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Spoilers: Possible plot details for Star Wars: Episode VII involving Emperor Palpatine's rumored return

Aug. 14, 2013by: Jesse Giroux

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A couple of days ago we brought you word that Ian McDiarmid might return as Emperor Palpatine in STAR WARS: EPISODE VII, and now Latino-Review has some interesting information about the rumor from a reliable source. Some of the details involve the possible plot (remember, none of this has been confirmed) for the new film, so if you want to avoid the spoilers, do not read past the picture of Emperor Palpatine and his dirty finger.

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According to Latino-Review's source, Emperor Palpatine will return in STAR WARS: EPISODE VII. However, he will not be a clone (like in the STAR WARS Extended Universe), nor did he miraculously survive being tossed into a reactor shaft at the end of RETURN OF THE JEDI:

Palpatine comes back as a Force Ghost..like Obi Wan. (Sith Lords learned similar techniques, which in some cases allowed them to physically interact with their environment.)

That isn't that surprising, and many of you correctly guessed that this could be the case when the rumor was originally announced. This next part though (if true), reveals a little bit about why Palpatine might be back in STAR WARS: EPISODE VII:

Palpatine had a new apprentice before he got killed.

If Emperor Palpatine did train an apprentice before he died, will it be a new character or one previously introduced in the film (or comics)? How much will Palpatine be able to interact with the physical world? Will there be a Ghost Force battle between Palpatine and a Jedi? By the way, I'm only half-joking with that last one. If you've got a theory or speculation, feel free to share it below in the Strike Back.

Directed by J.J. Abrams, STAR WARS: EPISODE VII should be in theaters by 2015.

Extra Tidbit: It's probably going to be a little awkward for Force Ghost Palpatine and Darth Vader if they end up running into each other...
Source: Latino-Review

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7:11PM on 08/15/2013

Makes me wonder . . . .

After Anakin met his fate with Obi-Wan, he was really considered as "damaged goods" in the eyes of the Emperor. So it definitely seems plausible for there to be another hidden apprentice somewhere or another powerful Sith Lord working with Sidious deep within the shadows. Sidious had no problem at all killing Luke himself, without giving it a second thought. So it does make me want to believe that he was a very twisted, calculated, & manipulative Sith Lord. Well, whatever the case, I will
After Anakin met his fate with Obi-Wan, he was really considered as "damaged goods" in the eyes of the Emperor. So it definitely seems plausible for there to be another hidden apprentice somewhere or another powerful Sith Lord working with Sidious deep within the shadows. Sidious had no problem at all killing Luke himself, without giving it a second thought. So it does make me want to believe that he was a very twisted, calculated, & manipulative Sith Lord. Well, whatever the case, I will be right there to watch the next movie with ultimate anticipation!!!!!!
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2:55PM on 08/15/2013

Can someone explain . . .

. . . why there can only be 2 Siths? I've only seen the movies and never really understood why there couldn't be more.. In fact, it wasn't until "The Phantom Menace" that it was even mentioned (at least I think). One would think that, if you want to take over the universe, it'd be easier with a group. Now, I do understand that they are selfish and that may play a role, but I've never heard in detail why this rule exists.
. . . why there can only be 2 Siths? I've only seen the movies and never really understood why there couldn't be more.. In fact, it wasn't until "The Phantom Menace" that it was even mentioned (at least I think). One would think that, if you want to take over the universe, it'd be easier with a group. Now, I do understand that they are selfish and that may play a role, but I've never heard in detail why this rule exists.
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9:23PM on 08/17/2013
Darth Bane came up with this idea to keep the Sith from killing each other in power struggles. Bane was also the one to reintroduce the title Darth.

Darth Bane came up with this idea to keep the Sith from killing each other in power struggles. Bane was also the one to reintroduce the title Darth.

9:23PM on 08/17/2013
Darth Bane came up with this idea to keep the Sith from killing each other in power struggles. Bane was also the one to reintroduce the title Darth.

Darth Bane came up with this idea to keep the Sith from killing each other in power struggles. Bane was also the one to reintroduce the title Darth.

6:06AM on 08/15/2013

Spoilers?!

