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Sony insists on doing a Venom franchise once again, now without Spider-Man

03.04.2016

Just when you thought Sony Pictures was starting to figure things out with the one comic book/superhero franchise they have under their control, they go right back to insisting they're going to do something with Venom and totally make you question everything that's going on.

Following their arrangement with Marvel Studios that is set to effectively reboot Spider-Man on the fly, entering him into the Marvel Cinematic Universe while setting the stage for him to have a web-slinging franchise on the up and up, Sony is resurrecting plans for a VENOM franchise. They have hired Dante Harper, who did rewrite work on EDGE OF TOMORROW and penned the screenplay for the upcoming Jamie Foxx film SLEEPLESS NIGHT, to start writing this property which is seen as a separate entity from their plans for Spider-Man.

Yep, you read that correctly... VENOM is going to be unrelated to SPIDER-MAN. Some people never learn.

Avi Arad and Matt Tolmach, who ushered in the earlier versions of the Spidey franchise and were left behind in the dust once the Marvel deal was made, will be producing and overseeing VENOM. If that's not cause for concern given the direction SPIDER-MAN films went under their watch, then I don't know what is.

It's clear there has been a raging hard-on for VENOM for a number of years, dating back to his inclusion in Raimi's last Spidey flick even though the director wasn't a fan of the character. And now is apparently the time someone over at Sony is going to make something Venom happen at some point in their lives or so help them God... and it doesn't matter if the symbiote's arch-nemesis is not involved.

Go ahead and start worrying, comic fans. I'd say this is one of those rare occasions where all the evidence favors your cause.

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10:08AM on 03/06/2016
Hmm. Well, the Agent Venom version can work simply by introducing our war veteran double amputee Flash Thompson (recast, of course), given the suit by the government (no details on how they get it but nod nod wink wink they found the goo stuff from ASM Oscorp or the old blown up remains of Eddie Brock from Spidey 3), then found out about some conspiracy where he then have to fight some supervillain... all in a hard-R action flick. If indeed they are going this route, Sony execs probably think
Hmm. Well, the Agent Venom version can work simply by introducing our war veteran double amputee Flash Thompson (recast, of course), given the suit by the government (no details on how they get it but nod nod wink wink they found the goo stuff from ASM Oscorp or the old blown up remains of Eddie Brock from Spidey 3), then found out about some conspiracy where he then have to fight some supervillain... all in a hard-R action flick. If indeed they are going this route, Sony execs probably think they just found their own Deadpool. Worst case scenario, it will look like an unintended Spawn movie remake.
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5:48AM on 03/06/2016
A non Spider-Man-centric Venom movie pretty much necessitates him being portrayed as some sort of hero, no doubt being drafted in to handle some greater evil (the positive response Suicide Squad's been getting so far might have convinced them it was the right time to push forward with this), but it's questionable at best to do this without first establishing the character in a Spider-Man film. If they find a way to set everything up without wasting half a film explaining everything, the Agent
A non Spider-Man-centric Venom movie pretty much necessitates him being portrayed as some sort of hero, no doubt being drafted in to handle some greater evil (the positive response Suicide Squad's been getting so far might have convinced them it was the right time to push forward with this), but it's questionable at best to do this without first establishing the character in a Spider-Man film. If they find a way to set everything up without wasting half a film explaining everything, the Agent Venom route is an option, but then you're not really getting Venom as such, unless the host is prone to losing control so a more 'original Venom' side can come out in extreme situations. It's not an impossible setup without Spidey, but it's hardly ideal.
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8:58PM on 03/05/2016
Why am I not surprised?
Why am I not surprised?
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8:22PM on 03/05/2016

How does that make any sense??

Even if they rewrite the character's origin, how do you make a movie of a character whose look is EXPLICITLY AND UNAVOIDABLY based on Spiderman's costume, and pretend Spiderman doesn't exist?
Even if they rewrite the character's origin, how do you make a movie of a character whose look is EXPLICITLY AND UNAVOIDABLY based on Spiderman's costume, and pretend Spiderman doesn't exist?
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4:01PM on 03/05/2016

Next years Ghostbusters?

Lol, as much as people are hating the new Ghostbusters movie (it's well warranted to hate it, it looks like shit) I can see people hating the Venom movie. A venom movie without Spidey is like a Green Lantern movie without the lantern. We already saw how horrible Sony handles Venom (Topher fucking Grace?).

