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Say what? Andrew Garfield has an idea for a new Mary Jane...and it's Michael B. Jordan!

Jul. 10, 2013by: Paul Shirey

It seems there's no end to folks wanting to alter or change the identity of superheroes and now you can add THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 2's Andrew Garfield in with that mix. The actor revealed to EW that he had a philosophical discussion with producer Matt Tolmach about Mary Jane, who was recently delayed until the next film, "half-joking" that MJ didn't necessarily have to be a girl.

I was kind of joking, but kind ofnotjoking about MJ. And I was like, What if MJ is a dude? Why cant we discover that Peter is exploring his sexuality? Its hardly even groundbreaking!So whycanthe be gay? Whycanthe be into boys?

The actor went on to explain that he had the perfect actress actor in mind:

Ive been obsessed with Michael B. Jordan sinceThe Wire.Hes so charismatic and talented. Itd be even betterwed have interracial bisexuality!

Sigh. So, look, I have no problem with superheroes of any race, gender, or sexual preference. In the end it's ALWAYS about character and nothing more. However,changing up characters who were created to be a certain way for the sake of simply "going with the times" is asinine. If you want a gay superhero in a bi-racial relationship, no problem. Just create them. Do the same work that all the other characters have done over decades of storytelling and establish your characters and off you go. This whole "time for a fill in the blank character" schtick is getting old.

What do you think? Should we change up the origins of established characters to fit in with current social trends or leave them as they are?

Garfield will next be seen in THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 2 on May 2, 2014 and Michael B. Jordan will next be seen in FRUITVALE STATION on July 12, 2013.

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2:38PM on 07/10/2013
The Fabulous Spider-Man?
The Fabulous Spider-Man?
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3:32PM on 07/10/2013
We have a winner.
We have a winner.
7:08PM on 07/10/2013
I'd like to thank my mom...
I'd like to thank my mom...
6:43PM on 07/10/2013
Why can't MJ be a guy? Because Spiderman is not GAY.
Why can't Idris Elba play James Bond? because Bond is not BLACK.
Make your own characters Hollywood, and quit fucking up the canon of already established franchises just for a shock factor.
Why can't MJ be a guy? Because Spiderman is not GAY.
Why can't Idris Elba play James Bond? because Bond is not BLACK.
Make your own characters Hollywood, and quit fucking up the canon of already established franchises just for a shock factor.
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7:15PM on 07/10/2013
Bond is an interchangeable alias... he isn't one man.
Many different men have been James Bond, otherwise he'd be about 80.
I love the idea of Idris Elba as Bond, I think its a perfect change to a time old series that could do with some fresh ideas and he is perfect for the role.
A similar argument has come about with the suggestion of a black and/or female Doctor now that Matt Smith has stepped down as Doctor Who... In the UK it would work since we've had the Doctor for over 50 years... in
Bond is an interchangeable alias... he isn't one man.
Many different men have been James Bond, otherwise he'd be about 80.
I love the idea of Idris Elba as Bond, I think its a perfect change to a time old series that could do with some fresh ideas and he is perfect for the role.
A similar argument has come about with the suggestion of a black and/or female Doctor now that Matt Smith has stepped down as Doctor Who... In the UK it would work since we've had the Doctor for over 50 years... in the states it wouldn't work so well since it only really picked up when David Tennant took up the role. Its too soon for the change but that being said it would work fine since the Doctor has to regenerate and take on a new form.

I agree with the Mary Jane end though, I think its bad move since she is so heavily integrated into the franchise and Parker's sexuality has never been in question.
9:38PM on 07/11/2013
The Bond as a codename theory is just that, a theory. Look it up online and you will find all sorts of discussions on this topic, but it has never once been confirmed. Additionally Skyfall pretty much proves that his name is actually James Bond.
The Bond as a codename theory is just that, a theory. Look it up online and you will find all sorts of discussions on this topic, but it has never once been confirmed. Additionally Skyfall pretty much proves that his name is actually James Bond.
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3:27PM on 07/10/2013
What turns you on? Guy or girl? I don't care. Just stick to the source material people. Not everything needs to be a social statement. This movie continues to turn me off.
What turns you on? Guy or girl? I don't care. Just stick to the source material people. Not everything needs to be a social statement. This movie continues to turn me off.
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3:17PM on 07/10/2013

Do it!

Fucking do it!! I have no interest seeing this movie, and if they did this I would be first in line. You want to know why? First I would wonder if they would openly market a 100million dollar plus gay superhero with interracial romance. So to go in opening weekend with all the families to see Peter and a black marry Jane getting hot and heavy would be epic! And I do mean epic. Lets be honest, some kids would be confused and some parents would just get their kids up right away and take them out
Fucking do it!! I have no interest seeing this movie, and if they did this I would be first in line. You want to know why? First I would wonder if they would openly market a 100million dollar plus gay superhero with interracial romance. So to go in opening weekend with all the families to see Peter and a black marry Jane getting hot and heavy would be epic! And I do mean epic. Lets be honest, some kids would be confused and some parents would just get their kids up right away and take them out immediately. So from right than critically the movie would be a success and GLAD and other gay and lesbian organizations would be saying how bold and beautiful the movie is, and if everyone won't go see it you're a racist piece of shit. So domestically they movie will be mauled by controversy. How about internationally?? So you can kiss China, Russia, and India off top from carrying the movie without heavy editing. The positive for me would be this would be a great opportunity for Disney to grab the right depending on alot if factors but it is a possibility. You would have people boycotting the fuck out of Sony and their products. I honestly don't know about the comic book crowd but I would be curious to see their reactions. But all in all I'm all for it just to see the reactions I could give a fuck less about Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man movies.
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3:52PM on 07/10/2013
Everything changed for Peter Parker the day he was bitten by that gay spider.
Everything changed for Peter Parker the day he was bitten by that gay spider.
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4:04PM on 07/10/2013
He knew the spider was gay because its webbing was simply FABULOUS.
He knew the spider was gay because its webbing was simply FABULOUS.
7:59PM on 07/10/2013
Makes sense. He was gay as hell in The amazing Spider-Man.
Makes sense. He was gay as hell in The amazing Spider-Man.
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9:45PM on 07/10/2013

I have a better idea...

Why not Garfield and Webb take a hike and get Tobey and Raimi back together for another Spidey?
Why not Garfield and Webb take a hike and get Tobey and Raimi back together for another Spidey?
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8:42AM on 07/11/2013
^^^^^^this.
^^^^^^this.
8:49AM on 07/11/2013
Because Spider-Man 3?
Because Spider-Man 3?
10:05PM on 07/10/2013

ohh GOD

You know what? I just got a brilliant idea. Let's make everybody gay. In fact, why don't we go around beating up straight people and Christians? Yes, it's sarcasm folks. I don't really care if people are gay or not. I'm just getting tired of the subject getting force fed down my throat(no pun) all the time.
You know what? I just got a brilliant idea. Let's make everybody gay. In fact, why don't we go around beating up straight people and Christians? Yes, it's sarcasm folks. I don't really care if people are gay or not. I'm just getting tired of the subject getting force fed down my throat(no pun) all the time.
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3:24PM on 07/10/2013

Awww....

What the hell man. Someone just needs to make a whole new super hero and make him gay that way everyone who is gay can be pleased, but don't just slap the gay on a superhero that has never been gay. And on a second note, why does everything have to be gay or lesbian now days. Like I said just make a whole new gay or lesbian super hero/heroine.
What the hell man. Someone just needs to make a whole new super hero and make him gay that way everyone who is gay can be pleased, but don't just slap the gay on a superhero that has never been gay. And on a second note, why does everything have to be gay or lesbian now days. Like I said just make a whole new gay or lesbian super hero/heroine.
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8:55PM on 07/10/2013
Maybe the next Star Trek movie could have a Lesbian butch Kirk, getting saucy with a female black, chinese spock .
Maybe the next Star Trek movie could have a Lesbian butch Kirk, getting saucy with a female black, chinese spock .
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8:51AM on 07/11/2013
The plot: The Enterprise stops following commands, because it's having gender identities. The crew has to discuss a traumatic event the ship went through when it was at the shipyard. Sulu is a sentient rabbit who identifies as a sentient dog.
The plot: The Enterprise stops following commands, because it's having gender identities. The crew has to discuss a traumatic event the ship went through when it was at the shipyard. Sulu is a sentient rabbit who identifies as a sentient dog.
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4:08PM on 07/10/2013

Why can't he be gay?

