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After giving a big "f*ck you" to the critics who panned STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS, Simon Pegg is now bashing a pair of blockbusters.

During an interview with Vulture, the actor opened up about the amount of apocalyptic movies that have been released this year which Pegg says came about because of the Mayan prophecies of the world ending in 2012. He mentions that even TRANSFORMERS falls into this category then talks about how the Science Fiction genre has been lacking:

"I think science fiction's kind of lost its way over the years, in that people suddenly think it's about the robots ... It was never about the robots. It's always been about the people. And robots have been a metaphor for something. And there doesn't seem to be a metaphor now. Was 'Man of Steel' a metaphor for 9/11? No. It was just us seeing buildings falling down."

Pegg then comes back to TRANSFORMERS talking about why it doesn't translate well as a live-action film:

"'Transformers' is a movie version of a toy, which came out of a series about robots, which was aimed at children, and then suddenly it's a thing that's skewed towards adults, but it is just toys fighting. It's all it is. And it doesn't really say anything about us or the world. And in my experience of it, it's just mind-numbingly dull."

Then back to MAN OF STEEL:

"That was one of the things that blew me away about 'Man of Steel,' that at the end, they're all at the Daily Planet office just going, "Hey! Let's go see the Dodgers!" Isn't everyone dead? Isn't New York flat? What do you mean, go see the Dodgers?!"

Does he have a point? Also, can the same argument for STAR TREK not be made for TRANSFORMERS or MAN OF STEEL? Give us your thoughts below.

Source: Vulture

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10:21PM on 08/23/2013
If the Enterprise can steam ahead like the fucking Nautilus and Khan can turn White from being awakened by RoboCop the the citizens of Metropolis can go see a fucking baseball game.
If the Enterprise can steam ahead like the fucking Nautilus and Khan can turn White from being awakened by RoboCop the the citizens of Metropolis can go see a fucking baseball game.
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10:52PM on 08/23/2013
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10:56PM on 08/23/2013
It's kind of hypocritical in Star Trek Into Darkness they took out like a quarter of San Francisco and a couple of blocks of London without batting an eye. And Transformers should ALWAYS be about the robots and it never is, instead were forced to sit through a lot of under developed human characters because they took all the humanity away from Autobots and Decepticons.
It's kind of hypocritical in Star Trek Into Darkness they took out like a quarter of San Francisco and a couple of blocks of London without batting an eye. And Transformers should ALWAYS be about the robots and it never is, instead were forced to sit through a lot of under developed human characters because they took all the humanity away from Autobots and Decepticons.
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10:54PM on 08/23/2013
Honestly, while all you schmoes have valid statements- I think he's making these statements as a fellow movie fan and nerd. We hold his word to a higher regard because he's in the industry- so we feel insulted. But he hasn't said anything nobody else hasn't agreed too. I literally mentioned that daily planet scene 1000x to my friends also.
Honestly, while all you schmoes have valid statements- I think he's making these statements as a fellow movie fan and nerd. We hold his word to a higher regard because he's in the industry- so we feel insulted. But he hasn't said anything nobody else hasn't agreed too. I literally mentioned that daily planet scene 1000x to my friends also.
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11:34PM on 08/23/2013

It's just science.

Has he said anything untrue?
Good for him.
Has he said anything untrue?
Good for him.
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1:20PM on 08/24/2013
I really like Pegg and I enjoy his work. He may have a few good points about what he said, but maybe just focus on your own stuff and not other peoples stuff. He talks about the story and the people and he's right, but not all cinema has to provoke some sort of inner dialogue about society. Sometimes we just like to see shit blow up and not think about our own crappy lives or how fucking terrible this world is becoming. Sometimes mind-numbing action with giant robots or superhero's is just
I really like Pegg and I enjoy his work. He may have a few good points about what he said, but maybe just focus on your own stuff and not other peoples stuff. He talks about the story and the people and he's right, but not all cinema has to provoke some sort of inner dialogue about society. Sometimes we just like to see shit blow up and not think about our own crappy lives or how fucking terrible this world is becoming. Sometimes mind-numbing action with giant robots or superhero's is just fun. There is a place at the table for all of it. Maybe he should have larger issues with all the craptastic Tyler Perry movies that make so much money or the constant shitstorm of awful horror movies that get cranked out every fall. Hollywood is far from perfect, but Transformers and Man of Steel are far from the worst things that come out of Hollywood.
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10:10AM on 08/24/2013
Never thought I'd see the day where internet fanboys defend crap like Transformers & Man of Steel. It's like watching devolution in progress. Something tells me that if Phantom Menace were released today, people would worship it.
Never thought I'd see the day where internet fanboys defend crap like Transformers & Man of Steel. It's like watching devolution in progress. Something tells me that if Phantom Menace were released today, people would worship it.
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4:07PM on 08/24/2013
That's very closed-minded. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean everyone has to or is a primitive lifeform for liking it. They are just movies. Different strokes for different folks.
That's very closed-minded. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean everyone has to or is a primitive lifeform for liking it. They are just movies. Different strokes for different folks.
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2:45PM on 08/24/2013
Regarding sci-fi, he is right, imo. People are in the focus, everything else should be secondary (although not detracted).

