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01.19.2016

Where do we go with this year's Oscars?

After the nominations for the 88th Academy Awards were announced last week, they were met with sharp criticism over their lack of diversity across the major fields. In the performance categories, 20 men and women were recognized for their work over the past year... not one of them was a person of color. In the Best Picture field, it was more of the same with each nominated film centering around characters of a Caucasian persuasion, and, when you look up and down the various categories that the Oscars presents gold statues for in February, the presence of minorities were few and far between.

As a result, the conversation has intensified regarding minorities' presence within the movie industry, but more specifically their standing with the voting members of the Academy come Oscar time.

Performances like Idris Elba (BEASTS OF NO NATION), Samuel L. Jackson (THE HATEFUL EIGHT), Will Smith (CONCUSSION), Michael B. Jordan (CREED) and Benecio Del Toro (SICARIO) did not make the cut for whatever reasons. STRAIGHT OUTTA COMPTON and CREED received one nomination each - but neither of them were for minority parts of their production, with both nods going to white people. Ryan Coogler wasn't recognized for CREED nor was Spike Lee for CHI-RAQ.

Lee has gone on record, saying that he will not attend this year's ceremony.

Jada Pinkett Smith took to Twitter to state the following:

At the Oscars ... people of color are always welcomed to give out awards ... even entertain...

But we are rarely recognized for our artistic accomplishments. Should people of color refrain from participating all together?

People can only treat us in the way in which we allow. With much respect in the midst of deep disappointment.
 
 
We must stand in our power!

We must stand in our power.

Posted by Jada Pinkett Smith on Monday, January 18, 2016

David Oyelowo, not nominated last year for his portrayal as Martin Luther King Jr. in SELMA (a role that arguably should have been in the running), spoke at an MLK event on Monday, saying, "The Academy has a problem. It's a problem that needs to be solved."

Cheryl Boone Isaacs, the President of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences and herself an African-American woman, released a statement that read:

Even George Clooney spoke to Variety on the matter, to say the following:

If you think back 10 years ago, the Academy was doing a better job. Think about how many more African Americans were nominated. I would also make the argument, I don’t think it’s a problem of who you’re picking as much as it is: How many options are available to minorities in film, particularly in quality films?

I think we have a lot of points we need to come to terms with. I find it amazing that we’re an industry that in the 1930s, most of our leads were women. And now a woman over 40 has a very difficult time being a lead in a movie. We’re seeing some movement. Jennifer Lawrence and Patricia Arquette have made the loud pronouncement about wage disparity, have put a stamp on the idea that we got to pay attention. But we should have been paying attention long before this. I think that African Americans have a real fair point that the industry isn’t representing them well enough. I think that’s absolutely true.

Now that's not to say that any of these films, their filmmakers or the talent involved with them should have been included in the final field of contenders simply because of the color of their skin. The Academy will vote however it votes for whatever it chooses to vote for, based on their idea of what the best of the year in film was. However, it's the under-representation of African-Americans or Latinos or Asians or basically anyone that does not possess a paler pigmentation to their skin in movies that gets to the root of what's going on here.

With so few quality films made featuring minorities in leading or pivotal supporting roles, or by minority filmmakers, or about minority characters, when a couple arise that the general public do rally around and view as Oscar-worthy and the Academy does not recognize, it stings that much harder. It makes people throw up their hands in disgust, wondering exactly what type of "black" or "Indian" or "Hispanic" movie needs to be made that could possibly measure up to these "white" movies that are the default.

It calls attention to the glaring disparity between films made about white people and those made about everyone else, so that, if one movie about white characters doesn't measure up to the Academy's standards, there's another one there to take its place. The same can't be said for movies made about minority characters.

But this goes beyond the Oscars. I get that the Academy Awards have been held up as the gold standard for the best in movies in any given year (I don't put that much stock in it or take it as seriously as others, but that's me), and, as a result, have a big target painted on their back when it comes to this process. But what we really need to be focusing on here is diversity in Hollywood as a whole and not simply for prestige pieces that the Academy loves to slobber all over on an annual basis. We need to be looking at diversity in characters, diversity in filmmakers, diversity in writers, diversity in producers, diversity in costume designers, diversity in best boys, diversity in... well, you get the point. We need to be pushing for Hollywood to be more inclusive, not exclusive. We need to aim for more voices and ideas and experiences to expand the stories that Hollywood tells and who helps them be told, beyond the default. That's where the progress needs to be made... And once we can find common ground there, the Oscars will fall into line with the changing landsacpe of the industry as a whole.

Do you think minorities are reasonable to boycott the Oscars as a result of their under-representation? Does the Academy have a problem with diversity? Does Hollywood have an across the board issue with the inclusion of minorities in the industry as a whole? Voice your opinion below!

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5:14PM on 01/21/2016

Whatever

Will Smith's acting in Concussion wasn't exactly Oscar worthy anyways, and the movie itself stunk, so who cares, right? If Lupita N'yongo is so upset, hey, give back your Oscar then.
Will Smith's acting in Concussion wasn't exactly Oscar worthy anyways, and the movie itself stunk, so who cares, right? If Lupita N'yongo is so upset, hey, give back your Oscar then.
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1:13AM on 01/21/2016
This is the trouble with all this diversity/parity bull shit. Sure the old white dudes who vote for the nominees are most likely a bit racist. But you also have to realize that just because a Black or Latino or Otherkin is in a movie doesn't mean they deserve an Oscar. When we get to the point where everything has to be 50/50 then what is the point of it anyway. Bah give it another 10 years and it won't matter we will have separate categories for each ethnicity. And Spike can go fuck himself on
This is the trouble with all this diversity/parity bull shit. Sure the old white dudes who vote for the nominees are most likely a bit racist. But you also have to realize that just because a Black or Latino or Otherkin is in a movie doesn't mean they deserve an Oscar. When we get to the point where everything has to be 50/50 then what is the point of it anyway. Bah give it another 10 years and it won't matter we will have separate categories for each ethnicity. And Spike can go fuck himself on general principle.
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12:27PM on 01/20/2016

Who Cares

I never watch the Oscars anymore. Most of the time I haven't seen any of the Movies or performances nominated so I don't care. This year I've seen only two of the nominated films. While they were good I don't know they are better than any of the rest. Most of the nominations go to high brow movies only seen by people in the business. There are more movies being made than ever before. Both by the studios, independents, and now even streaming services. Unless it is your job to write about them
I never watch the Oscars anymore. Most of the time I haven't seen any of the Movies or performances nominated so I don't care. This year I've seen only two of the nominated films. While they were good I don't know they are better than any of the rest. Most of the nominations go to high brow movies only seen by people in the business. There are more movies being made than ever before. Both by the studios, independents, and now even streaming services. Unless it is your job to write about them (Joblo) there is no time in a normal persons life to see all that is offered. Between Netflix, the revival of relevant Television and sports no one can see them all. Nor do I want to see them all. As to the lack of minorities being nominated, there are more roles than ever before filled my Latinos, blacks, and Asians, gays, transgendered ect....ect..It seems now that especially on TV that you have to check off each of these to even get a pilot aired. So all these self appointed victims need to go out and get better roles. They are there. Then do better jobs. Most are not that great. The Fresh Prince and his wife are middling actors at best, Concussion was a TV movie with an ax to grind. Spike Lee hasn't been relevant in over a decade, now known more for being a bad Knicks fan than anything else. Selma was over rated. Don't get me started on George Clooney, who is not only an only average actor but movie killer. Minorities all have their own award shows specifically for themselves and no whites are nominated there. These professional whiners need to find new vocations if they feel they are so mistreated. Oh, wait, who else is going to pay them millions and send them to exotic locations for pretending to be someone else.
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9:33AM on 01/20/2016