Simple, Mr. Garfield, it's because Peter Parker IS NOT gay.
Simple, Mr. Garfield, it's because Peter Parker IS NOT gay.
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3:58PM on 07/10/2013
Of course. He MJ can be a gay Muslim and we discover Peter is Jewish, the movie ends in a wedding, and it will be written by Orson Scott Card. I'd pay 20 bucks to see that .
Of course. He MJ can be a gay Muslim and we discover Peter is Jewish, the movie ends in a wedding, and it will be written by Orson Scott Card. I'd pay 20 bucks to see that .
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9:08AM on 07/11/2013
Yet another reason for me not to like Garfield...-
Yet another reason for me not to like Garfield...-
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4:52PM on 07/10/2013
How bout they just make a Spider-Woman movie and make her a lesbian....I'm like totally OK with that. ;-)
How bout they just make a Spider-Woman movie and make her a lesbian....I'm like totally OK with that. ;-)
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3:38PM on 07/10/2013

i grew up as a Spiderman fan for 35 yrs.

im done with this franchise. Im tired of changes happening when there is no need for it. and I know that this isnt were the franchises is heading, just dont agree with it. making characters gay, a different race, gender isnt being edgy! hate if you will
im done with this franchise. Im tired of changes happening when there is no need for it. and I know that this isnt were the franchises is heading, just dont agree with it. making characters gay, a different race, gender isnt being edgy! hate if you will
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3:21PM on 07/10/2013
No, just, no. I'm all for equal rights and all that crap but this would be unnecessarily forcing it to the 10th degree. I'm pretty sure Andrew Garfield said this just to get a rise out of the fans. Which makes this whole thing all the more annoying.
No, just, no. I'm all for equal rights and all that crap but this would be unnecessarily forcing it to the 10th degree. I'm pretty sure Andrew Garfield said this just to get a rise out of the fans. Which makes this whole thing all the more annoying.
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2:53PM on 07/10/2013
i think thats insulting to gays. as if being gay is something you try out for awhile when you are young and then go back to being 'normal'
i think thats insulting to gays. as if being gay is something you try out for awhile when you are young and then go back to being 'normal'
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2:37PM on 07/10/2013
So many jokes about sticky web shooting.
So many jokes about sticky web shooting.
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7:29PM on 07/10/2013
Over my cold,dead,body
Over my cold,dead,body
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2:05PM on 07/11/2013

SMH

Obviously, Andrew Garfield is having wet dreams about a particular Michael B. Jordan. "Hey, can I be kissing a guy on screen instead? I even know exactly who would be perfect for the role!" Just say you're gay, Garfield.
Obviously, Andrew Garfield is having wet dreams about a particular Michael B. Jordan. "Hey, can I be kissing a guy on screen instead? I even know exactly who would be perfect for the role!" Just say you're gay, Garfield.
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12:48AM on 07/12/2013
5 years he will come out.
5 years he will come out.
12:06AM on 07/11/2013
How about save the sexual exploration for the comics? There are countless alternate universes and dimensions. Make an alternate gay Marvel universe...give "HULK SMASH!" an entirely new meaning for all I care. Just stop trying to make movies to please every facet of society. If you're going to make movies based on classic comic characters, then don't f@ck with them.
How about save the sexual exploration for the comics? There are countless alternate universes and dimensions. Make an alternate gay Marvel universe...give "HULK SMASH!" an entirely new meaning for all I care. Just stop trying to make movies to please every facet of society. If you're going to make movies based on classic comic characters, then don't f@ck with them.
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2:41PM on 07/10/2013
I'm not totally sure, but Garfield sounds like he was just spit-balling an idea. I'm pretty sure we're not on the cusp of a gay Spider-Man.

Ol' Harry there on the other hand...
I'm not totally sure, but Garfield sounds like he was just spit-balling an idea. I'm pretty sure we're not on the cusp of a gay Spider-Man.

Ol' Harry there on the other hand...
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4:18PM on 07/10/2013

Why Can't he be gay???

Because the canon for the character isn't gay! I'd have no issues with Marvel creating a gay super hero. In fact it's probably time for it. But you can't just change characters. Why don't we make Gandalf an elf or Optimus Prime a tricycle. Maybe Darth Vader should be pink instead of black. Possibly Batman should enjoy the sexual company of goats! Why not! Let's just change everything that we know to be true.
Create something original if you want to push the boundaries socially. Leave
Because the canon for the character isn't gay! I'd have no issues with Marvel creating a gay super hero. In fact it's probably time for it. But you can't just change characters. Why don't we make Gandalf an elf or Optimus Prime a tricycle. Maybe Darth Vader should be pink instead of black. Possibly Batman should enjoy the sexual company of goats! Why not! Let's just change everything that we know to be true.
Create something original if you want to push the boundaries socially. Leave my childhood alone you fucker!
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3:06PM on 07/10/2013
How bout we make MJ a male HORSE. Groundbreaking open-mindness....
How bout we make MJ a male HORSE. Groundbreaking open-mindness....
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8:51PM on 07/10/2013
Horse would be tame compared to some of the shit these sick fucks would do if they could get away with it.
Horse would be tame compared to some of the shit these sick fucks would do if they could get away with it.
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8:43AM on 07/11/2013
I liked Amazing. I thought it showed a side of Peter Parker the Raimi movies forgot about - his extreme anger hidden by his extreme quipiness. I had some villains problems, but overall I enjoyed it.
About Gay Spider-Man: Dude. Shut up. There are gay superheroes, an if you want to play one, you have my blessing. But no, Peter Parker isn't gay. In fact, he probably hooks up with the most hot chicks in the entire Marvel U.
I liked Amazing. I thought it showed a side of Peter Parker the Raimi movies forgot about - his extreme anger hidden by his extreme quipiness. I had some villains problems, but overall I enjoyed it.
About Gay Spider-Man: Dude. Shut up. There are gay superheroes, an if you want to play one, you have my blessing. But no, Peter Parker isn't gay. In fact, he probably hooks up with the most hot chicks in the entire Marvel U.
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3:47PM on 07/10/2013
WTF! Shailene Woodley is probably saying the same thing: "WTF."
WTF! Shailene Woodley is probably saying the same thing: "WTF."
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3:13PM on 07/10/2013
Aside from Spider-man suddenly being gay, my issue is more that MJ would essentially not exist. She already got cut from ASM2, to cut her as a her all together seems out of place to me. She's an important role in SM.
Aside from Spider-man suddenly being gay, my issue is more that MJ would essentially not exist. She already got cut from ASM2, to cut her as a her all together seems out of place to me. She's an important role in SM.
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3:09PM on 07/10/2013

"Where's Wallace At?"

"Where's the boy, String?"
"Where the fu*k is Wallace?"
"Where's the boy, String?"
"Where the fu*k is Wallace?"
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2:35PM on 07/10/2013
Let's just keep Spider Man straight and Johnny Storm White.

Like the article said, if you want a Gay superhero, go create one.
Let's just keep Spider Man straight and Johnny Storm White.

Like the article said, if you want a Gay superhero, go create one.
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11:27PM on 07/10/2013
Get the fuck out
Get the fuck out
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7:26PM on 07/10/2013
If you do it, might as well go out. Get Joel Schumacher to direct. Throw in a few song & dance numbers from Spider-man: Turn off the Dark. Have Doc Ock's 4 extra arms really be 4 extra,.. no, wait, that's taking it too far.
If you do it, might as well go out. Get Joel Schumacher to direct. Throw in a few song & dance numbers from Spider-man: Turn off the Dark. Have Doc Ock's 4 extra arms really be 4 extra,.. no, wait, that's taking it too far.
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5:26PM on 07/10/2013

Stupid

Why does EVERYTHING right now have to be about being gay. Give it a freaking rest. Spiderman is straight. If AG wants to be a gay superhero that is fine. I am not homophobic by any means and would prob watch the movie. But lets not risk ruining the spiderman franchise because being gay is the fad right now. Just making those remarks (kidding or not kidding) tells me that he is not very invested in the character. What a shame.
Why does EVERYTHING right now have to be about being gay. Give it a freaking rest. Spiderman is straight. If AG wants to be a gay superhero that is fine. I am not homophobic by any means and would prob watch the movie. But lets not risk ruining the spiderman franchise because being gay is the fad right now. Just making those remarks (kidding or not kidding) tells me that he is not very invested in the character. What a shame.
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7:15PM on 07/10/2013
a "fad"? Being gay is a fad? Wow. It's great to hear about being homosexual from the heterosexual perspective.
a "fad"? Being gay is a fad? Wow. It's great to hear about being homosexual from the heterosexual perspective.
8:54AM on 07/11/2013
Being gay is not a fad. Trying to make pre-established characters into alternate genders, races, sexuality, etc, IS a fad. It's a huge fad.
Being gay is not a fad. Trying to make pre-established characters into alternate genders, races, sexuality, etc, IS a fad. It's a huge fad.
3:28PM on 07/10/2013
I hope they do this so this film will fall on it's face so we may have a change of Tobey coming back (wishful thinking?). NO interest in seeing this either and it's sad because I'm a Spidey fan.
I hope they do this so this film will fall on it's face so we may have a change of Tobey coming back (wishful thinking?). NO interest in seeing this either and it's sad because I'm a Spidey fan.
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3:02PM on 07/10/2013
I can't wait til Bond has Bond Men!...rme
I can't wait til Bond has Bond Men!...rme
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2:52PM on 07/10/2013
Calm down there, Tiger..that's not your Spider sense you feel tingling.
Calm down there, Tiger..that's not your Spider sense you feel tingling.
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1:28AM on 07/12/2013
Well if they do this, Spider-man will tank and Marvel will get the rights back.