With Blade Runner, Star Trek, Alien, ET, Planet of the Apes etc. Among recent films, District 9 got it right.

Transformers movies, has not.
Regarding sci-fi, he is right, imo. People are in the focus, everything else should be secondary (although not detracted).

With Blade Runner, Star Trek, Alien, ET, Planet of the Apes etc. Among recent films, District 9 got it right.

Transformers movies, has not.
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4:06AM on 08/24/2013

Why doesn't he just...

Call Future Spock for the answers? Seemed to work out well when they did that for the first two ST reboot flicks
Call Future Spock for the answers? Seemed to work out well when they did that for the first two ST reboot flicks
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7:37AM on 08/24/2013
Amen. Amen...
Amen. Amen...
12:27AM on 08/24/2013
Have to agree with him about Man of Steel. Zero emotional connection in that movie. It was destruction porn.
Have to agree with him about Man of Steel. Zero emotional connection in that movie. It was destruction porn.
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10:48PM on 08/23/2013
Star Trek is a fun movie to watch. Is it "Citizen Kane"? No, but it is pure entertainment that has a bit of brains. I agree with him on "Transformers" though. Those movies, outside of the first one, are terrible. Hate on me, but I liked Man of Steel... but the ending was a bit ridiculous on how the city was rebuilt so fast.
Star Trek is a fun movie to watch. Is it "Citizen Kane"? No, but it is pure entertainment that has a bit of brains. I agree with him on "Transformers" though. Those movies, outside of the first one, are terrible. Hate on me, but I liked Man of Steel... but the ending was a bit ridiculous on how the city was rebuilt so fast.
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3:29AM on 08/24/2013
Amuses me how fans will exhaust themselves justifying the comments of people like Pegg and Whedon because they enjoy their work, but if someone polarizing like Damon Lindelof or Zack Snyder made similar remarks regarding other filmmakers work they would be fucking crucified.

Pegg right now is basically just letting us into his "true" personality which is, obviously, a guy who would be commenting on Joblo all the time if he wasn't famous and had no other pedestal to voice his opinions. "One
Amuses me how fans will exhaust themselves justifying the comments of people like Pegg and Whedon because they enjoy their work, but if someone polarizing like Damon Lindelof or Zack Snyder made similar remarks regarding other filmmakers work they would be fucking crucified.

Pegg right now is basically just letting us into his "true" personality which is, obviously, a guy who would be commenting on Joblo all the time if he wasn't famous and had no other pedestal to voice his opinions. "One of us." I think it's cool when celebs don't give a fuck and let it all out, but what irritates me is the cherry picking fan reactions as I already mentioned and also the hypocrisy in his statement that drewmanning pointed out below.

I don't know man, it just annoys me when fanboys, (which Pegg is and has admitted so on multiple occasions), speak with such a black and white tone on things as subjective as film. "Scifi is THIS and NOT that. Horror is THIS and NOT that."

Who the fuck is he to say Man of Steel was just buildings falling down? Films, especially blockbusters, have been full of 9/11 imagery since the incident, (Into Darkness included), and it is almost offensive for a Brit to tell me that "nope, it's just buildings falling down." 9/11 is arguably the biggest impact on cinema since Vietnam, and once again film is being used as a vehicle to help us confront it, accept it, and move on.

