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Rumored Suicide Squad deleted scenes hint at more Joker & an R-rated cut

08.08.2016

*WARNING! DANGER! SPOILERS AHEAD*

Okay, given how SUICIDE SQUAD has come out I think we should all be big enough to admit that the film will, like BATMAN VS. SUPERMAN, go down as being received with so-so reception.  The critics on the whole hated it, and fan consensus has been pretty “good-not-great” so far. What a lot people seem to agree on is that the film seemed disjointed and poorly cut together, among many other things. Although director David Ayer has come out and defended the movie, many are hoping that an R-rated, extended cut would be brought to light.

Well, if these rumors from a Reddit user (via Collider) are true, then not only are there a bunch of deleted scenes, but if included on the film’s Blu-ray release, could completely change the outlook of the film by disappointed viewers.

The list of scenes hints at much more screen time for basically every character in the movie, including everyone from Slipknot (Adam Beach) to Rick Flag (Joel Kinnaman). The reasons for cutting these scenes are most likely time and rating related, as much of them probably would’ve pushed the movie into R-rated territory.

Here’s a description of the scenes below!

  • “In early cuts, the movie’s opening detailed June Moon’s possession by Enchantress in real time. Reshoots reshuffled the scene to be later in the movie in flashback form in favour of a new opening centered on Deadshot.”
  • “Deadshot in the prison cell, watching the rain fall and thinking about his daughter.”
  • “El Diablo observing the flame of a lit match, before putting it out due to his vow to no longer use his powers.”
  • “El Diablo being escorted to a training center by being placed in a tube that fills with water to quell his flames, and then unceremoniously dropped onto the ground.”
  • “Early interviews showed Captain Boomerang’s racism and sexism, but the movie is light on examples of such behavior, which have apparently been deleted. Most of them were reportedly directed at Katana, to whom Boomerang is attracted to.”
  • “Early reports indicated more backstory for Killer Croc, revealing that he entire life as a social outcast due to his physical appearance and has convinced himself that he is beautiful in his own way. Croc crossed paths with Batman while working as muscle-for-hire for numerous Gotham’s crime bosses, while secretly planning to take over one day. There were also scenes displaying his affinity for making sculptures out of discarded materials. Aside from jokes about Croc viewing himself as ‘beautiful,’ one of these were retained in the final cut.”
  • “Also deleted was a scene where he becomes sick at the helicopter escort to Midway City, throws up half-digested pieces of goat, and then eats them again, disgusting the nearby Navy Seals.”
  • “Early cuts reportedly included a passing reference to Slipknot being serial rapist, likely to further paint him as unsympathetic to the audience ahead of his own death.”
  • “More scenes of Rick Flag and June Moon’s romantic relationship, including him reading the files of the Suicide Squad recruits after Waller delivers them to him.”
  • “Another scene where Flag and Moon are out on a date.”
  • “Extended scene of Joker interrogating Captain Griggs, including the line, “I can’t wait to show you my toys,” which was in every trailer, but was removed from the movie.”
  • “Joker and his men escaping after shooting up a restaurant. Harley, who is already affiliated with the Joker, follows them on a motorcycle and intercepts their car. Joker bangs his head against the glass in frustration.”
  • “Joker and Harley then get into a fight, which ends with Harley pointing a gun at Joker’s head. Joker sweet-talks Harley into lowering the gun, charming her, then backhands her across the face. Afterwards he sweet-talks her again and they kiss.”
  • “Extended Ace Chemicals scene where Harley jumps into the chemicals. More bits of dialogue from Joker.”
  • “Extended Batmobile chase scene with more interaction between Joker and Harley. One of the examples, presented in all the trailers, is the Joker punching the roof of his car.”
  • “Harley using her baseball bat as a mock gun to play shoot at invisible foes.”
  • “Extended scene of Joker breaking into the nanobomb manufacture facility to arrange for Harley’s neck-bomb to be disabled.”
  • “More interactions between Harley and Boomerang. Early cuts apparently included her really disliking him despite growing affectionate to all the other members of the squad.”
  • “Extended bar scene with Harley taking everyone’s orders. Deadshot calls for a shot, Katana wants whiskey, Croc and Boomerang settle for beer, Harley asks Diablo wants and he prefers water which she jokes, “is a good idea.” The scene was featured in the trailers, but in the movie it cuts directly to Deadshot’s speech about them all almost pulling the mission off.”
  • “Removed several scenes with the Joker to repaint his relationship with Harley as more loving rather than abusive.”
  • “Joker and Harley get into an argument after he rescues her in the hijacked helicopter. In early cuts he reportedly pushes her out to kill her, then the helicopter gets shot down. This was apparently reworked into the helicopter getting shot down first and Joker pushing her out to save her.”
  • “Joker returns during the final battle in the subway station, face half-burnt from the helicopter crash, which apparently leads to a brief altercation with the Squad. He calls for Harley to escape with him but she refuses for once in order to help her friends, and the Joker escapes after throwing a live grenade at the group to cover his own escape.”