enough of this one sided bs

"not enough diversity in the nominations?" how about the nominations are given to the best performers? who gives a shit what race? people who start this shit make me sick. i wish we could boycott racism double standards. the best performances win.
"not enough diversity in the nominations?" how about the nominations are given to the best performers? who gives a shit what race? people who start this shit make me sick. i wish we could boycott racism double standards. the best performances win.
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8:16AM on 01/20/2016
Benicio Del Toro is the only one I would definitely have nominated (the Academy was already biased against Beasts of No Nation for being produced by Netflix, despite it's theatrical run). One thing Spike Lee said was that he felt the awards are a symptom, instead of the root problem. If the roles aren't there, then the awards attention won't be either.
Benicio Del Toro is the only one I would definitely have nominated (the Academy was already biased against Beasts of No Nation for being produced by Netflix, despite it's theatrical run). One thing Spike Lee said was that he felt the awards are a symptom, instead of the root problem. If the roles aren't there, then the awards attention won't be either.
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5:53AM on 01/20/2016

Del Toro deserved a nom

He rally stole that movie
He rally stole that movie
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11:03PM on 01/19/2016
While I agree that there should be more roles for minorities, I don't think the academy has any conspiracy to keep them from being nominated. This whole thing just feels like a few making a fuss just to have some press. I have a feeling the only change made will be to increase the acting nominations from 5 to 10 or something.
While I agree that there should be more roles for minorities, I don't think the academy has any conspiracy to keep them from being nominated. This whole thing just feels like a few making a fuss just to have some press. I have a feeling the only change made will be to increase the acting nominations from 5 to 10 or something.
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10:44PM on 01/19/2016

FFS

Oh for chrissake, is the academy supposed to appoint token nominees just to fill a quota?! Performance has nothing to do with it? Why do people in this country have to get so butt hurt about every little fucking thing? Gah!
Oh for chrissake, is the academy supposed to appoint token nominees just to fill a quota?! Performance has nothing to do with it? Why do people in this country have to get so butt hurt about every little fucking thing? Gah!
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12:16AM on 01/20/2016
You're not PC bro?!
You're not PC bro?!
10:32PM on 01/19/2016
I don't think the problem is with the Oscars, I think its bigger than that. Is it completely inconceivable that the actual nominees this year just did a better job? Of course not. Is it impossible to believe that Academy voters are probably mostly old white men who might have a bias? I'd believe that one too. I think that everyone needs to take some personal responsibility on this, and thats the real issue. The inclusion of people of color is hardly the only issue with this awards show. I
I don't think the problem is with the Oscars, I think its bigger than that. Is it completely inconceivable that the actual nominees this year just did a better job? Of course not. Is it impossible to believe that Academy voters are probably mostly old white men who might have a bias? I'd believe that one too. I think that everyone needs to take some personal responsibility on this, and thats the real issue. The inclusion of people of color is hardly the only issue with this awards show. I mean, why have actor and actress categories? Aren't they doing the same job? Why aren't there more women and minorities all over the industry? It has seemed like such big issues lately finding women directors for movies like WW. Ill tell you why, its probably because too often, movies not including a white male lead aren't making as much money because the paying audience (Thats US!) will pick Transformers over Madea every time. Both are awful movies that just want to entertain you and make money, but your general movie goer figures that they know what and who they like to see, and doesn't want to give anything else a chance. Yes, Hollywood needs to make some inclusive changes, and the viewer needs to be more open minded.

But its not all bad, this year has actually been great pushing forward IMO. Maybe theres no black nominees at the Oscars, but the 2 leads in Star Wars were a female and black man! We have female and black superhero movies coming very soon! We have powerhouse actors like Oscar Isaac choosing not to focus on roles that shoehorn him into his hispanic heritage, but that are racially neutral. I'm not boycotting the Academy Awards this year. I'm not watching because I cant remember one that I haven't fallen asleep in the middle of, ever. Yea, theres issues here that need to be discussed, but things are looking up, and the Oscars are NOT the only, or most important, measure of what qualifies as great art in cinema.
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12:18AM on 01/20/2016
Well said.
Well said.
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10:31PM on 01/19/2016
This is a result of a lot of different "problems." And boycotting the Academy isn't the answer. If you took every film from last year that got a 70% or higher on rottentomatoes, I would guess that the main cast and crew would be overwhelmingly white. That could create a problem of "well, we have 4 of the nominees for sure and they are all white, but for the 5th, Leo was great, but Denzel was pretty good. Let's go with Denzel to get a minority." I hope that doesn't happen.

But also,
This is a result of a lot of different "problems." And boycotting the Academy isn't the answer. If you took every film from last year that got a 70% or higher on rottentomatoes, I would guess that the main cast and crew would be overwhelmingly white. That could create a problem of "well, we have 4 of the nominees for sure and they are all white, but for the 5th, Leo was great, but Denzel was pretty good. Let's go with Denzel to get a minority." I hope that doesn't happen.

But also, at least as far as filmmakers (and maybe actors too, prolly actresses), there aren't a lot of colored visionaries I can think of. Fincher, QT, Anderson, PTA, Nolan, Scorsese - I could name another five pretty quickly. Colored filmmakers? Lee and M Night. And Ang Lee I guess. That's all the top of my head. All of these directors don't make great films all the time, but they are creative visionaries with a distinct style and voice, not just hired guns. I think the same can be said for actors and especially actresses. As far as the acting goes, there is clearly less opportunities. But the directors? I don't know the answer to that. I would imagine that is a result of white people generally being raised being told they can do anything. For minorities, especially blacks, we are just now getting into the generations where that's happening because it wasn't happening in the 50's and 60's. Hopefully it'll even out soon. I will say that, personally, "urban" films (I remember this was a section at a video store) are usually pretty bad. At least the popular ones. Ride along? Madea? Those movies are awful, but they do very very well, as opposed to the equivalent like Adam Sandlers movies, which have finally started doing kinda average. In the 90s there were lots of great "black films," like the first Friday and everything don't be a menace spoofed, even the first barbershop, but a lot of the mainstream stuff now is kind of insulting to their intelligence, but it still does well. Lots of generalizations in there
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12:30AM on 01/20/2016
Don't forget about the powerhouse that is Alejandro Inarittu. A Mexican, visionary director that is looking to dominate the awards this year.
Don't forget about the powerhouse that is Alejandro Inarittu. A Mexican, visionary director that is looking to dominate the awards this year.
10:25PM on 01/19/2016
I get that Joblo has an obligation to cover movie news but I honestly question the wisdom of even covering something like this. If there was a legitimate controversy that would be one thing but this is a bunch of whiny twerps looking for publicity. Things should be judged on merit and If you want to argue the merit of certain films not being recognized that is totally fair. For example I would have loved to see Dear White People get get some attention last year and think it was unfairly
I get that Joblo has an obligation to cover movie news but I honestly question the wisdom of even covering something like this. If there was a legitimate controversy that would be one thing but this is a bunch of whiny twerps looking for publicity. Things should be judged on merit and If you want to argue the merit of certain films not being recognized that is totally fair. For example I would have loved to see Dear White People get get some attention last year and think it was unfairly slighted. That was made by a black filmmaker and had an almost all black cast, but the reason I wanted it to get recognized was actually because it was good. But to simply go there should be more minorities is a cheap ploy to drum up controversy.

