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Producer Jerry Bruckheimer thinks The Lone Ranger will be viewed as a "brave" film over time

Jul. 30, 2013by: Paul Shirey

This summer's THE LONE RANGER, much like Disney's JOHN CARTER of last year, was pronounced dead on arrival by audiences and panned by more than two-thirds of critics. However, there is also a band of resistance that has trumpeted the film a misunderstood suceess, one of which is producer Jerry Bruckheimer. Speaking at the TV Critics Association press tour to promote his new show, Hostages, the legendary producer gave his two cents on how some films miss their mark with people on their first go round, saying:

"It reminds me of a critic who called Flashdance a 'toxic dump.' Ten years later [the critic] said, 'This is really a good movie. I missed it.' I think [Lone Ranger] is going to be looked back on as a brave, wonderful film." Bruckheimer said the bad reviews obviously helped keep audiences away, but that it can sometimes be the opposite in other markets. "You always want to get good reviews, but you know, it's reversed in Europe. It's 70 percent good reviews and 30 percent mixed there. So, that happens."

You can toss my name in with the folks who enjoyed THE LONE RANGER. It wasn't perfect and could easily lose 20 minutes, but it was fun, inventive, dark, and nostalgic, which echoed the memories I had of watching the 1981 THE LEGEND OF THE LONE RANGER as a boy. I think that once people get over "trusting the hate" that's come from critics and, y'know, actually watch the film, many perspectives will be changed. Undoubtedly, some will still hate it, but I think many will find a film that was grossly misunderstood and sold short, again, just like Disney's JOHN CARTER. So, in this instance, I agree with Bruckheimer.

For those that saw it, do you think this is a film that will catch on in time or do you agree that it's the bomb critics panned it as?

Extra Tidbit: Which sequel from Bruckheimer would you want to see more: Top Gun 2 or The Rock 2?
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11:19AM on 07/30/2013
Heh...Johnny Depp directed and starred in a film called "The Brave" with Marlon Brando. It was, by all accounts, misguided. I thought the Lone Ranger wasn't a terrible film, it was just so obvious that they were trying to push Tonto to the forefront and portray Reid as a total fool, which isn't very respectful of the character who is the core of the franchise.
Heh...Johnny Depp directed and starred in a film called "The Brave" with Marlon Brando. It was, by all accounts, misguided. I thought the Lone Ranger wasn't a terrible film, it was just so obvious that they were trying to push Tonto to the forefront and portray Reid as a total fool, which isn't very respectful of the character who is the core of the franchise.
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11:23AM on 07/30/2013
I don't think it will be considered brave, but I do think it will eventually find a big audience. I had a lot of fun with it. It had this cool Don Quixote aspect. Totally went against the grain since the market should have dictated a hard, gritty reboot of the material. I was happy it went for a light-hearted routine instead
I don't think it will be considered brave, but I do think it will eventually find a big audience. I had a lot of fun with it. It had this cool Don Quixote aspect. Totally went against the grain since the market should have dictated a hard, gritty reboot of the material. I was happy it went for a light-hearted routine instead
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11:29AM on 07/30/2013
I actually really enjoyed this movie. I agree with lots of people that Depp's schtick is getting a little tiresome, but I thought it worked in this movie and it was entertaining. I thought the plot had some nice flow to it, and it's one of the few movies this summer where even the low points where characters talk for exposition was actually entertaining. I think if this movie had come out at the beginning of the summer box office season it would have done better. I think critics were
I actually really enjoyed this movie. I agree with lots of people that Depp's schtick is getting a little tiresome, but I thought it worked in this movie and it was entertaining. I thought the plot had some nice flow to it, and it's one of the few movies this summer where even the low points where characters talk for exposition was actually entertaining. I think if this movie had come out at the beginning of the summer box office season it would have done better. I think critics were reviewing it with all the baggage from Iron Man 3, Star Trek ID, and Man of Steel (whether they think those were good or bad), and let those movies affect what they thought of this movie. If it had come out at the beginning of summer without having to contend with established franchises like the above, I think it would have gotten better reviews and a higher gross at the box office. It's a shame that sequels come down to how much the previous movie made, because I would love to see more stories of The Lone Ranger.
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11:32AM on 07/30/2013
I think that this will find its audience when it hit dvd and blu ray. I really enjoyed the film and the way we see Reid go from a person who believes in the letter of the law to a person who learns that sometimes justice has to come in other forms.
I think that this will find its audience when it hit dvd and blu ray. I really enjoyed the film and the way we see Reid go from a person who believes in the letter of the law to a person who learns that sometimes justice has to come in other forms.
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11:33AM on 07/30/2013

Hurm....

