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Review: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (Bumbray's take)

Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (Bumbray's take)
03.24.2016
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PLOT: After watching many of his employees die during Superman’s (Henry Cavill) battle with General Zod in Metropolis, Bruce Wayne (Ben Affleck) aka Batman declares war on the man of steel. Little does either of them realize that they are merely pawns in a larger, more sinister scheme hatched by billionaire industrialist Lex Luthor (Jesse Eisenberg).

REVIEW: Everyone knew that BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE would be divisive, but did anyone think DC and Marvel fans would be going to war over it like they have on Twitter since the review embargo broke Tuesday night? Indeed, the majority of negative reviews from the first round of critics that have seen it are painting a dire portrait of the DCU franchise, but is Zack Snyder’s ambitious, would-be epic as bad as they say? In my humble opinion, not even close. There are some true flashes of inspiration scattered throughout the 150 minute running time and while it’s far from perfect,  BVS is never anything less than a proficient, entertaining superhero epic.

One thing no one could ever accuse Zack Snyder and the execs at Warner Bros of is not being ambitious. No one phoned this one in, but if the film has a failing it’s that they’ve built a massive universe too quickly, with so many hints being dropped about the next few installments that unless you’re totally caught-up on DC lore, some scenes will be baffling. One moment in particular had me scratching my head, with it almost like the watermelon scene in THE ADVENTURES OF BUCKAROO BANZAI, although a friend more caught-up told me this opens the door for JUSTICE LEAGUE in a big way. The same thing goes for numerous other scenes and it’s very possible that once we’ve gotten the expanded universe on the big screen, BVS will suddenly seem great at the way it foreshadowed things to come. Again, it’s ambitious.

What many of the movie’s harshest critics seem to be overlooking are the things BVS does right - and there are plenty. For one thing, Ben Affleck is absolutely perfect as Batman, something even the most furious fanboy who bristled at his casting will have to admit. From the moment a Wayne Industries helicopter drops him off in the midst of The Battle of Metropolis (well-depicted from an on-the-ground perspective) to the first time we see him in the cowl, he’s spot-on. With his salt-and-pepper temples and tailored suits, Affleck’s Wayne is different from any other iterations of the character we’ve seen. A kind of suave, James Bond-like figure, a lot of time is spent establishing Wayne’s detective skills as his most valuable asset (with a techie Alfred played by Jeremy Irons - providing a much-needed dose of humor). In the Bat-suit he’s absolutely vicious and while some fans might be shocked at how willingly Batman kills, it’s strikingly different from the Christopher Nolan/Christian Bale take.

As heavy duty as that version of the Bat-saga was, BVS is even darker, with this being the grimmest superhero movie ever made. There’s very little in the way of levity, but this ultra-bleak tone works mostly because it’s so different from what Marvel’s doing. If this had been a Marvel Studios clone, we’d all be complaining about that. This one truly is its own thing for better or worse.

The worst of it is Henry Cavill’s Superman. While quite good in MAN OF STEEL, Cavill’s Superman here is arrogant and often a bully. I’m of the mind that only Christopher Reeve ever really possessed the kind streak to do this character justice and Cavill struggles with the David Goyer/Chris Terrio take on the character, with him coming up as the movie’s weak link. However, this isn’t too much of a deal breaker as Superman is really in support of Affleck’s Batman. Think of this more as BATMAN I or JUSTICE LEAGUE 0.5 than MAN OF STEEL 2.

Jesse Eisenberg’s Lex Luthor is also pretty dire. Again, it’s a thoroughly different take but he’s so pompous and evil that it’s hard to imagine anyone would be fooled by him - especially the brilliant Bruce Wayne. Many figured this casting wouldn’t work out and in this case, they were right.

But, back to the good stuff. While her screen-time is limited, Gal Gadot is terrific as Wonder Woman. She doesn’t have much to do until the grandiose finale, but she’s so exciting and vibrant in the part that it’s not a stretch to think everyone leaving this - even the ones who hate it - will be marking their calendars for the release of her solo movie. Amy Adams also gives the movie some much needed warmth, as does Diane Lane as Martha Kent. They give the often bombastic film some humanity and are essential ingredients to its success.

It should also be said that BVS is BIG. I was lucky to see this on 70MM IMAX (2D - thank God) with many sequences blown-out to the full IMAX aspect ratio, and it was impressive. While curiously short on action for the first half, the last hour takes an everything-but-the-kitchen-sink approach, and coupled with Hans Zimmer and Junkie XL’s raging (and often memorable) score, it’s quite the spectacle. Snyder’s given the film a rich look, toning down the Terrence Malick-inspired visuals of MAN OF STEEL in favor of something more specifically comic-book like. It’s very cinematic, which is not always the case for superhero films.

While obviously not a four-quadrant crowd-pleaser like the best of the Marvel movies, BVS is still an exciting time at the movies and a real epic stab at creating a new world. While it’s a little all-over-the-place it’s at least an attempt at greatness. Sure, that attempt may not have worked perfectly, but the result is a pretty interesting take on the DC Universe and certainly good enough to spawn-off a fun series in it’s own right. And who knows? Maybe after a badass JUSTICE LEAGUE movie we’ll all look back and think how underrated this was.

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2:01AM on 03/28/2016
needs second viewing to grasp it better and it sure does improve on the experience a second go
needs second viewing to grasp it better and it sure does improve on the experience a second go
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10:07AM on 03/25/2016
I go with Bumbray on this. It's a 7/10.
I go with Bumbray on this. It's a 7/10.
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3:32AM on 03/25/2016
Batman v Superman is a sloppy cluster fuck mess, Fire Zack Snyder's ass!
Batman v Superman is a sloppy cluster fuck mess, Fire Zack Snyder's ass!
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12:29AM on 03/25/2016
This review illustrates problems I have going in to see this. First, Batman doesn't kill. I don't care what you think of his character, Batman doesn't kill. One of the things that makes him the character he is is his code of ethics. He will pummel a guy till his face is bleeding and broken, but he won't kill the man. The fact that they changed this about the character simply to have a different take on Batman negates a massive part of what makes Batman such a complicated and fascinating
This review illustrates problems I have going in to see this. First, Batman doesn't kill. I don't care what you think of his character, Batman doesn't kill. One of the things that makes him the character he is is his code of ethics. He will pummel a guy till his face is bleeding and broken, but he won't kill the man. The fact that they changed this about the character simply to have a different take on Batman negates a massive part of what makes Batman such a complicated and fascinating character. So yes, it's a problem that they make Batman so vicious and willing to kill. Second, dark and gritty is all fine, but when you don't balance it with humor and fun, you have a film that has no reprieve. These comic book characters are supposed to be serious, sure, but they're also supposed to be fun to watch. We're supposed to look at them and wonder and actually enjoy them coming to life. This film doesn't sound like it has much of any of that. It just sounds like it's one dark, grimacing scene after another. Third is the lack of diversity in action. As interesting as the characters may be, the entire first hour doesn't have a single action scene? At least Nolan's films and Marvel know how to balance the drama and action. This film sounds horribly balanced.

