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Peter Jackson asks fans to judge The Hobbit for themselves

04.30.2012

You would think the film world would trust the vision of certain directors based on their prior output. Many didn't trust James Cameron leading up to the release of TITANIC or AVATAR and both films changed movies in dramatic ways. Now, Peter Jackson did usher in the modern fantasy epic with THE LORD OF THE RINGS, but he may have burnt many bridges after both KING KONG and THE LOVELY BONES did not meet the majority of expectations. Add his involvement with THE ADVENTURES OF TINTIN and you find a director who unnecessarily needs to prove himself once again.

With the recent onslaught of negativity regarding his new 48fps filming on THE HOBBIT, Peter Jackson has actually made a statement to defend his film and vision of the future of movies.

“At first it’s unusual because you’ve never seen a movie like this before. It’s literally a new experience, but you know, that doesn’t last the entire experience of the film–not by any stretch, [just] 10 minutes or so,” Jackson tells Entertainment Weekly. “That’s a different experience than if you see a fast-cutting montage at a technical presentation.”

So what does he say to people who just decide they don’t like the glossy new look of the format he’s using?

“I can’t say anything,” Jackson acknowledges. “Just like I can’t say anything to someone who doesn’t like fish. You can’t explain why fish tastes great and why they should enjoy it.”

It does need to be said that the film will also be shown in theaters in the standard format which will remove the "live TV" feel that those at CinemaCon experienced. Much like when AVATAR was released, many theaters may not be equipped to show the film in the 48fps. But, look at how fast 3D sprang up everywhere after that film was released. Many are still decrying the release of 3D films, but they keep getting released and people continue to buy tickets. Who knows what will happen with this higher frame rate. Does it mean filmmakers are going to switch to all digital? Probably not. Many, like Christopher Nolan, are experimenting with other formats like IMAX, which has been around forever and has never been utilized in quite the same way as Nolan is now.

The times, they are a-changin'. It is time to buck up or shut up. Insert cliche here.

Extra Tidbit: MEET THE FEEBLES, HEAVENLY CREATURES, and DEAD-ALIVE. There are three reasons why I will trust Peter Jackson no matter what he decides to do.

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1:21PM on 04/30/2012

Just need to clear one thing...

KING KONG & ADVENTURES OF TINTIN met my expectations and then some (I mean a frekking L-O-T).

As for tidbit, aside for LOTR, there's only one other reason for me: THE FRIGHTENERS. Boom! I for one am going to put the blindfold of trust on me now and will only remove it before actually watching the damn movie.
KING KONG & ADVENTURES OF TINTIN met my expectations and then some (I mean a frekking L-O-T).

As for tidbit, aside for LOTR, there's only one other reason for me: THE FRIGHTENERS. Boom! I for one am going to put the blindfold of trust on me now and will only remove it before actually watching the damn movie.
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11:33AM on 04/30/2012
Can't wait for the Hobbit, but I'm seing it in good ol' fashioned 2d -24fps! Thank you sir!
Can't wait for the Hobbit, but I'm seing it in good ol' fashioned 2d -24fps! Thank you sir!
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11:25AM on 04/30/2012
let me start off by saying that i enjoyed king kong and tin tin. i never finished lovely bones 'cos the DVD i got from netflix was messed up and i just never got another one.

i remember hearing the same stuff when some screens switched to digital. it'll pass. jackson is a great filmmaker and i will judge the film based on that.
let me start off by saying that i enjoyed king kong and tin tin. i never finished lovely bones 'cos the DVD i got from netflix was messed up and i just never got another one.