Good thing I'm not a fan of Pegg or Wright or I'd be extra pissed.
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5:06AM on 08/24/2013
I logged in for the first time in years just to tell you I completely disagree with you about a lot of what you said. That is all.
I logged in for the first time in years just to tell you I completely disagree with you about a lot of what you said. That is all.
7:42AM on 08/24/2013
Agree with you on most of this, but he said Man of Steel was just buildings falling down. Seems to me he was saying it takes much more than that to symbolize the events & aftermath of 9/11.
Agree with you on most of this, but he said Man of Steel was just buildings falling down. Seems to me he was saying it takes much more than that to symbolize the events & aftermath of 9/11.
7:54AM on 08/24/2013
'Man of Steel' wasn't even "just buildings falling down". It was just pretty pixels moving in a generally-downward direction.
'Man of Steel' wasn't even "just buildings falling down". It was just pretty pixels moving in a generally-downward direction.
1:16AM on 08/24/2013
Generally, when actors talk this way about other films, it sounds like Max Landis. However, even though I did enjoy Man of Steel and feel too much of a point has been made about the big-budget spectacle that served as its ending, Simon Pegg isn't talking out his ass here.
Generally, when actors talk this way about other films, it sounds like Max Landis. However, even though I did enjoy Man of Steel and feel too much of a point has been made about the big-budget spectacle that served as its ending, Simon Pegg isn't talking out his ass here.
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10:38PM on 08/23/2013
Meh.

And Star Trek used to be about more than how many green skinned women you can bone, lens flares, and nonsensical techno-babble. Simon, before you start throwing rocks, you may want to step out of that glass house for a few minutes.
Meh.

And Star Trek used to be about more than how many green skinned women you can bone, lens flares, and nonsensical techno-babble. Simon, before you start throwing rocks, you may want to step out of that glass house for a few minutes.
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4:45AM on 08/24/2013
Hasn't Star Trek always been about non-sensual techno babble and boning aliens? Granted the lens flares are new but wasn't that what the original series was all about?
Hasn't Star Trek always been about non-sensual techno babble and boning aliens? Granted the lens flares are new but wasn't that what the original series was all about?
7:50AM on 08/24/2013
Mmmmmm, "non-sensual technobabble"...
Mmmmmm, "non-sensual technobabble"...
5:33AM on 08/25/2013
Awwww yeah.
Awwww yeah.
2:09PM on 08/25/2013
Maybe it was if you were unfortunate enough to grow up knowing only ST:TNG (where all the bullshit started and the sci-fi ended), but ST:TOS was about a bit more than that.
Maybe it was if you were unfortunate enough to grow up knowing only ST:TNG (where all the bullshit started and the sci-fi ended), but ST:TOS was about a bit more than that.
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10:00PM on 08/23/2013

Well said, Simon.

Thanks.
Thanks.
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10:33PM on 08/25/2013

Chasing his tail

The movies have become cartoons, all blue screen actors pretending. Much like childs play. Star Trek is as guilty as Transformers. Each new movie, each new year the effects are bigger, better, and more costly. But the stories are what is missing. The pattern is always the same. The first installment of a franchise is well thought out, get's our attention and builds excitement only to see the sequels spend huge amounts of money on talent and Special effects. The story is what gets short changed.
The movies have become cartoons, all blue screen actors pretending. Much like childs play. Star Trek is as guilty as Transformers. Each new movie, each new year the effects are bigger, better, and more costly. But the stories are what is missing. The pattern is always the same. The first installment of a franchise is well thought out, get's our attention and builds excitement only to see the sequels spend huge amounts of money on talent and Special effects. The story is what gets short changed. Star Trek has kept the trend going, stealing form the past and now Man of Steel will see a light weight take a major role, it's doomed to mediocrity. The Sci Fy bombs this summer are a lesson that Hollywood will miss. Their are not enough fanboys who want to feel like they are watching a live action video game to support the genre. If they don't figure it out the system will collapse on it's self.
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7:17PM on 08/25/2013
Umm.... Simon? Have you actually watched the ending of Star Trek Into Darkness?
Umm.... Simon? Have you actually watched the ending of Star Trek Into Darkness?
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10:08AM on 08/27/2013
They don't carry on as if nothing has happened like they do in MOS....
They don't carry on as if nothing has happened like they do in MOS....
2:39PM on 08/25/2013
I absolutely loved Man of Steel, even with all its flaws, what can I say.. The fact that I loved that movie make me stupid or limited? I hope not. You can't expect every superhero movie in the world to be directed by Christopher Nolan Mr Pegg...
I absolutely loved Man of Steel, even with all its flaws, what can I say.. The fact that I loved that movie make me stupid or limited? I hope not. You can't expect every superhero movie in the world to be directed by Christopher Nolan Mr Pegg...
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9:42PM on 08/24/2013
On the whole I tend to agree with Mr Pegg. Over his career he has made no secret of the fact he's a sci-fi geek and a film nerd, and he's clearly passionate and intelligent. Plus, think about this: he co-wrote Shaun Of The Dead, Hot Fuzz, The World's End and Paul, so from a scriptwriting standpoint he actually has a fair amount of credibility. I think he has some very valid points to make. Man of Steel proved that action without proper thematic character development is ultimately futile.
On the whole I tend to agree with Mr Pegg. Over his career he has made no secret of the fact he's a sci-fi geek and a film nerd, and he's clearly passionate and intelligent. Plus, think about this: he co-wrote Shaun Of The Dead, Hot Fuzz, The World's End and Paul, so from a scriptwriting standpoint he actually has a fair amount of credibility. I think he has some very valid points to make. Man of Steel proved that action without proper thematic character development is ultimately futile.
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1:04AM on 08/24/2013

