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Roberto Orci dishes on Venom, the Sinister Six, and making the antihero appealing

Jan. 15, 2014by: Niki Stephens

The one thing that has to be heavy on your mind when it comes to THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 2 is the amount of villains along with the introduction of the Sinister Six. Not only that but Venom is finally getting his moment to go solo-- but how should we be feeling about that? Excited is one word though worry is always hanging. I can understand how it might be a great task to bring six villains to the big screen and another that fans hold in high regard.

What's the solution? How do you work around the problems that have plagued others? During an interview with IGN, producer on THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 2 Roberto Orci gives us a glimpse into where the collective is on the villains of the Marvel universe:

IGN: How do you approach a film like Sinister Six that is so villain-centric. Do you take an approach similar to Marvel's Thunderbolts, where it's a group of villains that are now - at least to some degree - "being good"?

Roberto Orci: That's the discussion we're having right now; how exactly do you do that, and how do you do it without betraying the audience and making them all mean? Drew Goddard [Cabin in the Woods] is going to be writing that one, so it's kind of his problem. [Laughs] I'm kidding. We're all working on each other's stuff. So we want to be true to it, but there are some antiheroes in this day and age. There's been examples of that even on TV -- Vic Mackey on The Shield, one of the great antiheroes of all time. There are ways to milk that story. Audiences have seen everything. They've seen all the good guys who never do anything wrong. Is there a story in seeing the other side? That's the challenge, and that's the fun. I'm not sure how we're going to do that yet.

IGN: It is really interesting, because this is perfect time for an antihero like this in a comic book movie, because audiences are so primed with Walter White, or Tony Soprano, or Vic Mackey...But the big question in terms of Venom is, do you think they're primed enough for an Eddie Brock? Or does it need to be Flash Thompson -complicated, but more heroic?

Orci: I think they're ready to have things shaken up. I think we've all seen everything. You've seen everything. You can probably predict the ending of most things even better than a general audience, but a general audience is still pretty good at it. They can see it all coming. So we have to shake it up. You can't just keep telling the same stories every day.

IGN: When we're looking at the trailers for something like Spider-Man 2, there's certainly a lot of villains. It looks like Oscorp may be the central fulcrum that all of these villains are spinning out from. Is that a technique you guys are using to unify this world and make it more cohesive?

Orci: Yeah. Oscorp plays an important part in how our villains get created, obviously, in the first one. So because Peter becoming Spider-Man came out of that, rather than saying, "And then this alien came from space," or whatever, they're doing human-hybrid, weird stuff at Oscorp. That's where Gwen Stacy works anyway as well. So the idea of it representing the good and the bad of science, that it can do great things, but it can also mess you up and do weird things and transform people -- as all science can be used for good or bad. So it's nice to have that organizing principal, but it wasn't like, "We must keep it at Oscorp." It flowed naturally from the story development.

While this all does sound slightly reassuring, we won't know if everything is copasetic until the events unfold on the big screen. Until then-- and I'll put it as a friend did a few days ago-- consider me "cautiously optimistic".

Source: IGN

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10:44PM on 01/15/2014
I don't like the idea of having all of the villains originating from Oscorp. Kind of takes away the thrill of each characters origins.

In the original trilogy, that was one of the best parts. Seeing each character turn into every villain they were destined to be, but the how and why is what made it really great and exciting to watch.
I don't like the idea of having all of the villains originating from Oscorp. Kind of takes away the thrill of each characters origins.

In the original trilogy, that was one of the best parts. Seeing each character turn into every villain they were destined to be, but the how and why is what made it really great and exciting to watch.
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10:49PM on 01/15/2014
It seems they're mining from Ultimate Spider-man for the most part with what they're going for, so unfortunately it looks like Oscorp will be it for villain origins. And I'm not a fan of Venom's Ultimate Spider-man origins.
It seems they're mining from Ultimate Spider-man for the most part with what they're going for, so unfortunately it looks like Oscorp will be it for villain origins. And I'm not a fan of Venom's Ultimate Spider-man origins.
10:51PM on 01/15/2014
I meant to "thumbs up" your post, but I fat fingered my droid screen.
I meant to "thumbs up" your post, but I fat fingered my droid screen.
12:43AM on 01/16/2014
No worries.
No worries.
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1:00AM on 01/16/2014
Maybe its me, but this interview told me nothing.
Maybe its me, but this interview told me nothing.
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10:33AM on 01/16/2014
Goddard had nothing to do with Cabin Fever. He wrote and directed Cabin in the Woods.
Goddard had nothing to do with Cabin Fever. He wrote and directed Cabin in the Woods.
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9:13AM on 01/16/2014
I'm sorry but Venom should be and alien symbiote from space not a lab experiment that's f****** retarded and every villain coming from the same place is lazy and stupid
I'm sorry but Venom should be and alien symbiote from space not a lab experiment that's f****** retarded and every villain coming from the same place is lazy and stupid
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9:15AM on 01/16/2014
Sorry about the bad grammar.
I can't edit from my cell, for some reason.
Sorry about the bad grammar.
I can't edit from my cell, for some reason.
10:49AM on 01/16/2014
Don't X-Men villains all come from the same place?
Don't X-Men villains all come from the same place?
1:51PM on 01/16/2014
Didn't Venom come from an alien vending machine in the original Secret Wars?
Didn't Venom come from an alien vending machine in the original Secret Wars?
2:05AM on 01/16/2014
Good luck.