As for the whole issue, last year two of the biggest prizes went to Hispanics (three If you count the Best Picture win) so the idea that this is a purely white thing is flat out untrue.
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10:03PM on 01/19/2016

This is the chicken before the egg thing

The real problem here is there are quite simply not the performances by minorities this year or in the last few years... to really trump the nominated roles. Is that an issue with the nominations or the films themselves? I think the later. Simple put, films featuring strong minorities are not present... they are not being written, or produced... and until that happens... you can not simply expect someone to nominate CREED because it featured a minority lead. I mean if we having this discussion
The real problem here is there are quite simply not the performances by minorities this year or in the last few years... to really trump the nominated roles. Is that an issue with the nominations or the films themselves? I think the later. Simple put, films featuring strong minorities are not present... they are not being written, or produced... and until that happens... you can not simply expect someone to nominate CREED because it featured a minority lead. I mean if we having this discussion than there are also several Asian films that should be considered... far and away... more so than the mentioned "Options" the academy could have chosen from.
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9:36PM on 01/19/2016

Here's the thing...

The academy is comprised of around 4000 people. They range from actor, producers, composers, artist, set designers, sound technicians. Not all of these people are white crusty old men. I imagine quite a few of them are other races other than white. They all vote independently on each category and from there it's narrowed down. Last year and the year before African Americans were highly acknowledged. It may just be that this year, there weren't that many stand out movies/ actors that were of
The academy is comprised of around 4000 people. They range from actor, producers, composers, artist, set designers, sound technicians. Not all of these people are white crusty old men. I imagine quite a few of them are other races other than white. They all vote independently on each category and from there it's narrowed down. Last year and the year before African Americans were highly acknowledged. It may just be that this year, there weren't that many stand out movies/ actors that were of color. Beasts of no nation was really good, but I can't say that it was worthy of an academy award over those films that were nominated. I have an extraordinary amount of respect for may actors and actresses of color. This just wasn't their year.
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2:06AM on 01/20/2016
Think I read somewhere that around 95 % of the voters are white, 75% male and the average 63 years old. Even though I agree that it is possible that it´s bad luck or those who got nominated this year are more worthy then other people from minorites, those numbers (if true) is a problem.
Think I read somewhere that around 95 % of the voters are white, 75% male and the average 63 years old. Even though I agree that it is possible that it´s bad luck or those who got nominated this year are more worthy then other people from minorites, those numbers (if true) is a problem.
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8:52PM on 01/19/2016
This is a joke.. Hollywood is a joke with their "issues"..
Talent wins, and thats that.. Do we really put creed and straight out of Compton in the same category as the Best Picture nominees? or Best Director category? because they're black? I really enjoyed both films a lot, but I'm sorry no one got snubbed.
This is just getting out of hand.. if I'm a director of any race i would consider it an insult, if i only got recognized because of my race and not my talent. Sorry but thats
This is a joke.. Hollywood is a joke with their "issues"..
Talent wins, and thats that.. Do we really put creed and straight out of Compton in the same category as the Best Picture nominees? or Best Director category? because they're black? I really enjoyed both films a lot, but I'm sorry no one got snubbed.
This is just getting out of hand.. if I'm a director of any race i would consider it an insult, if i only got recognized because of my race and not my talent. Sorry but thats Racism right there, and that would be an insult to anyone being nominated that deserves the nomination, and who ever is tossed in that category because skin colour.

on a side note: if anyone reads my whole comment ill get thumbed down for this.. but seriously I always found it funny, that White television shows MUST cover all minorities above and beyond (race, sex, sexual preference, and more) otherwise they are considered racist, but black shows are just of black people and thats ok. Imagine if a TV network came out called WET.. i mean talk about racism.. a TV network dedicated to one colour of skin and not taking into consideration other races equally, i mean thats basically the definition of racism -_-
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6:51AM on 01/20/2016
Your uneducated on anything that has to do with film or television. Have you even seen all the best picture nominated films to judge which is "worthy" of a nod? And BET isn't devoted for strictly black people, it was created for black people to produce more film and television work and to bring in work for those who can't find it else where. This is an industry that at one point in time would color they're white actor faces with black paint instead of hiring a black actor. So please take that
Your uneducated on anything that has to do with film or television. Have you even seen all the best picture nominated films to judge which is "worthy" of a nod? And BET isn't devoted for strictly black people, it was created for black people to produce more film and television work and to bring in work for those who can't find it else where. This is an industry that at one point in time would color they're white actor faces with black paint instead of hiring a black actor. So please take that whack ass WET example outta here. You sound like a Trump supporter
7:40AM on 01/20/2016
I disagree with you about 'black shows'...
They DO usually have a white character. He's usually stupid, unattractive and want to be like his black friends ('friends' who, mostly, spend their time humiliating him).
Or it's the white girlfriend of the black hero... But he'll go back to the good side and date a good black girl before long...
So, you see, lots of whiteys in black shows !
I disagree with you about 'black shows'...
They DO usually have a white character. He's usually stupid, unattractive and want to be like his black friends ('friends' who, mostly, spend their time humiliating him).
Or it's the white girlfriend of the black hero... But he'll go back to the good side and date a good black girl before long...
So, you see, lots of whiteys in black shows !
8:49PM on 01/19/2016
Here's my two cents for what it's worth. I don't really share some of the other commenters' opinion below in that "black people should just fuck off". But I think the boycott is a bit unfair and it's a bit unfair to paint the Oscars in a negative light. Like Billy said, it's a matter for Hollywood to solve by creating more characters and opportunities for people of color.

An Oscar nomination should be earned on the merits of the film and acting itself. Not on the basis of having to fill
Here's my two cents for what it's worth. I don't really share some of the other commenters' opinion below in that "black people should just fuck off". But I think the boycott is a bit unfair and it's a bit unfair to paint the Oscars in a negative light. Like Billy said, it's a matter for Hollywood to solve by creating more characters and opportunities for people of color.

