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11.12.2015

If you were somehow hoping that David Ayer's upcoming SUICIDE SQUAD would find itself slapped with an R rating, I've got some bad news for you. SUICIDE SQUAD producer Charles Roven confirmed the film's PG-13 rating while speaking with Collider, but followed that up by saying that the production would be pushing the rating to its limits.

The intention of the film is definitely to be PG-13… We really want to make these films tonally consistent so that, as I said because this is a shared universe, at least our current thinking—and again, we’re not dealing in absolutes because while this is business it’s also a creative endeavor, so you want to leave yourself open to changing your mind, doing something different, being inspired, that’s the whole process of filmmaking is you have to allow for inspiration as well as having a road map for what you’re gonna do. So our plan right now is to make all these films PG-13. In some cases, you know, right there on the edge of PG-13, but still PG-13.

It seems clear that SUICIDE SQUAD won't be hampered by its rating as studios have been able to get away with some very surprising displays of violence under a PG-13 for many years. One of the characters who will undoubtedly push SUICIDE SQUAD's darkness to the extreme will be Jared Leto's Joker. Charles Roven discussed Leto's devotion to the role, which included sending dead animals to cast members and isolating himself from the "heroes".

Look, you know, it was different, it was fun. The group first wasn’t sure because the AD’s had to call him ‘Mr. J’ to get him to come to the set [laughs]. And he did in many ways isolate himself from the rest of the group, but that’s really what his character was, the purpose of his character in many ways, other than when he was with Harley or trying to get Harley. It was very entertaining, it was fuel for a lot of good sport and a lot of laughs, and his isolation bonded the squad, and we wanted the squad bonded.

Roven went on to say that the SUICIDE SQUAD set "was one of the most fun sets ever. I’ve been doing this for a while, and the camaraderie that was built on that set—everybody couldn’t wait for the next day to come back to work.” Seeing as how the whole cast got matching "skwad" tattoos, I don't have any trouble believing him.

SUICIDE SQUAD will hit theaters on August 5, 2016.

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Source: Collider

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11:08AM on 11/13/2015
Everyone who thinks they should go for an R rating is crazy. There's no way any of these huge movies are going to limit their audience like that, and that's how it should be. There WILL be toys, there WILL be all of that shit, and there needs to be. These aren't art house movies, they're money making machines out of necessity if they're going to produce a ton of films centered around it. One trip to Target will show you how any broad appeal franchise makes long-term money.
Everyone who thinks they should go for an R rating is crazy. There's no way any of these huge movies are going to limit their audience like that, and that's how it should be. There WILL be toys, there WILL be all of that shit, and there needs to be. These aren't art house movies, they're money making machines out of necessity if they're going to produce a ton of films centered around it. One trip to Target will show you how any broad appeal franchise makes long-term money.
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3:10PM on 11/13/2015
I remember when they sold toys for Robocop, Aliens, and Terminator.

Those were the days. Then came the politicians and parents activists groups that had nothing better to do.
I remember when they sold toys for Robocop, Aliens, and Terminator.

Those were the days. Then came the politicians and parents activists groups that had nothing better to do.
10:02AM on 11/13/2015

Who gives a crap what the rating is?

Either way we are getting Emo Joker, isn't that bad enough?
Either way we are getting Emo Joker, isn't that bad enough?
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9:55AM on 11/13/2015

I don't understand why this must be rated-R?