Meanwhile, David Ayer spoke to Collider in a seperate interview about the theatrical version being his cut of the movie, saying there was not some "parallel verison of the movie":

We have a chunk, there’s definitely over 10 minutes of material on there. But this cut of the movie is my cut, there’s no sort of parallel universe version of the movie, the released movie is my cut. And that’s one of the toughest things about writing, shooting, and directing a film, is you end up with these orphans and you fucking love them and you think they’d be amazing scenes and do these amazing things but the film is a dictatorship (laughs), not a democracy, and just because something’s cool and charismatic doesn’t mean it gets to survive in the final cut. The flow of the movie is the highest master.”

Though the last scene in the list corresponds with the above image, these are just rumored scenes and there’s no accompanying news that, if true, these would be put into an extended cut, but they’re sure fun to read. Well, some of them are. Some, like the scene that hints at Slipknot being a serial rapist, can probably stay on the cutting floor. But, hey, if they aren't real, bravo to the guy who came up with them all. That's some serious dedication and time-management skills.

Either way, I am not a part of the party that thinks just making something longer makes it better. The only series to truly have a definitive, extended cut is LORD OF THE RINGS, and most movies’ extended cuts only slightly improve on their original if at all. But though I doubt these above scenes will actually be made into an extended cut, I do think watching them as deleted scenes on a Blu-ray would be fun. Some holes—like where one person was during this point and this one during this point—would be filled, but who’s to say the movie would still flow better? I guess only time will tell whether we will see these scenes or not. At least we have WONDER WOMAN to look forward to in that time. Pray to whatever god you believe in that one isn’t strike three.

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11:47PM on 08/08/2016

Strike 3?

Seriously ... This was a fun movie... manic and explosive and exactly what i expected it to be. And most people I know that have saw it had a blast... seems to be mostly critics that don't get it. Note the 135 million opening weekend lol... but again... DC gets bashed, and borderline by the numbers Marvel films get praised. Really like how I have read two articles about DC today and both have point to how poorly suicide squad was received... BY WHO _ YOU GUYS>.. the audience seems to be having
Seriously ... This was a fun movie... manic and explosive and exactly what i expected it to be. And most people I know that have saw it had a blast... seems to be mostly critics that don't get it. Note the 135 million opening weekend lol... but again... DC gets bashed, and borderline by the numbers Marvel films get praised. Really like how I have read two articles about DC today and both have point to how poorly suicide squad was received... BY WHO _ YOU GUYS>.. the audience seems to be having a blast.
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7:46PM on 08/08/2016

Movie was fine

Movie was fine as is Can't wait to get on 4k Bluray.
Movie was fine as is Can't wait to get on 4k Bluray.
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5:27PM on 08/08/2016
I enjoyed the film, didn't see what everyone issues with the film were... that being said...