i remember hearing the same stuff when some screens switched to digital. it'll pass. jackson is a great filmmaker and i will judge the film based on that.
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11:02AM on 04/30/2012
My feelings towards 'The Hobbit' are mixed. But as far as the 48fps technology goes, I think Jackson may be right. Remember all the early mo-cap woes? Those were horrible-looking films, but fortunately they kept making them and now we have stuff like 'Tintin.' That's just one comparison, and it's equally possible that 48fps is going to be the next smell-o-vision, but let's let it play out and see. I'd like this technology to be around for four or five years, and to see at least one or two films
My feelings towards 'The Hobbit' are mixed. But as far as the 48fps technology goes, I think Jackson may be right. Remember all the early mo-cap woes? Those were horrible-looking films, but fortunately they kept making them and now we have stuff like 'Tintin.' That's just one comparison, and it's equally possible that 48fps is going to be the next smell-o-vision, but let's let it play out and see. I'd like this technology to be around for four or five years, and to see at least one or two films per year use it, before I write it off.
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5:54PM on 04/30/2012
In my mind Peter Jackson hasn't done much of anything wrong as far as movies are concerned. I haven't seen King Kong since the theater but I remember enjoying it quite a bit (despite it being severely bloated and a bit cheesy), I enjoyed The Lovely Bones and I adored The Adventures of Tintin (no, seriously: what's wrong with Tintin?) although that last one shouldn't count since he merely produced it.

On the subject of the way he's filmed "The Hobbit" I'm gonna have to land on the side of
In my mind Peter Jackson hasn't done much of anything wrong as far as movies are concerned. I haven't seen King Kong since the theater but I remember enjoying it quite a bit (despite it being severely bloated and a bit cheesy), I enjoyed The Lovely Bones and I adored The Adventures of Tintin (no, seriously: what's wrong with Tintin?) although that last one shouldn't count since he merely produced it.

On the subject of the way he's filmed "The Hobbit" I'm gonna have to land on the side of giving him the benefit of the doubt. He's a crazy talented filmmaker and I'm sure that he knows what he's doing. That's it. Mini rant over.
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2:49AM on 05/01/2012
I agree with you 100%, and I really enjoyed King Kong, The Lovely Bones, and Tin Tin too.
I agree with you 100%, and I really enjoyed King Kong, The Lovely Bones, and Tin Tin too.
10:14AM on 05/01/2012
With all due respect screw the majority expectations...I found the Lovely Bones and King Kong interesting and entertaining.
With all due respect screw the majority expectations...I found the Lovely Bones and King Kong interesting and entertaining.
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9:21PM on 04/30/2012
Thts funny because i judge any movie I watch on my own know matter what critics or fanboys say.
Thts funny because i judge any movie I watch on my own know matter what critics or fanboys say.
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2:39PM on 04/30/2012

saw it at ComicCon

The montage of footage was very off for me, but they showed an extended clip with Bilbo in golloms cave and it was beginning to feel more natural. The effects looked great and clear and all the detail on the costumes, but then they showed the sweeping landscapes and it felt like a documentary. Once again we only got ten minutes of scenes and not all of them stayed with the scene so they cut around alot. The movie itself looks incredible, but the 48fps is going to get used to. I'm a huge Peter
The montage of footage was very off for me, but they showed an extended clip with Bilbo in golloms cave and it was beginning to feel more natural. The effects looked great and clear and all the detail on the costumes, but then they showed the sweeping landscapes and it felt like a documentary. Once again we only got ten minutes of scenes and not all of them stayed with the scene so they cut around alot. The movie itself looks incredible, but the 48fps is going to get used to. I'm a huge Peter Jackson fan so I'll give him a shot watching this in 48fps, but ill probably watch in 24fps too.
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2:28PM on 04/30/2012

What does Tintin have to do with this?

"The Adventures Of Tintin" did well critically and was a huge success commercially with a worldwide gross of $373,993,951. So, what does Tintin have to do with this?

More on topic, I'll wait to see it in motion, and decide how it looks then.
"The Adventures Of Tintin" did well critically and was a huge success commercially with a worldwide gross of $373,993,951. So, what does Tintin have to do with this?

More on topic, I'll wait to see it in motion, and decide how it looks then.
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2:23PM on 04/30/2012
Could it be that 48fps and 3d is a match made in heaven ?
Could it be that 48fps and 3d is a match made in heaven ?
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2:18PM on 04/30/2012
Loved King Kong. You have to assume The Hobbit has the potential to raise the cinematic bar - I wouldn't bet against Jackson being the guy to do it.
Loved King Kong. You have to assume The Hobbit has the potential to raise the cinematic bar - I wouldn't bet against Jackson being the guy to do it.
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12:21PM on 04/30/2012
I'll reserve judgement but I firmly believe this is a look that I will never embrace. 30 FPS looks bad enough.

