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03.16.2009by:

Sam Raimi was at SXSW this past weekend promoting DRAG ME TO HELL and you knew it wouldn't be long before questions inevitably turned spider-oriented. MTV got Raimi to dish on all things SPIDER-MAN 4 and I'll highlight some of his quotes with my commentary underneath:

"Right now weíre just working on the story for SPIDER-MAN 4 just that one film..."

This would, of course, debunk the rumor that Sony is looking to shoot two SPIDER-MAN films back-to-back. While I'm sure Sony would be thrilled if Raimi were interested, I don't get the feeling he's all that interested in killing himself to make that happen.

"I do have a pretty good idea, but Iím just not a liberty to say yet."

Raimi repeatedly used the phrase "villain or villains" in his conversations as to not even give away whether there'd be one or two. He added that he couldn't say much else about the film's villain because Sony and Marvel have a pretty careful plan about revealing supporting characters. So no Mickey Rourke confirmation yet.

"I canít imagine making a SPIDER-MAN movie without Kirsten...Of course it can be done..."

Tobey Maguire's deal has been locked up (as has, obviously, Raimi's) but Dunst still hasn't signed on to return. She not-so-secretly despised doing the SPIDER-MAN movies at the end of the run and would take a lot to bring her back. But who cares? Raimi's right, it would be hard to imagine it without her but bring her in for a cameo and promote Gwen Stacy to full-time girlfriend. It can be done and I for one think it'd be a better movie if it were done...

To read more from Raimi on SPIDER-MAN 4, click here to head to MTV.

Extra Tidbit: If not Lizard, give me Mysterio.
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9:42AM on 03/16/2009

Screw Dunst

They already screwed up the Gwen Stacey thing. Recast and keep rolling with MJ or bring in Felicia Hardy/The Black Cat.
They already screwed up the Gwen Stacey thing. Recast and keep rolling with MJ or bring in Felicia Hardy/The Black Cat.
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9:58AM on 03/16/2009
Hey, does anyone know why I don't care about this movie? I can't seem to remember. Oh, wait, now I can! Yeah...it was that lump of crap people kept calling Spider-Man 3 that ruined every bit of admiration I had for the Spider-Man franchise.

Yup. Now I remember. Sam Raimi can go f**k himself, and so can the rest of the cast. Reboot, remake, do whatever. This series is over with. It sucks. It doesn't work. Did I mention Sam Raimi is a loser who can go f**k himself? I did...sorry, just making
Hey, does anyone know why I don't care about this movie? I can't seem to remember. Oh, wait, now I can! Yeah...it was that lump of crap people kept calling Spider-Man 3 that ruined every bit of admiration I had for the Spider-Man franchise.

Yup. Now I remember. Sam Raimi can go f**k himself, and so can the rest of the cast. Reboot, remake, do whatever. This series is over with. It sucks. It doesn't work. Did I mention Sam Raimi is a loser who can go f**k himself? I did...sorry, just making sure.
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10:29AM on 03/16/2009
Its got to be tough for Raimi to figure out what to do next. I'm sure Spiderman 3 hurt him too, plus the BS that you have to listen to from people like Arvindh; who I"m sure would cry even at the slightest criticism to his hop scotch game, let alone helming a multimillioner film franchise.

I'm a big fan of Spiderman, since I was a kid but I didn't care too much for the series myself. Then again I don't pretend to have charisma or work ethic it takes to make a film like any of the 3
Its got to be tough for Raimi to figure out what to do next. I'm sure Spiderman 3 hurt him too, plus the BS that you have to listen to from people like Arvindh; who I"m sure would cry even at the slightest criticism to his hop scotch game, let alone helming a multimillioner film franchise.