"do not read past the picture of Emperor Palpatine and his dirty finger." - Thanks for this spoiler alert, but you already spoiled it in the title.
"do not read past the picture of Emperor Palpatine and his dirty finger." - Thanks for this spoiler alert, but you already spoiled it in the title.
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8:22AM on 08/15/2013
You probably need to go to a web site that doesn't specialize in production news, pre-production news, and movie spoilers. That's like going to [link] and complaining about the overabundance of cats and baskets.
You probably need to go to a web site that doesn't specialize in production news, pre-production news, and movie spoilers. That's like going to [link] and complaining about the overabundance of cats and baskets.
4:45AM on 08/15/2013
A Force ghost? Wait, the Force has evil inside it? So, when evil Force users die, they still go to Force Heaven? I thought you could only become one with the Force if you were super-good or were redeemed before your death?
A Force ghost? Wait, the Force has evil inside it? So, when evil Force users die, they still go to Force Heaven? I thought you could only become one with the Force if you were super-good or were redeemed before your death?
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11:34AM on 08/15/2013
When did they ever say that in the movies
When did they ever say that in the movies
3:36AM on 08/15/2013

Hologram? Ghost? Meh, same difference right? :p

I kind of hoped he'd be an interactive holocron instead of a ghost. In fact, I'm still hoping that's what it'll be, since half Latino Review's sources probably wouldn't know the difference anyway.
I kind of hoped he'd be an interactive holocron instead of a ghost. In fact, I'm still hoping that's what it'll be, since half Latino Review's sources probably wouldn't know the difference anyway.
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12:56AM on 08/15/2013

eh

a ghost battle? i'm sorry but this sounds incredibly ridiculous even for SW. so one ghost going to kill another ghost... again?
a ghost battle? i'm sorry but this sounds incredibly ridiculous even for SW. so one ghost going to kill another ghost... again?
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8:23AM on 08/15/2013
Which is probably why it was presented as a joke.
Which is probably why it was presented as a joke.
12:54AM on 08/15/2013
Spoiler!? Warning??...We all know his new apprentice will be revealed to be none other than Jar Jar Binks.
Spoiler!? Warning??...We all know his new apprentice will be revealed to be none other than Jar Jar Binks.
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11:34PM on 08/14/2013

What reason would a Sith have to come back as a ghost?

A Jedi makes sense because they want to help the living but Sith are typically selfish so once they've passed on and obviously "Earthly" things would do them no good as a ghost, then why come back?

Revenge? Vader is dead, so that wouldn't be it?
A Jedi makes sense because they want to help the living but Sith are typically selfish so once they've passed on and obviously "Earthly" things would do them no good as a ghost, then why come back?

Revenge? Vader is dead, so that wouldn't be it?
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4:51AM on 08/15/2013
The Sith probably come back as poltergeists, moving people's hologram chess pieces when they're not looking and tipping over their glasses of blue milk, just to fuck with them.
The Sith probably come back as poltergeists, moving people's hologram chess pieces when they're not looking and tipping over their glasses of blue milk, just to fuck with them.
10:12AM on 08/15/2013
Because they are evil?
Because they are evil?
8:19PM on 08/15/2013
Both of those responses seem legit, though I'm guessing martinphipps is probably the more likely scenario.
Both of those responses seem legit, though I'm guessing martinphipps is probably the more likely scenario.
9:39PM on 08/14/2013
If they're going to have the Emperor return in some form or another, please at least let Mara Jade be in this somehow.
If they're going to have the Emperor return in some form or another, please at least let Mara Jade be in this somehow.
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1:00AM on 08/15/2013
As long as they don't use the Yuuzhan Vong, because they are LAME-O!
As long as they don't use the Yuuzhan Vong, because they are LAME-O!
9:39PM on 08/14/2013

An honest question about Episode III

At the opera, Palpatine tells Anakin that Darth Plagus taught his apprentice (him) everything he knew, including stopping people from dying. Obviously this convinces Anakin to turn to save Padme, but when he does Palpatine says they can find a way to stop death. So did Palpatine lie to Anakin to bring him to the dark side, never really having the answer to stop death? Also, what makes the story even more tragic is that at the end, we learn that Yoda and Qui-Gon's spirit found a way to extend
At the opera, Palpatine tells Anakin that Darth Plagus taught his apprentice (him) everything he knew, including stopping people from dying. Obviously this convinces Anakin to turn to save Padme, but when he does Palpatine says they can find a way to stop death. So did Palpatine lie to Anakin to bring him to the dark side, never really having the answer to stop death? Also, what makes the story even more tragic is that at the end, we learn that Yoda and Qui-Gon's spirit found a way to extend life (the force ghost), so maybe is Anakin stayed on the light side maybe he could have still saved Padme. Am I reading too much into it? Did anyone else pick up on that, or am I just crazy?
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3:21AM on 08/15/2013
" So did Palpatine lie to Anakin to bring him to the dark side?"