Why do I judge the film so harshly? This is supposed to be DC's epic call to action, announcing that they are going to be giving us what we started getting with Marvel when they began their MCU. Instead, we get what appears to be a mediocre film that doesn't live up to it's hype. If this is really how DC is starting their franchise of films, then it seems we should expect to be disappointed.
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1:01AM on 03/25/2016
"Why do I judge the film so harshly?" kind of a strange quote from someone who hasnt seen it. having a long comment doesnt make it thought out or valid. people like you are the problem. It sounds horribly balanced? you can only say that based on opinions you've read, making your comment even more ridiculous. good job forming your own opinion. do everyone a favor and don't see the movie at all. since you already dont like it. Or do go see it, you'll just be supporting it with your money. which
"Why do I judge the film so harshly?" kind of a strange quote from someone who hasnt seen it. having a long comment doesnt make it thought out or valid. people like you are the problem. It sounds horribly balanced? you can only say that based on opinions you've read, making your comment even more ridiculous. good job forming your own opinion. do everyone a favor and don't see the movie at all. since you already dont like it. Or do go see it, you'll just be supporting it with your money. which is what ur gonna do anyway. so you lose no matter what you do.
1:48AM on 03/25/2016
Batman's no kill rule is a staple.

but i gave this a pass and rationalized it.

this is an experienced, post-Jason Todd, near-retirement, doesn't give a fuck anymore Batman. he's made the choice to cross that line. make the judgement call to take a life.

ok, that can happen in a story.

but it shouldn't be the same story where Batman resents Superman for being over-powered.
Batman's no kill rule is a staple.

but i gave this a pass and rationalized it.

this is an experienced, post-Jason Todd, near-retirement, doesn't give a fuck anymore Batman. he's made the choice to cross that line. make the judgement call to take a life.

ok, that can happen in a story.

but it shouldn't be the same story where Batman resents Superman for being over-powered.
5:01PM on 03/28/2016
I do not understand why everyone who says this about Batman not killing, seems to have no problem with the movies before it. He has killed in every movie (save for the 1966 one, I am assuming). No big deal deal in Burton's Batman films, or Nolan's.
Maybe you do have a problem with those. But, it just seems like an excuse to not like a movie. Especially one you haven't actually seen.
That also applies to it being no fun. Where in Nolan's version was there fun? Were there a couple of humorous
I do not understand why everyone who says this about Batman not killing, seems to have no problem with the movies before it. He has killed in every movie (save for the 1966 one, I am assuming). No big deal deal in Burton's Batman films, or Nolan's.
Maybe you do have a problem with those. But, it just seems like an excuse to not like a movie. Especially one you haven't actually seen.
That also applies to it being no fun. Where in Nolan's version was there fun? Were there a couple of humorous moments? Sure. But, it's not like "The Avengers" that has quite a few jokes and a lighter tone.
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9:13PM on 03/24/2016

Good to hear a more positive take....

I'm looking forward to it no matter what (I've had fun in all the Transformer movies, and this HAS to be better that those), but it's good to hear someone talk about the positives. I'm not a Snyder fan, but the hyperbole of the negative reviews was silly. It may be a mediocre movie, but mediocre movies can still get positive reviews if there's something redeeming about them (like great action or a cool breakout character like Affleck). In this you see so many reviews where the reviewer
I'm looking forward to it no matter what (I've had fun in all the Transformer movies, and this HAS to be better that those), but it's good to hear someone talk about the positives. I'm not a Snyder fan, but the hyperbole of the negative reviews was silly. It may be a mediocre movie, but mediocre movies can still get positive reviews if there's something redeeming about them (like great action or a cool breakout character like Affleck). In this you see so many reviews where the reviewer basically says he expected a different movie, so therefore is just going to complain about the stuff he didn't like and ignore the rest.
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9:06PM on 03/24/2016
I trust Bumbray.
I trust Bumbray.
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9:02PM on 03/24/2016

7/10 for me too.

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1:42AM on 03/25/2016
they should have just called this movie "Bruce Wayne Staring At Things"
they should have just called this movie "Bruce Wayne Staring At Things"
6:38PM on 03/24/2016
Batman v Superman isn't as dark and gritty as Nolan's films. BvS has a cartoonish juvenile take on being overtly dark. Nolan's films were more real and believable. But BvS offers nothing but unmotivated darkness and grittiness. It beats over the head with it. Nolan's films were well written, well executed, and they pulled in the audience with highly engaging drama & characters. BvS has none of that.

Dark and gritty is not a bad thing. Fury Road was dark and gritty, yet still one of the
Batman v Superman isn't as dark and gritty as Nolan's films. BvS has a cartoonish juvenile take on being overtly dark. Nolan's films were more real and believable. But BvS offers nothing but unmotivated darkness and grittiness. It beats over the head with it. Nolan's films were well written, well executed, and they pulled in the audience with highly engaging drama & characters. BvS has none of that.

Dark and gritty is not a bad thing. Fury Road was dark and gritty, yet still one of the most fun films of last year. But when you use darkness to mask a shit show, then you have problems like BvS.
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6:58PM on 03/24/2016
Yes...obviously a well written, well executed movie will make any movie better. But...as I said before....the big complaints have been it's too dark. Not that it's "cartoonish juvenile" dark. It's no fun. I'm just telling you what I read. If these people have problems beyond that, so be it. At least say it. You made a much more specific complaint. Which is different, and a better complaint. The complaints I speak of, would mean that people don't like darker superhero films. Which is obviously
Yes...obviously a well written, well executed movie will make any movie better. But...as I said before....the big complaints have been it's too dark. Not that it's "cartoonish juvenile" dark. It's no fun. I'm just telling you what I read. If these people have problems beyond that, so be it. At least say it. You made a much more specific complaint. Which is different, and a better complaint. The complaints I speak of, would mean that people don't like darker superhero films. Which is obviously incorrect.
Have you even seen it, though? You're critique comes from someone who has seen it. I haven't...so I can't agree or disagree with you. But, a darker movie won't bother me. If it has other problems...ok. But, at least I will know for myself.
9:15PM on 03/24/2016
Fury Road wasn't remotely dark. Virtually every character had redeeming qualities, the humor was often and exaggerated (really, guitar guy???), and it had a hopeful vibe from the beginning.
Fury Road wasn't remotely dark. Virtually every character had redeeming qualities, the humor was often and exaggerated (really, guitar guy???), and it had a hopeful vibe from the beginning.
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4:44PM on 03/24/2016

No fun, too dark?

What about "The Dark Knight" trilogy? What is fun about those movies? It's gritty, dark, and realistic.
Now, "BvS" may be moreso, but Nolan's movies are regarded as some of the best comic book movies. With "The Dark Knight" regarded as one of the best ever.
This is a dark movie...so what? It's about 2 iconic superheros fighting each other. I don't have a problem with it. It sounds like there are some other issues, but that is easily the biggest gripe I have read.
I will definitely wait
What about "The Dark Knight" trilogy? What is fun about those movies? It's gritty, dark, and realistic.
Now, "BvS" may be moreso, but Nolan's movies are regarded as some of the best comic book movies. With "The Dark Knight" regarded as one of the best ever.
This is a dark movie...so what? It's about 2 iconic superheros fighting each other. I don't have a problem with it. It sounds like there are some other issues, but that is easily the biggest gripe I have read.
I will definitely wait to see for myself. But, every movie doesn't have to be happy go lucky. Nolan proved that quite nicely.
It will be interesting to see how "Civil War: is treated. Cause, that movie looks like the darkest movie Marvel has put out.
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4:19PM on 03/24/2016

Spoilers

Can someone at JoBlo please monitor this forum for spoilers? Some fucking douche nozzle already posted one in here
Can someone at JoBlo please monitor this forum for spoilers? Some fucking douche nozzle already posted one in here
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5:20PM on 03/24/2016
Couldn't believe it. What an ass. Pazuzu or some shit.
Couldn't believe it. What an ass. Pazuzu or some shit.
12:54PM on 03/25/2016
Poor you. Lol Glad I did.
Poor you. Lol Glad I did.
3:48PM on 03/24/2016
I find it interesting how 95% of negative points of view on this film use "lack of fun" in their reasoning. DC/ Snyder truly are damned if they do/ don't. If they made a safe, "fun", kid friendly superhero movie (as 90% of Marvel's happen to be) they would be crucified as unoriginal copy cats. They go in the opposite direction choosing to lurk in the shadows, they get pummeled for not having any fun (which I read as not being enough like Marvel). As I take a look through my bluray
I find it interesting how 95% of negative points of view on this film use "lack of fun" in their reasoning. DC/ Snyder truly are damned if they do/ don't. If they made a safe, "fun", kid friendly superhero movie (as 90% of Marvel's happen to be) they would be crucified as unoriginal copy cats. They go in the opposite direction choosing to lurk in the shadows, they get pummeled for not having any fun (which I read as not being enough like Marvel). As I take a look through my bluray collection I see a shitload of movies that have NOTHING to do with "fun". Personally, I like an Ant-Man for what it is and enjoy watching it with my 4 year old. It is "fun". But as a grown adult I look forward to my time with some brutal, ballsy, unsafe, dark cinema. And I hope that's what I'm in store for tonight.
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5:59PM on 03/24/2016
You can still be brutal, ballsy, unsafe and dark and have fun. Look at any of the trailers for Suicide Squad for examples of that in the DC universe. Nobody in the movie itself seemed to be enjoying anything that was happening, they were more just enduring bad things happening to them. I wasn't expecting a Marvel flick, but I also was hoping for more than this. Aside from tone, I think the biggest struggle was to balance both superman and batman as main [link] of the movie, and then there was
You can still be brutal, ballsy, unsafe and dark and have fun. Look at any of the trailers for Suicide Squad for examples of that in the DC universe. Nobody in the movie itself seemed to be enjoying anything that was happening, they were more just enduring bad things happening to them. I wasn't expecting a Marvel flick, but I also was hoping for more than this. Aside from tone, I think the biggest struggle was to balance both superman and batman as main [link] of the movie, and then there was too much they tried to cram into the plot, instead of making the best plot they could about those two characters. I still would recommend going, and I think it's an enjoyable experience overall, but most of my issues are plot and character motivation related, not just that it's dark.
3:27PM on 03/24/2016

