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05.01.2015

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If you're one of the select few who have managed to avoid the latest spoilers on TERMINATOR: GENISYS, and you're looking to avoid them, two things: For one, word is that the spoilery TERMINATOR trailer is running in front of AVENGERS: AGE OF UlTRON, so be wary! And two, don't read the rest of this article! The newest poster definitely spills those beans, and we'll be discussing it later down. This is your chance to turn away, remain blissfully unaware and try to enjoy the film and its story in the theater where it was meant to be . . . ahem, experienced.

Now then, the newest TERMINATOR: GENISYS poster has arrived (you'll find that at the bottom of the article) and it also gives away the fact that John Connor has become "one with the Terminators." Despite the knowledge that people know the history of the first Terminator film will be altered (a la STAR TREK), there are certain plot points or character motivations that should remain intact. The mythos of John Connor becoming the great military leader is one of the driving and haunting facts about the Terminator franchise. It's what gives the characters their depth. Sarah struggles with her knowledge of the future, and to become the mother that the leader of the human resistance needs. Meanwhile, John lives his whole life carrying this weight on his shoulders, only to rise to the challenge. It's compelling stuff, and GENISYS is looking to take a nice steamy crap on it. It's the equivalent of Spock announcing that he's Khan in STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS.

I'm not going to get into any more spoilers about the film, but they're out there for those who want to read up on it. Suffice it to say that GENISYS absolutely changes the game, and I have a feeling fans will be none too pleased. Of course, I could be wrong and perhaps director Alan Taylor (THOR: THE DARK WORLD) crafted something really interesting and great in GENISYS, but I wouldn't wouldn't bet on it. Nor do I blame him for the story's direction. Rather, I'm more upset at Paramount for even being so bold as to give this much away.

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Believe it or not, if we're going by statistics, audiences like to be aware of the story they're going to see before they see it. Maybe marketing had planned the John reveal since the beginning, or maybe they felt their early trailers were too weak to really bring in audiences. Regardless, there's a fine line of showing too little and too much. Being the fans that we are, we watch most of the trailers and TV spots that come are way, but always question if a preview is giving away the best gags or the most exciting action set-pieces. On the other hand, you have films like TOMORROWLAND where no one really knows what the hell is going on. It's a tightrope, for sure. At the end of the day, if the movie is great, does it even matter? It's not like we don't know the story of STAR WARS before watching it for the 100th time. Experiencing a story for the first time is just one aspect to enjoy about a film. It's the greatness of the characters and the execution that keep us coming back.

In the case of GENISYS, I do feel they've gone too far. With ticket prices being what they are, no one wants to feel like they've experienced everything a film has to offer before walking into the theater. What I want to know is what you all think. Do you think Paramount has been too bold with GENISYS? Which films do you feel like have been spoiled for you, and which trailers do you think are doing a film justice?

TERMINATOR: GENISYS will open on July 1, 2015.

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3:58PM on 05/02/2015

doesn't matter

My interest level before the spoiler reveal about JC: 10%
My interest level after the spoiler reveal about JC: 10%

Very unlikely I was going to see it anyway. If I do it may be as a rental one day.
My interest level before the spoiler reveal about JC: 10%
My interest level after the spoiler reveal about JC: 10%

