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12.23.2013

THE WOLF OF WALL STREET is open to great reviews and is being called one of director Martin Scorsese's best films, but it is still failing to find traction with those who nominate and award the best films of the year. While we, the fans, may love getting a three hour Scorsese movie full of sex, drugs, and violence, but it seems some are not so keen on those characteristics.

There has been news surrounding a voting member of the Academy, a 75-year-old actress named Hope Holiday, who posted on her Facebook page regarding a confrontation with Scorsese, Leonardo DiCaprio, Jonah Hill and screenwriter Terence Winter that ended with an anonymous person saying "shame on you" to the group. Holiday herself described the film as "three hours of torture -- same disgusting [junk] over and over again". So, who is to be believed?

Anonymous members of the Academy who attended the screening seemed to have a much more positive take on the film with many standing and applauding at the end of the movie.

"The craft of the movie is remarkable," says another academy member in attendance. "People see that three-hour running time and groan, but it doesn't feel like three hours when you're watching it. And that's a tribute to Scorsese and DiCaprio."

While great movies will stand the test of time, regardless of trophies, it does show that this is yet another piece of proof that the Academy voters are older and may not be as willing to enjoy the modern sensibilities of current cinema including those of R-rated films. THE WOLF OF WALL STREET is certainly pushing the envelope of what a movie can show before getting an NC-17 rating, but does that make it any less worthy of winning any awards?

THE WOLF OF WALL STREET opens wide on Christmas Day amongst a crowd of other films. Scorsese's movie has yet to receive the same kind of awards considerations as other films have and that may hurt it come Oscar time. But, seeing as how few Martin Scorsese movies have actually won Best Picture, I don't think the man or his fans are at risk of missing anything.

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Extra Tidbit: Scorsese's editor Thelma Schoonmaker says they considered releasing THE WOLF OF WALL STREET in two 2-hour volumes, but the story couldn't be split anywhere naturally.
Source: The LA Times

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12:45PM on 12/24/2013

There is no depth to this film

It's all surface. Pure surface.

It's yet another tiresome anti-capitalist screed written, produced, and marketed by Hollywood capitalists.

Leonardo DiCaprio? Worth 200 Million. [link]

Martin Scorsese? Worth 70 Million. [link]

These people are preaching about greed? Maybe when they start spreading their own wealth around I'll start giving their idiotic pontifications some respect.

I mean really, the same deeply moronic message about greed and excess could have been made with ">
It's all surface. Pure surface.

It's yet another tiresome anti-capitalist screed written, produced, and marketed by Hollywood capitalists.

Leonardo DiCaprio? Worth 200 Million. [link]

Martin Scorsese? Worth 70 Million. [link]

These people are preaching about greed? Maybe when they start spreading their own wealth around I'll start giving their idiotic pontifications some respect.

I mean really, the same deeply moronic message about greed and excess could have been made with a movie about Charlie Sheen; the Wolf of Hollywood.

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1:11AM on 12/26/2013
Here's the point.
Here's the point.
1:12AM on 12/26/2013
Here's you.
Here's you.
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11:21AM on 12/24/2013
There's a bad link leading here from the Ronin review pic on the front page.
There's a bad link leading here from the Ronin review pic on the front page.
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3:17AM on 12/24/2013

Go to hell you old bastard

This movie is fucking great!!! I can guarantee you that. I'm sure most of the people on this site will love it. Fuck what this bitch thinks, and fuck the academy too.
This movie is fucking great!!! I can guarantee you that. I'm sure most of the people on this site will love it. Fuck what this bitch thinks, and fuck the academy too.
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2:04AM on 12/24/2013
Sorry for double post on mobile traveling
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2:04AM on 12/24/2013

Scorsese is this woman's age

The tale of heady excess is not without its morality or humanity, but just as some people take the two-thousand year old words of the Judeo-Christian bible as absolute truth, some people take the morality of a completely different society and choose to apply it to the modern era (even if Belfort’s story is itself twenty-plus years old and counting). Well, a 75 year old Academy member Hope Holiday (she was a bit player in ‘The Apartment’ and a prostitute named Lolita in ‘Irma La Douce’…ahem)
The tale of heady excess is not without its morality or humanity, but just as some people take the two-thousand year old words of the Judeo-Christian bible as absolute truth, some people take the morality of a completely different society and choose to apply it to the modern era (even if Belfort’s story is itself twenty-plus years old and counting). Well, a 75 year old Academy member Hope Holiday (she was a bit player in ‘The Apartment’ and a prostitute named Lolita in ‘Irma La Douce’…ahem) along with some similarly aged cohorts verbally attacked Mister Scorsese and Mister DiCaprio for their sometimes jovial but ultimately morally sound and very accurate depiction of Belfort’s rise and fall. They felt the immortality on screen translated to irresponsibility and immortality on the part of the film’s makers, summed up in the quote “three hours of torture – same disgusting crap over and over again.” followed up by someone in her party reportedly yelling “Shame on you!” to the entire production. Hope Holiday also reportedly described ‘American Hustle’ as “confusing” in another Facebook post.