At this point

I have never been more excited to form my own opinion about a movie.
I have never been more excited to form my own opinion about a movie.
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3:27PM on 03/24/2016
BOUT TIME BUMBRAY, GEEZ. Been waiting on your 'view. Do they ever explain why Batman kills people now? I'd understand him taking the blame over the death of Robin because of his no-kill rule. BUT talk about being divisive; he and Superman are suppose to be the good guys!
BOUT TIME BUMBRAY, GEEZ. Been waiting on your 'view. Do they ever explain why Batman kills people now? I'd understand him taking the blame over the death of Robin because of his no-kill rule. BUT talk about being divisive; he and Superman are suppose to be the good guys!
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2:33PM on 03/24/2016
LOL So we get a negative review and all the haters come out tooting their horns and the fanboys come out trying to discred it.

A positive review comes out...the fans come out and toot their horsn and the trolls come out trying to discredit it.

LOOK Alot of us were hoping this movie would be the second coming of Christ and it Isnt

Alot of YOU were hoping this movie would be the biggest piece of shit ever. IT ISNT!!

alot of people are thinking this is a bad movie. Look theres a
LOL So we get a negative review and all the haters come out tooting their horns and the fanboys come out trying to discred it.

A positive review comes out...the fans come out and toot their horsn and the trolls come out trying to discredit it.

LOOK Alot of us were hoping this movie would be the second coming of Christ and it Isnt

Alot of YOU were hoping this movie would be the biggest piece of shit ever. IT ISNT!!

alot of people are thinking this is a bad movie. Look theres a difference betweetn

This is a BAD movie and I Don't LIKE this movie.

Chris here has put forward an extremely competent review, where he outlines the good, the bad and uses both as a way to objectively score it.

Eric Wakulski just went in and said this was shit shit shit and didn't really focus on anything positive. Which made for a bit of a dicey review.

Also,,,, the teaser trailer basically outlined how people would react to this movie.

"Is it really surprising...that the most anticipated movie in the world..is met with controversy"
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2:51PM on 03/24/2016
Dude, I couldn't said better.
Dude, I couldn't said better.
2:54PM on 03/24/2016
thanks dude
thanks dude
4:27PM on 03/24/2016
Exactly. Eric's lost me when he said there wasn't enough action and too much boring talking. This is the review that's going to set the bar for me. I'll expect good but not great although I was really hoping for the latter.
Exactly. Eric's lost me when he said there wasn't enough action and too much boring talking. This is the review that's going to set the bar for me. I'll expect good but not great although I was really hoping for the latter.
2:21PM on 03/24/2016
I had zero faith in Zack Snyder and Ben Affleck's casting as Batman.I think Zack Snyder is a big threat for Superhero genre.Looks like they tried to make a pretentious movie and failed miserably
I had zero faith in Zack Snyder and Ben Affleck's casting as Batman.I think Zack Snyder is a big threat for Superhero genre.Looks like they tried to make a pretentious movie and failed miserably
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2:27PM on 03/24/2016
Not pretentious; just realistic.
Not pretentious; just realistic.
2:32PM on 03/24/2016
He is no threat. His vision is superbly focused. You can tell he and his writers (with Nolan) did their homework.
He is no threat. His vision is superbly focused. You can tell he and his writers (with Nolan) did their homework.
2:38PM on 03/24/2016
Wow gibsoncr1 are you serious?? Nolan had absolutely NOTHING to do with it! Nothing!
Wow gibsoncr1 are you serious?? Nolan had absolutely NOTHING to do with it! Nothing!
2:41PM on 03/24/2016
I liked some parts of it, but here's where people may talk about the difference between this and Marvel. Nobody is really having fun in this movie, there's not a sense of enjoyment, of anything, from the characters. Where you can argue that maybe it's a Snyder thing, not a DC thing, is that the previews for Suicide Squad already have exponentially more playfulness and fun, while still keeping the dark tone, than this entire movie. This is not a realistic movie, there are surreal dream sequences
I liked some parts of it, but here's where people may talk about the difference between this and Marvel. Nobody is really having fun in this movie, there's not a sense of enjoyment, of anything, from the characters. Where you can argue that maybe it's a Snyder thing, not a DC thing, is that the previews for Suicide Squad already have exponentially more playfulness and fun, while still keeping the dark tone, than this entire movie. This is not a realistic movie, there are surreal dream sequences throughout the whole thing. Everyone is struggling, and brooding, and every time Superman has to go save someone, he grimaces and frowns, and most of the time he ignores Lois when she's talking to him, because he's so far into his pained thoughts. Alfred and Perry White are supposed to be the comic relief, I guess? but even their lines are more complaints than anything else. I think that overall it's still worth seeing, just to see how it all starts, but I think there are better decisions that could have been made behind the scenes. I know this was your main concern, but compared to everything else, Batfleck works well enough, and I'd still be really curious to see how he would do directing his own batman movie
2:42PM on 03/24/2016
Affleck looks perfect as Bruce Wayne/Batman.
Affleck looks perfect as Bruce Wayne/Batman.
5:24PM on 03/24/2016
Robkong, Nolan did have a say in this. He has monitored the progression of Justice League since the outset.
Robkong, Nolan did have a say in this. He has monitored the progression of Justice League since the outset.
5:51PM on 03/24/2016
Hmmm...I think you missed the one thing that most reviewers actually liked. Affleck as Batman. Since you aren't a fan of Snyder from the get go, I guess your zero faith won't change there. But, it does sound like Affleck was the right choice.
Hmmm...I think you missed the one thing that most reviewers actually liked. Affleck as Batman. Since you aren't a fan of Snyder from the get go, I guess your zero faith won't change there. But, it does sound like Affleck was the right choice.
6:24PM on 03/24/2016
Gibsoncr1 no he absolutely did not have any input. You are absolutely wrong. But why don't you go troll a little more, maybe people will be brainwashed into thinking you know what you're talking about
Gibsoncr1 no he absolutely did not have any input. You are absolutely wrong. But why don't you go troll a little more, maybe people will be brainwashed into thinking you know what you're talking about
6:31PM on 03/24/2016
Nolan was involved in "MoS". But, exited as Executive Producer for "BvS". He was supposed to oversee the path to "Justice League", but from what I read...He did not like Superman killing Zod, after he advised Snyder and Goyer that they not do that. He has said the door is not closed, but he isn't involved right now.
Nolan was involved in "MoS". But, exited as Executive Producer for "BvS". He was supposed to oversee the path to "Justice League", but from what I read...He did not like Superman killing Zod, after he advised Snyder and Goyer that they not do that. He has said the door is not closed, but he isn't involved right now.
6:15PM on 03/25/2016
Last time Robkong. Christopher Nolan was the executive producer of BvS. He has been involved from the beginning. Eat me. IMDB, and I saw his fucking name in the credits 30 mins ago when I watched it a second time. So, you geeky little shit, go eat a giant bag of 2 week old rotten dicks.
Last time Robkong. Christopher Nolan was the executive producer of BvS. He has been involved from the beginning. Eat me. IMDB, and I saw his fucking name in the credits 30 mins ago when I watched it a second time. So, you geeky little shit, go eat a giant bag of 2 week old rotten dicks.
7:08PM on 03/25/2016
@Gisbsoncr1 I understand why you are staying strong on this. But, let me tell you before RobKong pipes in with a nastier response. He is listed, as a courtesy. He had nothing to do with this movie.
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He didn't shut the door. But, it seems pretty clear, that he stepped aside.
@Gisbsoncr1 I understand why you are staying strong on this. But, let me tell you before RobKong pipes in with a nastier response. He is listed, as a courtesy. He had nothing to do with this movie.
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He didn't shut the door. But, it seems pretty clear, that he stepped aside.
7:49PM on 03/25/2016
Gibsoncr1 grow the hell up already. Why are you so angry now? I don't have anything else to add to what ucfro had to say, he's right. Nolan wanted nothing to do with MoS nor BvS once he knew Snyder was going make superman kill. End of story.. Sorry it hurts your feelings but really, you've got the mentality of 15 yr old so what can one expect?
Gibsoncr1 grow the hell up already. Why are you so angry now? I don't have anything else to add to what ucfro had to say, he's right. Nolan wanted nothing to do with MoS nor BvS once he knew Snyder was going make superman kill. End of story.. Sorry it hurts your feelings but really, you've got the mentality of 15 yr old so what can one expect?
9:26PM on 03/25/2016
Riiiiiight. I hear they give executive producer credits as a courtesy on $250 million dollar movies now. Seriously? Seriously? Warner Bros just name drops producer credits apparently. Snyder's style and vision are present, but if you truly think they released a movie that needs to clear a billion without Nolan's involvement or oversight AND snuck Nolan's name in there for shits and giggles, then I have a bridge to sell you. I've been attempting to post positives about this movie and I keep
Riiiiiight. I hear they give executive producer credits as a courtesy on $250 million dollar movies now. Seriously? Seriously? Warner Bros just name drops producer credits apparently. Snyder's style and vision are present, but if you truly think they released a movie that needs to clear a billion without Nolan's involvement or oversight AND snuck Nolan's name in there for shits and giggles, then I have a bridge to sell you. I've been attempting to post positives about this movie and I keep running into to douchey geeks everywhere that make points like my teenage son with no background data or resources to back it up. There's negative comments all over this site from idiots who haven't even seen the movie. Guys like you are the reason this movie is controversial; know nothing nerds all butt hurt that DC is finally getting in the game.
9:47PM on 03/25/2016
well...I was on your side. But, not now. If you won't take Christopher Nolan's word for it..then I guess you won't take anyone's.
"I love those guys and my brother was involved in Man of Steel with Zack [Snyder] and David [Goyer]. I kind of feel like that chapter for us is closed. To be continued somewhere farther down the line? Maybe."