I'm a big fan of Spiderman, since I was a kid but I didn't care too much for the series myself. Then again I don't pretend to have charisma or work ethic it takes to make a film like any of the 3 Spiderman movies. So my hat does certainly go off to Raimi and cast and crew for putting together some fine movies. Do I think they could have been better? Yes, but there is always going to be a bigger fish in the pond and so forth and so on..... but I enjoyed everyone of the movies. So for the fanboys who think they could always do better, the only thing I have to say to you is= What are you waiting for?
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10:31AM on 03/16/2009
Arvindh, chill out. Yes Spider-Man 3 sucked but not all the movies are going to be winners. You can't blame it all on Raimi either since Venom was forced on him. Think of it as a tv show. Just because your favorite tv show has a shitty episode doesnt mean your going to stop watching the show entirely.
Arvindh, chill out. Yes Spider-Man 3 sucked but not all the movies are going to be winners. You can't blame it all on Raimi either since Venom was forced on him. Think of it as a tv show. Just because your favorite tv show has a shitty episode doesnt mean your going to stop watching the show entirely.
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11:02AM on 03/16/2009
with movies, i look at each movie in a series as more of a season of a tv show rather than an episode. and if a show has a bad season, that would be merit enough to stop watching it. thats what happened with me in niptuck after the 4th season i think. but its ok, now i got the wire and breaking bad to watch.
with movies, i look at each movie in a series as more of a season of a tv show rather than an episode. and if a show has a bad season, that would be merit enough to stop watching it. thats what happened with me in niptuck after the 4th season i think. but its ok, now i got the wire and breaking bad to watch.
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11:08AM on 03/16/2009

please no!!!

3rd movie ruined it all. pls make no more of these....i hate it when hollywood makes movies for profit and not quality
3rd movie ruined it all. pls make no more of these....i hate it when hollywood makes movies for profit and not quality
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11:27AM on 03/16/2009
ya well, mr raimi.. you made one of the worst blockbusters ever with spiderman3.. so i don't care for another one at all.
ya well, mr raimi.. you made one of the worst blockbusters ever with spiderman3.. so i don't care for another one at all.
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12:03PM on 03/16/2009

Face it

Why are you people only complaining about Spider-Man 3? The whole trilogy was one big joke. Not even the second installment could change the fact that Tobey Maguire and Kirsten Dunst are bad actors. Even Alfred Molina was fucked up.

"Nothing will stand in my way. Nothing!"

Whaa...? I couldn't believe he uttered such a cliched line. And the way he said it only made things worse.
Why are you people only complaining about Spider-Man 3? The whole trilogy was one big joke. Not even the second installment could change the fact that Tobey Maguire and Kirsten Dunst are bad actors. Even Alfred Molina was fucked up.

"Nothing will stand in my way. Nothing!"

Whaa...? I couldn't believe he uttered such a cliched line. And the way he said it only made things worse.
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12:25PM on 03/16/2009
Since Raimi still owes me $8.50 for the Spiderman 3 ticket, I won't see the 4th.
Since Raimi still owes me $8.50 for the Spiderman 3 ticket, I won't see the 4th.
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12:59PM on 03/16/2009
Dear Sam Raimi and Avi Arad,

We're all tired of Spider-Man movies. SM3 was bad, and I don't think I could watch another one. If you "have to" make another SM movie, please don't cram three villains down everybodies throats. One villain is more than enough for one movie.
Dear Sam Raimi and Avi Arad,

We're all tired of Spider-Man movies. SM3 was bad, and I don't think I could watch another one. If you "have to" make another SM movie, please don't cram three villains down everybodies throats. One villain is more than enough for one movie.
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1:03PM on 03/16/2009

raimi and spiderman = dead 2 me.


raimi and spiderman = dead 2 me.

raimi and spiderman = dead 2 me.
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1:12PM on 03/16/2009

no mj

I could see the franchise continuing without Kirsten as MJ and Gwen as the new love intrest, I'd be fine with that.

I hope the story they're writing a as good and solid as the story for Spidey 2, that was the best movie in the trilogy.

As for villans, again, I would like to see Lizard, Rhino, Carnage and Venom (done right).
I could see the franchise continuing without Kirsten as MJ and Gwen as the new love intrest, I'd be fine with that.