Seems like Garfield just wants a reason to get it on with Jordan, without having to come out and say he is gay.
Well if they do this, Spider-man will tank and Marvel will get the rights back.

Seems like Garfield just wants a reason to get it on with Jordan, without having to come out and say he is gay.
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6:07PM on 07/12/2013
ay, valid point. This now has my support
ay, valid point. This now has my support
1:53PM on 07/11/2013

Ridiculous...

Give me a break! Why is it racist or homophobic for people to want to maintain the original vision of a character that has been around for decades. Its not OK to change the race and sexuality of a character because its the "cool" thing to do, people need realize not everyone gets their chance. Their are gay characters, black characters, latin characters, white characters and even asian characters and by God I say let them stay the way! This comment was obviously a joke made by Garfield, the guy
Give me a break! Why is it racist or homophobic for people to want to maintain the original vision of a character that has been around for decades. Its not OK to change the race and sexuality of a character because its the "cool" thing to do, people need realize not everyone gets their chance. Their are gay characters, black characters, latin characters, white characters and even asian characters and by God I say let them stay the way! This comment was obviously a joke made by Garfield, the guy who is banging Emma Stone, just saying. Pretty sure it was in jest anyway.
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3:01PM on 07/10/2013

Not a big deal...

Garfield was just throwing out ideas. There's nothing to worry about, because even IF any of the writers and producers were thinking of revamping the character in such a way, it still wouldn't happen, and not just because of loyalist and elitist to the character. Hell, there's still plenty of people in the real world who can't get past the idea of someone possessing different color skin or sexuality, So Spider-man is safe.
Garfield was just throwing out ideas. There's nothing to worry about, because even IF any of the writers and producers were thinking of revamping the character in such a way, it still wouldn't happen, and not just because of loyalist and elitist to the character. Hell, there's still plenty of people in the real world who can't get past the idea of someone possessing different color skin or sexuality, So Spider-man is safe.
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4:43AM on 07/11/2013
Nothing homophobic whatsoever but is Garfield really talking about Spider-Man here? Looks like someone wants to get a lil' frisky frisky with Michael over there. On screen even. Garfield, you kinky bastard, you!
Nothing homophobic whatsoever but is Garfield really talking about Spider-Man here? Looks like someone wants to get a lil' frisky frisky with Michael over there. On screen even. Garfield, you kinky bastard, you!
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2:23AM on 07/11/2013
Probably the worst idea I have heard since black Johnny Storm. Can't they just leave the characters the way there are and have been for decades? There are plenty of gay (and black, Asian, Native American etc characters) and I'm pretty certain people would be just as mad if they changed them just to "balance things out" or "shake things up a bit".
Probably the worst idea I have heard since black Johnny Storm. Can't they just leave the characters the way there are and have been for decades? There are plenty of gay (and black, Asian, Native American etc characters) and I'm pretty certain people would be just as mad if they changed them just to "balance things out" or "shake things up a bit".
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4:33PM on 07/10/2013

sigh

Spidey can be as gay as you want to make him, but the issue then becomes why? it would be an obvious lame gimmick, with no real purpose and add nothing to the character or how he deals with the villainy of the world.
Spidey can be as gay as you want to make him, but the issue then becomes why? it would be an obvious lame gimmick, with no real purpose and add nothing to the character or how he deals with the villainy of the world.
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3:55PM on 07/10/2013

Look

Personally, I'd prefer to see Idris Elba cast as Batman if we were gonna change superhero ethnicities.
Personally, I'd prefer to see Idris Elba cast as Batman if we were gonna change superhero ethnicities.
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8:58AM on 07/11/2013
Maybe Idris Elba should just play every super hero. Like, "Avenger's 2: The Elbs" and he's Hulk, Black Widow, Hawkeye, Iron Man, Captain America, Nick Fury, and Thanos.

Or the characters could just be the characters.
Maybe Idris Elba should just play every super hero. Like, "Avenger's 2: The Elbs" and he's Hulk, Black Widow, Hawkeye, Iron Man, Captain America, Nick Fury, and Thanos.

Or the characters could just be the characters.
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2:48PM on 07/10/2013

No...

Just no!
Just no!
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12:26AM on 07/12/2013
What a stupid, stupid comment. I hope the producers and his agent chew him out for throwing that napalm on fans. The characters sexuality is as established as that costume, why even go there?
What a stupid, stupid comment. I hope the producers and his agent chew him out for throwing that napalm on fans. The characters sexuality is as established as that costume, why even go there?
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1:48PM on 07/11/2013

Ridiculous...

Give me a break! Why is it racist or homophobic for people to want to maintain the original vision of a character that has been around for decades. Its not OK to change the race and sexuality of a character because its the "cool" thing to do, people need realize not everyone gets their chance. Their are gay characters, black characters, latin characters, white characters and even asian characters and by God I say let them stay the way! This comment was obviously a joke made by Garfield, the guy
Give me a break! Why is it racist or homophobic for people to want to maintain the original vision of a character that has been around for decades. Its not OK to change the race and sexuality of a character because its the "cool" thing to do, people need realize not everyone gets their chance. Their are gay characters, black characters, latin characters, white characters and even asian characters and by God I say let them stay the way! This comment was obviously a joke made by Garfield, the guy who is banging Emma Stone, just saying. Pretty sure it was in jest anyway.
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1:56PM on 07/11/2013
Because there's no longer such thing as the "original" version. These are completely fictional characters who are defined by their race, sexual orientation or gender, but by their actions. If this was an issue with someone like Black Panther being asian or Superman being from Earth, then you'd have a point. But if you think when a creative team wants to change a character's race, sexual orientation or gender as just doing things because it's apparently "cool" then wake up. It's called different
Because there's no longer such thing as the "original" version. These are completely fictional characters who are defined by their race, sexual orientation or gender, but by their actions. If this was an issue with someone like Black Panther being asian or Superman being from Earth, then you'd have a point. But if you think when a creative team wants to change a character's race, sexual orientation or gender as just doing things because it's apparently "cool" then wake up. It's called different stories. This Spider-Man series, nor was Raimi's, is the definitive model for Spider-Man. There will be multiple incarnations of every comic book character--as there should. Otherwise, we'll be getting the same recycled crap for goodness knows how long.
2:52PM on 07/11/2013
My issue here is that people like you don't see the point. Calling people racist or homophobic because they want beloved characters to remain as they were created, BY THEIR CREATORS no less, just makes no sense at all. No matter how hard you try to argue the point, these characters were created that way for a reason. A director or writer will use their interpretation of the original material on screen and I get that it will differ here and there from the source material and that fine. Maybe
My issue here is that people like you don't see the point. Calling people racist or homophobic because they want beloved characters to remain as they were created, BY THEIR CREATORS no less, just makes no sense at all. No matter how hard you try to argue the point, these characters were created that way for a reason. A director or writer will use their interpretation of the original material on screen and I get that it will differ here and there from the source material and that fine. Maybe you should email Stan Lee and ask him why he did not create a gay, black Spider-man and get the answer, as hard as it will be for you to comprehend that his creator happens to also be a straight, white male.
6:41PM on 07/11/2013
Is Stan Lee directing these films? No. Is Stan Lee the financier who gives each project under Marvel's umbrella the seal of approval? No. Most of the creators made white and straight superheroes because their comics wouldn't have sold at the time they were made. This is something you clearly don't get. You're concluding because the original incarnation of any character was the way it was for the time, it's almost universal that everything based on that source material should follow every
Is Stan Lee directing these films? No. Is Stan Lee the financier who gives each project under Marvel's umbrella the seal of approval? No. Most of the creators made white and straight superheroes because their comics wouldn't have sold at the time they were made. This is something you clearly don't get. You're concluding because the original incarnation of any character was the way it was for the time, it's almost universal that everything based on that source material should follow every character setup. Otherwise, tampering with things such as race or sexual orientation are completely inexcusable. By your logic, the Joker should never wear clown makeup, Batman should have never been trained in the mountains of some Chinese village, Khan should have been Middle Eastern, the Mandarin should have been Chinese, Storm should be played by an African, Kingpin should only be played by a white guy, Electro should be white, Perry White should remain white, Sue Storm should not be played by someone who is biracial, hell, even Nick Fury shouldn't be black because his original introduction was a white guy.
12:47AM on 07/12/2013
Dude don't even try to argue the point with assholes like this. They can't explain why changing those elements would change anything for the better, improve the story, etc. you know why ? because it wouldn't. Spiderman being straight and white was never a problem. It doesn't matter. Its only for there own personal gain thats why they want the change. Either, they are gay and want more gay characters or they are one of those PC hipsters "fair rights to all" assholes who just want to change his
Dude don't even try to argue the point with assholes like this. They can't explain why changing those elements would change anything for the better, improve the story, etc. you know why ? because it wouldn't. Spiderman being straight and white was never a problem. It doesn't matter. Its only for there own personal gain thats why they want the change. Either, they are gay and want more gay characters or they are one of those PC hipsters "fair rights to all" assholes who just want to change his sexuality to show how "ok" they are with gays.
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2:31AM on 07/11/2013
it's called following source material...not a hard concept to grasp
it's called following source material...not a hard concept to grasp
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2:27AM on 07/11/2013

Just plain stupid....