The Ultimate universe fucking sucks and yet Sony is just deadset on using it for everything.
Lol, as much as people are hating the new Ghostbusters movie (it's well warranted to hate it, it looks like shit) I can see people hating the Venom movie. A venom movie without Spidey is like a Green Lantern movie without the lantern. We already saw how horrible Sony handles Venom (Topher fucking Grace?).

The Ultimate universe fucking sucks and yet Sony is just deadset on using it for everything.
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12:16PM on 03/05/2016

remember Catwoman?

nuff said....
nuff said....
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12:13PM on 03/05/2016
Best thing Sony could do is allow Marvel to put Venom in the MCU, give him a cameo in Guardians of the Galaxy 2, to coincide with Venom in the comics(he is Space Venom). Just give him a walk on in a space bar & keep his identity a secret. Bottom line, Spider-Man & Venom need to be in the same universe. Sony needs to focus on pumping out 21 Jump Street sequels & leave the hero stuff to the professionals, the fans.
Best thing Sony could do is allow Marvel to put Venom in the MCU, give him a cameo in Guardians of the Galaxy 2, to coincide with Venom in the comics(he is Space Venom). Just give him a walk on in a space bar & keep his identity a secret. Bottom line, Spider-Man & Venom need to be in the same universe. Sony needs to focus on pumping out 21 Jump Street sequels & leave the hero stuff to the professionals, the fans.
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10:59AM on 03/05/2016

Dissapointing

I'm surprised there wasn't a clause in the Marvel/sony contract that prohibited Sony from doing stuff like this.
I'm surprised there wasn't a clause in the Marvel/sony contract that prohibited Sony from doing stuff like this.
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10:56AM on 03/05/2016
I did my part with the last spiderman and refused to pay money for it, which means I still haven't seen it. If everyone else who also hates what Sony has done to the franchise would stop throwing money at them, they would stop making movies. You have to vote with your dollar...
I did my part with the last spiderman and refused to pay money for it, which means I still haven't seen it. If everyone else who also hates what Sony has done to the franchise would stop throwing money at them, they would stop making movies. You have to vote with your dollar...
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6:10AM on 03/05/2016

Here we go again..

.. This is were they make 3 movies then reboot it with Venom joining the Marvel Universe like Spider-man has.

Learn from your mistakes god dam it!
.. This is were they make 3 movies then reboot it with Venom joining the Marvel Universe like Spider-man has.