I don't want the film to be "incredibly clear", I want it to look like another realm of reality or fantasy. A window into a different world. The higher frame-rate is pretty much killing that.
I'll reserve judgement but I firmly believe this is a look that I will never embrace. 30 FPS looks bad enough.

I don't want the film to be "incredibly clear", I want it to look like another realm of reality or fantasy. A window into a different world. The higher frame-rate is pretty much killing that.
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4:16PM on 04/30/2012
Does this mean the movie is going to be like watching those 120 HZ TV's? Beacuse if it is, I will not be able to watch this movie. I can not stand 120HZ TV's,, because it takes the FILM look out of FILM, and I could not stand that. I dont wanna watch a 200 million dollar movie that looks like a home video.
Does this mean the movie is going to be like watching those 120 HZ TV's? Beacuse if it is, I will not be able to watch this movie. I can not stand 120HZ TV's,, because it takes the FILM look out of FILM, and I could not stand that. I dont wanna watch a 200 million dollar movie that looks like a home video.
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11:25AM on 04/30/2012

Just sounds awful.

Definitely anti-48fps. I like my movies NOT looking like soap operas, filmed plays on PBS, or badly calibrated HDTVs. No thanks, Peter Jackson.
Definitely anti-48fps. I like my movies NOT looking like soap operas, filmed plays on PBS, or badly calibrated HDTVs. No thanks, Peter Jackson.
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11:20AM on 04/30/2012
If nothing else, 48 FPS should make for some breathtaking documentaries. From what I've read, the helicopter nature shots from The Hobbit demo real were second to none.
If nothing else, 48 FPS should make for some breathtaking documentaries. From what I've read, the helicopter nature shots from The Hobbit demo real were second to none.
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3:56PM on 04/30/2012

48 FPS

Sorry guys, but what the hell are you talking about when you say soap operas and PBS. He is using RED cameras for Christ's sake!!! We are talking about 5K resolution!!! I'm sorry, but I will definitely, at least, give it the benefit of doubt it deserves.
I don't think he would do something like this just because he wants to, or doing it while still having doubts of its effectiveness or how much it will put us off.
Even though I haven't seen it, I can assure you it has nothing to do with that
Sorry guys, but what the hell are you talking about when you say soap operas and PBS. He is using RED cameras for Christ's sake!!! We are talking about 5K resolution!!! I'm sorry, but I will definitely, at least, give it the benefit of doubt it deserves.
I don't think he would do something like this just because he wants to, or doing it while still having doubts of its effectiveness or how much it will put us off.
Even though I haven't seen it, I can assure you it has nothing to do with that stupid function of modern tvs called motion flow, since the whole method of recording and then processing and projecting the image is totally different.
So please, give it a shot first and THEN if you don't like it, complain all you want.
Hell, most possibly you won't have a 48fps theatre near you anyway.
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3:26PM on 04/30/2012
Everyone needs to calm the F down. This is PJ here. I trust him and if you guys are LOTR fans, then so should you. Lets judge for ourselves before we start all this bitching.
Everyone needs to calm the F down. This is PJ here. I trust him and if you guys are LOTR fans, then so should you. Lets judge for ourselves before we start all this bitching.
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11:46AM on 04/30/2012
I think the only problem with 48 fps is that we aren't used to it. I'm sure that will change.

I trust Peter Jackson. The Lord of the Rings films were a big part of shaping me into the film geek that I am today (I was barely 11 when the first one came out). He has my trust based on that alone.
I think the only problem with 48 fps is that we aren't used to it. I'm sure that will change.