I’m not generalizing about age groups, as that would be agist and obviously there are plenty of septuagenarians who are still very much with the current times. However, it calls into question the validity of lifetime Academy membership when the largest age group in the world are the baby boomers, who are now pretty much all eligible for their AARP membership and have been for a few years now. When the majority of the folks determining the best films of the year, mostly made by young and innovative film makers, are judging the quality of our current entertainment by wholly anachronistic standards, wouldn’t the obvious conclusion be that the storied institutes like AMPAS are out of tune? Meanwhile, wouldn’t this also mean that less prestigious or established venues, such as internet-based and crowd sourced awards, might be a more accurate and thus a more respectable reflection of film industry professionals’ and scholars opinions of film?

I am not saying my opinion as a twenty-six year old is more valid than Hope Holliday’s as a seventy-five year old; nor am I guaranteeing I won’t also exhibit some kind of artistic or moral outrage at current trends due to being out of touch with modern culture if and when I get to three-quarters of a century long in the tooth, but I hope that at that age, myself and my contemporaries will respect the popular culture of that day as no less valid than what we heralded in our salad years.
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2:04AM on 12/24/2013
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9:06PM on 12/23/2013
Eh, she's just an old craw, who gets pissed off at everything that young people enjoy.
Eh, she's just an old craw, who gets pissed off at everything that young people enjoy.
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3:14AM on 12/24/2013
Maybe she got mad at Leo blowing coke into a hooker's asshole within the first minute of the movie? Or when him and Hill are smoking crack? Or when he beats his wife? I loved all those momenys personally!
Maybe she got mad at Leo blowing coke into a hooker's asshole within the first minute of the movie? Or when him and Hill are smoking crack? Or when he beats his wife? I loved all those momenys personally!
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6:53PM on 12/23/2013

Two observations

One - it's an 75 year old lady. I remember when Grandma was 75, and she would have hated Goodfellas, Wall Street, and anything else she couldn't relate to. Are we really hating on some blue-haired bitty, because she didn't like it?
Two - when are you guys going to get over academy awards. Yes, they bring recognition to some deserving artists, but they often reflect the opinions of people we don't agree with. People *say* they don't care about them, but then go off at every opportunity. Box
One - it's an 75 year old lady. I remember when Grandma was 75, and she would have hated Goodfellas, Wall Street, and anything else she couldn't relate to. Are we really hating on some blue-haired bitty, because she didn't like it?
Two - when are you guys going to get over academy awards. Yes, they bring recognition to some deserving artists, but they often reflect the opinions of people we don't agree with. People *say* they don't care about them, but then go off at every opportunity. Box office is the bottom-line for how studios reward successful projects - so vote with your wallets to help the projects you love. You don't need an awards ceremony to validate your opinion, or send you in a tail-spin.
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6:59PM on 12/23/2013
Old age is an excuse for ignorance and completely missing the point?
Old age is an excuse for ignorance and completely missing the point?
7:29AM on 12/24/2013
Is youth an excuse for being equally intolerant and ignorant of the hypocritical argument you've built around yourself?
Is youth an excuse for being equally intolerant and ignorant of the hypocritical argument you've built around yourself?
10:54AM on 12/26/2013
What does that have to do with what I said? Someone in the twilight of their life should be experienced enough to understand that things are rarely to be taken at face value.
What does that have to do with what I said? Someone in the twilight of their life should be experienced enough to understand that things are rarely to be taken at face value.
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6:07PM on 12/23/2013

ummm

as a person who works in the industry, but reads joblo as my second form of media news (behind deadline), i'm a little disturbed by the "jump all over the academy" talk going on in the comments about this movie. i NEVER agree with the academy (film or tv (which i am a member)) and i agree that most times they are unwilling to accept risque movies, but this is scorcese. if anyone is going to jump on a scorcese bandwagon its the 75 year olds. i'm one of the few people left among my colleagues who
as a person who works in the industry, but reads joblo as my second form of media news (behind deadline), i'm a little disturbed by the "jump all over the academy" talk going on in the comments about this movie. i NEVER agree with the academy (film or tv (which i am a member)) and i agree that most times they are unwilling to accept risque movies, but this is scorcese. if anyone is going to jump on a scorcese bandwagon its the 75 year olds. i'm one of the few people left among my colleagues who hasn't seen the movie (cough cough wheres my screener, academy?!?! cough) but almost all of them agree with this woman. this is ranging from 26 year old dudes to 45 year of parents to 60 year old industry vets. i havent met a single person who has seen the movie AND still champions for it. and im surrounded by the liberal, media making culture that should eat this up. i'm still going to see it on xmas day. im hoping to like it. but it just cracks me up how all these commenters who haven't seen the movie are claiming that people who HAVE seen the movie are wrong. but, i guess your response could be "welcome to the internet". alright, i'm going to go back to making network television now. peace.
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6:13PM on 12/23/2013
Just for the record, I was merely expressing sentiments in regards to knee-jerk reactions given to films and the criticisms which seem to be superficial hang ups. Without having seen it yet I do know there is a point being made and it isn't just being gratuitous for no reason. But who knows...I guess we will all find out in a few days.
Just for the record, I was merely expressing sentiments in regards to knee-jerk reactions given to films and the criticisms which seem to be superficial hang ups. Without having seen it yet I do know there is a point being made and it isn't just being gratuitous for no reason. But who knows...I guess we will all find out in a few days.
1:12AM on 12/24/2013
Wow you are full of shit. If you really work in the industry you wouldn't have wasted your precious richer than thou time to post here. The fact that you end your rant with a smug "F you" comment like "I'm going to go back to making network television now" tells me you're either a bottom feeder who knows no one and wants attention, or you're just no one.