Short answer: yes.

Long answer: uh...duh. He's the fucking Lord of the Sith AND he's a politician. Lying is his way of life!
" So did Palpatine lie to Anakin to bring him to the dark side?"

Short answer: yes.

Long answer: uh...duh. He's the fucking Lord of the Sith AND he's a politician. Lying is his way of life!
8:48PM on 08/14/2013

GHOST FORCE or TRAINED SITH.... PLAUSIBLE BUT FLIMSY

I'd like REALLY hope that the writers aren't going to go either way and insult the intelligence of the SW fanbase. Personally, I'd like to see Resurrection of the Sith. Palpatine is dead but his teachings live on and are passed along much like they were passed along to him. He wasn't the first Sith nor the most powerful. If Luke has indeed become a powerful Jedi and trained new Jedi, why couldn't the Sith? I think this Palpatine news is all a smoke screen. I can imagine a rising up a
I'd like REALLY hope that the writers aren't going to go either way and insult the intelligence of the SW fanbase. Personally, I'd like to see Resurrection of the Sith. Palpatine is dead but his teachings live on and are passed along much like they were passed along to him. He wasn't the first Sith nor the most powerful. If Luke has indeed become a powerful Jedi and trained new Jedi, why couldn't the Sith? I think this Palpatine news is all a smoke screen. I can imagine a rising up a Sith-like group causing havoc along some of the out lying systems much like the Rebel forces did. I can also see Han and Luke stumbling across a plot to destabilize the Rebel Alliance formed after the fall of the Empire. Of course with sub-plots of Han and Leia's children getting into trouble and testing their Jedi powers in all the wrong places, even possible stumbling across the Sith accidently. I just think its totally blatant to overuse or reuse old Sith.
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8:40PM on 08/14/2013

another aprentice makes sense

this would explain the Emperor's absence in A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back (except for the holographic video call the Emperor placed to Vader) of course the Emperor was off training another Sith Lord, Darth Vader had obviously finished his Sith training before A New Hope had even started.. there is a 20 year gap between Revenge of the Sith and A New Hope right? there's plenty of time to explain why the Emperor was not with Darth Vader.
Now for the Force Ghost? hmmm... ok I'm neutral on
this would explain the Emperor's absence in A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back (except for the holographic video call the Emperor placed to Vader) of course the Emperor was off training another Sith Lord, Darth Vader had obviously finished his Sith training before A New Hope had even started.. there is a 20 year gap between Revenge of the Sith and A New Hope right? there's plenty of time to explain why the Emperor was not with Darth Vader.
Now for the Force Ghost? hmmm... ok I'm neutral on that one... it's convenient and contrived and I expected much more from JJ Abrams.
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10:19PM on 08/14/2013
But in The Phantom Menace Yoda says "There is always two, a master and an apprentice." It would actually be difficult for a sith to have more than one apprentice because the two apprentices could gang up and kill him and then the two apprentices would fight amongst themselves over who gets to be the master. Presumably the master gets to enjoy life while the apprentice is the toady. When Luke came along, Palpatine saw that he could potentially be more powerful than his father in which case
But in The Phantom Menace Yoda says "There is always two, a master and an apprentice." It would actually be difficult for a sith to have more than one apprentice because the two apprentices could gang up and kill him and then the two apprentices would fight amongst themselves over who gets to be the master. Presumably the master gets to enjoy life while the apprentice is the toady. When Luke came along, Palpatine saw that he could potentially be more powerful than his father in which case he didn't need Vader anymore. Vader likewise saw Luke as an opportunity to kill the emperor and finally become the master with his son presumably being loyal to him. Vader could finally enjoy a life of leisure while Luke took up the job of ruling the galaxy.