I hope the story they're writing a as good and solid as the story for Spidey 2, that was the best movie in the trilogy.

As for villans, again, I would like to see Lizard, Rhino, Carnage and Venom (done right).
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1:49PM on 03/16/2009

Paulie: Stereotype

People can like what they like.

part 3 was bad but I'm not going to ALL OF SUDDEN condemn all of the Spider-Man movies because of fanboydom. It's very fanboy and I don't have that turncoat mentality that some people have because of ONE MOVIE.

Like or not, Spider-Man 2 was a very sucessful movie that is still regarded as one of the better comic book movies out there. Iron Man and Dark Knight raised that level, but we cannot foget what Spidey 2 did for the biz.

I have an issue with your
People can like what they like.

part 3 was bad but I'm not going to ALL OF SUDDEN condemn all of the Spider-Man movies because of fanboydom. It's very fanboy and I don't have that turncoat mentality that some people have because of ONE MOVIE.

Like or not, Spider-Man 2 was a very sucessful movie that is still regarded as one of the better comic book movies out there. Iron Man and Dark Knight raised that level, but we cannot foget what Spidey 2 did for the biz.

I have an issue with your attitude because if went that route, then everything that I say would be very compulsive, unforgiving, and ignorant.
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2:01PM on 03/16/2009

Don't blame everything on Raimi

Instead of sitting there and saying the Spidey franchise is dead because of one bad entry and that no one will ever see another sequel because Raimi is still directing, you need to remember that Raimi made two rather strong comic book films before that, and in my opinion one of the better comic book movies period in Spidey 2.

Raimi's first script treatment for Spidey 3 involved Sandman and later The Vulture until Avi Arad more or less forced Raimi to take on Venom and change the entire story
Instead of sitting there and saying the Spidey franchise is dead because of one bad entry and that no one will ever see another sequel because Raimi is still directing, you need to remember that Raimi made two rather strong comic book films before that, and in my opinion one of the better comic book movies period in Spidey 2.

Raimi's first script treatment for Spidey 3 involved Sandman and later The Vulture until Avi Arad more or less forced Raimi to take on Venom and change the entire story to fit the one character. Raimi's admittedly didn't care for the character in the comics, and there should of been a cause for concern between all parties.

For the producers to really force feed something like that upon the director is irresponsible in my opinion. That would be like TDK's producers telling Nolan for a third movie they want him to use Mr. Freeze. Freeze doesn't suit Nolan's universe much in the same way Venom never really could fit in Raimi's silver-age type Spidey films.

I'm interested to see if Raimi can capture the same essence of his first two Spider-Man movies if he is given full control on what he would like to see. Spidey 4 could be a great movie with a villain like The Lizard appearing.
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2:28PM on 03/16/2009
I cant believe who childish some people are being. WAAAA I didnt like SM3 so all other Spidey movie will suck!! Come on guys, get over it.
I cant believe who childish some people are being. WAAAA I didnt like SM3 so all other Spidey movie will suck!! Come on guys, get over it.
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2:33PM on 03/16/2009
..and if not Mysterio, give us Rourke as the Scorpion!

And bye bye, Kirsten, don't let the door hit you on the way out!
..and if not Mysterio, give us Rourke as the Scorpion!

And bye bye, Kirsten, don't let the door hit you on the way out!
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2:38PM on 03/16/2009
So really he had nothing to say about SpiderMan 4 itself.
Big Shock.
So really he had nothing to say about SpiderMan 4 itself.
Big Shock.
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3:41PM on 03/16/2009
Forget the haters, we had 2 good spiderman films, and although spiderman 3 had its problems I'm glad we'll be getting more spidey films.
Forget the haters, we had 2 good spiderman films, and although spiderman 3 had its problems I'm glad we'll be getting more spidey films.
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4:31PM on 03/16/2009
You know what it takes to appreciate the SM films , a quickie glance at how they hold up to other comic book based offerings .