Learn from your mistakes god dam it!
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5:16AM on 03/05/2016
Oh for the luva. Sometimes Sony is like an over excited child that has to be told to stop it. Just calm down. Let it unfold. Venom will happen. All in good time. Patience now. STOP IT!
Oh for the luva. Sometimes Sony is like an over excited child that has to be told to stop it. Just calm down. Let it unfold. Venom will happen. All in good time. Patience now. STOP IT!
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11:08PM on 03/04/2016
Eh. I'm confused and disappointed. I like venom, but why not make this in the MCU? Damn I hope this isn't bc of deadpool and they just wanna go R. I thought the Spidey deal was for all those characters, and I was actually more excited that the MCU would get all those great villains bc that's their biggest problem. So they can't use them? And more importantly, who's gonna be in venoms movie? General audiences will be confused bc of SM3. Will he fight carnage or another character or are
Eh. I'm confused and disappointed. I like venom, but why not make this in the MCU? Damn I hope this isn't bc of deadpool and they just wanna go R. I thought the Spidey deal was for all those characters, and I was actually more excited that the MCU would get all those great villains bc that's their biggest problem. So they can't use them? And more importantly, who's gonna be in venoms movie? General audiences will be confused bc of SM3. Will he fight carnage or another character or are they just making up new characters? This sounds terrible. I know they won't get all the profits from an MCU film but it'd have the chance to be a lot better
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11:02AM on 03/05/2016
There's a very good chance Deadpool's grosses initiated this film.
There's a very good chance Deadpool's grosses initiated this film.
9:06PM on 03/04/2016
Stop it, Sony.
Stop it, Sony.
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7:37PM on 03/04/2016
I'm guessing they might have Spider-Man cameo at some point but Venom standalone movie? I wonder who they're going to choose - Eddie Brock or Flash Thompson.
I'm guessing they might have Spider-Man cameo at some point but Venom standalone movie? I wonder who they're going to choose - Eddie Brock or Flash Thompson.
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6:50PM on 03/04/2016
This is exactly the reason I was concerned that Marvel made this deal with Sony. Sony aren't to be trusted, they could potentially start putting shit stains on Marvel's good name with this character sharing business. Marvel would've been better off simply waiting for Sony to balls Spider-Man up beyond worth and then bought and done him properly on their own.
This is exactly the reason I was concerned that Marvel made this deal with Sony. Sony aren't to be trusted, they could potentially start putting shit stains on Marvel's good name with this character sharing business. Marvel would've been better off simply waiting for Sony to balls Spider-Man up beyond worth and then bought and done him properly on their own.
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6:35PM on 03/04/2016
They could try a Rated R movie but the only way that works is to have Carnage involved somehow. I'm thinking fustercluck till more info is out there.
They could try a Rated R movie but the only way that works is to have Carnage involved somehow. I'm thinking fustercluck till more info is out there.
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6:26PM on 03/04/2016
This comment is a guess. However, Deadpool is an edgy superhero successful at the box office recently. Venom is the "lethal protector". Deadpool is like Spider-Man, but he is not Spider-Man. Venom is also the same (as the beloved lucrative character) but different. Deadpool is in Fox's X-verse, but he is not strongly so. Likewise, Venom is going to be part of the MCU, but not really.
Perhaps, Sony wants to emulate Deadpool. The superhero genre keeps looking for rejuvenating ideas to keep
This comment is a guess. However, Deadpool is an edgy superhero successful at the box office recently. Venom is the "lethal protector". Deadpool is like Spider-Man, but he is not Spider-Man. Venom is also the same (as the beloved lucrative character) but different. Deadpool is in Fox's X-verse, but he is not strongly so. Likewise, Venom is going to be part of the MCU, but not really.
Perhaps, Sony wants to emulate Deadpool. The superhero genre keeps looking for rejuvenating ideas to keep itself fresh.
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11:25PM on 03/04/2016
That'd be fine but deadpool has colossus and X men references. This is saying venom won't have that, way I understand it at least
That'd be fine but deadpool has colossus and X men references. This is saying venom won't have that, way I understand it at least
5:56PM on 03/04/2016

Agent Venom

If you're going to do a solo Venom movie, an Agent Venom movie is the way to go. (Flash Thompson)

Have it set in the not so distant future, so that you don't have to neccesarily explain every past Venom host.

If you're going to do a solo Venom movie, an Agent Venom movie is the way to go. (Flash Thompson)

Have it set in the not so distant future, so that you don't have to neccesarily explain every past Venom host.

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6:42PM on 03/04/2016
I would have to agree. Do a version of the Flash Thompson Venom makes more sense. It could still be linked into their current Spiderman without the necessity of it being tied in immediately. Not to mention Sony is still going to produce the solo Spiderman films and they aren't going to necessarily have cameos or tie directly into the larger mcu, so why not do something similar with Venom.
I would have to agree. Do a version of the Flash Thompson Venom makes more sense. It could still be linked into their current Spiderman without the necessity of it being tied in immediately. Not to mention Sony is still going to produce the solo Spiderman films and they aren't going to necessarily have cameos or tie directly into the larger mcu, so why not do something similar with Venom.
7:36PM on 03/04/2016
I agree as well. Agent Venom would definitely work.
I agree as well. Agent Venom would definitely work.
11:21PM on 03/04/2016
Okay agent venom could be really good but in its own universe? Who would really be a threat? I guess the agency who gave it to him but has now kidnapped his girl bc he working kill a child. My first thought was more of a horror film
Okay agent venom could be really good but in its own universe? Who would really be a threat? I guess the agency who gave it to him but has now kidnapped his girl bc he working kill a child. My first thought was more of a horror film
11:23PM on 03/04/2016
Still be cooler in MCU. Mention cap. Don't have to involve Spidey, but can use villains that would be a waste in separate universes or confusing
Still be cooler in MCU. Mention cap. Don't have to involve Spidey, but can use villains that would be a waste in separate universes or confusing
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