An Oscar nomination should be earned on the merits of the film and acting itself. Not on the basis of having to fill a quota in the category. For all the films that ppl are saying got snubbed, do they really think they're as good or better than the movies and actors that were nominated? What made Samuel L. Jackson's performance better than anyone else in the cast? As good as Creed was, was Michael B. Jordan really that good? Are we going to believe that Will Smith was as good in Concussion as Leo was in the Revenant? Or Damon in The Martian? Maybe Idris Elba deserved a nomination, but unfortunately his movie only aired on Netflix. Are we sure that t got that much traction that the academy took notice?
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8:41PM on 01/19/2016

I think George Clooney has it right

If you look at the Oscars the nominees in those categories always mirror the guild awards very closely. It's not just the Academy that recognized these individuals as being the best of the year but the general membership of the guilds -- i.e. the individuals who work in those fields professionally. You really can't find a more representative group to select who "the best of the year" in those categories should be. Yes, the academy and guild's tastes don't ever lineup 100%, (this year the Guild
If you look at the Oscars the nominees in those categories always mirror the guild awards very closely. It's not just the Academy that recognized these individuals as being the best of the year but the general membership of the guilds -- i.e. the individuals who work in those fields professionally. You really can't find a more representative group to select who "the best of the year" in those categories should be. Yes, the academy and guild's tastes don't ever lineup 100%, (this year the Guild nominated Idris Elba for Best Supporting Actor and the Academy didn't), but it really is uncanny how closely they match up. If the Academy is echoing who the actors themselves feel should be nominated, then I really don't think there's much case to make about them "being out of touch." There's always going to be many more quality performances in a year than can actually get nominated, but then again that's the point of the award. When a minority director or actor or writer earns the acclaim of their own peers and receives a guild nomination then (most often) they get a nod from the academy as well. If this doesn't happen as often as it should, then that you can either accuse the majority of the general memberships of the guilds themselves of being racist (which really seems like a stretch) or you can say, like Clooney did, that it just boils down to the need for more quality opportunities int he industry for minorities.
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8:20PM on 01/19/2016
Hey, while we're at it PETA should boycott the Oscar too since Leonardo earned a nomination but the damn bear didn't. I swear the black community is a bunch of cry babies, they just need to fuck off and focus on making "real" movie before talking about winning awards and shit...
Hey, while we're at it PETA should boycott the Oscar too since Leonardo earned a nomination but the damn bear didn't. I swear the black community is a bunch of cry babies, they just need to fuck off and focus on making "real" movie before talking about winning awards and shit...
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10:27PM on 01/19/2016
I absolutely agree but lets just be clear the people behind this are not necessarily representative of the black community as a whole.
I absolutely agree but lets just be clear the people behind this are not necessarily representative of the black community as a whole.
12:43AM on 01/20/2016
PETA don't care cuz the bear is CGI. The black community cares because civil rights is still an issue in this country, despite many such as yourself loving to pretend its not. And judging from your comment, my guess is you wouldn't watch what you call a "real" black film if you were paid to.
PETA don't care cuz the bear is CGI. The black community cares because civil rights is still an issue in this country, despite many such as yourself loving to pretend its not. And judging from your comment, my guess is you wouldn't watch what you call a "real" black film if you were paid to.
5:43PM on 01/23/2016
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Ummm.... What "real" black film are you referring to? Last I checked there was none. Oh wait never mind, ride along 2 just came out, and you are right, I would not watch it even if you pay me. Nice try "brother" but next time ok?
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Ummm.... What "real" black film are you referring to? Last I checked there was none. Oh wait never mind, ride along 2 just came out, and you are right, I would not watch it even if you pay me. Nice try "brother" but next time ok?
8:08PM on 01/19/2016
I remember watching an episode of Anziz Ansari's Master of None (which is both awesome and diverse) where he tells another Indian American actor going out for the same show as him that the show can't have more than one Indian actor or it will be an "Indian" show.
He says something to the effect that America isn't ready for that. And it "just became OK to have two black people in the same show."
I remember watching an episode of Anziz Ansari's Master of None (which is both awesome and diverse) where he tells another Indian American actor going out for the same show as him that the show can't have more than one Indian actor or it will be an "Indian" show.
He says something to the effect that America isn't ready for that. And it "just became OK to have two black people in the same show."
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7:45PM on 01/19/2016
The Black community are totally right. People should get nominated by their race or cultural background. Getting nominated on talent and quality is just bunkum old European crazy talk.
The Black community are totally right. People should get nominated by their race or cultural background. Getting nominated on talent and quality is just bunkum old European crazy talk.
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8:05PM on 01/19/2016
I think that's oversimplifying the problem and unfairly lumping everyone in the black community together. There's a glaring lack of diversity in Hollywood. However, it's doubtful boycotting the awards will change this.
I think that's oversimplifying the problem and unfairly lumping everyone in the black community together. There's a glaring lack of diversity in Hollywood. However, it's doubtful boycotting the awards will change this.
7:42PM on 01/19/2016
Didn't '12 Years a Slave' clean house a few years ago?
Didn't '12 Years a Slave' clean house a few years ago?
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10:17PM on 01/19/2016
Yes, but according to Spike Lee a black film does well around every ten years or so.
Yes, but according to Spike Lee a black film does well around every ten years or so.
6:57AM on 01/20/2016
Yeah because it was about slaves and had terrific white male actors playing masters. Nothing to brag about there. Also it was produced by Brad Pitt
Yeah because it was about slaves and had terrific white male actors playing masters. Nothing to brag about there. Also it was produced by Brad Pitt
9:40AM on 01/20/2016
What did you expect, MDTheArtist? That the slaves' masters were black too?
What did you expect, MDTheArtist? That the slaves' masters were black too?
7:39PM on 01/19/2016
I think the issue lies in the number of parts they can get. The boycott thing is just dumb. Fact is, no one got snubbed. They are bitching for no reason at all. You don't see hispanics or asian americans up in arms because they were snubbed.
I think the issue lies in the number of parts they can get. The boycott thing is just dumb. Fact is, no one got snubbed. They are bitching for no reason at all. You don't see hispanics or asian americans up in arms because they were snubbed.
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7:29PM on 01/19/2016

What fucking movie or performance from 2015

Are they saying is getting snubbed? Should we nominate a black actor or director just because we don't have any or because they did something worthy?
Are they saying is getting snubbed? Should we nominate a black actor or director just because we don't have any or because they did something worthy?
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8:44PM on 01/19/2016
They're pushing for Michael B Jordan with his performance in Fantastic 4, lol...
They're pushing for Michael B Jordan with his performance in Fantastic 4, lol...
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7:13PM on 01/19/2016

No Boycott. Is it a quality film/performance? = nominated

The one and only requirement for a nomination should be: Is it good? Is the film worthy? Is the actor/director worthy of receiving an award? There should not be an underlying "requirement" to seek out a certain demographic nomination. If the work is good, it will be nominated, as it has been in the past.
I have not seen most of the films that were nominated this year, or the ones that people say are getting shafted, so I cannot comment about this year's selections and whether or not there
The one and only requirement for a nomination should be: Is it good? Is the film worthy? Is the actor/director worthy of receiving an award? There should not be an underlying "requirement" to seek out a certain demographic nomination. If the work is good, it will be nominated, as it has been in the past.
I have not seen most of the films that were nominated this year, or the ones that people say are getting shafted, so I cannot comment about this year's selections and whether or not there should have been more "inclusion". However, while watching the Oscars over the years, I have never felt that they were lacking in that area. This year seems to be somewhat of an anomaly in that respect. I clearly remember diverse films and actors/actresses being nominated each year. Now, it has been said that the Academy Awards are just a popularity contest, and I couldn't agree more during certain years. There were clearly snubs, in my opinion, that happened throughout it's history. But, if that was the case, wouldn't Straight Outta Compton have been nominated for Best Picture (for example)? I remember it getting rave reviews across the board. But the praise I was hearing was about the story. Not the acting, not the camera work, and not the artistry behind the film. It was an intriguing story that people seemed to focus on. Having not seen it, I can't personally comment, but judging from the reviews and comments I've seen, it is good, but not a worthy contender for Best Picture.