That is an exact quote from Christopher Nolan a year ago. So...I guess your daily conversations with Mr. Nolan trump that article?
If you are going
well...I was on your side. But, not now. If you won't take Christopher Nolan's word for it..then I guess you won't take anyone's.
"I love those guys and my brother was involved in Man of Steel with Zack [Snyder] and David [Goyer]. I kind of feel like that chapter for us is closed. To be continued somewhere farther down the line? Maybe."

That is an exact quote from Christopher Nolan a year ago. So...I guess your daily conversations with Mr. Nolan trump that article?
If you are going to rip me...at least know how to rip me. I provided a link to an article, from an interview with Nolan. There's my background, and my source. It comes from the horse's mouth. How much input do you think Stan Lee puts into Marvel movies? Cause he gets an Executive Producer credit.
And I have actually seen the movie. And I enjoyed it. It has it's flaws, but it was fine with me. I don't have a certain side. I like Marvel and DC.
You are welcome to show me your source for his involvement in this movie. Something other than he is in the credits. I was trying to politely provided some information before you looked too stupid in the argument. Too late I guess.
12:03PM on 03/26/2016
I wasn't ripping you. More geekdom and certain commenter on this post. You are quoting an article from a year ago? So, let's say this movie was fantastic four bad, you think Nolan would appreciate his name dragged through the mud on this because somebody just typed his name on the credits? How about the opposite? What if this movie won a best picture Oscar? Nolan would receive an Oscar with the other producers because someone typed his name into the credits? You quoted an article from a year
I wasn't ripping you. More geekdom and certain commenter on this post. You are quoting an article from a year ago? So, let's say this movie was fantastic four bad, you think Nolan would appreciate his name dragged through the mud on this because somebody just typed his name on the credits? How about the opposite? What if this movie won a best picture Oscar? Nolan would receive an Oscar with the other producers because someone typed his name into the credits? You quoted an article from a year ago. You think Warner Bros golden boy was sitting at home all year (Interstellar was released forever ago) and twiddled his thumbs counting his millions? He's the reason Warner Bros have the $$$ for this movie in the first place. He quietly stepped back from this so that Snyder wouldn't be in his shadow and could bask in the glory of the success in the movie. Good leaders, good managers give credit; they don't take credit. You don't just put the most influential film maker of our time and just throw his name on a movie for shits and giggles. That's not how any project works. Especially if the movie tanked, he would go down with ship. Executive Producer credits are given for funding and oversight. A lot can happen in a year and this movie was in production for two years! That's an insane amount of time for a tent poll franchise starting movie. Avatar was the last one that took that long or longer.
In the last year, marketing has ramped up considerably. More and more cooks got in the kitchen. To think that Nolan had nothing to do with this based on an article from a year ago is not proof.
12:44PM on 03/26/2016
Seriously gibsoncr1, grow the fuck up already. Go back and read your temper tantrum here, you're a damn embarrassment! I'm sorry you don't know what you're talking about, but you don't. You can make up all the "what ifs" you want but it won't change the facts, get over it already! Nolan had nothing to do with this movie, it's a damn fact! Why are you so hell bent on saying (not proving) otherwise?
Seriously gibsoncr1, grow the fuck up already. Go back and read your temper tantrum here, you're a damn embarrassment! I'm sorry you don't know what you're talking about, but you don't. You can make up all the "what ifs" you want but it won't change the facts, get over it already! Nolan had nothing to do with this movie, it's a damn fact! Why are you so hell bent on saying (not proving) otherwise?
6:05PM on 03/26/2016
"Nolan wasn't entirely removed from the Batman v. Superman development, though, Roven said, explaining that the Inception director was "certainly involved in different stages. I would say he has an advisory capacity" and that he also was involved in the casting of Affleck as Batman." Hollywood Reporter. I can't believe you actual caused me to research. And, this is only what's printed. Who knows his full involvement behind the scenes. You are right though, I threw a bit of a fit earlier. I've
"Nolan wasn't entirely removed from the Batman v. Superman development, though, Roven said, explaining that the Inception director was "certainly involved in different stages. I would say he has an advisory capacity" and that he also was involved in the casting of Affleck as Batman." Hollywood Reporter. I can't believe you actual caused me to research. And, this is only what's printed. Who knows his full involvement behind the scenes. You are right though, I threw a bit of a fit earlier. I've been arguing with Marvel fan boys since Wednesday. It's like arguing Trump vs Sanders. There is no compromise. You seem like a Trump kind of kid. Kinda dim witted, easily swayed by rumor and media, young and naive, stubborn for no apparent reason...like a kid.
7:53PM on 03/26/2016
Your quote is from the same press junket, that my quote came from. So, calling my quote from too long
ago...is a bit hypocritical. But, beyond that..it all boils down to, who do you believe? The man himself, Chris Nolan...or a producer from "BvS"? I'll go with Nolan. If you want to go with Roven...that's cool.
But, as far as executive producer of a film...you never answered my question. What do you think Stan Lee contributes to Marvel movies? He is an EP in all of them.
Your quote is from the same press junket, that my quote came from. So, calling my quote from too long
ago...is a bit hypocritical. But, beyond that..it all boils down to, who do you believe? The man himself, Chris Nolan...or a producer from "BvS"? I'll go with Nolan. If you want to go with Roven...that's cool.
But, as far as executive producer of a film...you never answered my question. What do you think Stan Lee contributes to Marvel movies? He is an EP in all of them.
7:53PM on 03/26/2016
Your quote is from the same press junket, that my quote came from. So, calling my quote from too long
ago...is a bit hypocritical. But, beyond that..it all boils down to, who do you believe? The man himself, Chris Nolan...or a producer from "BvS"? I'll go with Nolan. If you want to go with Roven...that's cool.
But, as far as executive producer of a film...you never answered my question. What do you think Stan Lee contributes to Marvel movies? He is an EP in all of them.
Your quote is from the same press junket, that my quote came from. So, calling my quote from too long
ago...is a bit hypocritical. But, beyond that..it all boils down to, who do you believe? The man himself, Chris Nolan...or a producer from "BvS"? I'll go with Nolan. If you want to go with Roven...that's cool.
But, as far as executive producer of a film...you never answered my question. What do you think Stan Lee contributes to Marvel movies? He is an EP in all of them.
9:57PM on 03/26/2016
And he just carries on. Now I'm a kid, a trump supporter, naive, oh and stupid. You admit you lost your shit and yet I'm all of that? It's funny that you are also the guy that whined that this website should stop saying it didn't like a movie that you think is great by calling them the "Fox News" of movie sites. You insult people...and websites by calling them....republicans? What in the world does politics...oh why bother, you are obviously bat shit crazy! Please just go back to your fantasy
And he just carries on. Now I'm a kid, a trump supporter, naive, oh and stupid. You admit you lost your shit and yet I'm all of that? It's funny that you are also the guy that whined that this website should stop saying it didn't like a movie that you think is great by calling them the "Fox News" of movie sites. You insult people...and websites by calling them....republicans? What in the world does politics...oh why bother, you are obviously bat shit crazy! Please just go back to your fantasy world of made up shit, you're safer there. ucfro why are you bothering?
2:21PM on 03/24/2016
Glad to read that this review is more on the positive side. I'm excited as hell that this film will be big, heavy, and loud in terms of destruction and action. It's comic books two most iconic heroes going head to head against one another; I would expect nothing less.