Not to mention the fact that there was a standing ovation at a SAG screening for the film, so unless those in the Academy are a far cry
Wow you are full of shit. If you really work in the industry you wouldn't have wasted your precious richer than thou time to post here. The fact that you end your rant with a smug "F you" comment like "I'm going to go back to making network television now" tells me you're either a bottom feeder who knows no one and wants attention, or you're just no one.

Not to mention the fact that there was a standing ovation at a SAG screening for the film, so unless those in the Academy are a far cry from SAG voters (they're not), your claptrap about your "colleagues" hating the film just doesn't ring true.
3:11AM on 12/24/2013
You're in the industry? Don't make me laugh. And you're telling me I got to see it before someone in the industry? Cool.
You're in the industry? Don't make me laugh. And you're telling me I got to see it before someone in the industry? Cool.
4:18PM on 12/23/2013
It infuriates me when people can't see past the surface of something. It probably never even occurred to her to think about the point of the film. Scorsese and Dicaprio aren't glorifying anything, they're making a very valid and legitimate point. They're showing the internal decay of unscrupulous characters as a result of excess, greed and too much self indulgence among other things. I mean as far as the severity of what's shown. It's like when people (usually the same) bitch about a movie
It infuriates me when people can't see past the surface of something. It probably never even occurred to her to think about the point of the film. Scorsese and Dicaprio aren't glorifying anything, they're making a very valid and legitimate point. They're showing the internal decay of unscrupulous characters as a result of excess, greed and too much self indulgence among other things. I mean as far as the severity of what's shown. It's like when people (usually the same) bitch about a movie being too violent...it isn't that simple. WHY is it violent? Sure there is such a thing as gratuitous violence, but more often than not it's to show the horror and ugliness behind what's happening. These people drive me nuts with their nearsighted, narrow minded, self righteous bullshit.
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3:42PM on 12/23/2013

What?!

This coming from Hope Holiday? You mean the star of such classics like "Low Blow" and "Kung Fu Cannibals".
This coming from Hope Holiday? You mean the star of such classics like "Low Blow" and "Kung Fu Cannibals".
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3:25PM on 12/23/2013
Only makes me want to see the film even more now (if that was even possible).
Only makes me want to see the film even more now (if that was even possible).
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3:19PM on 12/23/2013
Your tears are delicious, old lady!
Your tears are delicious, old lady!
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3:18PM on 12/23/2013
It is nice to see not everyone bows down and worships everything Scorsese does just because he is Martin Scorsese.
It is nice to see not everyone bows down and worships everything Scorsese does just because he is Martin Scorsese.
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3:10PM on 12/23/2013

FUCK THE Academy

Simple as that. I always knew they were old goons. Thus is why they nominate such garbage films, every year they throw in some crappy kids movies, some terrible musical, some stupid movie nobody in their right minds heard of. And foreign films that are quite possibly the most boring things on earth. Oh we can't forget about pretentious crap films too, and docu as well. I wish they would try and reboot the Academy add like horror, cool stuff, and make it interesing. I dont' even remember the
Simple as that. I always knew they were old goons. Thus is why they nominate such garbage films, every year they throw in some crappy kids movies, some terrible musical, some stupid movie nobody in their right minds heard of. And foreign films that are quite possibly the most boring things on earth. Oh we can't forget about pretentious crap films too, and docu as well. I wish they would try and reboot the Academy add like horror, cool stuff, and make it interesing. I dont' even remember the last time I tune in. Maybe during the time of avatar or maybe after ? I'm not sure. Anybody else agree with me ? Or am I crazy. Like don't get me wrong here folks, I love boring films docu but everything they throw in for oscar time is straight up garbage.
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9:10PM on 12/23/2013
Haha, the Academy is like the US Senate. Hell, I bet they all hang out together.
Haha, the Academy is like the US Senate. Hell, I bet they all hang out together.
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