I agree with the writer's review 100%, and the final action scene is incredible and inventive, with Depp really doing an awesome homage to Buster Keaton, Chaplin, and other great comedians from the silent era - specifically one train film I can't remember the name of. It's a classic, and I think it's just called the great train robbery. Unfortunately, with people getting tired of Depp, and him still basically doing the same thing here, I don't think it will catch on. The films that catch on
I agree with the writer's review 100%, and the final action scene is incredible and inventive, with Depp really doing an awesome homage to Buster Keaton, Chaplin, and other great comedians from the silent era - specifically one train film I can't remember the name of. It's a classic, and I think it's just called the great train robbery. Unfortunately, with people getting tired of Depp, and him still basically doing the same thing here, I don't think it will catch on. The films that catch on are usually ones that most people never heard of, which isn't the case for this. Overtime people will catch it on HBO and see that it's a fun movie, but it's not going to like, make it's money back.
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12:01PM on 07/30/2013
The General! I thought of the same thing during that sequence. Excellent stuff.
The General! I thought of the same thing during that sequence. Excellent stuff.
11:39AM on 07/30/2013

Delusional

In no way, shape, or form is 'The Lone Ranger' a brave film; even if you (inexplicably) enjoyed it's tedious mixing of racism, bad CGI, and making shit up as it went along. Mindless action films (ie- this, the 'GI Joe' movies) are not brave, they aren't meant to be. Fun? Yes, absolutely. More importantly, trying to add such a weight to your movie that has widely been decried as having all the stereotypes of Native Americans (which it does), and feels like a manufactured product. Last year's
In no way, shape, or form is 'The Lone Ranger' a brave film; even if you (inexplicably) enjoyed it's tedious mixing of racism, bad CGI, and making shit up as it went along. Mindless action films (ie- this, the 'GI Joe' movies) are not brave, they aren't meant to be. Fun? Yes, absolutely. More importantly, trying to add such a weight to your movie that has widely been decried as having all the stereotypes of Native Americans (which it does), and feels like a manufactured product. Last year's 'John Carter' might have also bombed, but in the end it got more favorable reviews than initially expected, and it's obvious that the filmmakers cared about what they were doing. Not so here. I realize 99.999% of all films made are a product to be sold, but even bad movies that fall into that category can at least feel like the filmmakers truly believed in the story, etc. Everything about this goddamned fiasco reeks of pure lifeless money grabbing, and in a few years, I hope the audience members storm Buckheimer's home and force him to pay them back. He's delusional, out of touch, and apparently, shockingly racist (again, that whole it'll 'brave' thing. Of which, only the KKK and rather terrible racist people will view a modern day action film with this level of racism as brave).

That was a far longer rant than I intended it to be. The biggest problem with the film is that the (minimal) action scenes aren't fun, you could write out Helena Bonham Carter entirely and not change even one iota of the plot (and shave some much needed time off it's oppressive runtime), and all the horse jokes make no sense. This movie is the second most insulting film of the year, and Bruckheimer is an idiot trying to defend it.
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11:39AM on 07/30/2013

Brave???

The only thing brave about this movie was it's exasperatingly long run time. Don't get me wrong, if the whole movie was as good as the first 20 mins and the last 30 mins Disney may have had another hit on their hands. It's that hour and five minutes in the middle that destroyed any chance of this movie being worth while.
The only thing brave about this movie was it's exasperatingly long run time. Don't get me wrong, if the whole movie was as good as the first 20 mins and the last 30 mins Disney may have had another hit on their hands. It's that hour and five minutes in the middle that destroyed any chance of this movie being worth while.
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11:45AM on 07/30/2013
I still want to see it but waiting for Blu-Ray.
I still want to see it but waiting for Blu-Ray.
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11:59AM on 07/30/2013

