
And you NEEDED it a couple weeks faster so you could perfect your Oscar picks? Once again, I say "Grow up." and wait for the Canadian release (like I did).

Also, to your above comment, The Hurt Locker was given a gradual expanded release, and a second release once the Oscar buzz started to hit.
And you NEEDED it a couple weeks faster so you could perfect your Oscar picks? Once again, I say "Grow up." and wait for the Canadian release (like I did).

Also, to your above comment, The Hurt Locker was given a gradual expanded release, and a second release once the Oscar buzz started to hit.
9:28PM on 05/18/2010
It was still nothing compared to what it could have been SoundGirl. They didn't make money because they didn't strategize properly. That's it.

To blame downloading for loss of profits is insane.

Go ahead and sit on your high horse cause you "waited".

BTW, it was given an extremely limited gradual release and the second wasn't any different.
It was still nothing compared to what it could have been SoundGirl. They didn't make money because they didn't strategize properly. That's it.

To blame downloading for loss of profits is insane.

Go ahead and sit on your high horse cause you "waited".

BTW, it was given an extremely limited gradual release and the second wasn't any different.
9:29PM on 05/18/2010
And I spent my $30 for the Blu-Ray so don't tell me to "Grow Up".
And I spent my $30 for the Blu-Ray so don't tell me to "Grow Up".
9:49PM on 05/18/2010
Hurray for your for paying. You made a reasonable decision.

All I'm saying, is that if you're willing to spend 2 hours of your life watching something, then you should be willing to pay for it. And claiming that you should be allowed to download, watch, and not pay for something because of (insert reason here) is ridiculous.
Hurray for your for paying. You made a reasonable decision.

All I'm saying, is that if you're willing to spend 2 hours of your life watching something, then you should be willing to pay for it. And claiming that you should be allowed to download, watch, and not pay for something because of (insert reason here) is ridiculous.
10:01PM on 05/18/2010
And you're absolutely right on that hun, I totally agree.

But I firmly believe that downloading is not the reason the movie didn't make money. That's all I'm saying. It's deeper than that.

People who say they have the right to not pay for a movie are retarded, I agree with you on that.
And you're absolutely right on that hun, I totally agree.

But I firmly believe that downloading is not the reason the movie didn't make money. That's all I'm saying. It's deeper than that.

People who say they have the right to not pay for a movie are retarded, I agree with you on that.
1:38AM on 05/19/2010
You're partially right I think, and partially wrong. Either way, I just wanted to say thanks for debating with Outsider and Elder Predator, as those convos were excellent.
You're partially right I think, and partially wrong. Either way, I just wanted to say thanks for debating with Outsider and Elder Predator, as those convos were excellent.
8:38PM on 05/18/2010

I'm not boycotting...

And I'm not saying that studios should put up with piracy.

It's just that producers like Chartier are not looking at the situation from a distance. Someone has come to him saying he could have made millions upon millions more from the movie so he got pissed off and took action.

AVATAR had a few leaked copies out on the net within a week of its initial release and they were pretty good quality from what I heard at the time. That didn't stop the film from being #1 each week for three months
And I'm not saying that studios should put up with piracy.

It's just that producers like Chartier are not looking at the situation from a distance. Someone has come to him saying he could have made millions upon millions more from the movie so he got pissed off and took action.

AVATAR had a few leaked copies out on the net within a week of its initial release and they were pretty good quality from what I heard at the time. That didn't stop the film from being #1 each week for three months in a row as well as making $2.7 billion.

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8:25PM on 05/18/2010
I respect the studios right to crack down on piracy but the majority of people who pirate films are either people who don't care about the quality of the film they're watching or people who don't have enough money to go see it in theatres.

Nicholas is absolutely right these lawsuits will only end up affecting innocent people. You might as well start a lawsuit for every person that jaywalks.

No disrespect to the Hurt Locker because i'm sure it's a great film but the only people i ever hear
I respect the studios right to crack down on piracy but the majority of people who pirate films are either people who don't care about the quality of the film they're watching or people who don't have enough money to go see it in theatres.

Nicholas is absolutely right these lawsuits will only end up affecting innocent people. You might as well start a lawsuit for every person that jaywalks.

No disrespect to the Hurt Locker because i'm sure it's a great film but the only people i ever hear complaining about piracy are the real junk peddlers of media. The people who stand to suffer the most are big name studios who pump out the same garbage over and over again. If people like something they've downloaded they tell their friends and family and go out and watch it theatres and buy it on DVD.

Studios only focus on that one ticket they didn't sell as opposed to the 50 they made out of that one film.

Arguments about piracy aside and you can have whatever opinion you want on it but Chartier's arrogant childish behaviour both in panning Cameron's movie and responding to this persons letter is ridiculous.

In fact i would say his actions ahve probably hurt his movie more than piracy ever could have.
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8:27PM on 05/18/2010
Oh yeah, consider me boycotting.
Oh yeah, consider me boycotting.
8:14PM on 05/18/2010

Fuck this guy!

I have a BluRay collection of well over 100 films. Five times that on DVD. And half of those films that I bought & own were discovered on Bit Torrent. If it weren't for Bit Torrent, I would have never purchased those films.

I find it disgusting that people can get sued for SHARING something they bought and paid for. What's next? Am I going to get sued for lending out books & DVDs to friends? Letting my friends lend those out to other friends?
I have a BluRay collection of well over 100 films. Five times that on DVD. And half of those films that I bought & own were discovered on Bit Torrent. If it weren't for Bit Torrent, I would have never purchased those films.