I really want to see this cut! The film was short, so i don't see why they couldn't have left all this in and been 10 minutes longer. It would have appeased all the people that came to see the joker (even though its about SS), and more back story on Diablo, and Croc would have been refreshing! Plus i would have really enjoyed the twisted relationship between harley and Joker. More abusive
I enjoyed the film, didn't see what everyone issues with the film were... that being said...

I really want to see this cut! The film was short, so i don't see why they couldn't have left all this in and been 10 minutes longer. It would have appeased all the people that came to see the joker (even though its about SS), and more back story on Diablo, and Croc would have been refreshing! Plus i would have really enjoyed the twisted relationship between harley and Joker. More abusive love towards Harley like the cuts above stated.
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3:08PM on 08/08/2016

why so serious?.....

the whole damn reason we all went to see suicide squad is jared letto as the joker. unless I'm mistaken nobody really would've cared 2 shits if they didn't have the joker. i don't read comics but follow the genre a little bit and have never heard of any of these characters but harley quinn. so i'm totally fine with extra scenes or an extended r rated cut of more joker.
the whole damn reason we all went to see suicide squad is jared letto as the joker. unless I'm mistaken nobody really would've cared 2 shits if they didn't have the joker. i don't read comics but follow the genre a little bit and have never heard of any of these characters but harley quinn. so i'm totally fine with extra scenes or an extended r rated cut of more joker.
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2:05PM on 08/08/2016

IDC

The movie was bad ass anyways. But I do hope these deleted scenes are made into the movie.
The movie was bad ass anyways. But I do hope these deleted scenes are made into the movie.
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1:12PM on 08/08/2016
im getting a bit tired of these - extended cuts etc. or different versions etc.
release the movie you want to release and be done with it. basically i should NEVER go to the theatre to watch a movie. Because it will be the shit version. i should just wait for bluray every time right?
im getting a bit tired of these - extended cuts etc. or different versions etc.
release the movie you want to release and be done with it. basically i should NEVER go to the theatre to watch a movie. Because it will be the shit version. i should just wait for bluray every time right?
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1:07PM on 08/08/2016
I don't think Ayer's all that talented as a director but I respect him for just saying "this is my cut," not dragging the studio in even if they were part of the problem
I don't think Ayer's all that talented as a director but I respect him for just saying "this is my cut," not dragging the studio in even if they were part of the problem
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1:32PM on 08/08/2016
I agree. He's falling on his own sword while WB shanks him BvS prison yard style.
I agree. He's falling on his own sword while WB shanks him BvS prison yard style.
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1:01PM on 08/08/2016
I really hope this is true, I was pretty disappointed with the film and wish they had included these scenes rather than some of the generic action bits (hence the down vote), it sounds like it would have gone a long way in developing the characters and especially helped in making Joker feel like "Joker"and not just a love sick puppy.

I will agree with Rooney that " most moviesí extended cuts only slightly improve on their original if at all." I've seen the directors cuts to sooooooooo many
I really hope this is true, I was pretty disappointed with the film and wish they had included these scenes rather than some of the generic action bits (hence the down vote), it sounds like it would have gone a long way in developing the characters and especially helped in making Joker feel like "Joker"and not just a love sick puppy.