100% Agreed

I was thrilled for another [link] teaming after adoring the PotC sequels, which are also very brave and great examples of what a blockbuster can achieve with a huge budget and the balls to be poetic amidst all the boldly composed action sequences. The Lone Ranger continues the tradition with another dead genre, and this time it overtly recognizes its timing. How ballsy is that framing bit at the fair? Not only do we open on a shot of the Golden Gate Bridge being BUILT (as opposed to destroyed
I was thrilled for another [link] teaming after adoring the PotC sequels, which are also very brave and great examples of what a blockbuster can achieve with a huge budget and the balls to be poetic amidst all the boldly composed action sequences. The Lone Ranger continues the tradition with another dead genre, and this time it overtly recognizes its timing. How ballsy is that framing bit at the fair? Not only do we open on a shot of the Golden Gate Bridge being BUILT (as opposed to destroyed as in countless other blockbusters going back to It Came From Beneath the Sea), but we move on to a defunct Old West exhibit that no one is interested in anymore, just like modern audiences are no longer interested in the Western genre. The film goes on to weave a beautifully symphonic tale of how corrupted businessman polluted our country, its native people and unfortunate people from other countries with steam-powered greed (symbolized by silver) while honoring its central characters' history in the entertainment world and appropriately updating the marginalized Tonto sidekick. Obviously I loved the movie, and it is great to hear Bruckheimer making this statement as it shows how the filmmakers recognize the integrity of the artwork they have created.
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12:16PM on 07/30/2013
I went into this flick not expecting much but I got something much different. I highly enjoyed it as it was very funny and just plain fun to watch!!
I went into this flick not expecting much but I got something much different. I highly enjoyed it as it was very funny and just plain fun to watch!!
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12:29PM on 07/30/2013
Will it be seen as "brave" as John Carter was?
Will it be seen as "brave" as John Carter was?
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12:42PM on 07/30/2013
Comparisons to John Carter are strictly financial.
Comparisons to John Carter are strictly financial.
12:50PM on 07/30/2013

Nice try Jerry...

Way to change the conversation. Its today and its pretty bad. If anyone looks this movie up years from now for any other reason than it had Depp in it or that it was a financial flop, I'd be very surprised. So, that happens.
Way to change the conversation. Its today and its pretty bad. If anyone looks this movie up years from now for any other reason than it had Depp in it or that it was a financial flop, I'd be very surprised. So, that happens.
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1:08PM on 07/30/2013

This Movie Pissed Me Off

First, I really enjoyed John Carter, but they miscast the lead. If it had been Hugh Jackman, I think the results would probably have been different. before I begin, it should be noted that I am a huge fan of the entire cast - Armie Hammer did something in The Social Network that not many actors could pull off. Now, I was raised on pulp, and The Lone Ranger is one of the easiest heroes to get right. DO give him his traditional origin, DON'T make him a puss with a rod so far up his ass it pokes
First, I really enjoyed John Carter, but they miscast the lead. If it had been Hugh Jackman, I think the results would probably have been different. before I begin, it should be noted that I am a huge fan of the entire cast - Armie Hammer did something in The Social Network that not many actors could pull off. Now, I was raised on pulp, and The Lone Ranger is one of the easiest heroes to get right. DO give him his traditional origin, DON'T make him a puss with a rod so far up his ass it pokes out his mouth. DO make Tonto brave, wise, adept and equal. DON'T do whatever the hell they did. DO keep the silver bullets. DON"T give him a whip...he's not Zorro for Christ's sake.
The film is just a mess, and not worthy of the quality of actors in it. It will not be remembered as "Brave". It will be remembered as "That OTHERR piece of shit Lone ranger film...the one without Clinton Spilsbury"
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2:23PM on 07/30/2013
I completely agree... Although I did actually enjoy Johnny depps tonto in the film I absolutely hated the character of the Lone Ranger. I just didn't buy him as any kind of hero... I can't say the movie was completely terrible since I only made it through half of it... Only movie I've ever walked out of.
I completely agree... Although I did actually enjoy Johnny depps tonto in the film I absolutely hated the character of the Lone Ranger. I just didn't buy him as any kind of hero... I can't say the movie was completely terrible since I only made it through half of it... Only movie I've ever walked out of.
1:14PM on 07/30/2013
How long has it been since you watched the Lone Ranger pilot? Same origin, all the way down to the Comanche necklace. Though I will say I DO appreciate that your criticisms appear to be well thought-out - uncommon! Thank you.
How long has it been since you watched the Lone Ranger pilot? Same origin, all the way down to the Comanche necklace. Though I will say I DO appreciate that your criticisms appear to be well thought-out - uncommon! Thank you.
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1:14PM on 07/30/2013
This was the movie I was most excited for. I loved Legend of the Lone Ranger as a child, and was excited to take my daughter with me to see it. But the running time was too long for her to sit through, and the idea of Butch Cavendish eating hearts didn't really appeal to what I wanted to see from a Lone Ranger update.