I find it disgusting that people can get sued for SHARING something they bought and paid for. What's next? Am I going to get sued for lending out books & DVDs to friends? Letting my friends lend those out to other friends?
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8:10PM on 05/18/2010
Whenever this comes up, I think of the South Park episode about piracy. When you download movies, you're dooming people like this to lives of only semi-luxury!
Whenever this comes up, I think of the South Park episode about piracy. When you download movies, you're dooming people like this to lives of only semi-luxury!
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11:41PM on 05/18/2010
Spread the wealth! The reason why we can't see these movies is because we can't afford it! Why
is that bastard sitting behind a desk and collecting our tickets and he's still willing to sue us? I agree with you. We need communism in Hollywood!
Spread the wealth! The reason why we can't see these movies is because we can't afford it! Why
is that bastard sitting behind a desk and collecting our tickets and he's still willing to sue us? I agree with you. We need communism in Hollywood!
8:07PM on 05/18/2010

To drewmanning...

Exactly brother. I had to download it to see it before the Oscars which I regret as I would have rather seen it at the theatre with a crowd. And now, I have a nice Blu-Ray copy on my shelf so he still got $30 from me.
Exactly brother. I had to download it to see it before the Oscars which I regret as I would have rather seen it at the theatre with a crowd. And now, I have a nice Blu-Ray copy on my shelf so he still got $30 from me.
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8:14PM on 05/18/2010
Thanks man, I appreciate it. That movie was non-existent in my area too.
Thanks man, I appreciate it. That movie was non-existent in my area too.
8:06PM on 05/18/2010

The World Needs a Douchebag like Chartier Now

It is stealing, it's just that it's so incredible to take all these awesome things so fast. As services like Hulu and Netflex get better and better, it will start to register to more people that it is stealing, because there will finally be a right way to use this amazing technology. I'm a criminal scumbag like most of you that longs for a day when I won't be tempted to crawl in the gutter. I hope he wins the all the lawsuits, he deserves it like his Oscar.
It is stealing, it's just that it's so incredible to take all these awesome things so fast. As services like Hulu and Netflex get better and better, it will start to register to more people that it is stealing, because there will finally be a right way to use this amazing technology. I'm a criminal scumbag like most of you that longs for a day when I won't be tempted to crawl in the gutter. I hope he wins the all the lawsuits, he deserves it like his Oscar.
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8:11PM on 05/18/2010
And since it was so limited, the studio should have provided the film to a legitimate online distributor and this problem would never have happened.
And since it was so limited, the studio should have provided the film to a legitimate online distributor and this problem would never have happened.
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8:06PM on 05/18/2010

way to go

I agree with him...he probably didn't have to resort to the name calling, but he has a valid point. Hell with the pirates...they want to cry about being sued and they would endure a financial hardship...well, maybe they should think about that before stealing someone else's work. No one is OWED the right to see anything they want. If I create a work, shouldn't I have some say so in who sees it and if they should be allowed to do so for free or have to pay to see it?
I agree with him...he probably didn't have to resort to the name calling, but he has a valid point. Hell with the pirates...they want to cry about being sued and they would endure a financial hardship...well, maybe they should think about that before stealing someone else's work. No one is OWED the right to see anything they want. If I create a work, shouldn't I have some say so in who sees it and if they should be allowed to do so for free or have to pay to see it?
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8:09PM on 05/18/2010
So when they release it in maybe 30 major cities around North America which was the case, how is it fair to those who can't see it and half to wait till months after the award ceremonies?
So when they release it in maybe 30 major cities around North America which was the case, how is it fair to those who can't see it and half to wait till months after the award ceremonies?
8:05PM on 05/18/2010
This guy is a douche, I was one of the people who downloaded the Hurt Locker, liked it and recommended it to other thus SPREADING BY WORD OF MOUTH. That's the whole point of downloading in the first place, if the material is good enough it gets bought, if it's trash it's easily forgotten. We're living in the 21st century this is how shit is done. Nicolas Chartier can go fuck himself, I refuse to watch anything with his name attached on principal alone. P.S. Avatar is now a thousand times more
This guy is a douche, I was one of the people who downloaded the Hurt Locker, liked it and recommended it to other thus SPREADING BY WORD OF MOUTH. That's the whole point of downloading in the first place, if the material is good enough it gets bought, if it's trash it's easily forgotten. We're living in the 21st century this is how shit is done. Nicolas Chartier can go fuck himself, I refuse to watch anything with his name attached on principal alone. P.S. Avatar is now a thousand times more deserving of that Oscar than Hurt Locker for the mere fact that none of the producers have threatened to sue anyone (yet).
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8:01PM on 05/18/2010
I'll join in the boycott. This guy is a douche.

First of all, the movie didn't make money because almost NO ONE knew about it until the Oscars.

Secondly, most soldiers have already been bashing the hell out of this movie for being insultingly inaccurate.

I didn't watch the movie for a long time because my friend, who served in Iraq, had nothing but bad things to say about it. (Oddly enough he watched it through bit torrent, which is the only way most soldiers can watch movies).
I'll join in the boycott. This guy is a douche.

First of all, the movie didn't make money because almost NO ONE knew about it until the Oscars.

Secondly, most soldiers have already been bashing the hell out of this movie for being insultingly inaccurate.

I didn't watch the movie for a long time because my friend, who served in Iraq, had nothing but bad things to say about it. (Oddly enough he watched it through bit torrent, which is the only way most soldiers can watch movies).
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8:03PM on 05/18/2010
That's exactly my point as well bud, thanks for giving it some strength.
That's exactly my point as well bud, thanks for giving it some strength.