Very unlikely I was going to see it anyway. If I do it may be as a rental one day.
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12:10PM on 05/02/2015
Reminds me of that time they revealed that Schwarzenegger was playing a *good* Terminator in that one movie...what was it?...oh yeah, T2. It didn't seem to hurt that movie...once you saw it.
Reminds me of that time they revealed that Schwarzenegger was playing a *good* Terminator in that one movie...what was it?...oh yeah, T2. It didn't seem to hurt that movie...once you saw it.
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11:38AM on 05/02/2015
The real twist is that John Connor is a Terminator because Courtney-Reese is a Terminator infiltration unit sent back through time to impregnate Sarah Connor with the saviour of Skynet before Biehn-Reese can impregnate her with the saviour of humanity.
The real twist is that John Connor is a Terminator because Courtney-Reese is a Terminator infiltration unit sent back through time to impregnate Sarah Connor with the saviour of Skynet before Biehn-Reese can impregnate her with the saviour of humanity.
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9:18AM on 05/02/2015
This does all feel like the filmmakers are just throwing the entire plot out there because of the negative reactions to the tidbits released initially. It feels like desperation.
This does all feel like the filmmakers are just throwing the entire plot out there because of the negative reactions to the tidbits released initially. It feels like desperation.
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5:50AM on 05/02/2015
I still can't get over the horrible title. I am actually ok with how much is being spoiled. I am more on the line with Soloist, in that they're has to be an even bigger twist or why would so much be revealed already. Spoilers don't really bother me anymore. I mean I already know the entire plot of Age of Ultron, even who dies, another web site literally went over the movie scene by scene. What can I say I got bored but couldn't stop from reading the article. The movie going experience for me
I still can't get over the horrible title. I am actually ok with how much is being spoiled. I am more on the line with Soloist, in that they're has to be an even bigger twist or why would so much be revealed already. Spoilers don't really bother me anymore. I mean I already know the entire plot of Age of Ultron, even who dies, another web site literally went over the movie scene by scene. What can I say I got bored but couldn't stop from reading the article. The movie going experience for me has changed so much already. I used to go every weekend back in the day. Nowadays I can't count on my hands how many times I go to the movies & I still would have 2 digits left to spare.
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5:27AM on 05/02/2015
What do they keep spoiling? The fact that with every reveal this film looks awful, and that it should be a straight to DVD movie. Like the Alien franchise they seem to keep shitting on the solid films created by James Cameron.
What do they keep spoiling? The fact that with every reveal this film looks awful, and that it should be a straight to DVD movie. Like the Alien franchise they seem to keep shitting on the solid films created by James Cameron.
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8:29PM on 05/01/2015
I saw the new trailer before "Age of Ultron" and I was disappointed that they revealed this twist, spoiler, whatever you want to call it. I had a small interest in the movie, now it's basically gone since they've revealed their hand. Now I might just wait until it's at the 2nd run theatre near me.
I saw the new trailer before "Age of Ultron" and I was disappointed that they revealed this twist, spoiler, whatever you want to call it. I had a small interest in the movie, now it's basically gone since they've revealed their hand. Now I might just wait until it's at the 2nd run theatre near me.
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6:08PM on 05/01/2015
I think they have gone too far with the trailer and this poster. I hate it when that happens. I can't think of a better example now but Warm Bodies was a movie that had no surprises after the trailer spoiled everything.
I think they have gone too far with the trailer and this poster. I hate it when that happens. I can't think of a better example now but Warm Bodies was a movie that had no surprises after the trailer spoiled everything.
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6:00PM on 05/01/2015
Perhaps they're spoiling it because maybe John Connor isn't a terminator the entire time and is only for half of the movie due to Sarah causing a rift in the timeline?

I mean how stupid do you have to be to put a huge spoiler like that on a poster.
Perhaps they're spoiling it because maybe John Connor isn't a terminator the entire time and is only for half of the movie due to Sarah causing a rift in the timeline?

I mean how stupid do you have to be to put a huge spoiler like that on a poster.
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5:19PM on 05/01/2015

Oh man...

It's too bad I'll never be able to watch and enjoy Terminator and Terminator 2 ever again because this movie has been made. Oh that's right, of course I can still watch and enjoy them. Looking forward to seeing this. I think it'll be good. I enjoy anything with Arnold. And now back to everyone whining.
It's too bad I'll never be able to watch and enjoy Terminator and Terminator 2 ever again because this movie has been made. Oh that's right, of course I can still watch and enjoy them. Looking forward to seeing this. I think it'll be good. I enjoy anything with Arnold. And now back to everyone whining.
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5:04PM on 05/01/2015

Who Cares?

