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Talk of two Hobbits

04.18.2009

When it was initially announced that filmmaker Guillermo del Toro was entering the Shire for back-to-back HOBBIT movies, it was stated that he'd be doing an adaptation of Tolkein's book and then a "bridge" movie that would deal with the 60-year period between THE HOBBIT and FELLOWSHIP.

That might not be entirely accurate, as Guillermo now tells Empire: "We’ve decided to have The Hobbit span the two movies, including the White Council and the comings and goings of Gandalf to Dol Guldur."

Producer and LOTR adapter Peter Jackson succinctly adds: "We decided it would be a mistake to try to cram everything into one movie."

That still leaves the question of the additional material the duo was planning to adapt, and precisely how they'll split the story so that it feels organic when one movie ends and the next begins. The first movie is due December 2011.

Extra Tidbit: I haven't read the book since grade school, so all you Tolkein diehards out there will have to speculate on where that transition could/should occur.
Source: Empire

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6:46AM on 04/20/2009

"pure tolkein"

Crookman -- I see the point you're making, in that the fully detailed stories that occurred outside the Hobbit narrative aren't ever written down by JRRT, but I also wouldn't mind some creative licence.

Example: Gandalf references finding Thrain in Dol Goldur. But that whole scene could take 15 minutes of movie time. What does Dol Goldur look like? How many other prisoners are there? What guards them (Balrogs??)? I think the movie makers can expand on JRRT's ideas without causing harm
Crookman -- I see the point you're making, in that the fully detailed stories that occurred outside the Hobbit narrative aren't ever written down by JRRT, but I also wouldn't mind some creative licence.

Example: Gandalf references finding Thrain in Dol Goldur. But that whole scene could take 15 minutes of movie time. What does Dol Goldur look like? How many other prisoners are there? What guards them (Balrogs??)? I think the movie makers can expand on JRRT's ideas without causing harm to the mythology.
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2:15AM on 04/20/2009

Rubberboy

That was posted on April Fools Day. If you look on the tags on the bottom of that article, one of the is "Fool".
That was posted on April Fools Day. If you look on the tags on the bottom of that article, one of the is "Fool".
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2:21PM on 04/19/2009
Awesome. I don't really care how they do it. There's no way this will not be awesome.

Now, please cast Martin Freeman!!!
Awesome. I don't really care how they do it. There's no way this will not be awesome.

Now, please cast Martin Freeman!!!
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8:16PM on 04/18/2009

mcavoy baggins

Freeman might make a good Baggins, but i believe McAvoy would make a better one.
Freeman might make a good Baggins, but i believe McAvoy would make a better one.
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1:03PM on 04/18/2009

Get Rolling

I can't wait for this, and please, please, please cast Martin Freeman as Bilbo!!!
I can't wait for this, and please, please, please cast Martin Freeman as Bilbo!!!
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12:59PM on 04/18/2009
Sounds perfect to me and makes perfect sense... The Hobbit had way too much going on to cram it into one 3 hour movie.

Kinda like how in the movies, Boromir dies at the battle of Amon Hen in Fellowship of the Ring, yet that happens in the Two Towers book... same thing with Shelob's Lair.. that leaves you hanging at the end of the Two Towers book, not at the beginning of the Return of the King movie.

Shit works better in films different ways from books so.. I put all my faith and trust in
Sounds perfect to me and makes perfect sense... The Hobbit had way too much going on to cram it into one 3 hour movie.

Kinda like how in the movies, Boromir dies at the battle of Amon Hen in Fellowship of the Ring, yet that happens in the Two Towers book... same thing with Shelob's Lair.. that leaves you hanging at the end of the Two Towers book, not at the beginning of the Return of the King movie.