Despite the negative reviews, this film looks absolutely gorgeous and visually stunning, epic, and huge in scope. Absolutely can't wait to see Affleck's grizzled portrayal going fist to fist with Cavill's Superman who's
Glad to read that this review is more on the positive side. I'm excited as hell that this film will be big, heavy, and loud in terms of destruction and action. It's comic books two most iconic heroes going head to head against one another; I would expect nothing less.

Despite the negative reviews, this film looks absolutely gorgeous and visually stunning, epic, and huge in scope. Absolutely can't wait to see Affleck's grizzled portrayal going fist to fist with Cavill's Superman who's character I'm excited to see expanded more on in the DCU (especially his Clark Kent persona) since we won't be getting a strait up sequel to Man of Steel anytime soon and since the first one we really saw more of Superman than Clark.
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2:15PM on 03/24/2016
I'm seeing it tonight so I will decide afterwards. Still looking forward to it and really hope it doesn't disappoint me.
I'm seeing it tonight so I will decide afterwards. Still looking forward to it and really hope it doesn't disappoint me.
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1:59PM on 03/24/2016
I'm glad that Bumbray liked it, but he regularly gives good scores to films I wind up heavily disappointed by (he gave Man of Steel a "9", Iron Man 3 an "8", and Spectre an"8"). I just don't think we have very similar standards for these sorts of movies, so, while it's nice to hear at least somebody say that the film isn't at total loss, this review doesn't exactly fill me with confidence.
I'm glad that Bumbray liked it, but he regularly gives good scores to films I wind up heavily disappointed by (he gave Man of Steel a "9", Iron Man 3 an "8", and Spectre an"8"). I just don't think we have very similar standards for these sorts of movies, so, while it's nice to hear at least somebody say that the film isn't at total loss, this review doesn't exactly fill me with confidence.
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9:43PM on 03/24/2016
I have not seen Spectre but I would say the other two scores are accurate with my scale. I thought Iron Man 3 was better than Winter Soldier actually.
I have not seen Spectre but I would say the other two scores are accurate with my scale. I thought Iron Man 3 was better than Winter Soldier actually.
1:54PM on 03/24/2016

Isn't it too soon for an Unpopular Opinions post on this?

No spoilers here, but I saw the movie on Tuesday and I'm still working through what I think. A lot of things didn't work for me. Some things really did, and it looked great and they made sure to get some great looking shots of batfleck and supes--and Wonder Woman. What didn't work for me was more the character motivations and the evil plots, and the fact that there are so many similarities to MoS even though it's trying to be different. I'm happy to discuss more spoilery points if anyone wants
No spoilers here, but I saw the movie on Tuesday and I'm still working through what I think. A lot of things didn't work for me. Some things really did, and it looked great and they made sure to get some great looking shots of batfleck and supes--and Wonder Woman. What didn't work for me was more the character motivations and the evil plots, and the fact that there are so many similarities to MoS even though it's trying to be different. I'm happy to discuss more spoilery points if anyone wants to comment below
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2:30PM on 03/24/2016
Lex could have been more fleshed out, but since I prepped before the movie by catching up on all DC lore in relation to this movie, I can see where it is all going, and it's BIG! No one has posted what a punch in the gut it was when Superman visited the Senator.
Lex could have been more fleshed out, but since I prepped before the movie by catching up on all DC lore in relation to this movie, I can see where it is all going, and it's BIG! No one has posted what a punch in the gut it was when Superman visited the Senator.
2:50PM on 03/24/2016
Thanks for the reply! Yeah there's a whole lot more to Lex/his family that we could have benefitted from learning. I agree that Capitol building scene was a big one, but I also wish that 1. they didn't have to resort to what happened and 2. they showed the consequences on a national level more. I feel like Snyder uses mass death as a way to try to make the viewer more invested, but doesn't focus on it in the most effective way. And as soon as I saw that Scoot McNairy was the guy in the
Thanks for the reply! Yeah there's a whole lot more to Lex/his family that we could have benefitted from learning. I agree that Capitol building scene was a big one, but I also wish that 1. they didn't have to resort to what happened and 2. they showed the consequences on a national level more. I feel like Snyder uses mass death as a way to try to make the viewer more invested, but doesn't focus on it in the most effective way. And as soon as I saw that Scoot McNairy was the guy in the wheelchair, I knew something bad was going to happen lol. That dude gets cast as the "down on his luck, woe is me, everything bad happens to me" kinda guy a lot haha. But he does it really well in Halt and Catch Fire on AMC
12:01AM on 03/25/2016
Lex is in contact with someone....as he said at the end of the film, and I think that added to his motivation.
Lex is in contact with someone....as he said at the end of the film, and I think that added to his motivation.
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1:43PM on 03/24/2016
Ill watch this film. But I still can't stand behind Batman's costume. Whats up with the fake padded muscles? And his neck is huge. If DC is going for the gritty and realism, why didn't they stick with something similar to Nolan's?
Ill watch this film. But I still can't stand behind Batman's costume. Whats up with the fake padded muscles? And his neck is huge. If DC is going for the gritty and realism, why didn't they stick with something similar to Nolan's?
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1:51PM on 03/24/2016
That might actually be Ben under the suit, he got massive for this movie, but I don't think the real realism of Nolans movie or suit would work in a world that has an all powerful alien and a demi god, I love the suit it has waaaay more the comic vibe (which is amazing as a reader but if your not I can see the complaint)
That might actually be Ben under the suit, he got massive for this movie, but I don't think the real realism of Nolans movie or suit would work in a world that has an all powerful alien and a demi god, I love the suit it has waaaay more the comic vibe (which is amazing as a reader but if your not I can see the complaint)
2:57PM on 03/24/2016
its MOSTLY Ben, but there is definitely some padding lol but then again...thats EVERY SUPER HERO EVER!!!
its MOSTLY Ben, but there is definitely some padding lol but then again...thats EVERY SUPER HERO EVER!!!
12:03AM on 03/25/2016
The suit has armor under it. Alfred is working on it in the Batcave at one point during the film.
The suit has armor under it. Alfred is working on it in the Batcave at one point during the film.
1:22PM on 03/24/2016
I haven't commented on JoBlo since the forums were taken down but the degree to which this flick blew has brought me back. Snyder was an awful choice for this flick. The only redeeming quality this movie has is that it really does look amazing. Unfortunately, beauty only briefly distracts you from the lack of substance (we've all learned that lesson). Goddamnit. I wanted to love this movie. I wanted to say Afleck was the tits. I wanted to say Cavil was no longer a robot devoid of AI. I wanted
I haven't commented on JoBlo since the forums were taken down but the degree to which this flick blew has brought me back. Snyder was an awful choice for this flick. The only redeeming quality this movie has is that it really does look amazing. Unfortunately, beauty only briefly distracts you from the lack of substance (we've all learned that lesson). Goddamnit. I wanted to love this movie. I wanted to say Afleck was the tits. I wanted to say Cavil was no longer a robot devoid of AI. I wanted to say Eisenberg nailed Luther. I get to say none of those things. This movie is an utter waste of time, and fuck does it make me sad.
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2:37PM on 03/24/2016
So, you didn't see the parallels with Watchmen? You didn't appreciate that these comic book personalities where existing in a real universe? To say this movie blew makes zero sense. Batman did his "bat thing" better than any iteration of his character has before. They pulled the origin of Cyborg right out of Justice League War. Everything on film was pulled from the source material. If you thought this movie blew, it sounds to me like you are a Marvel fanboy who wants his movies candy coated
So, you didn't see the parallels with Watchmen? You didn't appreciate that these comic book personalities where existing in a real universe? To say this movie blew makes zero sense. Batman did his "bat thing" better than any iteration of his character has before. They pulled the origin of Cyborg right out of Justice League War. Everything on film was pulled from the source material. If you thought this movie blew, it sounds to me like you are a Marvel fanboy who wants his movies candy coated and meaningless.
1:16PM on 03/24/2016