I trust Peter Jackson. The Lord of the Rings films were a big part of shaping me into the film geek that I am today (I was barely 11 when the first one came out). He has my trust based on that alone.
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11:07AM on 04/30/2012
The rock and pool, is nice and cool, so juicy sweet. Our only wish, to catch a fish, so juicy sweet. Oh yes we could. Spoilin' nice fish. Give it to us raw and w-r-r-riggling; you keep nasty chips.
The rock and pool, is nice and cool, so juicy sweet. Our only wish, to catch a fish, so juicy sweet. Oh yes we could. Spoilin' nice fish. Give it to us raw and w-r-r-riggling; you keep nasty chips.
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4:30PM on 05/01/2012
I wont even PRETEND im not going to see this, whether it looks like Batman or the shittiest BBC detective show. My butt is in that seat. PJ knows how to make a movie, people. See for yourselves.
I wont even PRETEND im not going to see this, whether it looks like Batman or the shittiest BBC detective show. My butt is in that seat. PJ knows how to make a movie, people. See for yourselves.
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7:20AM on 05/01/2012

We'll see...

If it's anything like the settings on an HDTV, then no you don't get used to it. I watched a whole movie and a half with that crappy *trumotion* when I first got my HDTV and vowed never to watch another movie on it again if I couldn't figure out how to change that setting...

However... seeing as how those films were not shot at 48 fps, they were never intended to be viewed as such... So MAYBE this will look great after you adjust. Though because of the many reviews about it looking like a
If it's anything like the settings on an HDTV, then no you don't get used to it. I watched a whole movie and a half with that crappy *trumotion* when I first got my HDTV and vowed never to watch another movie on it again if I couldn't figure out how to change that setting...

However... seeing as how those films were not shot at 48 fps, they were never intended to be viewed as such... So MAYBE this will look great after you adjust. Though because of the many reviews about it looking like a soap opera or cheap made for TV movie, I'm not getting my hopes up... But hopefully I'll be pleasantly surprised.
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9:42PM on 04/30/2012
I don't think this is a gimmick. I think Jackson is trying to take the tech of cinematography in a different direction. It's innovation. I don't want to repeat what previous users have said but the truth is that the industry has been greatly affected (and disadvantaged) by new tech. For more than a hundred years the world has seen cinema change and adapt, learning from mistakes and making the overall experience better. Jackson is simply trying something different. Yes, change may not be
I don't think this is a gimmick. I think Jackson is trying to take the tech of cinematography in a different direction. It's innovation. I don't want to repeat what previous users have said but the truth is that the industry has been greatly affected (and disadvantaged) by new tech. For more than a hundred years the world has seen cinema change and adapt, learning from mistakes and making the overall experience better. Jackson is simply trying something different. Yes, change may not be appropriate all the time but why not? Experimentation should be a praised practice. Now this is where I think he might've slipped. Rather than risk millions of dollars on a highly-anticipated film to experiment with this new method, he should've tried a few short projects first. When the 5D Mark II first started making waves as "the premiere" filmmaking DSLR (I'm not much of a DSLR kind a guy) Lucasfilm jumped on the opportunity to experiment with a camera that wasn't meant for film. In the process they created a couple of fantastic short films that inspired a new wave of indie-filmmaking (I'm still a 16mm kind of guy) but the fact remains that they tried experimenting first before making a feature with it. After only three years they and the rest of the filmmaking community managed to work out the kinks on DSLR such as audio gain control, rolling shutters, etc. which resulted in two awesome features shot on a DSLR ( one of them being Winter's Bone). That's just an example, imagine what could be done with more tests! I remember grumpy old farts (like myself) who wanted to stick with film rather than switch to digital because it wasn't as rich in color or whatever and looked FAR too fake. That was taken cared of very quickly. What I'm trying to say is let's not get too crazy on bashing this without judging the film with our own eyes. Don't compare this to television. As cinephiles we shouldn't even put the two in the same sentence, regardless of how similar they look. There's still so much to compare like color ratio for example. So many variables have to be accounted for. This is a whole new monster we're going to deal with now. We've been dealing with rules that worked in the 24fps world. Just like the DSLR-revolution tests have to be made and judgements are will have to be made after those tests are ran. I know because when running 120fps and 240fps lap tests at my university it's crucial to understand nothing remains the same. Let's calm down and wait for this film to come out before we start flipping chairs. In the meantime I'm going to go hunt some TDKR clues...
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5:17PM on 04/30/2012
Jackson's LotR track record means he gets the benefit of the doubt from me. This is the kind of thing that if it works out people will forget they bitched...just like when they started filming, oh I dunno, the Lord of the Rings trilogy.
And yeah, King Kong sucked gorilla dong...