THANK GOD

Thank you pegg for mentioning that scene at the end of Man Of Steel, don't get me wrong i loved the mega descrution and all but holy fuck how is everyone still kicking it and alive and all if all this happen thats a huge problem are we missing something is this in another world LOL. Huge Fail.
Thank you pegg for mentioning that scene at the end of Man Of Steel, don't get me wrong i loved the mega descrution and all but holy fuck how is everyone still kicking it and alive and all if all this happen thats a huge problem are we missing something is this in another world LOL. Huge Fail.
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5:13AM on 08/24/2013
Totally agree about "Man of Steel". This could have been ended on a much better, less stupid note by watching Superman help to build up metropolis from the scratch. But no. They came up with the poor, sucarcoated "month later" ending, which made him look like an overpowered bully and the people on Daily Planet look like a bunch of ignorant fools. Great job!
Totally agree about "Man of Steel". This could have been ended on a much better, less stupid note by watching Superman help to build up metropolis from the scratch. But no. They came up with the poor, sucarcoated "month later" ending, which made him look like an overpowered bully and the people on Daily Planet look like a bunch of ignorant fools. Great job!
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10:15PM on 08/24/2013
"Hey! Let's go see the Dodgers!" Isn't everyone dead? Isn't New York flat? What do you mean, go see the Dodgers?!" - lolzzzzz - I think he's being very harsh...but that ending is just one example of why Man of Steel bothered me so much. People think I've been to nit picky about this....but when Supes chucks and destroys that million (billion) dollar drone ship that was trying to follow him right in front of a moving car carrying a senior military official...it seems like I was the only one
"Hey! Let's go see the Dodgers!" Isn't everyone dead? Isn't New York flat? What do you mean, go see the Dodgers?!" - lolzzzzz - I think he's being very harsh...but that ending is just one example of why Man of Steel bothered me so much. People think I've been to nit picky about this....but when Supes chucks and destroys that million (billion) dollar drone ship that was trying to follow him right in front of a moving car carrying a senior military official...it seems like I was the only one going...hey...was that necessary? Forget about the cost of an American asset but the debris could have hit the oncoming car. He's Superman...the boy scout....not the Hulk. Why did he do that? Couldn't he have put it down and then made the point he made? I've been doing this over and over again, since watching the movie...but compare that ending to Superman 2 where he puts the dome back on to the White House... apologizing to the President - I know which version of Superman I'd like to protect this planet.
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5:39PM on 08/24/2013

Too super.

I thought Man of Steel had too much action. Too many cataclysmic effects..
also, how does Superman 'steer' when he flies?
I thought Man of Steel had too much action. Too many cataclysmic effects..
also, how does Superman 'steer' when he flies?
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5:21AM on 08/25/2013

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Man of Steel didn't live up to (my) expectation. and the same goes to Star Trek into Darkness. more disappointed with the latter.
Man of Steel didn't live up to (my) expectation. and the same goes to Star Trek into Darkness. more disappointed with the latter.
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9:20AM on 08/24/2013
Finally someone standing up against man of steel. Everyone i have spoke to says it lacked emotion. It was just stale. Yet i come on this website and everyone loves it. Are these true superman fans though. Cant believe the fortress of solitude was just a ship. Talk about killing of the magic.
Finally someone standing up against man of steel. Everyone i have spoke to says it lacked emotion. It was just stale. Yet i come on this website and everyone loves it. Are these true superman fans though. Cant believe the fortress of solitude was just a ship. Talk about killing of the magic.
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9:25AM on 08/24/2013
Well, to many Nolan fans out here, seemingly he can do no wrong.
Well, to many Nolan fans out here, seemingly he can do no wrong.
11:19AM on 08/24/2013
@justjoe