No, a second apprentice would not make a lot of sense. Is it possible that Palpatine knew of others who were strong in the force and didn't even tell Vader? Yes, of course. And if thirty years pass between Episodes VI and VII could Palpatine's ghost have time to train this person to become a new sith worthy of going up against an aging Luke and his children? Obviously. In fact, I would argue that the absence of a sith master to take over after Palpatine died meant that the force was "unbalanced" unless Palpatine were able to come back as a ghost.
3:27AM on 08/15/2013
martin - there's no way Palpatine *ever* truly followed the Rule of Two. He was trying to get his hands on Anakin long before Maul died in Ep1. And meanwhile Dooku is not only super old, but turned to the Dark Side ages before Ep1 even started. There's no way Palpatine waited until Maul died to take Dooku on as an apprentice, and there's no way he'd just give up Maul AND Dooku were he to have snatched up Anakin before the Jedi.

The guy had as much respect for Sith tradition as he had for
martin - there's no way Palpatine *ever* truly followed the Rule of Two. He was trying to get his hands on Anakin long before Maul died in Ep1. And meanwhile Dooku is not only super old, but turned to the Dark Side ages before Ep1 even started. There's no way Palpatine waited until Maul died to take Dooku on as an apprentice, and there's no way he'd just give up Maul AND Dooku were he to have snatched up Anakin before the Jedi.

The guy had as much respect for Sith tradition as he had for the Republic. ie: zero respect. In fact, I would argue that it would take a Sith Lord who is willing to disrespect Sith Traditions to ever bring the order out of the shadows Darth Bane was forced into millennia ago.
10:18AM on 08/15/2013
Dooku was not Palpatine's apprentice: he was already trained as a jedi and turned to the dark side (presumably) all by himself. And Anakin was too young in Ep 1 to become a sith lord so he still needed Darth Maul.
Dooku was not Palpatine's apprentice: he was already trained as a jedi and turned to the dark side (presumably) all by himself. And Anakin was too young in Ep 1 to become a sith lord so he still needed Darth Maul.
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8:18PM on 08/14/2013

Just putting this out there

If Palpatine is coming back as a force ghost, then couldn't Anakin Skywalker be coming back also? Hayden Christensen played him in the DVD releases. Could he be coming back to the series too??
If Palpatine is coming back as a force ghost, then couldn't Anakin Skywalker be coming back also? Hayden Christensen played him in the DVD releases. Could he be coming back to the series too??
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8:33PM on 08/14/2013
I would actually be cool with that. I think Hayden has a lot more acting potential in the hands of a better actor's director like Abrams. Though I'm not sure if Disney would chance the backlash from hardcore Original Trilogy purists to satisfy Prequel and Clone Wars. I'd say though that the popularity of Anakin action figures in toy stores is probably a better indicator of the character's popularity than a sampling of internet comment sections.
I would actually be cool with that. I think Hayden has a lot more acting potential in the hands of a better actor's director like Abrams. Though I'm not sure if Disney would chance the backlash from hardcore Original Trilogy purists to satisfy Prequel and Clone Wars. I'd say though that the popularity of Anakin action figures in toy stores is probably a better indicator of the character's popularity than a sampling of internet comment sections.
8:17PM on 08/14/2013

Darth Maul...

Darth Maul would probably be the smartest choice to bring back. Disney is going to be walking a fine line between trying to satisfy fans of both trilogies and Clone Wars and Darth Maul is not only an important fan favorite element of the Prequels and Clone Wars, but also one of the few elements of the Prequels that hardcore Original Trilogy purists would likely have less of a problem with. Plus it's pretty much a given considering...

***Clone Wars Season 5 Spoilers***




...Palpatine
Darth Maul would probably be the smartest choice to bring back. Disney is going to be walking a fine line between trying to satisfy fans of both trilogies and Clone Wars and Darth Maul is not only an important fan favorite element of the Prequels and Clone Wars, but also one of the few elements of the Prequels that hardcore Original Trilogy purists would likely have less of a problem with. Plus it's pretty much a given considering...