...in Hong Kong. Where he played ping pong.
Jackson's LotR track record means he gets the benefit of the doubt from me. This is the kind of thing that if it works out people will forget they bitched...just like when they started filming, oh I dunno, the Lord of the Rings trilogy.
And yeah, King Kong sucked gorilla dong...

...in Hong Kong. Where he played ping pong.
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4:37PM on 04/30/2012
Nachotroncoso - You have no idea what you're talking about. Any high-end camera can record at multiple framerates. The image quality of the RED has nothing to do with any particular framerate.

Let me sum it up for you. Your entire life, 99.9% of any movie you've seen has been 24fps. 99.9% of any TV show you've seen has been at 30fps. (assuming you live in the US) Herein lies the problem. Watching a movie at anything higher than 24fps is going to make you feel like you're watching a TV
Nachotroncoso - You have no idea what you're talking about. Any high-end camera can record at multiple framerates. The image quality of the RED has nothing to do with any particular framerate.

Let me sum it up for you. Your entire life, 99.9% of any movie you've seen has been 24fps. 99.9% of any TV show you've seen has been at 30fps. (assuming you live in the US) Herein lies the problem. Watching a movie at anything higher than 24fps is going to make you feel like you're watching a TV show, and thus make it feel cheaper and less cinematic. But only because that's what you're used to, whether consciously or subconsciously.

And yes, it's actually almost exactly like the 120hz feature on the new TV's. Same concept.
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11:46AM on 04/30/2012
Considering the fact that even 30 FPS drives me absolutely crazy, I have no desire to see this in 48. AT ALL.

Still excited for the movie, though.
Considering the fact that even 30 FPS drives me absolutely crazy, I have no desire to see this in 48. AT ALL.

Still excited for the movie, though.
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9:14AM on 05/01/2012
Ok first of all, you CAN turn off that "true motion" setting on your HDTV. I did it on mine, and I watch my Blu-Rays like I used to watch my DVDs, only now they're f**king crystal-clear and awesome. Two, I have nothing against directors wanting to pioneer a new wave of filmmaking. It's a good thing. But why, WHY, did Jackson have to use The Hobbit as his guinea pig? I mean it's f**king Lord Of The Rings, man! I've waited 10 years for this and to know that there's negative feedback about the way
Ok first of all, you CAN turn off that "true motion" setting on your HDTV. I did it on mine, and I watch my Blu-Rays like I used to watch my DVDs, only now they're f**king crystal-clear and awesome. Two, I have nothing against directors wanting to pioneer a new wave of filmmaking. It's a good thing. But why, WHY, did Jackson have to use The Hobbit as his guinea pig? I mean it's f**king Lord Of The Rings, man! I've waited 10 years for this and to know that there's negative feedback about the way it moves is both frustrating and a lil' heartbreaking.
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12:07PM on 04/30/2012
48fps looks like when you turn smooth motion on your TV. If you like that then more power to you. I personally think it looks terrible.

What is funny is that for the past decade video cameras have been fighting against this look. Now suddenly, we are going backwards, back to the soap opera look of video?
48fps looks like when you turn smooth motion on your TV. If you like that then more power to you. I personally think it looks terrible.

