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Ryan Gosling and Michelle Williams' Blue Valentine slapped with an NC-17

Oct. 8, 2010by: Paul Tassi

NC-17 is a rating we often forget exists, and only usually comes up when Kevin Smith tries to get a new movie made, but this time, the MPAA has doled it out for a more serious project.

BLUE VALENTINE stars Ryan Gosling and Michelle Williams whose relationship slowly corrodes. The performances for both actors have been getting hints of Oscar buzz, but the MPAA's recent ruling could make the film much harder to see, or at least make it trim some of it's more noteworthy parts, namely one sex scene between Gosling and Williams.

Our own Chris Bumbray got the chance to see the film recently, and like many others he's perplexed at this verdict. Here's what he had to say about the scene that's likely being questioned.

"I saw BLUE VALENTINE at Sundance in January. This getting an NC-17 is mind-boggling in it's stupidity. I imagine it's for a brief, uncomfortable sex scene in the middle of the film- one which includes VERY little nudity, but is realistically done. For some reason, the MPAA are real sticklers when it comes to sex, ESPECIALLY when sex is portrayed seriously, or- god forbid, realistically."

When asked how it compared to say, MACGRUBER's recent pretty over the top sex scene, he elaborates:

"Ah, but you see- MACGRUBER did it in a comical way. They hate it when sex is portrayed realistically. The real reason it's NC-17 is because Gosling goes down on Williams, and the MPAA hates cunnilingus being portrayed. Blowjobs- no problem. Weird double standard- VERY sexist."

The MPAA making a nonsensical ruling? Get out of town! But seriously, the body is notorious for hating all things sex related, as this movie could have been full of gruesome torture scenes and exploding bodies and would have landed an R. But a guy going down a chick? SOUND THE ALARMS!

The decision will likely be appealed, but the scene in question will probably just end up being trimmed to save a lot of headaches.

Do you think the MPAA is a useful body?

Extra Tidbit: Another confounding issue with them is language, where a few f-bombs create scenarios like ONCE and HOSTEL both sharing the same rating.
Source: Deadline

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8:42PM on 10/10/2010
The MPAA makes me vomit.
The MPAA makes me vomit.
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8:02AM on 10/09/2010
I'm not gonna bash the MPAA.... While I *do* find this pretty lame on their part there isn't much that the general public can do about it.

Honestly, in my opinion, I think that if a movie is rated R that it shouldn't matter WHAT is in it. period. An R rating means that as an adult you have the option of seeing this, and that as a minor, you don't.
I'm not gonna bash the MPAA.... While I *do* find this pretty lame on their part there isn't much that the general public can do about it.

Honestly, in my opinion, I think that if a movie is rated R that it shouldn't matter WHAT is in it. period. An R rating means that as an adult you have the option of seeing this, and that as a minor, you don't.
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4:50AM on 10/09/2010

Oh big whoop

What are you all underage? Good grief. You act as if they're banning you all from seeing it. This is 2010... you can find anything you want regardless of how hard it is supposedly to come by. If you wanna blame anyone, blame theatre chains for not screening NC-17 films... You guys act like the MPAA is some mafia group and there's all this conspiracy going on. Give me a break.

I have no love for the MPAA but I just don't care. I don't care what they rate anything, I never pay attention to
What are you all underage? Good grief. You act as if they're banning you all from seeing it. This is 2010... you can find anything you want regardless of how hard it is supposedly to come by. If you wanna blame anyone, blame theatre chains for not screening NC-17 films... You guys act like the MPAA is some mafia group and there's all this conspiracy going on. Give me a break.