***Clone Wars Season 5 Spoilers***




...Palpatine spares Darth Maul's life and teases that he has other plans for him in the future. It would make sense, with that loose end being left unresolved at the show's conclusion, that Lucas might have included that as a plot line in his Sequel Trilogy treatments.
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8:25PM on 08/14/2013
There is no way they will bring him back. He was honestly the only thing I enjoyed about the prequels, and they screwed that right up, but they have some kind of bizarre loyalty to Lucas--even though the prequels are widely regarded as pretty awful films-- and seem intent on honoring his version of events.

I hope not. I hope you're right. They could go back and remake the Episode. I-III into something actually good for all I care, but I wouldn't hold my breath for Maul.
There is no way they will bring him back. He was honestly the only thing I enjoyed about the prequels, and they screwed that right up, but they have some kind of bizarre loyalty to Lucas--even though the prequels are widely regarded as pretty awful films-- and seem intent on honoring his version of events.

I hope not. I hope you're right. They could go back and remake the Episode. I-III into something actually good for all I care, but I wouldn't hold my breath for Maul.
7:37PM on 08/14/2013

No offense to Latino-Review or their source...But

This is by far the stupidest fucking idea I've ever heard of regarding Episode 7...and we're still in the "you should take this news w/ a grain of salt" rumor phase.

It was made pretty clear (after the ending of "Revenge Of The Sith" & futher stories) that being able to willingly deliver your consciousness from the living world to that of the force (and still be able to communicate w/ the still living) was what Qui-Gon taught Yoda who then taught it to Obi-Wan.

It's *this* fact, in
This is by far the stupidest fucking idea I've ever heard of regarding Episode 7...and we're still in the "you should take this news w/ a grain of salt" rumor phase.

It was made pretty clear (after the ending of "Revenge Of The Sith" & futher stories) that being able to willingly deliver your consciousness from the living world to that of the force (and still be able to communicate w/ the still living) was what Qui-Gon taught Yoda who then taught it to Obi-Wan.

It's *this* fact, in canon, is how to truly cheat death & achieve immortality. The Sith (Plaguis, Sidious & Vader) had it all wrong.

Palpatine as a force-ghost. Bullshit. Unless J.J. Abrams wants to screw up continuity (which is nothing new to the Star Wars universe...but now that Lucas is gone, "Canon" seems to be something the filmmakers are keen to respect) then I hope this "secret return" is scrapped.
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8:26PM on 08/14/2013
Totally agree. This is an astoundingly dumb idea. For numerous reasons.
Totally agree. This is an astoundingly dumb idea. For numerous reasons.
7:27PM on 08/14/2013
I like the idea of Palpatine secretly training an apprentice unbeknown to Vader (it would show just how evil he truly was). Plus, it would create an interesting dynamic to see who Palpatine would trust so much that he'd be willing to break the rule of two.
I like the idea of Palpatine secretly training an apprentice unbeknown to Vader (it would show just how evil he truly was). Plus, it would create an interesting dynamic to see who Palpatine would trust so much that he'd be willing to break the rule of two.
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7:00PM on 08/14/2013
I'm going to be a little disappointed if Darth Maul or one of his kin is not in an upcoming sequel
I'm going to be a little disappointed if Darth Maul or one of his kin is not in an upcoming sequel
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8:26AM on 08/15/2013
I'd rather take a good story and casting of actors who have chemistry and ability to convincingly deliver their lines... over Darth Maul. But sure, that would be nice too.
I'd rather take a good story and casting of actors who have chemistry and ability to convincingly deliver their lines... over Darth Maul. But sure, that would be nice too.
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6:34PM on 08/14/2013
If the apprentice is Mara Jade, I'd be forever grateful to those in charge of making this!
If the apprentice is Mara Jade, I'd be forever grateful to those in charge of making this!
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6:24PM on 08/14/2013
Isn't the Ghost force of the Jedis some kind of reward for a long life of training on the good side of the force?? I was sure it was a exclusive thing of the Jedis.
Isn't the Ghost force of the Jedis some kind of reward for a long life of training on the good side of the force?? I was sure it was a exclusive thing of the Jedis.
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8:26PM on 08/14/2013
All Yoda says is that Qui-gon has returned from the netherworld of the force and he wants Obi-wan to communicate with him while in exile and do some training. It's never explicitly stated that only Jedi's can do it or that you have to be taught how to do it. Otherwise, how would Anakin have come back? My assumption is that the training Yoda is talking about is to gain an understanding of the Living Force, a more quasi hippy style of force use that Qui-gon practiced, which lead to Qui-gon's
All Yoda says is that Qui-gon has returned from the netherworld of the force and he wants Obi-wan to communicate with him while in exile and do some training. It's never explicitly stated that only Jedi's can do it or that you have to be taught how to do it. Otherwise, how would Anakin have come back? My assumption is that the training Yoda is talking about is to gain an understanding of the Living Force, a more quasi hippy style of force use that Qui-gon practiced, which lead to Qui-gon's frequent defiance of the Jedi's more dogmatic, narrow views. This would actually explain the difference in teaching style Obi-wan and Yoda use on Luke compared to Anakin.
6:19PM on 08/14/2013
If you pay careful attention at the end of return of the jedi you will see that he had an ewok padawan apprentice, I expect the entire theme of episode 7 will be an ewok revenge theme targeted at khan for standing them on that stupid planet..
If you pay careful attention at the end of return of the jedi you will see that he had an ewok padawan apprentice, I expect the entire theme of episode 7 will be an ewok revenge theme targeted at khan for standing them on that stupid planet..
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6:14PM on 08/14/2013