What is funny is that for the past decade video cameras have been fighting against this look. Now suddenly, we are going backwards, back to the soap opera look of video?
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3:08PM on 04/30/2012
Everything is going backwards. People are getting stupider, what do you expect. Look at the trash that is plagued on TV and movie screens now? Gimmicks get morons into theaters, plain and simple.
Everything is going backwards. People are getting stupider, what do you expect. Look at the trash that is plagued on TV and movie screens now? Gimmicks get morons into theaters, plain and simple.
5:25PM on 04/30/2012

maybe im the exception...

but i love the soap opera effect when watching tv, movies, or playing video games. at first it was hard to get used to, especially since the clarity highlights blemishes, but now i absolutely love it. if jackson is filming in this speed natively, it should look spectacular! yea i know ill get sh*t for this but for some reason i love high frame rates...
but i love the soap opera effect when watching tv, movies, or playing video games. at first it was hard to get used to, especially since the clarity highlights blemishes, but now i absolutely love it. if jackson is filming in this speed natively, it should look spectacular! yea i know ill get sh*t for this but for some reason i love high frame rates...
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7:26PM on 04/30/2012
I've been using my TV's 240hz processing to watch my films and it creates the same lind of feel, like they're nature shows on PBS, it's cool.
I've been using my TV's 240hz processing to watch my films and it creates the same lind of feel, like they're nature shows on PBS, it's cool.
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7:30PM on 04/30/2012
yea, at first i didnt like it, but now my eyes are used to it, and i think if technology continues to refine it, then it could be better in the future
yea, at first i didnt like it, but now my eyes are used to it, and i think if technology continues to refine it, then it could be better in the future
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6:41PM on 04/30/2012
48fps will be fine. Funny how Nolan keeps insisting on Imax with its limited screens. Like he just must shoot in that format, and be hobbeled by the limited number of screens people can actually see it fully on. There will be heaps more 48fps screens available by the time The Hobbit comes than imax screens.
48fps will be fine. Funny how Nolan keeps insisting on Imax with its limited screens. Like he just must shoot in that format, and be hobbeled by the limited number of screens people can actually see it fully on. There will be heaps more 48fps screens available by the time The Hobbit comes than imax screens.
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7:32PM on 04/30/2012
So? He wants to film in the best format. Certainly better than 3D or 48 fps. Hell, IMAX theaters are even the best for showing 35 mm, due to their perfect projection and sound. IMAX actually has standards, as opposed to your local poorly managed AMC or whatever.

If studios and theater owners weren't cheap as fuck, they'd realize that IMAX is THE way to get butts in seats. It simply cannot be replicated in the home, unlike 48 fps or 3D.
So? He wants to film in the best format. Certainly better than 3D or 48 fps. Hell, IMAX theaters are even the best for showing 35 mm, due to their perfect projection and sound. IMAX actually has standards, as opposed to your local poorly managed AMC or whatever.

If studios and theater owners weren't cheap as fuck, they'd realize that IMAX is THE way to get butts in seats. It simply cannot be replicated in the home, unlike 48 fps or 3D.
12:23PM on 04/30/2012

I don't know what to think yet

When I see a TV using the "smooth motion" frame interpolation it gives me a headache and makes everything look like artificial shit.
However, this is 48fps from the get-go - with no alteration from the original source - so I'm not sure how it'll turn out. I hope it doesn't suck, but I probably won't see it in the theaters anyway.
When I see a TV using the "smooth motion" frame interpolation it gives me a headache and makes everything look like artificial shit.
However, this is 48fps from the get-go - with no alteration from the original source - so I'm not sure how it'll turn out. I hope it doesn't suck, but I probably won't see it in the theaters anyway.
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2:26PM on 04/30/2012

no thanks...

if its as sharp as people are saying then I'll pass. I don't doubt that some specialty films might make good use of this new technology, same goes for 3D, but keep it out of the mainstream. This type of technology isn't the same as going from silent films to color surround. Digital HD, when made to look like high quality film stock, looks great, but the fact is that it can mimic film and the closer it gets to that the better it is. Trying to push changes like this on film is like me telling you
if its as sharp as people are saying then I'll pass. I don't doubt that some specialty films might make good use of this new technology, same goes for 3D, but keep it out of the mainstream. This type of technology isn't the same as going from silent films to color surround. Digital HD, when made to look like high quality film stock, looks great, but the fact is that it can mimic film and the closer it gets to that the better it is. Trying to push changes like this on film is like me telling you your ice cream sundae would taste better with shit in it. No sir, I don't want to eat your shit sundae, I'm good.
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