I will agree with Rooney that " most moviesí extended cuts only slightly improve on their original if at all." I've seen the directors cuts to sooooooooo many films because friends and colleagues swore it was "so much better" than the original and I can probably count on one hand the number of times that was actually true: three of those were the LotR films, one of them was Blade Runner.
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1:11PM on 08/08/2016
Kingdom of Heaven, and Daredevil were director cuts that made the film so much more superior.
Kingdom of Heaven, and Daredevil were director cuts that made the film so much more superior.
1:34PM on 08/08/2016
@The_Soloist - Couldn't agree more with Daredevil. Watchmen is another example.
@The_Soloist - Couldn't agree more with Daredevil. Watchmen is another example.
4:41PM on 08/08/2016
I agree. Watchmen is another great example.
I agree. Watchmen is another great example.
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11:44AM on 08/08/2016
Didn't read this article as I haven't seen SS yet but I think the "R cut DVD" thing is such a gimmick. Movies should be an art form, and I get that they're expensive but this whole thing has become a race to please everyone and get every type of living person to watch your movie multiple times. "Make a PG-13 theater version so we can maximize $$$ but make an R-rated DVD so that everyone will want to watch it again to see the differences." Good God these studios are money hungrier than ever
Didn't read this article as I haven't seen SS yet but I think the "R cut DVD" thing is such a gimmick. Movies should be an art form, and I get that they're expensive but this whole thing has become a race to please everyone and get every type of living person to watch your movie multiple times. "Make a PG-13 theater version so we can maximize $$$ but make an R-rated DVD so that everyone will want to watch it again to see the differences." Good God these studios are money hungrier than ever before.
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11:12AM on 08/08/2016
This movie was a massive let down. Hilarious that so many people are so angry about the poor reception. Were you guys angry when green lantern, amazing spider man 2, xmen 3, the two ghost rider movies, or catwoman, received shitty reviews? Good god. I understand enjoying this film but get over yourselves - this movie is a train wreck.
This movie was a massive let down. Hilarious that so many people are so angry about the poor reception. Were you guys angry when green lantern, amazing spider man 2, xmen 3, the two ghost rider movies, or catwoman, received shitty reviews? Good god. I understand enjoying this film but get over yourselves - this movie is a train wreck.
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11:20AM on 08/08/2016
Truer things have never been said!
Truer things have never been said!
11:54AM on 08/08/2016
Did you expect Amazing Spider Man 2 or Catwoman to be even good in the first place???
Did you expect Amazing Spider Man 2 or Catwoman to be even good in the first place???
9:00PM on 08/08/2016
That's not really comparable. I have never heard anyone say they liked "Catwoman" either "Ghost Rider" or "Green Lantern".. And the other 2 movies had Rotten Tomato scores of over 50%.
Comparing this to "Catwoman"? C'mon.
That's not really comparable. I have never heard anyone say they liked "Catwoman" either "Ghost Rider" or "Green Lantern".. And the other 2 movies had Rotten Tomato scores of over 50%.
Comparing this to "Catwoman"? C'mon.
11:54PM on 08/08/2016
You people missed the damn point entirely
You people missed the damn point entirely
10:33AM on 08/08/2016

I'm amazed they cut all of this

My problem with what they did with the Joker is they attempted to humanize him. It sounds like from the Joker throwing Harley out of the helicopter in an attempt to kill her or confronting the Squad at the end would have made his brief time on screen more memorable.
My problem with what they did with the Joker is they attempted to humanize him. It sounds like from the Joker throwing Harley out of the helicopter in an attempt to kill her or confronting the Squad at the end would have made his brief time on screen more memorable.
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10:18AM on 08/08/2016
I hope that these scenes are all transitioned back into the film as a director's cut then watching them all individually on the deleted scenes section.
I hope that these scenes are all transitioned back into the film as a director's cut then watching them all individually on the deleted scenes section.
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9:33AM on 08/08/2016