"Why cant we discover that Peter is exploring his sexuality?" I don't know how the f*** did Garfield "explored his sexuality" but it seems like his interpretation of the expression was a lot wider than mine...
"Why cant we discover that Peter is exploring his sexuality?" I don't know how the f*** did Garfield "explored his sexuality" but it seems like his interpretation of the expression was a lot wider than mine...
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7:44PM on 07/10/2013
The Hollywood youth is completely desensitized as Garfield clearly shows.
The Hollywood youth is completely desensitized as Garfield clearly shows.
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4:55PM on 07/10/2013
That's a good way to kill yer franchise! Sounds like someone may be trying to come out of the closet!
That's a good way to kill yer franchise! Sounds like someone may be trying to come out of the closet!
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3:57PM on 07/10/2013
Why not make a movie about The Authority? Kind of obscure, but it's got a badass gay Batman-like character if they really want one!
Why not make a movie about The Authority? Kind of obscure, but it's got a badass gay Batman-like character if they really want one!
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8:57AM on 07/11/2013
Hell to the yes. Dude, it's got Gay Batman AND Gay Superman. Who are gay for each other. That would be an amazing flick.
Hell to the yes. Dude, it's got Gay Batman AND Gay Superman. Who are gay for each other. That would be an amazing flick.
2:49PM on 07/10/2013
It was clearly more of a social comment hidden in a joke than an actual idea to change MJ's sex. He knew very well that saying things like that would get attention.
As for Michael B Jordan, the guy is crazy talented, and I believe he will become a big star, and maybe win an Oscar.
It was clearly more of a social comment hidden in a joke than an actual idea to change MJ's sex. He knew very well that saying things like that would get attention.
As for Michael B Jordan, the guy is crazy talented, and I believe he will become a big star, and maybe win an Oscar.
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8:38PM on 07/11/2013

Eat your heart out west side story.

Hes a fairy. A big fairy. A fairy who wants spider man to be gay. He has fantasies of black men. Wants to avoid kissing women. He is indeed most definitely gay.
Hes a fairy. A big fairy. A fairy who wants spider man to be gay. He has fantasies of black men. Wants to avoid kissing women. He is indeed most definitely gay.
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12:28AM on 07/11/2013
Northstar, Wiccan, Hulkling, Karma, Shatterstar, Rictor, Anole, Striker, Graymalkin, Lucy in the Sky
Northstar, Wiccan, Hulkling, Karma, Shatterstar, Rictor, Anole, Striker, Graymalkin, Lucy in the Sky
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9:09PM on 07/10/2013

Come On, Garfield

I keep an open mind to pretty much everything and am a gay rights advocate. I'm straight against hate. I'm not trying to get political or start a debate with anyone based on my views. With that said though, I think this is ridiculous (joking or not). I believe there is a time, place, format, etc. to push an agenda but this is taking it a bit far. Completely altering an established iconic character this way would be a slap to the face for fans and general audiences alike. When it comes to
I keep an open mind to pretty much everything and am a gay rights advocate. I'm straight against hate. I'm not trying to get political or start a debate with anyone based on my views. With that said though, I think this is ridiculous (joking or not). I believe there is a time, place, format, etc. to push an agenda but this is taking it a bit far. Completely altering an established iconic character this way would be a slap to the face for fans and general audiences alike. When it comes to demographics (kids) and marketing, it would be a tough sell and become a hot button debate amongst several groups. The film franchise would implode on itself and damage control would be a fucking nightmare. Like I said, I am a gay rights advocate but this is just moronic. If you want to push an agenda, create a character or bring in an established character that is relatable to the agenda. Just the other day, I was in my comic book store and saw an X-MEN comic where two gay mutants (I'm not sure which ones/I'm falling behind on my reading) were getting married with the X-MEN and mutant community surrounding and showering them with approval. This didn't bother me in the slightest because these characters were created that way. I know that gay rights has been in the Hollywood spotlight for quite some time now but letting it seep into the superhero genre and altering iconic character's identities is just flat out fucked up.
Michael B. Jordan is a fantastic actor and I hope that he finds future projects that will help him grow as an actor. Hell, he would be a prime candidate for Johnny Storm in the FF reboot. Yes, that brings up the race card but I support my position based on his performance in CHRONICLE.
My advice: keep Mary-Jane Watson as the hot girl next door.
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9:16PM on 07/10/2013
not human torch. make him patriot in a young avengers film
not human torch. make him patriot in a young avengers film
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7:22PM on 07/10/2013
This idea is not nearly as bad as casting Megan Fox as April O'Neil.
This idea is not nearly as bad as casting Megan Fox as April O'Neil.
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3:26PM on 07/10/2013

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

This article made me laugh. Guess everything an actor/actress/someone famous says (even if it's considered sarcasm) can be considered news now a days.
This article made me laugh. Guess everything an actor/actress/someone famous says (even if it's considered sarcasm) can be considered news now a days.
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3:29PM on 07/10/2013
This isn't news worthy??? rme
This isn't news worthy??? rme
3:00PM on 07/10/2013
You're an idiot, Garfield.
You're an idiot, Garfield.
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3:12AM on 07/13/2013
Nobody has asked apparent girlfriend Emma Stone how she feels about this?
Nobody has asked apparent girlfriend Emma Stone how she feels about this?
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11:04PM on 07/11/2013
I don't think it is fair to call some people "homophobic" or "racist" just because they prefer their comic character remaining true to the source material. In the real world, you are either gay or straight, it isn't a choice. At the same point, why is it suddenly a choice when it comes to a fictional character that has been who he is for 40+ years? Sometimes trying "new" things for the sake of it doesn't really help. It's not that I would hate a gay Spider-man, I just don't see why he suddenly
I don't think it is fair to call some people "homophobic" or "racist" just because they prefer their comic character remaining true to the source material. In the real world, you are either gay or straight, it isn't a choice. At the same point, why is it suddenly a choice when it comes to a fictional character that has been who he is for 40+ years? Sometimes trying "new" things for the sake of it doesn't really help. It's not that I would hate a gay Spider-man, I just don't see why he suddenly needs to be. There is nothing wrong with diversity, but for the sake of doing it, why? On the Johnny Storm front, it's not impossible for Sue and Johnny to be white and black siblings with the same parents, so it could work. That said, I don't really see the reason why they need to change him up. If it works though, go for it.
As to the comment about MJ and Gwen hooking up, again, for what purpose? It doesn't need to be done. Sure, might be hot, but it doesn't add anything.

On that note, there are probably legit homophobic and racist people commenting as well, but not everyone who feels the same as I do are homophobic or racist.

Another quick example. If Justice league uses JGL as the new Batman, I still dislike that. Bruce Wayne is Batman.
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5:22PM on 07/11/2013

F Andrew Garfield

Andrew Garfield should keep his ideas to himself when it come to an iconic character like Spider-Man. I'm done with the actors trying to be all PC...why can't Spider-Man have a boyfriend why can't James Bond have an affair with a guy. Shut you face an act out the part the tell you to or don't play the character. I'm done I'm boycotting this move. Garfield is a disrespectful ass.
Andrew Garfield should keep his ideas to himself when it come to an iconic character like Spider-Man. I'm done with the actors trying to be all PC...why can't Spider-Man have a boyfriend why can't James Bond have an affair with a guy. Shut you face an act out the part the tell you to or don't play the character. I'm done I'm boycotting this move. Garfield is a disrespectful ass.
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2:01AM on 07/11/2013

I have had enough of this

This whole "we need to show how ok we are with gays, with blacks, etc." crap! There is absolutely no reason to make a character, superhero or not, movie or not, gay, black, etc. if they already aren't, ok?! I am sick of that shit. Its a way for these people who are obsessed with accepting everyone to jerk themselves off. Write a blog about it and stfu! Making Spiderman a fag would only distract from the story and elements that don't matter imo. This is the same as make every superhero black,
This whole "we need to show how ok we are with gays, with blacks, etc." crap! There is absolutely no reason to make a character, superhero or not, movie or not, gay, black, etc. if they already aren't, ok?! I am sick of that shit. Its a way for these people who are obsessed with accepting everyone to jerk themselves off. Write a blog about it and stfu! Making Spiderman a fag would only distract from the story and elements that don't matter imo. This is the same as make every superhero black, spanish, argument. Make a new superhero and make him black and gay and leave the already established superheros alone.
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11:12AM on 07/11/2013
Fag = a British colloquialism for cigarette.
Fag = a British colloquialism for cigarette.
12:27AM on 07/12/2013
Well in fucking AMERICA! Fag = a gay person, a homosexual. We clear smart ass?
Well in fucking AMERICA! Fag = a gay person, a homosexual. We clear smart ass?
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5:02PM on 07/10/2013
Reviewers say things all the time about movies like "forced" or "tacked on" you know like the forced love story or tacked on ending. I wonder when people are gonna have the guts to say "forced gay subplot."
Reviewers say things all the time about movies like "forced" or "tacked on" you know like the forced love story or tacked on ending. I wonder when people are gonna have the guts to say "forced gay subplot."
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3:47PM on 07/10/2013
Patton Oswalt for Marbles Blaine Watson.
Patton Oswalt for Marbles Blaine Watson.
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3:20PM on 07/10/2013
Almost puked to that idea.what a timeperiod we are living in?!
Almost puked to that idea.what a timeperiod we are living in?!
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9:52PM on 07/10/2013

I can't help but feel...