I have no love for the MPAA but I just don't care. I don't care what they rate anything, I never pay attention to them anyway.
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11:46AM on 10/09/2010
The problem isn't that there may be a conspiracy. The problem is that the conspiracy has already been exposed, and no one can do anything about it. The MPAA uses NC-17 ratings to kill movies that they don't like. It may be because of the director, the studio, or any other number of reasons. A movie that gets an NC-17 rating ends up making less than half of what a movie with an R rating makes in the box office. You should watch, "This Film is Not Yet Rated."
The problem isn't that there may be a conspiracy. The problem is that the conspiracy has already been exposed, and no one can do anything about it. The MPAA uses NC-17 ratings to kill movies that they don't like. It may be because of the director, the studio, or any other number of reasons. A movie that gets an NC-17 rating ends up making less than half of what a movie with an R rating makes in the box office. You should watch, "This Film is Not Yet Rated."
3:21AM on 10/09/2010

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anyone else notice they got away with 2 "fuck"s? just something i noticed.

but yeah going down on a chick didn't get A History of Violence an NC-17, so i dont see why it should get this one the same thing..
anyone else notice they got away with 2 "fuck"s? just something i noticed.

but yeah going down on a chick didn't get A History of Violence an NC-17, so i dont see why it should get this one the same thing..
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11:17PM on 10/08/2010
There has to be some way to bring the MPAA down. It really is just a regime. If you're not in on their game, and you don't play by their rules, they punish you for being an individual.
There has to be some way to bring the MPAA down. It really is just a regime. If you're not in on their game, and you don't play by their rules, they punish you for being an individual.
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7:33PM on 10/08/2010
MPAA are a bunch of douche bags... If they ruin the release of this film Im going to be so disappointed
MPAA are a bunch of douche bags... If they ruin the release of this film Im going to be so disappointed
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6:01PM on 10/08/2010

MPAA members

Must have some pretty boring sex lives.
Must have some pretty boring sex lives.
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3:32PM on 10/08/2010
USA is a communist nation!!!
USA is a communist nation!!!
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3:27PM on 10/08/2010

Remember Baby Boy?

Nah me neither...but there was a scene where the dude went down on the girl (at first against her will!) almost a double-whammy...
Nah me neither...but there was a scene where the dude went down on the girl (at first against her will!) almost a double-whammy...
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2:16PM on 10/08/2010
Double post. My bad.

...Fuck the MPAA.
Double post. My bad.

...Fuck the MPAA.
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2:14PM on 10/08/2010
The sheer level of stupidity being operated by the MPAA shouldn't surprise anyone. And like everyone, I just wonder why realistic sex, though not gratuitous, always gets grilled. At least they're not giving each other golden showers and doing hardcore S&M. Bunch of prudes I say.
The sheer level of stupidity being operated by the MPAA shouldn't surprise anyone. And like everyone, I just wonder why realistic sex, though not gratuitous, always gets grilled. At least they're not giving each other golden showers and doing hardcore S&M. Bunch of prudes I say.
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1:48PM on 10/08/2010

I CAN'T WAIT UNTIL WE ALL TURN 17!

But honestly, rating films NC17 at least indicates that the movie is probably awesome.
But honestly, rating films NC17 at least indicates that the movie is probably awesome.
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1:37PM on 10/08/2010
Ummm...Going down?

History of Violence anyone?
Ummm...Going down?

History of Violence anyone?
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3:23AM on 10/09/2010
well shit now my comment doesn't seem so original lol shoulda looked down here first i guess. good call mate.
well shit now my comment doesn't seem so original lol shoulda looked down here first i guess. good call mate.
6:36PM on 10/09/2010
I gave em a thumbs down since you mentioned it already
I gave em a thumbs down since you mentioned it already
1:28PM on 10/08/2010
I'm still dieing to see the movie regardeless.
I'm still dieing to see the movie regardeless.
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1:28PM on 10/08/2010

MPAA AND BASEBALL UMPIRE

BOTH GROUP THINK THEY ARE GOD'S GIFT TO HUMANITY -- DISGRACE!! -- aarrrggg!!
BOTH GROUP THINK THEY ARE GOD'S GIFT TO HUMANITY -- DISGRACE!! -- aarrrggg!!
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1:02PM on 10/08/2010
Okay, since everyone else is all devils ears and ROKK!, I'll try and be reasonable. Many of the MPAA's values are typical of old world puritan ideals. Violence is fine, sex is taboo. Typical and stupid. I'm not going to say we don't need some kind of watchdog group looking out for us, but cursing, sex and gore aren't the things we need guarded so much. What I don't want is horse porn showing up in a comedy I'm watching because some douche bag thought it would be a laugh. There obviously
Okay, since everyone else is all devils ears and ROKK!, I'll try and be reasonable. Many of the MPAA's values are typical of old world puritan ideals. Violence is fine, sex is taboo. Typical and stupid. I'm not going to say we don't need some kind of watchdog group looking out for us, but cursing, sex and gore aren't the things we need guarded so much. What I don't want is horse porn showing up in a comedy I'm watching because some douche bag thought it would be a laugh. There obviously have to be borders of some kind, some where. Besides, the rating you get isn't exactly a ban, just a suggested viewing age.
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12:23PM on 10/08/2010
Yeah it figures. Ugh.
Yeah it figures. Ugh.
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12:19PM on 10/08/2010