Shit works better in films different ways from books so.. I put all my faith and trust in these 2
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12:57PM on 04/18/2009

make it pure tolkien

drexxell, I hope they don't put any pre- nor post-Hobbit material into it, but rather stick to the the material contained in the book. That they allow all the scenes described in the book time to breathe on the screen, rather than edit out parts as they usually do in adaptations. The Hobbit is one of the best told stories ever, they should respect it and stick closely to it.
Same with dwarf tossing, emjoi, they just don't need to add any excessive goofiness like Jackson did a bit of in Lotr...
drexxell, I hope they don't put any pre- nor post-Hobbit material into it, but rather stick to the the material contained in the book. That they allow all the scenes described in the book time to breathe on the screen, rather than edit out parts as they usually do in adaptations. The Hobbit is one of the best told stories ever, they should respect it and stick closely to it.
Same with dwarf tossing, emjoi, they just don't need to add any excessive goofiness like Jackson did a bit of in Lotr...
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12:13PM on 04/18/2009

good news

i like the lofr movies jackson is great and del torro rocks
i like the lofr movies jackson is great and del torro rocks
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10:17AM on 04/18/2009

3rd Hobbit Movie

I went to onering.net and they had a post stating:

why havent we heard anything about the Hobbit movies and the answer to that was that Del Toro and Jackson were in negotiations for a 3rd Hobbit/ bridge movie so one can only hope that this is true.... The more the merrier.
I went to onering.net and they had a post stating:

why havent we heard anything about the Hobbit movies and the answer to that was that Del Toro and Jackson were in negotiations for a 3rd Hobbit/ bridge movie so one can only hope that this is true.... The more the merrier.
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9:32AM on 04/18/2009
So what this means is rather than putting in POST-Hobbit material, there is going to be a lot of PRE-Hobbit material. And I like this. If this is the case, we can easily (EASILY) have a full hour before Gandalf even knocks on Bilbo's door the first time. (We could see:

Bilbo as a child, enjoying Gandalf's fireworks, for example. Or we could go WAY back and see the Witch King of Angmar's rise....The splitting of the two kingdoms (Gondor/Arnor), etc etc. There is just so much there, that
So what this means is rather than putting in POST-Hobbit material, there is going to be a lot of PRE-Hobbit material. And I like this. If this is the case, we can easily (EASILY) have a full hour before Gandalf even knocks on Bilbo's door the first time. (We could see:

Bilbo as a child, enjoying Gandalf's fireworks, for example. Or we could go WAY back and see the Witch King of Angmar's rise....The splitting of the two kingdoms (Gondor/Arnor), etc etc. There is just so much there, that they run the risk of doing a "silmarillion movie" if they push too far back for history.

With that in mind, the breaking point will fall likely inside The Hobbit itself. I'd say that the finding of the ring, the escape out of the Misty Mountains, the house of Beorn and finally the first steps into Mirkwood would be where the first movie ends.
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2:08AM on 04/18/2009

Dwarf Tossing

Bear in mind that a running gag in the book is doing horrible things to dwarves.
Putting them in barrels and so forth.

You have to expect a bit of Dwarf comedy.
Bear in mind that a running gag in the book is doing horrible things to dwarves.
Putting them in barrels and so forth.

You have to expect a bit of Dwarf comedy.
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1:55AM on 04/18/2009

Might We Be Getting Three...

...films chronicling the further adventures of the wee Shire folk? I'm game for a new trilogy! Scholars will soon have a field day comparing the highs and lows of George Lucas' six Star Wars films to Jackson's six Tolkien adapations. Rich George, poor George.
...films chronicling the further adventures of the wee Shire folk? I'm game for a new trilogy! Scholars will soon have a field day comparing the highs and lows of George Lucas' six Star Wars films to Jackson's six Tolkien adapations. Rich George, poor George.
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1:29AM on 04/18/2009
and then they can always go back later and make another film bridging the lost years...if there really is enough of Tolkien's own writings to base that on.
and then they can always go back later and make another film bridging the lost years...if there really is enough of Tolkien's own writings to base that on.
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1:27AM on 04/18/2009

Good

The Hobbit should be as unmeddled with as possible, and taking two films to tell the whole story sounds very promising. Just hope DelToro stears Jakcson and co away from adding anything cheesy like dwarf-tossing.
The Hobbit should be as unmeddled with as possible, and taking two films to tell the whole story sounds very promising. Just hope DelToro stears Jakcson and co away from adding anything cheesy like dwarf-tossing.
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