I'm probably in the minority, but I wish they would stop making these films all together. I'm old enough to remember the original Terminator and it kicked all sorts of ass. Part of what made it so awesome was the fact that the future and the war with the machines was just sort of an abstract concept that you had to imagine and that made the stakes so high in what was going on...
T2 was enjoyable enough and at the time the effects were so mind blowing that is more than worthy sequel. Every
I'm probably in the minority, but I wish they would stop making these films all together. I'm old enough to remember the original Terminator and it kicked all sorts of ass. Part of what made it so awesome was the fact that the future and the war with the machines was just sort of an abstract concept that you had to imagine and that made the stakes so high in what was going on...
T2 was enjoyable enough and at the time the effects were so mind blowing that is more than worthy sequel. Every subsequent movie has just milking a cash cow while beating a dead horse. Now we have Arnold playing a friendly Terminator raising Sarah Conner like a parent. Go back and watch the original and tell me what kind of sense that makes...
OK I'm done, enjoy your movie everyone!!!
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5:13PM on 05/01/2015
I liked the original idea I heard of a few years back that focused on sky net rather than Connor, they essentially captured a military version of Arnie (think predator) and created the T-800 and then captured a scientist who turned out to be Robert Patrick who ended up creating the time travel element as well as the T-1000. The character driven element of the film actually out the emphasis on the machines fighting back and I so wanted that to be the next series of films rather than this garbage
I liked the original idea I heard of a few years back that focused on sky net rather than Connor, they essentially captured a military version of Arnie (think predator) and created the T-800 and then captured a scientist who turned out to be Robert Patrick who ended up creating the time travel element as well as the T-1000. The character driven element of the film actually out the emphasis on the machines fighting back and I so wanted that to be the next series of films rather than this garbage
3:59PM on 05/01/2015

They see fans panicking and calling this film crap already

So with every press release, they are deciding to leak BIG plot points months before the movie even opens. We know JC is an android, he is the main bad guy. No it isn't something you find out anywhere near the start of the film, it is like 3/4 of the way into everything. They fight the T1000 kid and setup the explanation of why Sarah Connor is the john connor of the movie for the first 3/4 then they find out it was JC who sent the T1000 in the first place.
So with every press release, they are deciding to leak BIG plot points months before the movie even opens. We know JC is an android, he is the main bad guy. No it isn't something you find out anywhere near the start of the film, it is like 3/4 of the way into everything. They fight the T1000 kid and setup the explanation of why Sarah Connor is the john connor of the movie for the first 3/4 then they find out it was JC who sent the T1000 in the first place.
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3:58PM on 05/01/2015

Theory?

Is it not possible that they simply sent back a Terminator that looks like an adult John Connor?

Am I crazy or have they confirmed that future JC is a terminator?
Is it not possible that they simply sent back a Terminator that looks like an adult John Connor?

Am I crazy or have they confirmed that future JC is a terminator?
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4:01PM on 05/01/2015
JC is an android, not a full on robot terminator. He was human once, but he has a weird layer of T1000 goop in his system. He is a hybrid.

He is the big bad guy but that is supposed to be a secret for the reveal during the last 1/4 of the movie.
JC is an android, not a full on robot terminator. He was human once, but he has a weird layer of T1000 goop in his system. He is a hybrid.