It's a bad as critics are saying it is.

Maybe the promised R-rated Blu Ray release will improve of some of the shortcomings of this mess, it's unlikely but we can only hope. Seriously though, save your money on this one.
Maybe the promised R-rated Blu Ray release will improve of some of the shortcomings of this mess, it's unlikely but we can only hope. Seriously though, save your money on this one.
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1:04PM on 03/24/2016

Objectivity.

Finally an objective Critic! Im really getting tired of people saying BVS has no humor to gritty blah blah you know complaints that make no sense since this is a DC movie not a MArvel funny movie! Seems some think their is only oen way to do a comic movie! Fans are 9 out 10 rating on BVS so who cares what the critics think they clearly thought this was suppose to be a MArvel movie. Wonder Woman kicks ass! BVS is suppose to be a serious movie so get over it and if that's your complaint than
Finally an objective Critic! Im really getting tired of people saying BVS has no humor to gritty blah blah you know complaints that make no sense since this is a DC movie not a MArvel funny movie! Seems some think their is only oen way to do a comic movie! Fans are 9 out 10 rating on BVS so who cares what the critics think they clearly thought this was suppose to be a MArvel movie. Wonder Woman kicks ass! BVS is suppose to be a serious movie so get over it and if that's your complaint than great work Synder
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12:58PM on 03/24/2016

Butthurt Fanboys

I have never seen so many butthurt fanboys comment online how all the reviews are biased, and the reviewers don't know about comics. How could anyone expect anything other than a messy shit show (with great visuals). I'm sure their are some beautiful parts of the movie, Snyder has an eye for making things look amazing, however he has a problem telling a story. I'm sure the movie is somewhat fun, but we all knew this rushed together DC universe would amount to shit. Take it as a fun chance to
I have never seen so many butthurt fanboys comment online how all the reviews are biased, and the reviewers don't know about comics. How could anyone expect anything other than a messy shit show (with great visuals). I'm sure their are some beautiful parts of the movie, Snyder has an eye for making things look amazing, however he has a problem telling a story. I'm sure the movie is somewhat fun, but we all knew this rushed together DC universe would amount to shit. Take it as a fun chance to see these characters on the big screen, but don't expect a good movie. It clearly is not.
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1:02PM on 03/24/2016
Disagree. Not only is this ambitious beyond anything that Marvel has done, I truly believe that this movie will be the Watchmen of our generation. This is real world building; not bubblegum wink' wink' stuff. In this universe, there are serious consequences for the actions of everyone involved. Snyder did a perfect job, and when these stories come together, you will see the scope of the narrative.
Disagree. Not only is this ambitious beyond anything that Marvel has done, I truly believe that this movie will be the Watchmen of our generation. This is real world building; not bubblegum wink' wink' stuff. In this universe, there are serious consequences for the actions of everyone involved. Snyder did a perfect job, and when these stories come together, you will see the scope of the narrative.
2:23PM on 03/24/2016
How dare you not be fooled by smoke and mirrors! How dare you value story over visuals! How dare you not be a fan of DC for nickleback fans! How very dare you! This is the epic of all epic epics! It's a masterpiece in filmmaking! The critics are all biased and you and your individual opinion and need for a real storyline have been swayed by them! Good day sir...I SAID GOOD DAY!
How dare you not be fooled by smoke and mirrors! How dare you value story over visuals! How dare you not be a fan of DC for nickleback fans! How very dare you! This is the epic of all epic epics! It's a masterpiece in filmmaking! The critics are all biased and you and your individual opinion and need for a real storyline have been swayed by them! Good day sir...I SAID GOOD DAY!
6:52PM on 03/24/2016
lol the guy with 'Wolf Creek' as his icon is angry & swearing... Chill out, nutter.
lol the guy with 'Wolf Creek' as his icon is angry & swearing... Chill out, nutter.
12:26PM on 03/24/2016
i fucking loved this movie. imo, my most interest in superman since the 80s. imo, the some shots are the best shots of batman ever put on film. imo, wonder woman was awesome. i loved that it is character driven, but not superhero character, but a real humanity factor in these heroes. i love its grim atmosphere. and most of all, its fucking batman and superman together, and batman is BOSS.

9/10
i fucking loved this movie. imo, my most interest in superman since the 80s. imo, the some shots are the best shots of batman ever put on film. imo, wonder woman was awesome. i loved that it is character driven, but not superhero character, but a real humanity factor in these heroes. i love its grim atmosphere. and most of all, its fucking batman and superman together, and batman is BOSS.

9/10
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12:50PM on 03/24/2016
Couldn't agree more. Our theater was screaming and cheering and ...crying. It was an amazing experience. I still can't believe I'm going to get to see these characters on screen in a real environment in my lifetime.
Couldn't agree more. Our theater was screaming and cheering and ...crying. It was an amazing experience. I still can't believe I'm going to get to see these characters on screen in a real environment in my lifetime.
12:12PM on 03/24/2016

You Guys are funny.

Yesterday - "We will wait for Bumbay's review, he'll know what to do!".
Going tonight to see this movie with low expectations. Maybe I will be pleasantly surprised, maybe it will be terrible. Maybe the Easter bunny will take a dump on my pillow, no one knows...
Yesterday - "We will wait for Bumbay's review, he'll know what to do!".
Going tonight to see this movie with low expectations. Maybe I will be pleasantly surprised, maybe it will be terrible. Maybe the Easter bunny will take a dump on my pillow, no one knows...
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1:04PM on 03/24/2016
Went to a screening yesterday and I had read the review before going in. I was very excited about this movie and felt so deflated going in. Then, the movie started. I haven't come down from the high yet. You can have high expectations. You will not be disappointed.
Went to a screening yesterday and I had read the review before going in. I was very excited about this movie and felt so deflated going in. Then, the movie started. I haven't come down from the high yet. You can have high expectations. You will not be disappointed.
12:03PM on 03/24/2016

Thank you Chris, but I still feel your score is low.