so, it went from my must see to Redbox. granted I have not seen it, but I don't think the film we be viewed as brave or misunderstood even though I expect to enjoy it when
This was the movie I was most excited for. I loved Legend of the Lone Ranger as a child, and was excited to take my daughter with me to see it. But the running time was too long for her to sit through, and the idea of Butch Cavendish eating hearts didn't really appeal to what I wanted to see from a Lone Ranger update.

so, it went from my must see to Redbox. granted I have not seen it, but I don't think the film we be viewed as brave or misunderstood even though I expect to enjoy it when I see it; I expect it will be viewed simply as not as bad as it was originally criticized, but the victim of its own excess and a few bad ideas thrown into what is likely a pretty good movie otherwise.
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1:26PM on 07/30/2013
Loved Lone Ranger and thought it was an extremely fun, entertaining film with great chemistry between Hammer and Depp. I would have loved to have seen a sequel or two to see where the characters would have gone next. It just sucks when you really like the first origins film and the majority doesn't then that means no potential for sequels. It's the same thing with Green Lantern, John Carter, and Dredd all over again.

It's a shame it bombed. It really was a fun, imaginative film. Would
Loved Lone Ranger and thought it was an extremely fun, entertaining film with great chemistry between Hammer and Depp. I would have loved to have seen a sequel or two to see where the characters would have gone next. It just sucks when you really like the first origins film and the majority doesn't then that means no potential for sequels. It's the same thing with Green Lantern, John Carter, and Dredd all over again.

It's a shame it bombed. It really was a fun, imaginative film. Would gladly take a Lone Ranger 2 over Pirates of the Carriben 12.
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2:57PM on 07/30/2013
have you had your common sense removed?
have you had your common sense removed?
2:06PM on 07/30/2013
Dredd is the only one of those films that deserves a follow up. The rest are just plain awful.
Dredd is the only one of those films that deserves a follow up. The rest are just plain awful.
1:32PM on 07/30/2013
I was one of the few who enjoyed it. I did not like the Pirate films that much. I am a Cowboys and Indians type. But it still could have been much better. I am not going to get it on dvd.
I was one of the few who enjoyed it. I did not like the Pirate films that much. I am a Cowboys and Indians type. But it still could have been much better. I am not going to get it on dvd.
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1:47PM on 07/30/2013

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I would love to have seen a Rock 2 like 3 years after the original, but now Nic Cage looks like a monkey ripped his face off and Sean Connery is just way too old.
I would love to have seen a Rock 2 like 3 years after the original, but now Nic Cage looks like a monkey ripped his face off and Sean Connery is just way too old.
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2:14PM on 07/30/2013

Top Gun 2

I've lost that loving feeling...
I've lost that loving feeling...
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2:19PM on 07/30/2013
Jerry's pushing it a little with the "brave" stuff, but I will agree that The Lone Ranger isn't as bad as critics say it is. I thought it was fun and very enjoyable and had some great cinematography and CGI work. It suffered because it was targeted towards kids but kids were way too busy watching Monsters University and Despicable Me 2. Now, The Lone Ranger isn't "brave" or a "classic" by a long shot, so Jerry's just being a cookie-cutter producer here, but I guess it could become one of those
Jerry's pushing it a little with the "brave" stuff, but I will agree that The Lone Ranger isn't as bad as critics say it is. I thought it was fun and very enjoyable and had some great cinematography and CGI work. It suffered because it was targeted towards kids but kids were way too busy watching Monsters University and Despicable Me 2. Now, The Lone Ranger isn't "brave" or a "classic" by a long shot, so Jerry's just being a cookie-cutter producer here, but I guess it could become one of those cult favorites with a niche following over time.