Sure B boy was always my fave and Nolan has elevated the dark one to more than fanboy cult status in recent years , but i still love what Raimi has done with all 3 of his offerings , even part 3 was entertaining if a step back compared to 2 . It' was still better than both Hulks , the FF films , Ghostrider , Punisher ,Supes and maybe even IM :) . Okay maybe not that
You know what it takes to appreciate the SM films , a quickie glance at how they hold up to other comic book based offerings .

Sure B boy was always my fave and Nolan has elevated the dark one to more than fanboy cult status in recent years , but i still love what Raimi has done with all 3 of his offerings , even part 3 was entertaining if a step back compared to 2 . It' was still better than both Hulks , the FF films , Ghostrider , Punisher ,Supes and maybe even IM :) . Okay maybe not that one , but it's not the disaster people are claiming it to be . It had some extremely awkward moments , but overall it delivered what i wanted .

This fanboy posturing slays me everytime i read it . Oh man , i'm not watching the 4th , part 3 blew , or if this villain isn't in it , i refuse to pay good money to see it . Raimi has lost the plot , he's dead to me , LOL .

You know , and i know you'll be there along with everyone else when this bad boy is released and it's going to make it's usual 100 plus mil opening weekend , so stop trying to kid everyone , the man in tights is still one of the top dogs in the comic book universe .
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6:56PM on 03/16/2009

THE REAL PROBLEM

The real problem is everyone of the Spiderman movies are the same fucking movie with a slightly different villain. So let me guess Spiderman 4 will show the villains origin then there will be some drama between spiderman and his girlfriend, who ever it is, then it will seem like spiderman gets defeated but he doesn't and comes back and says something witty and defeats the villain; who will probably be the Lizard.

Anyone want to throw in anything else? I think that just about wraps up 3
The real problem is everyone of the Spiderman movies are the same fucking movie with a slightly different villain. So let me guess Spiderman 4 will show the villains origin then there will be some drama between spiderman and his girlfriend, who ever it is, then it will seem like spiderman gets defeated but he doesn't and comes back and says something witty and defeats the villain; who will probably be the Lizard.

Anyone want to throw in anything else? I think that just about wraps up 3 movies. Incredible stories huh? I'm sorry but I never liked the first one, the costume needs to change too, its dumb.
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7:05PM on 03/16/2009
I hope they stay on track and don't get sidelined by Avi Arad's heavy hand like in Spidey 3. Agreed with Samson too, bail on Dunst, bring in more Stacey. And please don't put Rourke in this. Love the guy and all but Marv, Whiplash AND a Spidey villian?C'mon! I personally feel you shouldn't recycle actors in superhero roles, especially a dude as recognizable as Mickey. I'm all for a 4th Spidey though, let's see it!!!
I hope they stay on track and don't get sidelined by Avi Arad's heavy hand like in Spidey 3. Agreed with Samson too, bail on Dunst, bring in more Stacey. And please don't put Rourke in this. Love the guy and all but Marv, Whiplash AND a Spidey villian?C'mon! I personally feel you shouldn't recycle actors in superhero roles, especially a dude as recognizable as Mickey. I'm all for a 4th Spidey though, let's see it!!!
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7:40PM on 03/16/2009

Spider-Man 3 & 4

"Spider-Man 3" - All I'll say is I enjoyed the ride! Hope to see Man-Wolf in next film as one of the villain/characters seein' John Jameson's trip to the Moon was already in the works in a former installment.
"Spider-Man 3" - All I'll say is I enjoyed the ride! Hope to see Man-Wolf in next film as one of the villain/characters seein' John Jameson's trip to the Moon was already in the works in a former installment.
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9:03PM on 03/16/2009

?????

Its easy to imagine it with out either of them...

Dunst and Maguire fucking blow spider shit.

fuck this franchise and fuck its sequels..they missed the mark of who spidey and marry jane are.
Its easy to imagine it with out either of them...

