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Penn talks Avengers

06.24.2009

Avengers Writer/director Zak Penn has been given the mighty task of writing the upcoming AVENGERS feature that'll see all of Marvel's major superheroes that they have or hope to adapt into successful film franchises - Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, Captain America, Ant-Man - unite for one epic adventure. He hasn't said much about the film because, well, there's not much to say seeing as how it's just about three years away. Sci Fi Wire recently cornered him, however, and he gave a little bit of just how they plan on bringing everyone together. He says: "They're doing Captain American and Thor first, and then Avengers is coming out. They want to see that they're all connected, not like the Fantastic Four can't come into the X-Men world, like I was told. I'm taking a meeting next week with the Thor and Captain America people, and we are all going to get together, and I will see what is going to happen. I'll see where they are leaving the characters; it's pretty complicated&hellipl;There's a board that is tracking what is happening. [We'll see] how this movie overlaps in that movie…Marvel is autonomous now. It is night and day: Everyone has read every comic. They know how to make a cool movie." They certainly do but can they bring all these cool movies together to make one incredibly cool movie? We'll find out in a few years. Read more about what he had to say over HERE.

Extra Tidbit: Captain America didn't join The Avengers until issue #4 of the original comic.
Source: Sci Fi Wire

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3:56PM on 06/25/2009

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I just hope they really bring the action and the fighting, oh and please make the Hulk the main villan in the film.
I just hope they really bring the action and the fighting, oh and please make the Hulk the main villan in the film.
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11:23AM on 06/25/2009
It amazes me that people still place the blame on individuals for a movie's final product. It's IMPOSSIBLE for one person to fuck up a movie on their own. You need to understand the process of how big budget action/superhero movies get made. Let's stick with superhero movies for the sake of argument, since that's what this article is about.

These days, studios will buy the rights to a comic book franchise as soon as possible, because they make money right now, and that's all that studios
It amazes me that people still place the blame on individuals for a movie's final product. It's IMPOSSIBLE for one person to fuck up a movie on their own. You need to understand the process of how big budget action/superhero movies get made. Let's stick with superhero movies for the sake of argument, since that's what this article is about.

These days, studios will buy the rights to a comic book franchise as soon as possible, because they make money right now, and that's all that studios care about. Sure they want to make good movies, but it's 90% about the money. So a studio will buy the rights and then bring on a writer to pen a screenplay. And whether the studio admits it or not, they know exactly what they want out of the movie, they know who they want it to sell to, and they know how they want it to look. And the writer MUST cater to that or their version of the movie won't get made. So the writer will do a draft or two, get countless notes from the studio, and they will eventually write a script that the studio approves or they'll drop out of the product completely. Once the studio has a script, they bring on the director. And the director has far less creative control over these types of movies than they would with a simple comedy or drama. The director has to cater to the studios, because there's millions of dollars at stake (millions more than the aforementioned genres). And then the actors come in and do what they can to interpret the words on the page (which have been revised dozens of times by a team of writers in some capacity). And then you have the editing, the score, the visual/special effects, etc. ANY OF THOSE FACTORS CAN FUCK UP A MOVIE!!!

We don't mind giving credit to all of the people who made a movie great. (Christopher Nolan, Heath Ledger, Jonathon Nolan, Jon Favreau, Robert Downey Jr., etc.) But we're so quick to blame one person when a movie is bad. Look at Batman & Robin. How many times have you heard someone bitch about Joel Schumacher ruining the Batman franchise? Do you think Joel Schumacher actually sat down at a computer and wrote lines like "What killed the dinosaurs? The Ice Age!" Nobody blames George Clooney's boring performance as Batman. Nobody blames Akiva Goldsman for a shitty script. Nobody blames the studios for forcing a more family-friendly Batman after Tim Burton's versions. It's always Joel Schumacher. The same applies to Zak Penn, Brett Ratner, McG, Michael Bay, etc. None of those people can be blamed solely for a bad movie. WAAAAAY too many people get involved in movies of this size.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but if you're going to share that opinion, at least look at both sides of the coin. It's unfair to say that Zak Penn doesn't deserve a job. If you think you can write a better script, then fucking do it, because I guarantee that the final product will look nothing like the movie you had in your head when you wrote it. And that's if you're even lucky enough to have someone read your script instead of using it to wipe their asses.