John Carter was incredibly boring though.
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2:43PM on 07/30/2013
I saw about 22 minutes of this movie and was utterly bored by it. Perhaps later down the line I'll give it another look-see.
I saw about 22 minutes of this movie and was utterly bored by it. Perhaps later down the line I'll give it another look-see.
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2:56PM on 07/30/2013
Sorry, this movie could only be classed as "brave" in the future if it had featured werewolves.
Sorry, this movie could only be classed as "brave" in the future if it had featured werewolves.
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3:14PM on 07/30/2013

Brave as in...

... you have to be really brave to sit thru it?
... you have to be really brave to sit thru it?
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3:24PM on 07/30/2013
The best way I've heard the Lone Ranger WAS from a critic and it went something like this, "there's about 40 minutes of a good Lone Ranger movie here, the rest is garbage." For me, this was clearly a movie where everyone had a different vision and no one was on the same page, which is why you get so many quick, random, and absurd tone jumps throughout the movie. However, the climatic train sequence IS phenomenal...I'll give it that much.
The best way I've heard the Lone Ranger WAS from a critic and it went something like this, "there's about 40 minutes of a good Lone Ranger movie here, the rest is garbage." For me, this was clearly a movie where everyone had a different vision and no one was on the same page, which is why you get so many quick, random, and absurd tone jumps throughout the movie. However, the climatic train sequence IS phenomenal...I'll give it that much.
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3:49PM on 07/30/2013
I don't understand him comparing it to Flashdance... that shit was huge in the 80's. As it stands now it made more domestically than the Lone Ranger has, and that's not even adjusting 30 years of inflation and a budget that' a fraction. ... This is just ego-tripping PR nonsense, they've still got blu rays to promote.
I don't understand him comparing it to Flashdance... that shit was huge in the 80's. As it stands now it made more domestically than the Lone Ranger has, and that's not even adjusting 30 years of inflation and a budget that' a fraction. ... This is just ego-tripping PR nonsense, they've still got blu rays to promote.
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4:32PM on 07/30/2013

Agree with author

Have not seen the Lone Ranger. But I'm one of those people who actually like John Carter. Too bad they wont do another one. I would really like to see another one.
Have not seen the Lone Ranger. But I'm one of those people who actually like John Carter. Too bad they wont do another one. I would really like to see another one.
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4:53PM on 07/30/2013
John Carter WAS awesome, and I haven't seen The Lone Ranger, but I made the decision not to see it long before critics started trashing it. It just looked like a bad movie to me. Maybe I was wrong, but my initial reaction to it coupled with the critical response doesn't inspire a lot of confidence. Bruckheimer sounds a little delusional.
John Carter WAS awesome, and I haven't seen The Lone Ranger, but I made the decision not to see it long before critics started trashing it. It just looked like a bad movie to me. Maybe I was wrong, but my initial reaction to it coupled with the critical response doesn't inspire a lot of confidence. Bruckheimer sounds a little delusional.
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5:12PM on 07/30/2013
It's funny, reading the comments below there is not many who actually give a solid reason why the movie sucked, other than "I watched a small part of it and it was boring", "the movie pisses on the original source material", etc. etc. It seems that people judged the movie just because they were fatigued over Pirates of the Carribean, which is a damn shame. I have friends who haven't seen the movie surprised knowing that I saw it and liked it. I mean, it's not exactly an Oscar quality movie but
It's funny, reading the comments below there is not many who actually give a solid reason why the movie sucked, other than "I watched a small part of it and it was boring", "the movie pisses on the original source material", etc. etc. It seems that people judged the movie just because they were fatigued over Pirates of the Carribean, which is a damn shame. I have friends who haven't seen the movie surprised knowing that I saw it and liked it. I mean, it's not exactly an Oscar quality movie but it did get less appreciation than it deserved.
Heck, steal this movie and consider this. It's a mainstream family movie that touches upon almost forgotten issues such as the borderline genocidal American Natives massacres in exchange for land and resources. It has Native American characters written in positive light, it's a mainstream way to promote justice. Tonto is actually a three dimensional character with real motivation. Lone Ranger as a man seeking redemption not only for himself but for the justice system that failed his family and friends. Common sense never left my brain when watching this movie. My suggestion to all of you is that to judge a movie, please watch it first.
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6:00PM on 07/30/2013
Brave? More like racially insensitive
Brave? More like racially insensitive
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8:59AM on 07/31/2013
Get over you politically correct, pretentious self and enjoy things. The reason people don't like stereotypes is because thy're true. Get over it.
Get over you politically correct, pretentious self and enjoy things. The reason people don't like stereotypes is because thy're true. Get over it.
6:03PM on 07/30/2013