WTF

MPAA sucks ass! Anarchy!
MPAA sucks ass! Anarchy!
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8:44PM on 10/10/2010
Dude, your avatar is AWESOME.
Dude, your avatar is AWESOME.
12:15PM on 10/08/2010
umm i remember a pretty realistic 69 shown in A History of Violence and that got an R rating.
umm i remember a pretty realistic 69 shown in A History of Violence and that got an R rating.
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2:17PM on 10/08/2010
How can we ever forget that little slice of Maria Bello heaven...
How can we ever forget that little slice of Maria Bello heaven...
2:18PM on 10/08/2010
God damn double posting.
God damn double posting.
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11:56AM on 10/08/2010
R should be the harshest rating... beyond that it gets to the point of religious zealots telling ADULTS what they can and can not watch.

I agree with ratings G-R... but apart from that, they become a useless and nonsensical organization
R should be the harshest rating... beyond that it gets to the point of religious zealots telling ADULTS what they can and can not watch.

I agree with ratings G-R... but apart from that, they become a useless and nonsensical organization
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11:46AM on 10/08/2010
The idea behind the MPAA is helpful for parental reasons. I wouldn't want to take my child to a movie without first knowing what to expect. However, the MPAA as an organization is incredibly flawed and biased. They make rating decisions based on arbitrary, outdated rules. And they charge studios, even small indie companies, insane amounts of money to receive a rating. It's a tyrannical, unfair scam. The industry is in dire need of a new ratings system. One that doesn't give a hard 'R' to movies
The idea behind the MPAA is helpful for parental reasons. I wouldn't want to take my child to a movie without first knowing what to expect. However, the MPAA as an organization is incredibly flawed and biased. They make rating decisions based on arbitrary, outdated rules. And they charge studios, even small indie companies, insane amounts of money to receive a rating. It's a tyrannical, unfair scam. The industry is in dire need of a new ratings system. One that doesn't give a hard 'R' to movies that have more than one F-bomb or boob shot. What sucks is it's usually the little indie movies that the MPAA picks on the most. Movies like Happy-Go-Lucky or Wendy & Lucy, two of the cutest damned movies I've seen in a long time.
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11:45AM on 10/08/2010
FUUUCK DAAA POOOLICE!
FUUUCK DAAA POOOLICE!
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11:43AM on 10/08/2010
FUCK the MPAA!!!

This is a movie I will see regardless. It reminds me of a more serious 500 Days of Summer, and I've been a fan of Michelle Williams since Dawson's Creek. Sue me, but I used to dig that show as a kid. lol.

FUCK the MPAA!!!

This is a movie I will see regardless. It reminds me of a more serious 500 Days of Summer, and I've been a fan of Michelle Williams since Dawson's Creek. Sue me, but I used to dig that show as a kid. lol.

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11:39AM on 10/08/2010
I know this may be blunt and shows zero argumentative skills but FUCK THE MPAA.
I know this may be blunt and shows zero argumentative skills but FUCK THE MPAA.
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11:37AM on 10/08/2010
sadly, I'm not even surprised anymore by the MPAA...
sadly, I'm not even surprised anymore by the MPAA...
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11:32AM on 10/08/2010
Wasn't Paul Walker eating a pink taco in Running Scared? I seem to remember that flick being R.
Wasn't Paul Walker eating a pink taco in Running Scared? I seem to remember that flick being R.
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2:15PM on 10/08/2010
Nah, he was going to but Vera's sauce was burning on the stove. Close though.
Nah, he was going to but Vera's sauce was burning on the stove. Close though.