Down like a clown

I'd be super excited to hear there would be an R rated 'ultimate cut' for Blu Ray release. It'd make sense in this case, and could be the trend with DC releases moving forward
I'd be super excited to hear there would be an R rated 'ultimate cut' for Blu Ray release. It'd make sense in this case, and could be the trend with DC releases moving forward
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8:52AM on 08/08/2016
Aren't you the same guy who wrote the arrival about how Suicide Squad is financially fucked because it probably won't open in China? Newsflash: Fans don't think this movie was "strike two". Check your own website. The overwhelming majority of people who bothered to comment like the movie.
Aren't you the same guy who wrote the arrival about how Suicide Squad is financially fucked because it probably won't open in China? Newsflash: Fans don't think this movie was "strike two". Check your own website. The overwhelming majority of people who bothered to comment like the movie.
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11:10AM on 08/08/2016
Wait so we now can judge whether a movie was liked by the "majority" strictly by how many positive comments it gets on this very site? Ha! Did you ever stop to think that the people that disliked/hated this movie chose not to comment because the DC loonies troll and insult them incessantly? Look at the Rotten Tomatoes debacle, thats just sad, ignorant, crazy shit right there. This is a garbage movie with a garbage Joker (unless maybe, just maybe, all of those scenes above are included in the
Wait so we now can judge whether a movie was liked by the "majority" strictly by how many positive comments it gets on this very site? Ha! Did you ever stop to think that the people that disliked/hated this movie chose not to comment because the DC loonies troll and insult them incessantly? Look at the Rotten Tomatoes debacle, thats just sad, ignorant, crazy shit right there. This is a garbage movie with a garbage Joker (unless maybe, just maybe, all of those scenes above are included in the extended cash grab version), but some of us can't be bothered to state the obvious because we don't want to deal with all the childish BS from generation me
8:00AM on 08/08/2016
Isn't there supposed to be 2 cuts of this movie - one that Ayers intended it to be and one that the studio executives and test audiences like? If that's the case, they better release an Extended Cut or Director's Cut of this movie.
Isn't there supposed to be 2 cuts of this movie - one that Ayers intended it to be and one that the studio executives and test audiences like? If that's the case, they better release an Extended Cut or Director's Cut of this movie.
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7:54AM on 08/08/2016
Dear WB...Please release the director's cut on bluray and then proceed in knocking this shit off. Fucking exhausting.
Dear WB...Please release the director's cut on bluray and then proceed in knocking this shit off. Fucking exhausting.
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9:13AM on 08/08/2016
Well, according to Ayer, what was released is his (director's) cut of the movie. There might be some quality scenes that help tie the movie together better, but I think Ayer is to blame for the final product not WB.
Well, according to Ayer, what was released is his (director's) cut of the movie. There might be some quality scenes that help tie the movie together better, but I think Ayer is to blame for the final product not WB.
10:37AM on 08/08/2016
Bottom line is WB has final say with what is delivered to theaters. Given the reports spewing from just about everywhere about "dueling" cuts for test groups and Leto acknowledging that 3/4 of his performance is on cutting room floor, I HIGHLY doubt what was released is what Ayer wrote, shot, and initially cut...regardless of what he said while pre-critical promoting. But what do I know. Should be interesting (or all out scary) how this continues to unfold.
Bottom line is WB has final say with what is delivered to theaters. Given the reports spewing from just about everywhere about "dueling" cuts for test groups and Leto acknowledging that 3/4 of his performance is on cutting room floor, I HIGHLY doubt what was released is what Ayer wrote, shot, and initially cut...regardless of what he said while pre-critical promoting. But what do I know. Should be interesting (or all out scary) how this continues to unfold.
11:17AM on 08/08/2016
Totally agree! The thing that makes the least sense in doing this is that they are literally cutting the story out. I can see the violence or a side story that isn't integral to a huge character like saaaay the Joker, but when you're cutting chucks that are integral to the cohesion of the story, that's just idiotic! When you change the Jokers intentions when pushing HQ out of the helicopter you ruin the character completely, you've given him a heart under his stupid tattoos and gold chains and
Totally agree! The thing that makes the least sense in doing this is that they are literally cutting the story out. I can see the violence or a side story that isn't integral to a huge character like saaaay the Joker, but when you're cutting chucks that are integral to the cohesion of the story, that's just idiotic! When you change the Jokers intentions when pushing HQ out of the helicopter you ruin the character completely, you've given him a heart under his stupid tattoos and gold chains and that's just wrong
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