Mara Jade!

The Emperors Hand....She was trying to fulfill the emperors last command after he died, that is where the ghost will come in.
The Emperors Hand....She was trying to fulfill the emperors last command after he died, that is where the ghost will come in.
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6:10PM on 08/14/2013

They need to bring back

DARTH MAUL! By far the most bad ass character in the Star Wars Universe and they killed him like a bitch. Then to add insult to injury they let that jerkoff Jar Jar Binks live...bring back Maul!!!
DARTH MAUL! By far the most bad ass character in the Star Wars Universe and they killed him like a bitch. Then to add insult to injury they let that jerkoff Jar Jar Binks live...bring back Maul!!!
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6:07PM on 08/14/2013
Emperor was one of the few good things in the prequels. I'm down with seeing him again. Plus the emperor doesn't come off as a all his eggs in one basket kind of Sith Lord. So him having an apprentice squirreled away somewhere isn't a ridiculous idea. Shit have it be Darth Maul if they brought him back in the cartoons they could do it on the big screen.
Emperor was one of the few good things in the prequels. I'm down with seeing him again. Plus the emperor doesn't come off as a all his eggs in one basket kind of Sith Lord. So him having an apprentice squirreled away somewhere isn't a ridiculous idea. Shit have it be Darth Maul if they brought him back in the cartoons they could do it on the big screen.
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5:55PM on 08/14/2013

Eat a bag of dicks

The Force Ghost thing is OK, but THE APPRENTICE ANGLE DOESN'T WORK. He was anticipating something happening to Vader, so he was trying to get Luke, doesn't reason he would have ANOTHER gaddamned apprentice.
Just give us a new story. New characters.
The Force Ghost thing is OK, but THE APPRENTICE ANGLE DOESN'T WORK. He was anticipating something happening to Vader, so he was trying to get Luke, doesn't reason he would have ANOTHER gaddamned apprentice.
Just give us a new story. New characters.
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5:56PM on 08/14/2013
You're not a nice person, man.....
You're not a nice person, man.....
6:26PM on 08/14/2013
Haha- why not? I'm fired up about SW
Haha- why not? I'm fired up about SW
7:02PM on 08/14/2013
Oh the bag of dicks... forgot about that
Oh the bag of dicks... forgot about that
8:20PM on 08/14/2013
You're totally right, though. What kind of fucking sense does it make? He was trying to replace Vader with Luke. He wasn't setting up apprentices like fucking McDonalds franchises.
You're totally right, though. What kind of fucking sense does it make? He was trying to replace Vader with Luke. He wasn't setting up apprentices like fucking McDonalds franchises.
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5:46PM on 08/14/2013
So will Obi Wan, Anakin, Yoda, and maybe Quigon going to just beat the Force ghost shit out of Sidious? Don't see why they wouldn't... wouldn't be much of a plot point though. More of a quick cameo.
So will Obi Wan, Anakin, Yoda, and maybe Quigon going to just beat the Force ghost shit out of Sidious? Don't see why they wouldn't... wouldn't be much of a plot point though. More of a quick cameo.
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5:39PM on 08/14/2013

In the wonderful words of Darth Vader from Episode III......

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
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