I saw this last night and posted in your other review. The world building and ambition of this movie is extraordinary! I find Superman awe inspiring. Cavill is playing this one like Dr. Manhattan; a bit detached but w/ a moral compass and a God among men. This movie will make you want to read up on DC due to the sheer ambition it has chosen to take on. This movie will go down as the best beginning to a meta human/comic book/sci-fi chronicles of all time (bad grammar sorry). My son and I were up
I saw this last night and posted in your other review. The world building and ambition of this movie is extraordinary! I find Superman awe inspiring. Cavill is playing this one like Dr. Manhattan; a bit detached but w/ a moral compass and a God among men. This movie will make you want to read up on DC due to the sheer ambition it has chosen to take on. This movie will go down as the best beginning to a meta human/comic book/sci-fi chronicles of all time (bad grammar sorry). My son and I were up all night writing positive reviews everywhere we could. We are taking a group with us to see it again tomorrow. Honestly, if you really want to go into this prepared, you must watch Flashpoint Paradox, Justice League War, The Dark Knight Returns, and All-Star Superman. They pulled the best pieces from them all to create this. I'm going to say this and it is decisive, but this is the Watchmen for our generation. This is a movie with very adult themes; not a bubblegum world of Marvel, but our world of gritty criminals, terrorists, and the Information Age. This movie is the closest we will ever come to seeing what our real world would look like inhabited by these characters. Amazing. Truly a great movie.
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1:10PM on 03/24/2016
7/10 is about as high as any self respecting critic is gonna go on this garbage flick, I'd suggest being happy with the generosity he's shown towards it.
7/10 is about as high as any self respecting critic is gonna go on this garbage flick, I'd suggest being happy with the generosity he's shown towards it.
2:42PM on 03/24/2016
Garbage? Seriously? There were 500 people cheering at the screen, yelling, and crying at the end. The teenagers I took to see this, wouldn't quit talking the entire way home and hours after. Calling this garbage...come on. That's just shortsided Marvel fanboy talk. Go watch Ironman not be alcoholic and Ultron speak like an 8th grader. I would rather see a grown up, realistic version of my mythology.
Garbage? Seriously? There were 500 people cheering at the screen, yelling, and crying at the end. The teenagers I took to see this, wouldn't quit talking the entire way home and hours after. Calling this garbage...come on. That's just shortsided Marvel fanboy talk. Go watch Ironman not be alcoholic and Ultron speak like an 8th grader. I would rather see a grown up, realistic version of my mythology.
4:07PM on 03/24/2016
Well all those cartoons were great. I also read the comics from which those cartoons were adapted and they were great. Since you are saying they pulled from those stories then it sounds like an amazing movie.
Also batman and superman are the two best heroes. And I own and operate a marvel google plus community and even I have to admit the greatness of superman and batman (who are my two fave characters)
Well all those cartoons were great. I also read the comics from which those cartoons were adapted and they were great. Since you are saying they pulled from those stories then it sounds like an amazing movie.
Also batman and superman are the two best heroes. And I own and operate a marvel google plus community and even I have to admit the greatness of superman and batman (who are my two fave characters)
12:09AM on 03/25/2016
You forgot the wink to Tower of Babel/Justice League Doom and Injustice Gods Among Us. Opps almost forgot the nod the Mask of the Phantasm, that was awesome!
You forgot the wink to Tower of Babel/Justice League Doom and Injustice Gods Among Us. Opps almost forgot the nod the Mask of the Phantasm, that was awesome!
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12:00PM on 03/24/2016

im waiting to get down voted like everyone else with a red bar

Comparing DC and Marvel seems to be the only thing people seem to do anymore. As a Marvel fan I was actually hoping BvS does good but I'd read many reviews dogging it. They all can't be wrong. But I still plan on checking this out cuz I'm a big boy and I'm curious just like many others about this film. Just not happy hearing Batman kills. And I liked "The Great White Hype"
Comparing DC and Marvel seems to be the only thing people seem to do anymore. As a Marvel fan I was actually hoping BvS does good but I'd read many reviews dogging it. They all can't be wrong. But I still plan on checking this out cuz I'm a big boy and I'm curious just like many others about this film. Just not happy hearing Batman kills. And I liked "The Great White Hype"
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12:10PM on 03/24/2016
Some of them have valid points, but it isn't a bad movie like the overall RT score makes it look like. It has many great moments and if you are willing to give it a chance I think there is a lot you can get out of it.
Some of them have valid points, but it isn't a bad movie like the overall RT score makes it look like. It has many great moments and if you are willing to give it a chance I think there is a lot you can get out of it.
12:58PM on 03/24/2016
This is the Batman from the Dark Knight Returns. He's been doing this for 20 years and he's sick of seeing criminals get off through the justice system. He's cynical and super pissed. If you fire a mini-gun at this guy, he's not going to, "Gee wiz, where's my batarang? I should drop you off at jail". Nope. Fire a mini-gun at Batman, and he won't put up with your crap, you signed your death warrant. This is the Dark Knight folks; not Adam West. As for Superman, he is an all powerful figure here
This is the Batman from the Dark Knight Returns. He's been doing this for 20 years and he's sick of seeing criminals get off through the justice system. He's cynical and super pissed. If you fire a mini-gun at this guy, he's not going to, "Gee wiz, where's my batarang? I should drop you off at jail". Nope. Fire a mini-gun at Batman, and he won't put up with your crap, you signed your death warrant. This is the Dark Knight folks; not Adam West. As for Superman, he is an all powerful figure here and he's struggling with humanity. He can't relate to us because we are destructive and trust me when I say that it is quite a shock when you see just how destructive we are. I loved this movie. I can't wait to see it again.
11:59AM on 03/24/2016
This is a review I can totally agree on!
It has it's flaws, but there is so much great stuff to make up for it, especially if you know the comics and DC's history. It has a lot to offer and is visually stunning. While not the greatest CBM of all time, I left the theatre satisfied!
And so far the reactions from people I know are mostly positive. I went to see it with a Marvel fan, two casual DC/Comic fans, and 3 Batman enthusiasts (male & female) and all enjoyed it very much. So despise the
This is a review I can totally agree on!
It has it's flaws, but there is so much great stuff to make up for it, especially if you know the comics and DC's history. It has a lot to offer and is visually stunning. While not the greatest CBM of all time, I left the theatre satisfied!
And so far the reactions from people I know are mostly positive. I went to see it with a Marvel fan, two casual DC/Comic fans, and 3 Batman enthusiasts (male & female) and all enjoyed it very much. So despise the negative reviews, I think chances are pretty good that people will enjoy it anyway.
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11:06AM on 03/24/2016
Bumbray always overrates hyped superhero movies. He just placates to fanboys, always has. I was expecting no less than 8/10 if this film sucked. 9/10 if it was mediocre. 10/10 is it was just good.
Bumbray always overrates hyped superhero movies. He just placates to fanboys, always has. I was expecting no less than 8/10 if this film sucked. 9/10 if it was mediocre. 10/10 is it was just good.
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12:21PM on 03/24/2016
Exactly! And look how the fanboy trolls that are so desperate for this to be good appear to down vote this. I mean it's just an accurate observation, any half wit who has been to this site more than once knows this to be true
Exactly! And look how the fanboy trolls that are so desperate for this to be good appear to down vote this. I mean it's just an accurate observation, any half wit who has been to this site more than once knows this to be true
1:08PM on 03/24/2016
While I do think he's sometimes too generous to movies that have a lot of hype surrounding them, I don't really see it as a bad thing. If he'd given this thing an 8/10, I would expect it to be at least good. 7/10 for a super-hero movie means you might love it or hate it.
While I do think he's sometimes too generous to movies that have a lot of hype surrounding them, I don't really see it as a bad thing. If he'd given this thing an 8/10, I would expect it to be at least good. 7/10 for a super-hero movie means you might love it or hate it.
10:53AM on 03/24/2016
This review is spot on. The movie itself has issues, but IMO the amount of "goods" far outweight the "bads". The best part of all is Ben Affleck as Bruce Wayne/Batman, he's perfect!
This review is spot on. The movie itself has issues, but IMO the amount of "goods" far outweight the "bads". The best part of all is Ben Affleck as Bruce Wayne/Batman, he's perfect!
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10:52AM on 03/24/2016

Everybody needs to chill

A lot is being made of the low RT rating. But I would caution anybody that RT is very up and down and inconsistent.
They gave Iron Man 2 a 72%. That movie is just not good.
They Gave the 3rd Xmen Movie a 58%
And though not a superhero movie, They gave The Great White Hype a 44%
So I am to understand that BvS is worse than The Great White Hype? That cannot be possible. Instead I would say that some people just don't like Synder ... and That's ok. I would also say that to some people, Marvel
A lot is being made of the low RT rating. But I would caution anybody that RT is very up and down and inconsistent.
They gave Iron Man 2 a 72%. That movie is just not good.
They Gave the 3rd Xmen Movie a 58%
And though not a superhero movie, They gave The Great White Hype a 44%
So I am to understand that BvS is worse than The Great White Hype? That cannot be possible. Instead I would say that some people just don't like Synder ... and That's ok. I would also say that to some people, Marvel can do no wrong. But let's be honest kids ... Iron Man 2 sucked, Iron Man 3 not good, Thor 2 Meh, Avengers-OK not great, Avengers 2 not good. They've made some great stuff, GOG, Iron Man 1, The Cap movies, Deadpool, but we all know some critics are just not that hard on Marvel and think their shit don't stink.