So, I wonder...will all this uproar over the lack of inclusion in the nominations go on to hurt the whole process in the future? Will there start being films/actors nominated that truly don't deserve it, just because they want to hit a ratio of diverse nominees, and films that actually delivered on all fronts get snubbed because of it? The one and only requirement should be quality...not quantity....in my humble opinion.
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6:54PM on 01/19/2016

Wrong solution to a real problem

Yes, Hollywood has a diversity problem, especially at the director position, but boycotting the Oscars is just a terrible, terrible idea.

First of all, awards - any awards - aren't that important. Most jobs don't involve being congratulated so often that an unofficial "award season" exists and they do just fine without it. Of all the problems Black people have in Hollywood, not being nominated for enough Oscars is right at the bottom of the pile.

Secondly, it's a very difficult problem to
Yes, Hollywood has a diversity problem, especially at the director position, but boycotting the Oscars is just a terrible, terrible idea.

First of all, awards - any awards - aren't that important. Most jobs don't involve being congratulated so often that an unofficial "award season" exists and they do just fine without it. Of all the problems Black people have in Hollywood, not being nominated for enough Oscars is right at the bottom of the pile.

Secondly, it's a very difficult problem to solve. There's a bunch of voters and they all have their reasons for not voting for certain nominees, many of which have nothing to do with race. The Academy could allow more Black people to vote but even that has no guarantee of succeeding.

Third, the fact that the boycott was started by the wife of a non-nominee makes the movement look really bad. Could Will Smith have been nominated for Concussion? Maybe. But was he robbed? There's not a lot of undeserving nominations in the ballot and Smith never had more than an outside chance for a film that didn't wow many people. All of this reeks of ego.

If some people want to boycott because they don't feel respected by the Academy, fine, but they better mean it. We better not see them back in a year if they have a chance to win. This wouldn't be standing for your principles. This would be blackmail.
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6:57PM on 01/19/2016
Agree.
Agree.
7:06PM on 01/19/2016
Actually it was Spike Lee first who commented that he would not be attending this year's event.
Actually it was Spike Lee first who commented that he would not be attending this year's event.
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6:54PM on 01/19/2016
And in the latest news on Joblo... A Latino might be directing a sequel to one of the highest grossing films of all time. Is Hollywood racist? All you race card players... Grow up.
And in the latest news on Joblo... A Latino might be directing a sequel to one of the highest grossing films of all time. Is Hollywood racist? All you race card players... Grow up.
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7:34PM on 01/19/2016
Juan Antonio Bayona isn't a Latino, but I agree with everything else you said.
Juan Antonio Bayona isn't a Latino, but I agree with everything else you said.
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6:34PM on 01/19/2016

People don't seem to understand how racism works.

If the Academy was full of racist people, they wouldn't have nominated minorities. Never. Not only they have, but they've awarded 32 blacks so far. They awarded non-whites as Best Director 3 years in a row (and it could happen again this year). They nominated at least 1 minority's performance every year for almost 20 years (1997-2013), then didn't do it 1 year and people immediately started to accuse of them of racism. The fact that it happened again is NOT a pattern; it's evidence that they're
If the Academy was full of racist people, they wouldn't have nominated minorities. Never. Not only they have, but they've awarded 32 blacks so far. They awarded non-whites as Best Director 3 years in a row (and it could happen again this year). They nominated at least 1 minority's performance every year for almost 20 years (1997-2013), then didn't do it 1 year and people immediately started to accuse of them of racism. The fact that it happened again is NOT a pattern; it's evidence that they're not worried about being PC. Think about it: They must read the news on a daily basis. They must've been aware of last year's criticism and chose not to nominate minorities just for the sake of it.

The boycotters would've been right if the white nominees had done a bad job and therefore stolen the minorities' place. I haven't seen all the nominated movies, but all 20 nominated performances were praised by critics. Some of the winning actors got a standing ovation at the Golden Globes. Almost all of the minorities and movies about minorities that people are complaining about wouldn't have been nominated anyway. They weren't nominated for most of the other award ceremonies, which are voted by different groups (race, nationality, age, etc.). Are they racists too?
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6:32PM on 01/19/2016

Birdman, Gravity, The Revenant

2 years ago 12 Years a Slave won Best Picture and a mexican man won Best Director for Gravity. Last year, a mexican man, won Best Picture, and Director. This year, a mexican man is the front runner for Best Picture and Director again, Just because African Americans weren't nominated oesn't mean the Academy is racist. And the last two Oscars prove that.
2 years ago 12 Years a Slave won Best Picture and a mexican man won Best Director for Gravity. Last year, a mexican man, won Best Picture, and Director. This year, a mexican man is the front runner for Best Picture and Director again, Just because African Americans weren't nominated oesn't mean the Academy is racist. And the last two Oscars prove that.
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6:58PM on 01/19/2016
Yes.
Yes.
1:01PM on 01/20/2016
And, Ang Lee won the year BEFORE that.
And, Ang Lee won the year BEFORE that.
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6:21PM on 01/19/2016
I would like to go on record right now and say I am of Puerto Rican decent (both my parents are) and although I can agree with what the protests are, I will still be watching the Oscars. Was Smith snubbed for Concussion? Maybe. Was Jordan for Creed? Not so much. Not when your role is riding off the coat tails of an infamous role and franchise. Jackson in Hateful Eight? Ehhhh..... Does Jackson not play almost the same role for Quentin every time? Be honest. Now Idris for Beasts? I give you that.
I would like to go on record right now and say I am of Puerto Rican decent (both my parents are) and although I can agree with what the protests are, I will still be watching the Oscars. Was Smith snubbed for Concussion? Maybe. Was Jordan for Creed? Not so much. Not when your role is riding off the coat tails of an infamous role and franchise. Jackson in Hateful Eight? Ehhhh..... Does Jackson not play almost the same role for Quentin every time? Be honest. Now Idris for Beasts? I give you that. But Beasts of No Nation was snubbed in general. Cary is a fuckin' beast (no pun intended) and one to look out for keeping the sport and art alive. But isn't he technically a minority also? Fuck political correctness and the race card. Fuck that noise. It is what it is. And finally... Del Toro, A Puerto Rican compadre. Was he snubbed? He sure was. But so was Sicario in general too. And don't even mention Straight Outta Comptom. Anyone that knows film, knows that movie fuckin' sucked. Race MIGHT play a part. I guess it does or could. But boycott it? Please. It's all a fuckin' subjective ceremony and contest anyway.
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6:24PM on 01/19/2016
Not to mention all the White actors and films directed by White directors that have been snubbed the past couple years. Derek Cianfrance? I rest my case... Furthermore... If you're looking at Hollywood to fix the "race" problem by boycotting the Oscars? Grow the fuck up. The problem extends far beyond Hollywood. Why don't you blame them first. Boycott them.
Not to mention all the White actors and films directed by White directors that have been snubbed the past couple years. Derek Cianfrance? I rest my case... Furthermore... If you're looking at Hollywood to fix the "race" problem by boycotting the Oscars? Grow the fuck up. The problem extends far beyond Hollywood. Why don't you blame them first. Boycott them.
6:12PM on 01/19/2016
Well when there's so much tokenism in the movie industry, what do you expect? When there can only be one black person per movie, then there isn't going to be much to choose from for the Oscars. Tokenism has gotten so bad, it's now considered normal and expected. And a lot of times when a character needs to be axed off a show or movie, the black character is first in line to go. Fear the Walking Dead killed off all 3 of its black characters in the first 2 episodes. Captain America Civil War
Well when there's so much tokenism in the movie industry, what do you expect? When there can only be one black person per movie, then there isn't going to be much to choose from for the Oscars. Tokenism has gotten so bad, it's now considered normal and expected. And a lot of times when a character needs to be axed off a show or movie, the black character is first in line to go. Fear the Walking Dead killed off all 3 of its black characters in the first 2 episodes. Captain America Civil War (this is only speculation from the trailer) is going to kill off its first superhero who happens to be black (War Machine) to make way for Black Panther. Classic case of tokenism. They didn't even kill off Phil Coulson and he actually died. But I hope I'm wrong about Civil War. I'm glad there's a few people who don't follow this trite standard. A few like JJ Abrams with his many produced tv shows and occasionally Fox tv network i.e. Sleepy Hollow.. Minority Report.
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6:10PM on 01/19/2016
I didn't see some of the movies mentions in the articles but i did see creed, hateful eight and concussions and sadly, as much as i would want to say that these movies had great performance by black actors, i can't. Will smith wasn't really that great in concussion especially compare to the five nominees in the lead actor category, Same goes with samuel l jackson in the supporting actor category. As For micheal b. jordan in creed, the guy was good but was overshadowed by sylvester stallone who
I didn't see some of the movies mentions in the articles but i did see creed, hateful eight and concussions and sadly, as much as i would want to say that these movies had great performance by black actors, i can't. Will smith wasn't really that great in concussion especially compare to the five nominees in the lead actor category, Same goes with samuel l jackson in the supporting actor category. As For micheal b. jordan in creed, the guy was good but was overshadowed by sylvester stallone who give the performance of his career in that movie and pretty much made us forget about micheal, plus the fact that he starred in fantastic four which was the worst movie of 2015 didn't help his cause. Normally, i think minorities do have a case as far as the acedemy is concern but this year, nobody really stood out and to nominate somebody just for the color of their skin is wrong and stupid and send the wrong message that just because your in a minority group, you get special privilege with the academy. If the black actors want to get nominated, just do something about it and bring step up your game so that you bring a performance that peoples of a color can relate to like they did with selma.
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6:58PM on 01/19/2016
Exactly.
Exactly.
6:04PM on 01/19/2016