Dunst and Maguire fucking blow spider shit.

fuck this franchise and fuck its sequels..they missed the mark of who spidey and marry jane are.
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9:04PM on 03/16/2009
Man-Wolf? Are you kidding me? Come on now.
Man-Wolf? Are you kidding me? Come on now.
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11:42AM on 03/17/2009

door!?!?!

you sound insane right now, spider-man was one of the few that got it right from the start, the 3rd installment fell i'll admit that, a lot, but 1 and most certainly 2 did a fantastic job, actors included, i can however imagine it without dunst, she did good but if she wants to leave, meh, but tobey did awesome

bad guy- most def mysterio
you sound insane right now, spider-man was one of the few that got it right from the start, the 3rd installment fell i'll admit that, a lot, but 1 and most certainly 2 did a fantastic job, actors included, i can however imagine it without dunst, she did good but if she wants to leave, meh, but tobey did awesome

bad guy- most def mysterio
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1:39PM on 03/17/2009

fuck 'em

spiderman 3 just fucking sucked. if you're gonna do another, then get rid of dunst, you can replace her with a wet mop and still get a better performance. stop making macguire a little fucking bitch.. every fucking movie he's gonna cry. fuck rourke as anything in spiderman. i dont even like him for whiplash. id rather see nicolas cage as mysterio...

how about norman reedus as carnage?
spiderman 3 just fucking sucked. if you're gonna do another, then get rid of dunst, you can replace her with a wet mop and still get a better performance. stop making macguire a little fucking bitch.. every fucking movie he's gonna cry. fuck rourke as anything in spiderman. i dont even like him for whiplash. id rather see nicolas cage as mysterio...

how about norman reedus as carnage?
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4:00PM on 03/17/2009
spiderman 3 would have been much better if they had left venom out of it. keep sandman, keep the symbiote, and have a cliffhanger of the symbiote taking over eddie brock, leading into a 4th movie with venom as the only villian. thats how it should have been done

as for this movie, im thinking villians wise, kraven, mysterio or scorpian. or possibly finding a way to explain venom didnt die and give him his own freaking movie as the villian
spiderman 3 would have been much better if they had left venom out of it. keep sandman, keep the symbiote, and have a cliffhanger of the symbiote taking over eddie brock, leading into a 4th movie with venom as the only villian. thats how it should have been done

as for this movie, im thinking villians wise, kraven, mysterio or scorpian. or possibly finding a way to explain venom didnt die and give him his own freaking movie as the villian
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12:50AM on 03/19/2009

Fuck Raimi

Ya know why I say that? I was a huge fan of 1 and 2, but even in the second one (my fave of the series) the problem was already cropping up: Raimi's insane insistence on making Peter Parker into a whiny crybaby douche bag throughout the whole damned series. I don't want to see this "Oh poor me, my life sucks so hard because I have superpowers" bullshit. I want the funny and witty Spider-Man that I grew up with. Seriously, why can't Raimi let Peter get out of frickin' high school already?

If
Ya know why I say that? I was a huge fan of 1 and 2, but even in the second one (my fave of the series) the problem was already cropping up: Raimi's insane insistence on making Peter Parker into a whiny crybaby douche bag throughout the whole damned series. I don't want to see this "Oh poor me, my life sucks so hard because I have superpowers" bullshit. I want the funny and witty Spider-Man that I grew up with. Seriously, why can't Raimi let Peter get out of frickin' high school already?

If somebody other than Sam Raimi directs, I'm in. As long as his name is attached to the project, count me out. And to all of the people that say Venom wasn't his fault because he hates the character and was forced to put him in there? Suck it. I manage a team of designers and if anybody working for me half-assed something as bad as he did just because it wasn't what they wanted to do, they'd be cleaning out their desk so fast you'd think it was The Flash getting canned. It's called a work ethic, buddy. Take pride in everything you do and all that, yeah?
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