...that people are trying to ruin Michael's career. At one point this kid I truly believed was at the forefront of up and coming black actors for this generation. Now his name is synonymous with ruining super hero movies when he wanted nothing to do with any of these rumors. Cast him as the black panther, have his dad (Idris Elba/Chiwetel Ejiofor) be the panther for the first half and die tragically. Then let him spend the rest of the movie trying impossibly to fill his dad shoes. Everyone
...that people are trying to ruin Michael's career. At one point this kid I truly believed was at the forefront of up and coming black actors for this generation. Now his name is synonymous with ruining super hero movies when he wanted nothing to do with any of these rumors. Cast him as the black panther, have his dad (Idris Elba/Chiwetel Ejiofor) be the panther for the first half and die tragically. Then let him spend the rest of the movie trying impossibly to fill his dad shoes. Everyone will love him and more people will be informed about the character then throw him in the Avengers. Done and Done.
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4:26PM on 07/10/2013

Dumb

It sound like he would do it just to do it. It doesn't sound like he's pining to help Gay and Lesbian rights by trying to have a gay character in a well known franchise It sounds like he just thinks it would be cool or something which is a pretty lame reason to make major changes to anything. So no, thisis not a good idea.
It sound like he would do it just to do it. It doesn't sound like he's pining to help Gay and Lesbian rights by trying to have a gay character in a well known franchise It sounds like he just thinks it would be cool or something which is a pretty lame reason to make major changes to anything. So no, thisis not a good idea.
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3:05PM on 07/10/2013
Peter is already a cool James Dean-esque loner studying his parents' research, bitten by an intentionally-altered spider while doing some corporate espionage, who never tries to use his powers for profit... But if he kisses the wrong person, or webs come out of his wrist organically, everyone cares about staying true to the original story.

He's already been completely derailed, let 'em have some fun story-wise until someone comes along and reboots it correctly.
Peter is already a cool James Dean-esque loner studying his parents' research, bitten by an intentionally-altered spider while doing some corporate espionage, who never tries to use his powers for profit... But if he kisses the wrong person, or webs come out of his wrist organically, everyone cares about staying true to the original story.

He's already been completely derailed, let 'em have some fun story-wise until someone comes along and reboots it correctly.
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9:38PM on 07/10/2013
Changing this for the sake or trying something new is actually getting old. I read that in some new comics in the future like 2045 or something, Peter Parker (not sure that is the name) is a black kid and that doesn't bother me at all. It's a future timeline, so that's fine. It's not our Peter, it's a future character after our Peter has moved on. Hell, don't care if future Spidey is a girl. To just change things about our current Peter Parker seems like an unnecessary risk for the sake of just
Changing this for the sake or trying something new is actually getting old. I read that in some new comics in the future like 2045 or something, Peter Parker (not sure that is the name) is a black kid and that doesn't bother me at all. It's a future timeline, so that's fine. It's not our Peter, it's a future character after our Peter has moved on. Hell, don't care if future Spidey is a girl. To just change things about our current Peter Parker seems like an unnecessary risk for the sake of just doing it, with no purpose and no soul, just because it can be done. Making MJ a man is insulting to Mary Jane's existence. You want Peter gay in another timeline, go ahead, do it in the comics. Movies though, leave it be,
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8:45PM on 07/10/2013

question

i commented earlier, but i want to know what others think if other famous "established" characters were changed examples: imagine James Bond, Han Solo, Capt Kirk, batman, wolverine are gay. Ill come up with some more involving racr and gender. dont want everyone thinking im attacking gays, far from it. but since this is the subject of the day, what do everyone think?
i commented earlier, but i want to know what others think if other famous "established" characters were changed examples: imagine James Bond, Han Solo, Capt Kirk, batman, wolverine are gay. Ill come up with some more involving racr and gender. dont want everyone thinking im attacking gays, far from it. but since this is the subject of the day, what do everyone think?
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5:20PM on 07/10/2013
LoL... this reminds me of that SNL sketch, The Ambiguously Gay Duo. They were always patting each other on the ass and the villains would have this "wtf" expression on their faces. lol Someone needs to make this a comedy quick.
LoL... this reminds me of that SNL sketch, The Ambiguously Gay Duo. They were always patting each other on the ass and the villains would have this "wtf" expression on their faces. lol Someone needs to make this a comedy quick.
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4:00PM on 07/10/2013

Read all about it:

Spider-Man Would Rather Be Gay Than Date Shailene Woodley!
Spider-Man Would Rather Be Gay Than Date Shailene Woodley!
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5:42PM on 07/10/2013
Zing!!!
Zing!!!
5:42PM on 07/10/2013
Zing!!!
Zing!!!
3:54PM on 07/10/2013
whoa, sorry double post
whoa, sorry double post
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3:43PM on 07/10/2013
He was just throwing the idea out there, people. He knows that's not gonna happen. Daniel Craig said something similar about Bond years ago (it even made its way into that one scene in Skyfall - at least Bond insinuated something happened in his past - "What makes you think this is my first time?" That just made the character more complex in my opinion). Don't worry, MJ will be a white girl once they get to her. Preferably a natural redhead, if you want her to be 100% accurate.
He was just throwing the idea out there, people. He knows that's not gonna happen. Daniel Craig said something similar about Bond years ago (it even made its way into that one scene in Skyfall - at least Bond insinuated something happened in his past - "What makes you think this is my first time?" That just made the character more complex in my opinion). Don't worry, MJ will be a white girl once they get to her. Preferably a natural redhead, if you want her to be 100% accurate.
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1:45PM on 07/12/2013

hmmm...

Anyone else think maybe he's joking? Maybe he's making fun of the recent controversy with Jordan playing human torch? I realize the guy is gaining more popularity for Fruitvale Station so he's everywhere. But it seems like funny timing. So either he's making fun of Jordan's recent backlash, or he doesn't care about the opinion's of fans. But since he's said before that he's such a spider-man fan, I find the latter hard to believe.
Anyone else think maybe he's joking? Maybe he's making fun of the recent controversy with Jordan playing human torch? I realize the guy is gaining more popularity for Fruitvale Station so he's everywhere. But it seems like funny timing. So either he's making fun of Jordan's recent backlash, or he doesn't care about the opinion's of fans. But since he's said before that he's such a spider-man fan, I find the latter hard to believe.
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5:21PM on 07/10/2013

Stupid

Why does EVERYTHING right now have to be about being gay. Give it a freaking rest. Spiderman is straight. If AG wants to be a gay superhero that is fine. I am not homophobic by any means and would prob watch the movie. But lets not risk ruining the spiderman franchise because being gay is the fad right now. Just making those remarks (kidding or not kidding) tells me that he is not very invested in the character. What a shame.
Why does EVERYTHING right now have to be about being gay. Give it a freaking rest. Spiderman is straight. If AG wants to be a gay superhero that is fine. I am not homophobic by any means and would prob watch the movie. But lets not risk ruining the spiderman franchise because being gay is the fad right now. Just making those remarks (kidding or not kidding) tells me that he is not very invested in the character. What a shame.
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2:57PM on 07/10/2013

Why not just create your own gay superhero?

Oh because that wouldn't make as many headlines. But what do I care, I like DC.
Oh because that wouldn't make as many headlines. But what do I care, I like DC.
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2:38PM on 07/10/2013
Spider-Man can go suck any amount of dicks he likes.
Spider-Man can go suck any amount of dicks he likes.
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12:11AM on 07/11/2013

Gay or Straight

Who cares? This seems like a very disingenuous way to generate buzz about a dying franchise that fewer people care about with every passing sequel. It might not happen until I'm eligible for senior discounts at the movies, but I hope that the Sony and Fox properties continue to tank until they are returned to Marvel.
Who cares? This seems like a very disingenuous way to generate buzz about a dying franchise that fewer people care about with every passing sequel. It might not happen until I'm eligible for senior discounts at the movies, but I hope that the Sony and Fox properties continue to tank until they are returned to Marvel.
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5:19PM on 07/10/2013

Stupid

Why does EVERYTHING right now have to be about being gay. Give it a freaking rest. Spiderman is straight. If AG wants to be a gay superhero that is fine. I am not homophobic by any means and would prob watch the movie. But lets not risk ruining the spiderman franchise because being gay is the fad right now. Just making those remarks (kidding or not kidding) tells me that he is not very invested in the character. What a shame.
Why does EVERYTHING right now have to be about being gay. Give it a freaking rest. Spiderman is straight. If AG wants to be a gay superhero that is fine. I am not homophobic by any means and would prob watch the movie. But lets not risk ruining the spiderman franchise because being gay is the fad right now. Just making those remarks (kidding or not kidding) tells me that he is not very invested in the character. What a shame.
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4:41PM on 07/10/2013

Mountain out of molehill much?