There's isn't many bigger Nolan fans than me but I can't understand how any of his fans could like that film. It's everything his movies aren't: dumb, emotionally flat, big for the sake of being big... Like Spielberg (who thought hiring Michael Bay was a good idea), he just isn't as good as a producer as he is as a filmmaker.
@justjoe

There's isn't many bigger Nolan fans than me but I can't understand how any of his fans could like that film. It's everything his movies aren't: dumb, emotionally flat, big for the sake of being big... Like Spielberg (who thought hiring Michael Bay was a good idea), he just isn't as good as a producer as he is as a filmmaker.
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7:51AM on 08/24/2013
For those making comparisons to Star Trek and Man of Steel, perhaps it might be an idea to judge Pegg's opinions here as a creative script-writer, not a working actor.

He has to rely on the work of others for Star Trek to become more than the sum of its parts, whereas with Shaun, Fuzz and World's End, that's his true creative and collaborative voice and process and in that sense he's not hypocritical in the least. In fact he's spot on.
For those making comparisons to Star Trek and Man of Steel, perhaps it might be an idea to judge Pegg's opinions here as a creative script-writer, not a working actor.

He has to rely on the work of others for Star Trek to become more than the sum of its parts, whereas with Shaun, Fuzz and World's End, that's his true creative and collaborative voice and process and in that sense he's not hypocritical in the least. In fact he's spot on.
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7:59AM on 08/24/2013
No, let's judge Pegg's opinions as Pegg being someone who saw three movies and then defended the one he starred in while criticising the two he didn't star in.
No, let's judge Pegg's opinions as Pegg being someone who saw three movies and then defended the one he starred in while criticising the two he didn't star in.
12:40AM on 08/24/2013
EDIT: Wrong article.
EDIT: Wrong article.
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10:11PM on 08/23/2013

Right on dude...

give em hell man.
give em hell man.
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7:55PM on 08/25/2013
I was fairly annoyed at Pegg's comments the other day. However, here I agree with him more so. Yes, sci-fi has lost it's substance for spectacle in a lot of mainstream films (A- 'Into Darkness' is included here, IMO. B- some mainstream films still at least try, even if they fail).

I do disagree with him about 'Man Of Steel'. It has lots of flaws, but I still enjoyed it (7/10). Even with those flaws, aside from a few select stories throughout Superman's history, he hasn't been about anything
I was fairly annoyed at Pegg's comments the other day. However, here I agree with him more so. Yes, sci-fi has lost it's substance for spectacle in a lot of mainstream films (A- 'Into Darkness' is included here, IMO. B- some mainstream films still at least try, even if they fail).

I do disagree with him about 'Man Of Steel'. It has lots of flaws, but I still enjoyed it (7/10). Even with those flaws, aside from a few select stories throughout Superman's history, he hasn't been about anything in a metaphorical sense. So, why do his movies need to be?

Even with that, he brings up good reasoning and has some valid points.
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4:29AM on 08/25/2013

He's one of the good ones.

Joss Whedon's nerd-rage self-righteousness really bothers me. It just does. He strikes me as a bit of a fucking prick. Pegg doesn't. That's why I'm shocked to see all the hate here. His criticisms of Man of Steel, imo, are COMPLETELY valid and reflect EXACTLY how I felt, and *I'm not even a Superman fan* (he is). He's dead-on about the flaws of that film and his comments precisely surmise why I'm not excited about Man of Steel 2 with Batman -- not because of Affleck, who is a talented actor,
Joss Whedon's nerd-rage self-righteousness really bothers me. It just does. He strikes me as a bit of a fucking prick. Pegg doesn't. That's why I'm shocked to see all the hate here. His criticisms of Man of Steel, imo, are COMPLETELY valid and reflect EXACTLY how I felt, and *I'm not even a Superman fan* (he is). He's dead-on about the flaws of that film and his comments precisely surmise why I'm not excited about Man of Steel 2 with Batman -- not because of Affleck, who is a talented actor, but because of Zack Snyder, who is a talentless hack.
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10:44PM on 08/23/2013
"Does he have a point?"
Um..DID he have a point? What is he even saying?
"Does he have a point?"
Um..DID he have a point? What is he even saying?
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1:26PM on 08/24/2013

Start counting!