He is the big bad guy but that is supposed to be a secret for the reveal during the last 1/4 of the movie.
5:09PM on 05/01/2015
I don't think they'd be that stupid to do that with John Connor - my guess is he ends up being captured by Skynet and then this hybrid created. I think he'll still be alive in the future and it'll link into that. I'm struggling to understand the whole Kyle Reese thing? Original version sent back to save older Sarah Connor now he's going back to teen/ early adult Connor? What's the deal?
I don't think they'd be that stupid to do that with John Connor - my guess is he ends up being captured by Skynet and then this hybrid created. I think he'll still be alive in the future and it'll link into that. I'm struggling to understand the whole Kyle Reese thing? Original version sent back to save older Sarah Connor now he's going back to teen/ early adult Connor? What's the deal?
3:46PM on 05/01/2015
Is it a spoiler? I don't know, I haven't seen the movie. This could happen before the halfway point for all I fucking know. For all anyone knows.
Is it a spoiler? I don't know, I haven't seen the movie. This could happen before the halfway point for all I fucking know. For all anyone knows.
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3:45PM on 05/01/2015
I mean they could have some grand mystical fuck you planned that will blow us all away ala 6th Sense, but the odds on that are extremely low. Especially with how hard it is to keep things under wraps these days. And if you look at who is making this, the odds fall even more.
This is going to be a see it for free movie, if you get my drift.
I mean they could have some grand mystical fuck you planned that will blow us all away ala 6th Sense, but the odds on that are extremely low. Especially with how hard it is to keep things under wraps these days. And if you look at who is making this, the odds fall even more.
This is going to be a see it for free movie, if you get my drift.
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3:37PM on 05/01/2015
Nolan gets a lot of shit in my opinion, but one thing he does do is not spoon feed his audience. I wish that happened more.
Nolan gets a lot of shit in my opinion, but one thing he does do is not spoon feed his audience. I wish that happened more.
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3:04PM on 05/01/2015
Spoon feeding. That is all. The series ended after T2 anyway.
Spoon feeding. That is all. The series ended after T2 anyway.
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2:50PM on 05/01/2015
Instead of this article stating "Terminator:Genisys opens on July 1, 2015" it should read "The shark gets jumped on July 1, 2015"
Instead of this article stating "Terminator:Genisys opens on July 1, 2015" it should read "The shark gets jumped on July 1, 2015"
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3:55PM on 05/01/2015
The shark got jumped with Terminator 3...
The shark got jumped with Terminator 3...
2:45PM on 05/01/2015

admittedly

I was annoyed when I first heard that the new trailer had a big spoiler in it. The GF and I eventually caved and watched it when we heard it was on the poster and in TV spots as well, figuring it would have been impossible to avoid for two more months.

Honestly, it makes me more intrigued about the story. On the one hand, I would have watched the movie anyway. On the other... it really does make it look more interesting. For people who weren't sold on the movie it might actually make a
I was annoyed when I first heard that the new trailer had a big spoiler in it. The GF and I eventually caved and watched it when we heard it was on the poster and in TV spots as well, figuring it would have been impossible to avoid for two more months.

Honestly, it makes me more intrigued about the story. On the one hand, I would have watched the movie anyway. On the other... it really does make it look more interesting. For people who weren't sold on the movie it might actually make a difference.
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2:26PM on 05/01/2015

They could show the last 15 minutes on line....

....and I wouldn't care. This story should have stopped after T2. T3 was bad, but not atrocious. I waited about a year to watch the last one. I might wait on this one until it comes out on network TV....
....and I wouldn't care. This story should have stopped after T2. T3 was bad, but not atrocious. I waited about a year to watch the last one. I might wait on this one until it comes out on network TV....
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2:28PM on 05/01/2015
The only possible way they could undo the shite of the last 3 films would be to have Earl Boen reprise his role at the end of this film and wake up in a hospital bed/coma and say 'I just had the weirdest dream' and then Eddie Furlong in another bed next to him sits up and says 'what happened to the last 20 years man'
The only possible way they could undo the shite of the last 3 films would be to have Earl Boen reprise his role at the end of this film and wake up in a hospital bed/coma and say 'I just had the weirdest dream' and then Eddie Furlong in another bed next to him sits up and says 'what happened to the last 20 years man'
2:38PM on 05/01/2015
Clearly you aren't an Arnie fan. Salvation sucked, yes - we all know that.
Clearly you aren't an Arnie fan. Salvation sucked, yes - we all know that.
5:07PM on 05/01/2015
And so will this, as did salvation and rise of the machines - I'm a massive Arnie fan and that's what I meant with my 3 films
And so will this, as did salvation and rise of the machines - I'm a massive Arnie fan and that's what I meant with my 3 films
2:24PM on 05/01/2015
Ya know, personally I really didn't care much about this movie. This spoiler actually makes me interested in exactly what the deal is with it, so I feel the need to find out. I totally understand being upset if this was something I really didn't want to know, though.
Ya know, personally I really didn't care much about this movie. This spoiler actually makes me interested in exactly what the deal is with it, so I feel the need to find out. I totally understand being upset if this was something I really didn't want to know, though.
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