Andrew Garfield was clearly joking/speculating about making MJ a dude. Why is this even news? And to everyone losing their s**t over a bisexual Spidey, grow up. It's 2013, not 1969.
Andrew Garfield was clearly joking/speculating about making MJ a dude. Why is this even news? And to everyone losing their s**t over a bisexual Spidey, grow up. It's 2013, not 1969.
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4:46PM on 07/10/2013
It doesn't matter what year it is. It's still a messed up thing...And he said himself that he was only "kind of joking" and then he was serious in asking why Spiderman can't do that.

So of course it's news...Duh!
It doesn't matter what year it is. It's still a messed up thing...And he said himself that he was only "kind of joking" and then he was serious in asking why Spiderman can't do that.

So of course it's news...Duh!
7:17PM on 07/10/2013
"Still a messed up thing"? Jesus Christ, did you happen to catch when Stratburst mentioned it was 2013?
"Still a messed up thing"? Jesus Christ, did you happen to catch when Stratburst mentioned it was 2013?
8:39PM on 07/10/2013
@boynamedalexxx....It doesn't matter that it's 2013 because it has been and always will be a messed up, bad thing.

And you're using Christ's name in vain, so why do you bother capitalizing it?...Are you trying to show Him respect by capitalizing it?...Well you're not showing Him any respect by using His name in vain, so there's no point in doing that.
@boynamedalexxx....It doesn't matter that it's 2013 because it has been and always will be a messed up, bad thing.

And you're using Christ's name in vain, so why do you bother capitalizing it?...Are you trying to show Him respect by capitalizing it?...Well you're not showing Him any respect by using His name in vain, so there's no point in doing that.
10:29PM on 07/10/2013
SIXTY NINE!!!!
SIXTY NINE!!!!
8:43AM on 07/11/2013
This is news . . . train derailment blows up a small town in central Canada, wildfires in Arizona, bloody riots as Egyptian government overthrown by the military . . . but ANDREW GARFIELD SPECULATES ABOUT A BISEXUAL SPIDER-MAN!!! OMG!!!!!!

And in other news, it's okay to _LickMyLovePump_ as long as it's not a dude doing it. :P
This is news . . . train derailment blows up a small town in central Canada, wildfires in Arizona, bloody riots as Egyptian government overthrown by the military . . . but ANDREW GARFIELD SPECULATES ABOUT A BISEXUAL SPIDER-MAN!!! OMG!!!!!!

And in other news, it's okay to _LickMyLovePump_ as long as it's not a dude doing it. :P
9:57AM on 07/11/2013
Bible thumping aside, I think the issue isnt that bisexuality is icky. its not. i think, though, when you tack something like that onto a character that has a 50 year long tradition behind it, you have to have a damn good reason other than, "thatd be cool". you want gay superheroes? make an Alpha Flight or Authority movie? Hell, even a green lantern is gay these days. but switching something like that on SPIDERMAN? Gimmicky
Bible thumping aside, I think the issue isnt that bisexuality is icky. its not. i think, though, when you tack something like that onto a character that has a 50 year long tradition behind it, you have to have a damn good reason other than, "thatd be cool". you want gay superheroes? make an Alpha Flight or Authority movie? Hell, even a green lantern is gay these days. but switching something like that on SPIDERMAN? Gimmicky
10:53AM on 07/11/2013
@Stratburst....This is news because it's making people talk, and that's the point of news.
@Stratburst....This is news because it's making people talk, and that's the point of news.
4:16PM on 07/10/2013
I like how everybody feels they need to say something nice about gay people before they disapprove of Garfields comments. PC America, got to love it. Spiderman is not gay, never has been. There are no gay super hero's for a reason. People who read the comics and watch the movie don't do so for social/political commentary. The movie would fail miserably if they made Spiderman gay.
I like how everybody feels they need to say something nice about gay people before they disapprove of Garfields comments. PC America, got to love it. Spiderman is not gay, never has been. There are no gay super hero's for a reason. People who read the comics and watch the movie don't do so for social/political commentary. The movie would fail miserably if they made Spiderman gay.
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3:47PM on 07/10/2013
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3:06PM on 07/10/2013
I don't mind him wanting to try out new things, but Spider Man is not something I really want to see them experiment with on film. This is a beloved comic book character. When I go to see the Spider Man films, I go to see all the things that I love about Spider Man, not the filmmakers interpretation of the character. I want to see Spider Man and all the characters that come with it brought to life. If they want to mess with a hero, they should just go create their own. I realize getting people
I don't mind him wanting to try out new things, but Spider Man is not something I really want to see them experiment with on film. This is a beloved comic book character. When I go to see the Spider Man films, I go to see all the things that I love about Spider Man, not the filmmakers interpretation of the character. I want to see Spider Man and all the characters that come with it brought to life. If they want to mess with a hero, they should just go create their own. I realize getting people behind a new hero, especially on film, is more difficult than simply using a character everyone already knows, but please, just leave the Spidey universe as it already is. That said, I realize this will never happen, so I'm not all that worried.
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2:59PM on 07/10/2013
Let's not change things for the sake of changing things. Idris Elba doesn't need to play James Bond, and Spider-Man can have his Mary Jane.
Let's not change things for the sake of changing things. Idris Elba doesn't need to play James Bond, and Spider-Man can have his Mary Jane.
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5:16PM on 07/10/2013
Is this latest franchise doing its utmost to get me to hate on it??? :o( Even if it doesn't happen...I'm going to have that thought in my head now - darn f**k it!
Is this latest franchise doing its utmost to get me to hate on it??? :o( Even if it doesn't happen...I'm going to have that thought in my head now - darn f**k it!
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4:49PM on 07/10/2013

Thumbs up for posting a good news story.

Why are people wondering why this is a new story???...It's getting people to talk about it, and that's the point of news stories and what they want, so this is a very good one.....Duh.
Why are people wondering why this is a new story???...It's getting people to talk about it, and that's the point of news stories and what they want, so this is a very good one.....Duh.
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11:34PM on 07/10/2013
being gay is not a current social trend tho...smh
being gay is not a current social trend tho...smh
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6:17PM on 07/10/2013

heres another idea...

kill some fuckin superheros too in movies stop being a bunch of fuckin pussys. Seriously its annoying seeing them safe the fuckin world always. I want dark realistic superhero movies. I have no problem with a gay superhero but the rest of the world prob does. So I don't think that'll work and we'll never ever hear the end of it.
kill some fuckin superheros too in movies stop being a bunch of fuckin pussys. Seriously its annoying seeing them safe the fuckin world always. I want dark realistic superhero movies. I have no problem with a gay superhero but the rest of the world prob does. So I don't think that'll work and we'll never ever hear the end of it.
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11:46PM on 07/10/2013
If you want to see Peter Parker explore his own sexuality why not just make him and Harry Osborn gay for each other? I'm sure a lot of fans love this kind of yaoi shit.
If you want to see Peter Parker explore his own sexuality why not just make him and Harry Osborn gay for each other? I'm sure a lot of fans love this kind of yaoi shit.
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11:00PM on 07/11/2013
This strike back is a mess. Sad but fun to read. I reallllly do hope they make Spiderman gay just to see you guys squirm. People dont like change, people like the normal, comfortable, routine, way of things. They dont like to feel uncomfortable. They dislike the new.
This strike back is a mess. Sad but fun to read. I reallllly do hope they make Spiderman gay just to see you guys squirm. People dont like change, people like the normal, comfortable, routine, way of things. They dont like to feel uncomfortable. They dislike the new.
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10:47AM on 07/11/2013
How dare they try to experiment with fictional characters who couldn't possibly have more than one interpretation other than the one I personally prefer in my mind. How dare they try to do something different, but allow me to complain when they try to do something different that I don't like, but complain when they're being too faithful to the source material! How dare I try to come up with homophobic and/or racists excuses by stamping the "I'm not homophobic, but I just think they're doing
How dare they try to experiment with fictional characters who couldn't possibly have more than one interpretation other than the one I personally prefer in my mind. How dare they try to do something different, but allow me to complain when they try to do something different that I don't like, but complain when they're being too faithful to the source material! How dare I try to come up with homophobic and/or racists excuses by stamping the "I'm not homophobic, but I just think they're doing this to upset the fans" or "I'm not racists, I just think this fictional character that has always been white shouldn't be black faced or shouldn't have their gender or sexual orientation tampered with." Heaven forbid they try to make Batman fall in love with a black or Asian woman because it's so unrealistic that he would do that!