And if nothing else, think about the superhero genre 10 years ago. There wasn't nearly as many superhero movies. What did we get that people can remember? A few Batmans? A dead Superman series? Blade? Spawn?! A handful of other forgettable comic book movies? You should be lucky that you even get to see these characters come to life, let ALONE together in one giant movie like The Avengers.
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9:44AM on 06/25/2009

I agree about Penn

This guy shouldn't have a job. Why Marvel keeps hiring him I have no idea!
This guy shouldn't have a job. Why Marvel keeps hiring him I have no idea!
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9:29AM on 06/25/2009

seriously though

the Peter Parker/Tony Stark dynamic is AWESOME in the comics. they're hilarious together.
the Peter Parker/Tony Stark dynamic is AWESOME in the comics. they're hilarious together.
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9:28AM on 06/25/2009

THROW SPIDER-MAN IN THERE!

i dont get why they don't include Spider-Man in the Avengers movie. They're working on a Spidey 4 as well that they could use to set up his involvement.
i dont get why they don't include Spider-Man in the Avengers movie. They're working on a Spidey 4 as well that they could use to set up his involvement.
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11:18PM on 06/24/2009
Zak Penn will write the first draft, but the film being a couple of years away, we can all expect re-writes, most likely from guys who worked on previous Marvel projects like Iron Man, Thor, etc ... So Im not too worried about Penn being involved, he is just being used as a tool since he knows the Comics, better writers'll make everything worthy later.
Zak Penn will write the first draft, but the film being a couple of years away, we can all expect re-writes, most likely from guys who worked on previous Marvel projects like Iron Man, Thor, etc ... So Im not too worried about Penn being involved, he is just being used as a tool since he knows the Comics, better writers'll make everything worthy later.
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11:17PM on 06/24/2009
How bout Damon for Cap?
How bout Damon for Cap?
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11:10PM on 06/24/2009

Hmmmmm.

I don't know. I have a BAD feeling about Penn doing this.
I don't know. I have a BAD feeling about Penn doing this.
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10:49PM on 06/24/2009

Zack Penn sucks...

You can definitely tell Norton's additions to that film saved that film. This should have nothing to do with the Avengers film.
You can definitely tell Norton's additions to that film saved that film. This should have nothing to do with the Avengers film.
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10:04PM on 06/24/2009
i agree. doing the ultimates story line would be an excellent route to go
i agree. doing the ultimates story line would be an excellent route to go
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9:21PM on 06/24/2009

Why?

Why is it that Zak Penn is repeatedly chosen to write for Marvel properties? He has yet to write a good comic book movie! Look at his filmography: Fantastic Four, Elektra, X-Men: The Last Stand, The Incredible Hulk. The first two were awful, the third okay, and the fourth was actually revised by Edward Norton, so we don't know what he contributed. He is only credited for the story of X2--supposedly his big success--with different writers actually producing the script. If Marvel wants a
Why is it that Zak Penn is repeatedly chosen to write for Marvel properties? He has yet to write a good comic book movie! Look at his filmography: Fantastic Four, Elektra, X-Men: The Last Stand, The Incredible Hulk. The first two were awful, the third okay, and the fourth was actually revised by Edward Norton, so we don't know what he contributed. He is only credited for the story of X2--supposedly his big success--with different writers actually producing the script. If Marvel wants a quality Avengers movie, they need to hire a more proven writer, not a hack who is responsible for some of the worse Marvel films (yes, Fantastic Four and especially Elektra are really that bad!)
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9:20PM on 06/24/2009

Just follow the Ultimates story

The first Ultimates story would make for a perfect movie. The Hulk as the first villain, the inner group turmoils, Cap trying to get used to living in the present. There has already been little pops here and there from that series in the latest Hulk (Banner outta the airplane) as well as Iron Man. Don't sway too far from the source material, the Hulk would make an excellent villain. It's obvious these comics have been used as a basis for the current films, just roll with it. Don't do what Fox
The first Ultimates story would make for a perfect movie. The Hulk as the first villain, the inner group turmoils, Cap trying to get used to living in the present. There has already been little pops here and there from that series in the latest Hulk (Banner outta the airplane) as well as Iron Man. Don't sway too far from the source material, the Hulk would make an excellent villain. It's obvious these comics have been used as a basis for the current films, just roll with it. Don't do what Fox did with Wolverine. Continue respecting the source and the films won't falter.
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9:20PM on 06/24/2009
This could be really cool..or a huge clusterfuck.

Would Love to see them battle the Hulk either way.
This could be really cool..or a huge clusterfuck.

Would Love to see them battle the Hulk either way.
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