Sure, all the characters are pretty bad people, but how does that warrant an R-rating? Not enough fans could show up to this thing and guarantee it making at least $100 domestically. And regarding Leto's Joker. Fans will complain if he looks too much like the comic Joker because it makes them think the creators couldn't create something original, if the Joker is too much of a departure from the comics or previous iterations, then the creators have taken too many liberties with the character.
Sure, all the characters are pretty bad people, but how does that warrant an R-rating? Not enough fans could show up to this thing and guarantee it making at least $100 domestically. And regarding Leto's Joker. Fans will complain if he looks too much like the comic Joker because it makes them think the creators couldn't create something original, if the Joker is too much of a departure from the comics or previous iterations, then the creators have taken too many liberties with the character. Give me a break. Leto looks like the Joker. He has white skin, love for purple attire, and has some insane antics. That's what the Joker is to me. I ignored the "damaged" tattoo just like I ignored Ledger's make up wearing.
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3:24AM on 11/13/2015
R-rating or not, this Joker still looks stupid as fuck. Ledger's Joker was controversial in the beginning, but at least he always looked scary and timeless. This Joker looks like something fashion industry tards dreamed up, "Ed Hardy is so in right now!"
R-rating or not, this Joker still looks stupid as fuck. Ledger's Joker was controversial in the beginning, but at least he always looked scary and timeless. This Joker looks like something fashion industry tards dreamed up, "Ed Hardy is so in right now!"
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1:35AM on 11/13/2015
I'm with razgriz21. Just go for the R. You know kids are going to sneak in anyway.
I'm with razgriz21. Just go for the R. You know kids are going to sneak in anyway.
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1:32AM on 11/13/2015
Go for an R. The fans will show up regardless.

BTW, you can't get away with anything with a PG-13. It's all sanitized now.
Go for an R. The fans will show up regardless.

BTW, you can't get away with anything with a PG-13. It's all sanitized now.
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1:29AM on 11/13/2015

I hope it does...

push the PG-13 limits. Sometimes PG-13 films can work and in the end you are like WTF that was PG-13 I've seen a few before. Ratings don't matter its the substance and the way you present the film.
push the PG-13 limits. Sometimes PG-13 films can work and in the end you are like WTF that was PG-13 I've seen a few before. Ratings don't matter its the substance and the way you present the film.
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10:53PM on 11/12/2015
Lame

(I say that knowing full well this is STILL my most anticipated of next year... 2nd is of course ID4-R!)
Lame

(I say that knowing full well this is STILL my most anticipated of next year... 2nd is of course ID4-R!)
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9:52PM on 11/12/2015

So basically what he's saying is ...

So basically what he's saying is "We'll wait and see how Marvel does with an R Rated Deadpool and then if that works for them we'll do an R Rated film too."
So basically what he's saying is "We'll wait and see how Marvel does with an R Rated Deadpool and then if that works for them we'll do an R Rated film too."
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8:42PM on 11/12/2015
As long as it's the same limits that were pushed in the Dark Knight, then this should be no problem. I do wonder though how DC would pull off a Lobo film though.
As long as it's the same limits that were pushed in the Dark Knight, then this should be no problem. I do wonder though how DC would pull off a Lobo film though.
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8:30PM on 11/12/2015
It's amazing how much the DC animated movies get away with - I had my wife scolding me when I let the kids watch Batman: Assault on Arkham. I really don't think this should be a problem for anyone and it won't be what makes this movie good...or bad.
It's amazing how much the DC animated movies get away with - I had my wife scolding me when I let the kids watch Batman: Assault on Arkham. I really don't think this should be a problem for anyone and it won't be what makes this movie good...or bad.
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8:45PM on 11/12/2015
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Well, Batman: Assault on Arkham isn't quite movie materials for kid. But hey, if I were a kid now, I'd enjoy a heck out of that movie. It's actually good fun but I'm surprised they'd put the love scene in the movie.
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Well, Batman: Assault on Arkham isn't quite movie materials for kid. But hey, if I were a kid now, I'd enjoy a heck out of that movie. It's actually good fun but I'm surprised they'd put the love scene in the movie.
8:29PM on 11/12/2015
I don't think this film needs to be any darker than the Dark Knight films, which did well with the PG-13 rating. I'm not even sure how much the joker is in this film, but I thought it wasn't much.
I don't think this film needs to be any darker than the Dark Knight films, which did well with the PG-13 rating. I'm not even sure how much the joker is in this film, but I thought it wasn't much.
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8:22PM on 11/12/2015
R-rating is still better though...
R-rating is still better though...
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