Never cared about the Oscars to begin with

There's a combination of issues here. First being there aren't enough quality roles offered to minorities, and by minorities I don't mean just black people. Second, the Oscars is notorious for giving actors nominations with no attention to the performance, it seems, but more because the actor or director in front or behind the camera. When people say that Creed or Straight Outta Compton didn't deserve award nominations but Sylvester Stallone, Bridge of Spies, and Kate Winslet did? Film is a
There's a combination of issues here. First being there aren't enough quality roles offered to minorities, and by minorities I don't mean just black people. Second, the Oscars is notorious for giving actors nominations with no attention to the performance, it seems, but more because the actor or director in front or behind the camera. When people say that Creed or Straight Outta Compton didn't deserve award nominations but Sylvester Stallone, Bridge of Spies, and Kate Winslet did? Film is a subjective art, but there needs to be consistent in the number of nominations and how each role is weighed over another.
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6:09PM on 01/19/2016
Bridge of spies and kate winslet should not have been nominated. Stallone? Yes!
Bridge of spies and kate winslet should not have been nominated. Stallone? Yes!
5:57PM on 01/19/2016

Hollywood needs more diversity

But boycotting the Academy Awards isn't going to help. Plus, it shouldn't just be about black actors.
But boycotting the Academy Awards isn't going to help. Plus, it shouldn't just be about black actors.
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5:36PM on 01/19/2016
I think a large part of this is that the academy likes to acknowledge roles like Eddie Redmaynes (I haven't seen it). Those "play a retard" to win an Oscar
I think a large part of this is that the academy likes to acknowledge roles like Eddie Redmaynes (I haven't seen it). Those "play a retard" to win an Oscar
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6:15PM on 01/19/2016
LMAO.. that's just wrong dude
LMAO.. that's just wrong dude
6:38PM on 01/19/2016
Eddie didn't "play a retard"; he played a transgender.
Eddie didn't "play a retard"; he played a transgender.
5:36PM on 01/19/2016

Jada Pinkett Smith

There is an argument to be made that several black actors were worthy of a nomination this year, but so were all of those nominated from what I've seen. And anybody who thinks Jada Pinkett Smith is upset about anything other than her husband not being among the nominees is a fool.
There is an argument to be made that several black actors were worthy of a nomination this year, but so were all of those nominated from what I've seen. And anybody who thinks Jada Pinkett Smith is upset about anything other than her husband not being among the nominees is a fool.
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5:31PM on 01/19/2016

Oscars aren't the problem but Hollywood's reluctance in casting POC, well...

I'll watch the Oscars this year like I have the past 15 years. But given the glut of non-white actors simply not given lead roles or relegated to eye candy, the magical mystical (insert minority), the help, the fighter, the best friend who's in for maybe 5 minutes, the thug, the cook, the "foreign" or whatever part that has probably next to little lines relegated to the plot, Hollywood (and apparently Britain) has issues that need to be ironed out. If modern Doctor Who has better ethnic
I'll watch the Oscars this year like I have the past 15 years. But given the glut of non-white actors simply not given lead roles or relegated to eye candy, the magical mystical (insert minority), the help, the fighter, the best friend who's in for maybe 5 minutes, the thug, the cook, the "foreign" or whatever part that has probably next to little lines relegated to the plot, Hollywood (and apparently Britain) has issues that need to be ironed out. If modern Doctor Who has better ethnic representation than big budget movies, you have issues far deeper than lack of award consideration.
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5:25PM on 01/19/2016
There's a lot of knee jerk reactions here from people who don't know what they're talking about and have no business spouting their opinion regarding something they know nothing about.
Like the one guy bitching about how it's an award for "people who play dress up" even though these are the same people who this guy is playing armchair critic with on every other occasion, devoting his time and energy to argue about this or that nuance in their performance or whether they're a good match for
There's a lot of knee jerk reactions here from people who don't know what they're talking about and have no business spouting their opinion regarding something they know nothing about.
Like the one guy bitching about how it's an award for "people who play dress up" even though these are the same people who this guy is playing armchair critic with on every other occasion, devoting his time and energy to argue about this or that nuance in their performance or whether they're a good match for some super hero, but on this one day they're just people play dress up. Gimme a fucking break.
Imagine if you had a problem at your job - like maybe you kept getting passed over for employee of the month - and the second you speak up about it, a bunch of know nothing jackasses who have never done your job in their life jump in a and say you don't deserve it anyway. I bet that would piss you off
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5:35PM on 01/19/2016
Thanks tips. Listen, easy to judge others and you yourself be your own armchair quarterback. White males are being passed over for jobs nowadays time and time again because jobs are so scared of being labeled racists or what not so they are looking to hire more women and minorities even at the risk of them not being the BEST FOR THE JOB!!!!

Look at the Irish or the Scotts, they've been opressed by "the system" for hundreds and hundreds of years. It happens to everyone.

get over
Thanks tips. Listen, easy to judge others and you yourself be your own armchair quarterback. White males are being passed over for jobs nowadays time and time again because jobs are so scared of being labeled racists or what not so they are looking to hire more women and minorities even at the risk of them not being the BEST FOR THE JOB!!!!