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neither The Rock 2 nor Top Gun 2. I want National Treasure 3 with hopefull a good hairpeice for Nic Cage or none at all.
neither The Rock 2 nor Top Gun 2. I want National Treasure 3 with hopefull a good hairpeice for Nic Cage or none at all.
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7:25AM on 07/31/2013
"You know, it's funny I was just telling my assistant this earlier but I went to the bathroom a few days ago and took a MASSIVE shit. We're talking the Mothra of shits here. It took almost three hours to come out and man did it smell bad. But I think, in about ten or twenty years, when people look back on my shit, once enough time has passed and it's had time to dry... people will realise it wasn't so bad after all. It's different overseas, they love shit over there. You ever seen a German
"You know, it's funny I was just telling my assistant this earlier but I went to the bathroom a few days ago and took a MASSIVE shit. We're talking the Mothra of shits here. It took almost three hours to come out and man did it smell bad. But I think, in about ten or twenty years, when people look back on my shit, once enough time has passed and it's had time to dry... people will realise it wasn't so bad after all. It's different overseas, they love shit over there. You ever seen a German shizer video?" Jerry Bruckheimer
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8:55AM on 07/31/2013

What was so bad about "The Lone Ranger"? Other than it's a clone?

"The Lone Ranger" was fun, exciting, and entertaining. The only big problem was it was too much of a clone to "The Pirates of Caribbean" series. Take away "The Pirates" series and I think "The Lone Ranger" would've been adored by people the same way "Curse of The Black Pearl" was. As for the length, it's a Gore Verbinski film, each one of his "Pirates" films were easily 2 and half hours long, so....what's the big surprise here? The length of "The Lone Ranger" was not a factor in my opinion
"The Lone Ranger" was fun, exciting, and entertaining. The only big problem was it was too much of a clone to "The Pirates of Caribbean" series. Take away "The Pirates" series and I think "The Lone Ranger" would've been adored by people the same way "Curse of The Black Pearl" was. As for the length, it's a Gore Verbinski film, each one of his "Pirates" films were easily 2 and half hours long, so....what's the big surprise here? The length of "The Lone Ranger" was not a factor in my opinion
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8:57AM on 07/31/2013
I've been saying since I saw this. This movie is my second favorite movie this summer. And if it came out right before the first "Pirates" movie we'd be seeing "The Lone Ranger 4 or 5" right now and everyone would be hating on pirates. Even if it came out shortly after people would be eating this movie up.
I've been saying since I saw this. This movie is my second favorite movie this summer. And if it came out right before the first "Pirates" movie we'd be seeing "The Lone Ranger 4 or 5" right now and everyone would be hating on pirates. Even if it came out shortly after people would be eating this movie up.
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10:23AM on 07/31/2013
Translation: Jerry Bruckheimer hasn't yet watched The Lone Ranger...

And yeah, John Carter was awesome. TLR was not.
Translation: Jerry Bruckheimer hasn't yet watched The Lone Ranger...

And yeah, John Carter was awesome. TLR was not.
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1:57PM on 07/31/2013
Extra Tidbit: The Rock 2 by a frikkin' mile
For what it's worth, i enjoyed John Carter. It's not a bad movie at all, just gave some people the impression of being clichd because cinema's been borrowing and retelling elements of that story for decades. Even if the story was adapted too late for it to get it's due, it's still a cool film if taken on its own terms.
Extra Tidbit: The Rock 2 by a frikkin' mile
For what it's worth, i enjoyed John Carter. It's not a bad movie at all, just gave some people the impression of being clichd because cinema's been borrowing and retelling elements of that story for decades. Even if the story was adapted too late for it to get it's due, it's still a cool film if taken on its own terms.
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12:44AM on 08/01/2013
Didn't help that they removed the vital "From Mars" from the title, and marketed it in like the worst way possible.
Didn't help that they removed the vital "From Mars" from the title, and marketed it in like the worst way possible.
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