At the end of the day, we the moviegoers need to formulate our own opinions. Not by what we read, but by going to the theatre and watching the film for ourselves. If you don't like it after you saw it, say so. But to judge a movie by saying "I knew it would suck because of Snyder!" just isn't fair. Go see the movie and formulate your own opinion. Don't formulate an opinion based on social media.
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10:55AM on 03/24/2016
well said boomstick54
well said boomstick54
11:00AM on 03/24/2016
I'll also mention that RT gave Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull 78%. There cannot be one person on this site that agrees with that. That movie is AWFUL!
I'll also mention that RT gave Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull 78%. There cannot be one person on this site that agrees with that. That movie is AWFUL!
11:12AM on 03/24/2016
Hey I like the Great White Hype. Should be a 61%!
Hey I like the Great White Hype. Should be a 61%!
11:37AM on 03/24/2016
totally agree with you, boomstick54
totally agree with you, boomstick54
12:04PM on 03/24/2016
Thanks for that comment, boomstick54!
Thanks for that comment, boomstick54!
10:49AM on 03/24/2016
5 and 7 out of 10 so far. I haven't watched the movie yet but I trust Zack Snyder. He directed Watchmen which is very faithful to its source material (apart from the third act) and I personally think it is very hard to translate that into a movie but Snyder did it. He has a flair for visual storytelling. I hope Batman V Superman can be as entertaining as Watchmen.
5 and 7 out of 10 so far. I haven't watched the movie yet but I trust Zack Snyder. He directed Watchmen which is very faithful to its source material (apart from the third act) and I personally think it is very hard to translate that into a movie but Snyder did it. He has a flair for visual storytelling. I hope Batman V Superman can be as entertaining as Watchmen.
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10:39AM on 03/24/2016
This is the one & only review I've read for this film that feels genuine & uncompromised. Saw the film tonight, it has problems but there's just too much good stuff in it to write it off. It's a weird, ballsy film.
This is the one & only review I've read for this film that feels genuine & uncompromised. Saw the film tonight, it has problems but there's just too much good stuff in it to write it off. It's a weird, ballsy film.
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1:01PM on 03/24/2016
How or why would other opinions be compromised? You are saying this is the only only genuine review? Wow. Delusional to say the least. Just admit the movie isn't great. Who cares. Lots of movies we hope will be good suck. This is also one of them. GROW UP
How or why would other opinions be compromised? You are saying this is the only only genuine review? Wow. Delusional to say the least. Just admit the movie isn't great. Who cares. Lots of movies we hope will be good suck. This is also one of them. GROW UP
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10:37AM on 03/24/2016
Thank you for that completely objective and non spoilery review! Haters gonna hate, but I can't wait to see this tomorrow! There was no way this was going to please everyone, like MoS, you were either gonna hate it or love it. I loved MoS, I love what DC is doing, I hope they stay the course, if they do, they'll have my money every opening weekend!
Thank you for that completely objective and non spoilery review! Haters gonna hate, but I can't wait to see this tomorrow! There was no way this was going to please everyone, like MoS, you were either gonna hate it or love it. I loved MoS, I love what DC is doing, I hope they stay the course, if they do, they'll have my money every opening weekend!
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10:30AM on 03/24/2016
Wait, did you say Batman kills, as in Batman kills people? That should not happen.
Wait, did you say Batman kills, as in Batman kills people? That should not happen.
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10:41AM on 03/24/2016
It happened in Batman and Batman Returns, did you have a problem with it then? Because I don't remember hearing one single complaint. And I still don't hear it mentioned today.
It happened in Batman and Batman Returns, did you have a problem with it then? Because I don't remember hearing one single complaint. And I still don't hear it mentioned today.
10:56AM on 03/24/2016
Spot on LordMiz
Spot on LordMiz
11:17AM on 03/24/2016
Well since I was six years old at the time and didn't know much about the character then, so no I didn't complain.
Well since I was six years old at the time and didn't know much about the character then, so no I didn't complain.
11:18AM on 03/24/2016
Spot on.
Spot on.
12:14PM on 03/24/2016
sorry but the only person that is spot on here is Stevemoto. You wannabe fanboys just do NOT get it at all
sorry but the only person that is spot on here is Stevemoto. You wannabe fanboys just do NOT get it at all
1:09PM on 03/24/2016
This isn't nipple suit Batman. This is the Dark Knight. The Dark Knight is practically the Punisher.
This isn't nipple suit Batman. This is the Dark Knight. The Dark Knight is practically the Punisher.
2:10PM on 03/24/2016
No gibsoncr1 he is not. And by saying that you've shown why your opinion means fuck and all
No gibsoncr1 he is not. And by saying that you've shown why your opinion means fuck and all
6:19PM on 03/24/2016
Robkong, I said, "practically". The Dark Knight doesn't screw around anymore. In this, its been 20 years and he's grown cynical and jaded. By the end of the movie, he comes around. But seriously, your response is moronic and immature. I'm fairly certain if I were standing in front of you, you would act more civil.
Robkong, I said, "practically". The Dark Knight doesn't screw around anymore. In this, its been 20 years and he's grown cynical and jaded. By the end of the movie, he comes around. But seriously, your response is moronic and immature. I'm fairly certain if I were standing in front of you, you would act more civil.
6:43PM on 03/24/2016
You want to know what is moronic and immature? You trolling internet movie sites with your son telling everyone this is the Citizen Kane of superhero movies. Seriously grow up and except the fact that this movie is trash, you’re embarrassing yourself. I really don’t care if you saw the movie in a room full of cheering and crying teenagers, I just don’t, no one does. No matter what you say or think you know, I have been a DC fan all my life and this, this aint DC! The Batman is NOT the
You want to know what is moronic and immature? You trolling internet movie sites with your son telling everyone this is the Citizen Kane of superhero movies. Seriously grow up and except the fact that this movie is trash, you’re embarrassing yourself. I really don’t care if you saw the movie in a room full of cheering and crying teenagers, I just don’t, no one does. No matter what you say or think you know, I have been a DC fan all my life and this, this aint DC! The Batman is NOT the punisher, not even practically and to suggest otherwise shows you know nothing and will make excuses for this crap to no end. If you cared at all, hell if you know ANYTHING about those characters you’d know that and you wouldn’t accept what Zach Snyder has done. This is DC for nickleback fans, you a nickleback fan?
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10:27AM on 03/24/2016

Wait.

Did I just read the phrase "Batman Kills"?
Did I just read the phrase "Batman Kills"?
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12:12PM on 03/24/2016
And why does this get down voted?!? I read that myself stopped for a second and thought "wait what?!?"
And why does this get down voted?!? I read that myself stopped for a second and thought "wait what?!?"
10:25AM on 03/24/2016

YES!!!

Snyder is obviously not for everyone. To each his own. The thing I find most troubling about this whole ordeal is how many of you seem dead set on WANTING this film to fail. I really don't get it. Its not your cup of tea, fine. But to raise up the torches for a witch hunt in reaction to something 99% of you haven't experienced for yourself is just asinine. This is my humble opinion. Hope to see some of you this weekend for the show.
Snyder is obviously not for everyone. To each his own. The thing I find most troubling about this whole ordeal is how many of you seem dead set on WANTING this film to fail. I really don't get it. Its not your cup of tea, fine. But to raise up the torches for a witch hunt in reaction to something 99% of you haven't experienced for yourself is just asinine. This is my humble opinion. Hope to see some of you this weekend for the show.
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