Dear Pegg, let's do some math: what would have killed more people - the Enterprise leveling downtown SF, or Superman and Zod playing dominos in Metropolis? Based on the visuals of buildings falling down/expected population per building + surrounding streets I think we could get a pretty good stab at the numbers on this.
Dear Pegg, let's do some math: what would have killed more people - the Enterprise leveling downtown SF, or Superman and Zod playing dominos in Metropolis? Based on the visuals of buildings falling down/expected population per building + surrounding streets I think we could get a pretty good stab at the numbers on this.
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3:19AM on 08/26/2013
Just for the record, the Enterprise did not leveled anything, Khan did. The Enterprise wasn´t able to stop him due to the damage. And the scene in Star Trek lasted, what, maybe 5 minutes? The ongoing battle in metropolis in Man of steel was nearly an hour long!
Just for the record, the Enterprise did not leveled anything, Khan did. The Enterprise wasn´t able to stop him due to the damage. And the scene in Star Trek lasted, what, maybe 5 minutes? The ongoing battle in metropolis in Man of steel was nearly an hour long!
5:26PM on 08/26/2013
Apologies it was The Vengeance which hit SF. Still, check it out - that's a lot of dead people. Haven't had a chance to re-check MoS though. And I agree MoS probably will win, but my insinuation was that Pegg seems to have quite a subjective view for what amount of mass death is acceptable. Personally, I found the destruction of Star Fleet Academy more horrific than Metropolis.
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Apologies it was The Vengeance which hit SF. Still, check it out - that's a lot of dead people. Haven't had a chance to re-check MoS though. And I agree MoS probably will win, but my insinuation was that Pegg seems to have quite a subjective view for what amount of mass death is acceptable. Personally, I found the destruction of Star Fleet Academy more horrific than Metropolis.
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7:40AM on 08/24/2013
So, to clarify, big-budget Hollywood blockbusters are open to criticism unless they're the ones you're currently starring in? What a hypocritical twat.
So, to clarify, big-budget Hollywood blockbusters are open to criticism unless they're the ones you're currently starring in? What a hypocritical twat.
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10:46PM on 08/23/2013
Suddenly it's okay for him to bash everyone else's shitty movie, but it's nothing but bruised feelings when folks try to do the same to his shitty movie.
Suddenly it's okay for him to bash everyone else's shitty movie, but it's nothing but bruised feelings when folks try to do the same to his shitty movie.
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12:27PM on 08/24/2013
Planned "blockbuster" type movies have always been pretty bad. Science Fiction films in general have always been pretty bad with the few grand exceptions like Alien and Star Wars, but movies in general from the beginning of time have been 75% god awful, 10% ok, and 15% pretty good. And that's on a good year.
Planned "blockbuster" type movies have always been pretty bad. Science Fiction films in general have always been pretty bad with the few grand exceptions like Alien and Star Wars, but movies in general from the beginning of time have been 75% god awful, 10% ok, and 15% pretty good. And that's on a good year.
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10:03AM on 08/24/2013
I like Simon but I don't agree with him on all points. Yes MOS seems like he forgot about the safety of the people. Even in Superman Returns, as Superman is flying towards Lex he notices that Metropolis is in danger and heads back to protect the city. In MOS it's a free for all. That's the heart that was missing in MOS. He made no effort to control the fight and keep civilians out of harms way. Soldiers, whatever, it's their job. Superman protected the soldiers and the rest of the people were
I like Simon but I don't agree with him on all points. Yes MOS seems like he forgot about the safety of the people. Even in Superman Returns, as Superman is flying towards Lex he notices that Metropolis is in danger and heads back to protect the city. In MOS it's a free for all. That's the heart that was missing in MOS. He made no effort to control the fight and keep civilians out of harms way. Soldiers, whatever, it's their job. Superman protected the soldiers and the rest of the people were ignored. Mind you I still liked the movie, much like Nolan's Batman series it has plenty of flaws but overall I still enjoyed it. (it has flaws, let it go people)
On to Transformers, yes it should be more about Robots. You want a metaphor?
Prime to Sam before leaving on the Zanthium after Sentinel Prime's Betrayal. "I told your leaders who to trust. and I was so wrong"
Sam "It just makes you human for a change"
There's your metaphor. Robots can make mistakes and trust the wrong allies.
Honestly, the biggest problem with the Transformers movies is that there are too many human elements. How often do we even see the Autobots interact with humans? If it isn't Sam with Prime or bumblebee or Soldiers shooting Decepticons, there is almost no interaction. Again, I still love all 3 movies, so long as I forward the boring human crap. The main thing is, it doesn't need a metaphor, it doesn't need some earth shattering statements. It's a movie. It's meant to be enjoyed. Nothing more than that. Just like Star Trek.
You want a "message" movie, watch a drama.
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10:24AM on 08/24/2013