You will need it.
Good luck.

You will need it.
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11:40PM on 01/15/2014

sinister six VS spider-man VS venom

so you make Venom super powerful. so powerful that all of the other villains decide he's a threat and band together to take him out. this is the sinister six movie where they are the protagonists. in the end, they successfully disassociate the symbiote from eddie brock and return their attention to spider-man. in the next movie, spider-man has to team up with a reformed venom to take out the sinister six.
so you make Venom super powerful. so powerful that all of the other villains decide he's a threat and band together to take him out. this is the sinister six movie where they are the protagonists. in the end, they successfully disassociate the symbiote from eddie brock and return their attention to spider-man. in the next movie, spider-man has to team up with a reformed venom to take out the sinister six.
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10:49PM on 01/15/2014
This starts to sound like the plot from The Amazing Spider-Man video game when the first movie was released. The plot sounds very similar to one another.
This starts to sound like the plot from The Amazing Spider-Man video game when the first movie was released. The plot sounds very similar to one another.
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6:19PM on 01/16/2014
You watch, the Sinister Six movie will become like DC Comics title Suicide Squad with the villains forced to go on a mission for the government.
I can't see Venom really working as a solo film till he is at least re-introduced in a Spidey film.
You watch, the Sinister Six movie will become like DC Comics title Suicide Squad with the villains forced to go on a mission for the government.
I can't see Venom really working as a solo film till he is at least re-introduced in a Spidey film.
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10:15AM on 01/16/2014
Interesting. But what Orci and Kurtzman should both be working on right now is bringing Jack of All Trades back.
Interesting. But what Orci and Kurtzman should both be working on right now is bringing Jack of All Trades back.
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8:43AM on 01/16/2014
One way to do the villain as enjoyable antagonist is to make their power something they don't necessarily want and might be trying to get rid of (not unlike Hulk) - you give the character a duality and see some vestige of their humanity struggling to stay in control - you could probably tell that sort of story with Venom, or a much darker take on it with Carnage. Go the A-Team route and have a sinister government or police force trying to take down the 'villain' and it's quite possible to
One way to do the villain as enjoyable antagonist is to make their power something they don't necessarily want and might be trying to get rid of (not unlike Hulk) - you give the character a duality and see some vestige of their humanity struggling to stay in control - you could probably tell that sort of story with Venom, or a much darker take on it with Carnage. Go the A-Team route and have a sinister government or police force trying to take down the 'villain' and it's quite possible to string out a series where people will root for the 'bad guy'.
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10:54AM on 01/16/2014

I can't decide...

...if I like Orci and Kurtzman or not. Blame Bay all you want but they wrote the first 2 Transformers films so part of the lacking story is on them and although Transformers: Prime was entertaining, it was heavily modified from the original mythos. The same applies for Star Trek and Amazing Spider-man; they were fun but they were different. I am not saying that is bad though because different can be good however I have not agreed with all of their changes. Venom is my favorite Marvel character
...if I like Orci and Kurtzman or not. Blame Bay all you want but they wrote the first 2 Transformers films so part of the lacking story is on them and although Transformers: Prime was entertaining, it was heavily modified from the original mythos. The same applies for Star Trek and Amazing Spider-man; they were fun but they were different. I am not saying that is bad though because different can be good however I have not agreed with all of their changes. Venom is my favorite Marvel character so as Ms. Stephens states above, I am cautiously optimistic about a solo movie yet extremely excited at the same time to see a new rendition of the character. For me, change is alright if they are good changes or at least exciting ones.
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10:13AM on 01/16/2014
The best or rather most simplistic explanation I've come across outside of Spider-Man finding the symbiote on another planet (or dimension - sorry, never read Secret Wars so don't know where that actually took place), is it just shows up from outer space - as per Spider-Man the animated series and Spectacular Spider-Man animated series (and the horrible third Raimi film that didnt do it as well). The background can always be explored in later movies. That said, there's no harm in having it
The best or rather most simplistic explanation I've come across outside of Spider-Man finding the symbiote on another planet (or dimension - sorry, never read Secret Wars so don't know where that actually took place), is it just shows up from outer space - as per Spider-Man the animated series and Spectacular Spider-Man animated series (and the horrible third Raimi film that didnt do it as well). The background can always be explored in later movies. That said, there's no harm in having it being created in Oscorp - think that's how the lame Ultimate Spider-Man animated series did it - Doc Oc used Parker's blood to create it. Its not lazy to have Oscorp be central to most of the super powered villians that show up afterall, thats what a certain section of the company is focusing on creating. Personally, I prefer the source of super powered beings to come from one place than from all over just seem more logical. In any case, Orci's right, we've "seen everything" - no harm in changing things - so long as it's not the kind of change Iron Man 3 went with in the end.
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