Seriously, some people need to get their heads out of their asses and realize that when people want to introduce diversity to your beloved comic book, it's not something that'll make your older comics suddenly lose value or diminish completely.
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12:31AM on 07/12/2013
Its really not our fault your too stupid to see whats really happening here. If you really believe turning any superhero gay (or changing color) is "doing something different" then maybe you are just trying to bull shit yourself.
Its really not our fault your too stupid to see whats really happening here. If you really believe turning any superhero gay (or changing color) is "doing something different" then maybe you are just trying to bull shit yourself.
2:45PM on 07/10/2013

Who cares?

We're at a point where superhero movies will continue to be rebooted and retold in different ways. Who cares if Garfield's Parker is bisexual. If the movie is good, I don't care if he undergoes a sex change.
We're at a point where superhero movies will continue to be rebooted and retold in different ways. Who cares if Garfield's Parker is bisexual. If the movie is good, I don't care if he undergoes a sex change.
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2:58PM on 07/10/2013
Spiderman being gay or bisexual would make the movie suck though.
Spiderman being gay or bisexual would make the movie suck though.
10:23PM on 07/10/2013
Really? I didn't know Spider-Man's sexual orientation would make the entire movie suck.
Really? I didn't know Spider-Man's sexual orientation would make the entire movie suck.
7:14PM on 07/10/2013
I'm cringing at the thought of the immense homophobia I'm about to encounter in the comments below...
I'm cringing at the thought of the immense homophobia I'm about to encounter in the comments below...
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5:37PM on 07/11/2013

Interesting....

I'm a big fan of Andrew Garfield and I love him even more for this. I love when movies experiment with characters that are already established. I think it would be really cool if Peter Parker explored his sexuality in this franchise. A lot of you hate this idea, but I think it would be a great thing. I know for a fact that you guys wouldn't complain if Gwen and Mary Jane randomly hooked up. It disappoints me that there is such a double standard.
I'm a big fan of Andrew Garfield and I love him even more for this. I love when movies experiment with characters that are already established. I think it would be really cool if Peter Parker explored his sexuality in this franchise. A lot of you hate this idea, but I think it would be a great thing. I know for a fact that you guys wouldn't complain if Gwen and Mary Jane randomly hooked up. It disappoints me that there is such a double standard.
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6:46PM on 07/11/2013
We live in a misogynistic and homophobic world where some people will enjoy the idea of two girls hooking up if they're allowed to watch and/or engage, but if two men are seen together, that's just wrong.
We live in a misogynistic and homophobic world where some people will enjoy the idea of two girls hooking up if they're allowed to watch and/or engage, but if two men are seen together, that's just wrong.
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5:41PM on 07/10/2013
Their was such a backlash when, god forbid, a black guy would play Johnny Storm. Imagine if they turned MJ black AND a guy? These biggots would have a heart attack! But seriously this isn't news.
Their was such a backlash when, god forbid, a black guy would play Johnny Storm. Imagine if they turned MJ black AND a guy? These biggots would have a heart attack! But seriously this isn't news.
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5:54PM on 07/10/2013
Yes, it is news, because it's getting people to talk about it, and that's the point of news stories and what they want, so this is a very good one.....Duh.
Yes, it is news, because it's getting people to talk about it, and that's the point of news stories and what they want, so this is a very good one.....Duh.
12:34AM on 07/12/2013
Doesn't make anyone bigots if they screw up characters. This is dumb, just some actor looking to sound high minded, but coming off as a delusional, projecting douche. This is a 50 year old established character. If you want to explore that kind of homosexual character, play another character that is homosexual.
Doesn't make anyone bigots if they screw up characters. This is dumb, just some actor looking to sound high minded, but coming off as a delusional, projecting douche. This is a 50 year old established character. If you want to explore that kind of homosexual character, play another character that is homosexual.
12:34AM on 07/12/2013
Doesn't make anyone bigots if they screw up characters. This is dumb, just some actor looking to sound high minded, but coming off as a delusional, projecting douche. This is a 50 year old established character. If you want to explore that kind of homosexual character, play another character that is homosexual.
Doesn't make anyone bigots if they screw up characters. This is dumb, just some actor looking to sound high minded, but coming off as a delusional, projecting douche. This is a 50 year old established character. If you want to explore that kind of homosexual character, play another character that is homosexual.
12:14PM on 07/11/2013
The people commenting, proclaiming they're not homophobic, saying its beside the point, etc, etc, blah, blah, are only further proving what a few others have called them out on. It's homophobia. You can try to deny it's not...it is.
You claim you expect to see Spider-Man a specific way, because he's "always been that way", and it's "established"...that it would "make no sense" and just be a part of a "fad". All of these reaching explanations are just further showing how impossible it is to be
The people commenting, proclaiming they're not homophobic, saying its beside the point, etc, etc, blah, blah, are only further proving what a few others have called them out on. It's homophobia. You can try to deny it's not...it is.
You claim you expect to see Spider-Man a specific way, because he's "always been that way", and it's "established"...that it would "make no sense" and just be a part of a "fad". All of these reaching explanations are just further showing how impossible it is to be a fanboy and openly homosexual (even when comrades insist their open-mindedness)....to the people who dispute me, take a few courses on LGBT rights and history (and Women And Gender Studies would probably come in handy, as well), then come talk to me.
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2:54PM on 07/11/2013
So just because I don't want a gay Spider-Man makes me homophobic and closed minded? You're doing the exact same thing you're accusing everyone else of on here that doesn't want to see a gay Spider-Man. But because its from your point of view that makes you right and everyone else homophobic. I don't need to study LGBT rights and history. I grew up in an accepting household, my sister is a lesbian, married her gf and I was in her wedding. I love her just the same and I'm happy that she is
So just because I don't want a gay Spider-Man makes me homophobic and closed minded? You're doing the exact same thing you're accusing everyone else of on here that doesn't want to see a gay Spider-Man. But because its from your point of view that makes you right and everyone else homophobic. I don't need to study LGBT rights and history. I grew up in an accepting household, my sister is a lesbian, married her gf and I was in her wedding. I love her just the same and I'm happy that she is happy, I don't care that she's married to a woman. So don't condemn the masses and make generalizations. Just because someone thinks the world is ready for a gay Spider-Man doesn't make it a great idea, the same way not everyone that disagrees is a homophobic racist.
12:40AM on 07/12/2013
Ok then, then if whenever we say NO to a gay superhero if that means we are homophobic then fuck it. None of you PC assholes can explain why it would improve a story or a character, you only want feel apart of that crowd of PC hipsters. Fuck off and go write a story for a gay superhero. Spiderman getting rammed in his ass is going to really make the story any better? Interesting? Why so the super villains can kidnap his boy friend?
Ok then, then if whenever we say NO to a gay superhero if that means we are homophobic then fuck it. None of you PC assholes can explain why it would improve a story or a character, you only want feel apart of that crowd of PC hipsters. Fuck off and go write a story for a gay superhero. Spiderman getting rammed in his ass is going to really make the story any better? Interesting? Why so the super villains can kidnap his boy friend?
5:43PM on 07/11/2013

Interesting....

I'm a big fan of Andrew Garfield and I love him even more for this. I love when movies experiment with characters that are already established. I think it would be really cool if Peter Parker explored his sexuality in this franchise. A lot of you hate this idea, but I think it would be a great thing. I know for a fact that you guys wouldn't complain if Gwen and Mary Jane randomly hooked up. It disappoints me that there is such a double standard.
I'm a big fan of Andrew Garfield and I love him even more for this. I love when movies experiment with characters that are already established. I think it would be really cool if Peter Parker explored his sexuality in this franchise. A lot of you hate this idea, but I think it would be a great thing. I know for a fact that you guys wouldn't complain if Gwen and Mary Jane randomly hooked up. It disappoints me that there is such a double standard.
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2:55PM on 07/10/2013
Gotta admire Garfield's desire to shake things up. Spiderman is supposed to be a trailblazer character, up to date and relevant to modern sensibilities. So I'm open to the idea, but there's so many complex issues at play I'd prefer to see the comics delve into it first.

However I wouldn't put it beyond Joss Whedon to see Bruce Banner come out...

Still think Michael B. Jordan would be a phenomenal Johnny Storm though. Or if DC gets their shit together...The Flash.
Gotta admire Garfield's desire to shake things up. Spiderman is supposed to be a trailblazer character, up to date and relevant to modern sensibilities. So I'm open to the idea, but there's so many complex issues at play I'd prefer to see the comics delve into it first.

However I wouldn't put it beyond Joss Whedon to see Bruce Banner come out...

Still think Michael B. Jordan would be a phenomenal Johnny Storm though. Or if DC gets their shit together...The Flash.
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3:01PM on 07/10/2013
It wouldn't be phenomenal because neither of those characters are White. It would be terrible.
It wouldn't be phenomenal because neither of those characters are White. It would be terrible.
3:15PM on 07/10/2013
Was it really terrible that Perry White was played by Laurence Fishburne? Or Billy Dee Williams as Harvey Dent? Or Catwoman by Eartha Kitt 50 freaking years ago?