PEG off

I am so sick of everyone being on the "Too much destruction" bus. Like seriously. Last supes (I call him that cause we tight lol) flick everybody and their mom cried out for more action... and bam. They levelled like two cities/towns and everyone is like - stop destroying things. People are dying. Hahaha Peg I love the guy... but seriously, you are gunna end up in a flick with this guys soon, and have to explain when your mouth is a douche :) and um... hey PEG you ah... actually watch your star
I am so sick of everyone being on the "Too much destruction" bus. Like seriously. Last supes (I call him that cause we tight lol) flick everybody and their mom cried out for more action... and bam. They levelled like two cities/towns and everyone is like - stop destroying things. People are dying. Hahaha Peg I love the guy... but seriously, you are gunna end up in a flick with this guys soon, and have to explain when your mouth is a douche :) and um... hey PEG you ah... actually watch your star trek into darkness flick? Explosion, death, mindnumbing destruction? hahaha just saying
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1:27AM on 08/25/2013
Dude, the first rule of storytelling: never give the people what they ask for. The people don't KNOW what they really want. They scream for this or that, but then you give them this or that and they hate it. Why? Because they didn't actually WANT this or that, they wanted some other thing they couldn't describe. Something that was outside their experience and ability to recognize. A good storyteller ignores the people, ignores what they're saying, and gives them the things they didn't
Dude, the first rule of storytelling: never give the people what they ask for. The people don't KNOW what they really want. They scream for this or that, but then you give them this or that and they hate it. Why? Because they didn't actually WANT this or that, they wanted some other thing they couldn't describe. Something that was outside their experience and ability to recognize. A good storyteller ignores the people, ignores what they're saying, and gives them the things they didn't even know - could never have IMAGINED - that they wanted. Because THAT'S what the people really want: the things they don't tell you. The things they never speak up about.

Man of Steel just gave everyone what they asked for.
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1:11AM on 08/24/2013

He's Off on Transformers and MOS!

Transformers was always about the Robots, not humans, the movies used humans more than the robots. Man Of Steel, your going to have destruction when you have super powered people, plus the end happens months later!
Transformers was always about the Robots, not humans, the movies used humans more than the robots. Man Of Steel, your going to have destruction when you have super powered people, plus the end happens months later!
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1:25AM on 08/24/2013
he didn't say anything of the sort about Transformers. he used Transformers as an example of how sci-fi is now more about the robots than the people, but minus the robots representing anything about "us." the Transformers aren't metaphors for anything in the movies, and that is his point, that classic sci-fi used the technology to say something about people. now the technology is just a device to stage large scale destruction and action sequences.

and having superhuman characters does not
he didn't say anything of the sort about Transformers. he used Transformers as an example of how sci-fi is now more about the robots than the people, but minus the robots representing anything about "us." the Transformers aren't metaphors for anything in the movies, and that is his point, that classic sci-fi used the technology to say something about people. now the technology is just a device to stage large scale destruction and action sequences.

and having superhuman characters does not equate to meaning that large scale destruction is going to occur. you can use that many different ways.
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12:16AM on 08/24/2013

I want love Pegg...

but the dude runs his mouth about stupid shit all the time, judging films and etc. Makes it harder and harder to like him.
but the dude runs his mouth about stupid shit all the time, judging films and etc. Makes it harder and harder to like him.
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12:31AM on 08/24/2013
Everyone judges films either good or bad. Hell, even you do it, so why on earth are you complaining about him judging films???
Everyone judges films either good or bad. Hell, even you do it, so why on earth are you complaining about him judging films???
11:34PM on 08/23/2013
This is basically penis envy. He is just angry he was not involved in a film that made so much money that he has to complain about so much stupid nothing.
This is basically penis envy. He is just angry he was not involved in a film that made so much money that he has to complain about so much stupid nothing.
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