Look at the Irish or the Scotts, they've been opressed by "the system" for hundreds and hundreds of years. It happens to everyone.

get over yourself

when movies like PRecious or dreamgirls come out THEY ARE RECOGNIZED. When an actor like Denzel or Sidney Poitier or Jennifer Hudson etc etc bring in an amazing performance...ITS RECOGZNIZED. When Michael B Jordan puts a serviceable performance and Tyler Perry puts an Awful performance in Madea and are passed over...its called RACISM!!! for petes sake get a hold of yourselves.

YES they need to start making scripts or greenlighting scripts that has more diversity. THAT is where the problem is.
5:44PM on 01/19/2016
"There's a lot of knee jerk reactions here from people who don't know what they're talking about and have no business spouting their opinion regarding something they know nothing about. "

this comment is how we know you're an asshole :) It's amazing that you know exactly what other people know.
"There's a lot of knee jerk reactions here from people who don't know what they're talking about and have no business spouting their opinion regarding something they know nothing about. "

this comment is how we know you're an asshole :) It's amazing that you know exactly what other people know.
6:03PM on 01/19/2016
"White males are being passed over for jobs nowadays time and time again..."

Oh my stars. I didn't know this was happening.

We should start a Go Fund Me page to help the MOST PRIVILEGED SET OF PEOPLE IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNIVERSE to have access to the all the good jobs the minorities are getting.
"White males are being passed over for jobs nowadays time and time again..."

Oh my stars. I didn't know this was happening.

We should start a Go Fund Me page to help the MOST PRIVILEGED SET OF PEOPLE IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNIVERSE to have access to the all the good jobs the minorities are getting.
6:08PM on 01/19/2016
"MOST PRIVILEGED SET OF PEOPLE IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNIVERSE "

tell that to the Jewish community. Tell that to the Irish. The catholics. Tell that to the poor living in Block communities in England. This list could go on and on.

You do know Blacks started slavery right? and in FACT the very first slave owner in the United States was black.
By the time the slave trade was abolished in the West, there were many more slaves in Africa.

You see a little education goes a LOOOOOONG
"MOST PRIVILEGED SET OF PEOPLE IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNIVERSE "

tell that to the Jewish community. Tell that to the Irish. The catholics. Tell that to the poor living in Block communities in England. This list could go on and on.

You do know Blacks started slavery right? and in FACT the very first slave owner in the United States was black.
By the time the slave trade was abolished in the West, there were many more slaves in Africa.

You see a little education goes a LOOOOOONG WAY.

Listen i am a proponent of EEEEEEEEQUAL rights across all genders/races/creed/ etc.

HOWEVER, to fight for those rights, you must make EDUCATED and CONCISE arguments to fight against oppression.

Moping that Samuel L JAcksons cock sucking speech should have won an academy aware or that Michael B Jordans serviceable performance in CREED should have been nominated is folly.
6:14PM on 01/19/2016
Sorry I'm so uneducated.
Somehow Forbes' list of the world's billionaires and Fortune 500 CEOs led me to believe that on the whole, white males were doing OK.
I must now review my entire concept of having wealth and power and access equals privilege.
And Sam Jackson was snubbed for Django, not really the Hateful Eight, in my opinion.
Sorry I'm so uneducated.
Somehow Forbes' list of the world's billionaires and Fortune 500 CEOs led me to believe that on the whole, white males were doing OK.
I must now review my entire concept of having wealth and power and access equals privilege.
And Sam Jackson was snubbed for Django, not really the Hateful Eight, in my opinion.
6:22PM on 01/19/2016
i'm glad you took into account european nations of a dominant white and asian countries that are predominantly ASIAN into your accounting of the fortune 500. So in predominantly white cultures like Germany, France, etc where the people and INDIGENOUS people are WHITE. It makes sense that most of them are on that list. And that big time corporations in china, japan etc, are ASIAN.....

You do realize that we as African Americans make up 13.2% of the American population. It just makes sense
i'm glad you took into account european nations of a dominant white and asian countries that are predominantly ASIAN into your accounting of the fortune 500. So in predominantly white cultures like Germany, France, etc where the people and INDIGENOUS people are WHITE. It makes sense that most of them are on that list. And that big time corporations in china, japan etc, are ASIAN.....

You do realize that we as African Americans make up 13.2% of the American population. It just makes sense that WHITE is predominant in a WHITE EUROPEAN (descended) COUNTRY.

Also I am glad that ALLLLLL of your education and reasoning is from Forbes. Great research pal.
7:23PM on 01/19/2016
White males' recognition of sarcasm is on the decline as well, it appears.
White males' recognition of sarcasm is on the decline as well, it appears.
10:34PM on 01/19/2016
People who have basic logic and reasoning skills have every right to comment on something that is not that complicated to understand. Judging something based on race instead of merit is in and of itself somewhat racist, because you are making a decision based on skin color.

Merit is colorblind.
People who have basic logic and reasoning skills have every right to comment on something that is not that complicated to understand. Judging something based on race instead of merit is in and of itself somewhat racist, because you are making a decision based on skin color.

Merit is colorblind.
10:38PM on 01/19/2016
Everybody is entitled to their opinion. Just poking a little fun at the white males as an underprivileged majority thing.
Everybody is entitled to their opinion. Just poking a little fun at the white males as an underprivileged majority thing.
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5:14PM on 01/19/2016

A movie being popular does not mean it is a great movie

I grew up an NWA fan. I was 15 when I heard Eazy-E's solo album. This does not mean the movie, and others like it have great acting, cinematography, etc. It just means the movies were fun. I loved Star Wars, loved it! But is Oscar worthy? Uh, no.
I grew up an NWA fan. I was 15 when I heard Eazy-E's solo album. This does not mean the movie, and others like it have great acting, cinematography, etc. It just means the movies were fun. I loved Star Wars, loved it! But is Oscar worthy? Uh, no.
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5:38PM on 01/19/2016
I agree with that point, as I stated in the piece. However, it's the lack of admission that there is a problem with diversity throughout the entire industry that I really find concerning.
I agree with that point, as I stated in the piece. However, it's the lack of admission that there is a problem with diversity throughout the entire industry that I really find concerning.
4:57PM on 01/19/2016
Lack of opportunity and available quality roles in actual quality films is the real issue. Using the logic presented here, I will be boycotting the upcoming NBA All Star game and all related events for their lack of Asian and Inuit selections to participate in the NBA's most talented field of competition.
Lack of opportunity and available quality roles in actual quality films is the real issue. Using the logic presented here, I will be boycotting the upcoming NBA All Star game and all related events for their lack of Asian and Inuit selections to participate in the NBA's most talented field of competition.
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4:57PM on 01/19/2016
If you are not good enough, you are not good enough.
Why should anyone get nominated just because off colour?!
After watching said movies, I can find no reason Elba, SLJ, Smith, Del Toro or especially B Jordan should have been. Elba was passable. SLJ and Del Toro were their usual hammy selves and Jordan just pouted his way through Creed.
If you are not good enough, you are not good enough.
Why should anyone get nominated just because off colour?!
After watching said movies, I can find no reason Elba, SLJ, Smith, Del Toro or especially B Jordan should have been. Elba was passable. SLJ and Del Toro were their usual hammy selves and Jordan just pouted his way through Creed.
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5:40PM on 01/19/2016
No one is saying that they should be nominated just because of color, like there should be a black slot in the acting categories. But there is a lack of these types of roles that are even under consideration going to people of color, which is where the lack of diversity and under-representation points have a great deal of validity.
No one is saying that they should be nominated just because of color, like there should be a black slot in the acting categories. But there is a lack of these types of roles that are even under consideration going to people of color, which is where the lack of diversity and under-representation points have a great deal of validity.
6:13PM on 01/19/2016
I disagree about Del Toro. He should have been nominated over Stallone or Bale.
I disagree about Del Toro. He should have been nominated over Stallone or Bale.
6:24PM on 01/19/2016
Del toro shouldve been nominated over Bale absolutely. But Soloist, we know you hate Rocky movies (just look at at all your comments this year about it) . You are biased. Stallone delivered the culmination of 5 decades worth of performances and knocked it out of the park.