When both The Fantastic Four and The Flash were originally created, comic book artists were prohibited by publishers from creating black superheroes. Even if they wanted Johnny Storm or Barry Allen or Hal Jordan to be black, they weren't allowed to.

Yes, SINCE 1966 there have been many great black superheroes....Black Panther,
Was it really terrible that Perry White was played by Laurence Fishburne? Or Billy Dee Williams as Harvey Dent? Or Catwoman by Eartha Kitt 50 freaking years ago?

When both The Fantastic Four and The Flash were originally created, comic book artists were prohibited by publishers from creating black superheroes. Even if they wanted Johnny Storm or Barry Allen or Hal Jordan to be black, they weren't allowed to.

Yes, SINCE 1966 there have been many great black superheroes....Black Panther, Blade, Falcon, War Machine...but none of those have or ever will be as iconic as Batman, Superman, Spiderman, Wonder Woman. To insist they all only ever be played by white actors is just continuing the racism that was pervasive 50-80 years ago. If a black actor is right for the role and the particular script, they should absolutely be given the chance. And Michael B. Jordan is such a damn good actor he deserves a shot at a top-tier franchise role like that.

But who am I arguing with...the only guy who actually liked 2 Lanterns, a Guy, and a Pizza Place.
8:38AM on 07/11/2013
That's because those characters ethnicities weren't essential to the story.

Flash and Johnny Storm are already established characters with much source material as them being White and nothing else. And we have never had a Flash on the big screen and you think that we should make him Black? Are you nuts?
That's because those characters ethnicities weren't essential to the story.

Flash and Johnny Storm are already established characters with much source material as them being White and nothing else. And we have never had a Flash on the big screen and you think that we should make him Black? Are you nuts?
10:29PM on 07/10/2013

For the love of Christ

Spider-man, Mary Jane Watson and Johnny Storm aren't fucking real and they're not your friends and relatives. Granted this would be a pointless move, but the homophobia and racism some of you idiots spew is beneath this site.
Spider-man, Mary Jane Watson and Johnny Storm aren't fucking real and they're not your friends and relatives. Granted this would be a pointless move, but the homophobia and racism some of you idiots spew is beneath this site.
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11:03PM on 07/10/2013
I agree with you but it is a topic that caught everyone off guard today.
I agree with you but it is a topic that caught everyone off guard today.
11:11PM on 07/10/2013
it isnt homophobia to want your favorite characters to be portrayed the way we come to know and love. we know they arent real, we know they arent our friends, but we still love what they are. i grew up liking spidey for being the every day man, who had a model redhead with a down to earth attitude. theres nothing wrong with wanting to see that actually played out the way we imagined, not changing things just to be cool. and for the homophobes, they are speaking for the wrong reasons. im
it isnt homophobia to want your favorite characters to be portrayed the way we come to know and love. we know they arent real, we know they arent our friends, but we still love what they are. i grew up liking spidey for being the every day man, who had a model redhead with a down to earth attitude. theres nothing wrong with wanting to see that actually played out the way we imagined, not changing things just to be cool. and for the homophobes, they are speaking for the wrong reasons. im speaking as a true fan.
11:56PM on 07/10/2013
@tearlis: I like Spider-Man just fine as he is, but I fail to understand how not having the same admiration for the idea of a kid who steps up to save an entire city time and time again, because there's a chance he might be gay is not homophobic.
@tearlis: I like Spider-Man just fine as he is, but I fail to understand how not having the same admiration for the idea of a kid who steps up to save an entire city time and time again, because there's a chance he might be gay is not homophobic.
11:58PM on 07/10/2013
I may also be expecting too much emotional intelligence from many on this site.
I may also be expecting too much emotional intelligence from many on this site.
2:25PM on 07/11/2013
its like this - i attend classes at a Art Institute. the school has a large amount of gays and lesbians, and even one transgender female. i actually got into a discussion about this very article with afew of them, one of them was on this site and made a comment that its stupid to do something like make a striaght character gay. another felt that garfield is being ignorant to what being gay is really about. dont know what that exactly meant but i found it interesting that many gays werent happy
its like this - i attend classes at a Art Institute. the school has a large amount of gays and lesbians, and even one transgender female. i actually got into a discussion about this very article with afew of them, one of them was on this site and made a comment that its stupid to do something like make a striaght character gay. another felt that garfield is being ignorant to what being gay is really about. dont know what that exactly meant but i found it interesting that many gays werent happy with the comment. im sure that many of the gays i go to school with would disagree with you about your opinion. but you are intitled to have on as long as it isnt hateful.
12:06AM on 07/11/2013

Wow.

Some pretty intense homophobia and racism happening in the comments and in the original article.
We've already had an onscreen MJ - why not mix it up for the reboot? Why couldn't you change the sex of the character but stay true to all she means for Peter Parker and Spiderman canon?
Why not have a black Bond? We've had Scottish, Australian, English, Irish, and Welsh Bonds - would a black Bond really be that radical?!
This is all really disappointing. I thought we were more enlightened
Some pretty intense homophobia and racism happening in the comments and in the original article.
We've already had an onscreen MJ - why not mix it up for the reboot? Why couldn't you change the sex of the character but stay true to all she means for Peter Parker and Spiderman canon?
Why not have a black Bond? We've had Scottish, Australian, English, Irish, and Welsh Bonds - would a black Bond really be that radical?!
This is all really disappointing. I thought we were more enlightened than this.
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1:49AM on 07/11/2013
People like you make me sick, just because we don't agree we're automatically homophobic and racist, shut the fuck up man...
People like you make me sick, just because we don't agree we're automatically homophobic and racist, shut the fuck up man...
2:18AM on 07/11/2013
Yeah, what Fox Mulder just said! Is it not ok anymore to be against an idea, especially when it's a very bad one. Just as bad as the black Johnny Storm. Doesn't mean I'm racist, otherwise I wouldn't have any black friends and would never had dated a Japanese girl for 2 years.
Yeah, what Fox Mulder just said! Is it not ok anymore to be against an idea, especially when it's a very bad one. Just as bad as the black Johnny Storm. Doesn't mean I'm racist, otherwise I wouldn't have any black friends and would never had dated a Japanese girl for 2 years.
2:33AM on 07/11/2013
I'm not racist! I have black friends!

I'm not a homophobe! I'm just don't wanna see gay characters!


I'm not racist! I have black friends!

I'm not a homophobe! I'm just don't wanna see gay characters!


7:54AM on 07/11/2013
trismegistus....You just contradicted yourself. You were talking about there is some pretty intense homophobia and how you wouldn't care if MJ was a dude, but then you said you don't want to see gay characters...What???
trismegistus....You just contradicted yourself. You were talking about there is some pretty intense homophobia and how you wouldn't care if MJ was a dude, but then you said you don't want to see gay characters...What???
8:47AM on 07/11/2013
I'd love to see a Young Avengers movie, complete with gay Hulkling and gay Wiccan. That would make a badass movie. I have no interest in seeing a gay Spider-Man. It's about staying true to the fucking character, not "updating" him to feel "timely." Maybe Spider-Man should be more of a bad guy, like a Game of Thrones character. Like, with a lot of grey morality, but you root for him. That's really "timely." Let's do that.

Or maybe he could be an otherkin. Or a transgender dude. Or a furry. Or
I'd love to see a Young Avengers movie, complete with gay Hulkling and gay Wiccan. That would make a badass movie. I have no interest in seeing a gay Spider-Man. It's about staying true to the fucking character, not "updating" him to feel "timely." Maybe Spider-Man should be more of a bad guy, like a Game of Thrones character. Like, with a lot of grey morality, but you root for him. That's really "timely." Let's do that.

Or maybe he could be an otherkin. Or a transgender dude. Or a furry. Or he could just be, you know, Peter Parker the character that he's been for fifty years.
9:40AM on 07/11/2013
Okay - not everybody who is making the argument against this is a bigot. That said - there *are* bigoted comments on the board. And referring to "people like you" and telling people to "shut the fuck up" doesn't exactly present a winning case for tolerance, Fox Mulder. You disagree with him, and he makes you sick - how is your view any less rigid than his?
Okay - not everybody who is making the argument against this is a bigot. That said - there *are* bigoted comments on the board. And referring to "people like you" and telling people to "shut the fuck up" doesn't exactly present a winning case for tolerance, Fox Mulder. You disagree with him, and he makes you sick - how is your view any less rigid than his?
11:07AM on 07/11/2013
Lickymlovepump, you're hilarious. And judging by some of your comments on this page, you're an awful, awful human-being too.
Lickymlovepump, you're hilarious. And judging by some of your comments on this page, you're an awful, awful human-being too.
6:00AM on 07/11/2013

Do it. They have to do this.

They already ruined the series with the horrible first movie. This may actually redeem it. Fuck middle america, who cares what they think, if they made spiderman bi, that would be epic.
They already ruined the series with the horrible first movie. This may actually redeem it. Fuck middle america, who cares what they think, if they made spiderman bi, that would be epic.
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