(5 decades fyi 70's 80's 90's 2000's 2010's) thats how long Rocky has been around.
Del toro shouldve been nominated over Bale absolutely. But Soloist, we know you hate Rocky movies (just look at at all your comments this year about it) . You are biased. Stallone delivered the culmination of 5 decades worth of performances and knocked it out of the park.

(5 decades fyi 70's 80's 90's 2000's 2010's) thats how long Rocky has been around.
4:55PM on 01/19/2016

Here's the Rub

Is there a lack of diversity...yes. However, when movies like Straight out of Compton and Creed are popular, they cry foul that they weren't nominated. Michael B Jordan did a good job in an awesome movie, but artistically it wasn't phenomenal or exceptional. Also with Straight out of compton, that was a crowd pleaser but wasnt anything special in the end. Crying foul when you're expecting average to good movies to be nominated doesnt make sense. Also trying to get Chris Rock to opt out to fight
Is there a lack of diversity...yes. However, when movies like Straight out of Compton and Creed are popular, they cry foul that they weren't nominated. Michael B Jordan did a good job in an awesome movie, but artistically it wasn't phenomenal or exceptional. Also with Straight out of compton, that was a crowd pleaser but wasnt anything special in the end. Crying foul when you're expecting average to good movies to be nominated doesnt make sense. Also trying to get Chris Rock to opt out to fight FOR diversity is counter productive to their cause. You are REMOVING diversity. Imagine how much worse the whining would be if it was a white presenter too? Listen, when asians or blacks or whoever puts together a fantastic role, it WILL get recognized and nominated. Is there a lack of diversity in movies? Sure, but thats up to the producers and casting directors to rectify. Blacks and asians etc arent the OVERWHELMING majority in the US/Canada/UK etc. You think whites or blacks are crying foul in China because there is a lack of white people in movies over there?

Stop making Madea movies and start making more Philadelphias, and your diversity problem with solved.

also on a side note. Jada calling the Oscars the WHITE BET Awards is quite ironic considering its the BLACK entertainment Awards. do you see white people making a stink?
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5:32PM on 01/19/2016
Gotta give you props on the last point. I don't care but my response to that would be "well u have urs and we will have ours."
Gotta give you props on the last point. I don't care but my response to that would be "well u have urs and we will have ours."
5:48PM on 01/19/2016
Why would white people make a stink about the BET Awards when they have EVERYTHING else?
Why would white people make a stink about the BET Awards when they have EVERYTHING else?
6:02PM on 01/19/2016
you're telling me the NBA. FOOTBALL. The GRAMMYS (Beyonce anyone) where black performers and athletes DOMINATE is something white folk worry about?

Also, before any of you get any ideas. I am not white, but that shouldn't matter in a discussion because the moment you point out race as a trump card, you lose all credibility.
you're telling me the NBA. FOOTBALL. The GRAMMYS (Beyonce anyone) where black performers and athletes DOMINATE is something white folk worry about?

Also, before any of you get any ideas. I am not white, but that shouldn't matter in a discussion because the moment you point out race as a trump card, you lose all credibility.
6:42PM on 01/19/2016
I gotta agree with The_Conman on this one and I'M a "minority". It's childish to blame and boycott something like the Oscars. Straight Outta Comptom was fucking ass and it's a shame the majority can't see that. But when you've got a current movie going audience that supports trash like Age of Extinction then the problem is the state of disarray in film and Hollywood im general. Where horrible fuckin' movies are lauded as the next Citizen Kane. It's not just a problem that affects Blacks or
I gotta agree with The_Conman on this one and I'M a "minority". It's childish to blame and boycott something like the Oscars. Straight Outta Comptom was fucking ass and it's a shame the majority can't see that. But when you've got a current movie going audience that supports trash like Age of Extinction then the problem is the state of disarray in film and Hollywood im general. Where horrible fuckin' movies are lauded as the next Citizen Kane. It's not just a problem that affects Blacks or minorities. When you look at the bigger picture, the grand scale of things... It affects us all. Stop supporting trash and we won't get trash to nominate. A great film is a great film despite race. Fuckin' quote me on that.
7:59PM on 01/19/2016
The NFL and NBA are owned by white men. BET is owned by VIACOM, a company with a majority white male board of directors. This is not to be argumentative, it's just kind of strange to hold those entities up as being dominated by blacks, whe whites still call all the shots.
The NFL and NBA are owned by white men. BET is owned by VIACOM, a company with a majority white male board of directors. This is not to be argumentative, it's just kind of strange to hold those entities up as being dominated by blacks, whe whites still call all the shots.
10:55PM on 01/19/2016
I'm not making a stink about it. But con mans point, and my comment, which states i don't care, says that my response to a black person being angry about all white ppl being nominated and saying it's the white BET awards, in that instance I would say, well you have the black awards. It's a terrible argument on Jada's part. And I'm not sure how you didn't understand it InfamousKidd. It's not something I even feel, but it would be my response to Jada
I'm not making a stink about it. But con mans point, and my comment, which states i don't care, says that my response to a black person being angry about all white ppl being nominated and saying it's the white BET awards, in that instance I would say, well you have the black awards. It's a terrible argument on Jada's part. And I'm not sure how you didn't understand it InfamousKidd. It's not something I even feel, but it would be my response to Jada
7:05AM on 01/20/2016
So what is an "exceptional" film since you're such an expert of knowing? because in my opinion The Revenant was mediocre besides Leo and Hardy's parts the cast was just alright and Straight Outta Compton had a better ensemble to me.
So what is an "exceptional" film since you're such an expert of knowing? because in my opinion The Revenant was mediocre besides Leo and Hardy's parts the cast was just alright and Straight Outta Compton had a better ensemble to me.
4:55PM on 01/19/2016

ridiculous

So fucking what, a person of colour didn't get a nomination, cry me a river. The Oscars are a joke anyways handing out awards to people who are already overpaid to play dress up and pretend. and Spike Lee is an annoying pick, if he put as much time into his movies as he's does bitching about equality I might still watch his films.
So fucking what, a person of colour didn't get a nomination, cry me a river. The Oscars are a joke anyways handing out awards to people who are already overpaid to play dress up and pretend. and Spike Lee is an annoying pick, if he put as much time into his movies as he's does bitching about equality I might still watch his films.
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