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The Terminator franchise will return after some "re-adjusting"

10.06.2015

Unfortunately that feeling we had in our gut leading up to the release of TERMINATOR: GENISYS turned out to be correct; while the end result wasn't without its fans, the critical and commercial thrashing that the film received seemed to put a nail in the Terminator's coffin. Instead of being the launch of a brand-new Terminator franchise, TERMINATOR: GENISYS instead led the entire franchise to be "put on hold indefinitely." D'oh.

However, Skydance Media Chief Creative Officer Dana Goldberg recently discussed the future of Terminator at TheWrap’s 6th Annual Media Leadership Conference; she admitted that TERMINATOR: GENISYS's domestic box-office was less than ideal (the film grossed almost $90 million in the U.S.) but denied that the franchise was being put on hold saying, "I wouldn’t say on hold, so much as re-adjusting." However TERMINATOR: GENISYS performed much better in the rest of the world, taking in $350 million, which has kept Terminator's lifeboat afloat.

Happily, we live in the world where the domestic number [doesn't have the] level of importance [it did] 10 or 15 years ago — I’m not saying it’s not important, it is — but we have to play to a worldwide market, in terms of ‘Terminator,’ the worldwide market paid attention, but we’re not taking the domestic number lightly.

Thankfully Dana Goldberg and Skydance won't just take that overseas box-office as a win, but will instead take a look at what went wrong with TERMINATOR: GENISYS and find out what fans really want in a sequel. Goldberg said that the company will use "data and research to do a worldwide study and really talk to audiences about what they loved, and what maybe didn’t work for them, so that the next step we take with the franchise is the right one.” Good luck with that.

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7:52PM on 10/07/2015

ENOUGH!

I feel about Terminator as I feel about Alien and Highlander. The respective franchises should have stopped at the first (or first two) movies, no sequels, only MAYBE "prequels" as long as they stuck to the canon storyline (screw you, Lucas). Alien and Aliens and nothing more. Highlander and nothing more (not even the series). Terminator and Terminator 2 and nothing more.
FFS can't anyone get the fact that the entire future depicted in Terminator is a causality loop? Skynet can't be
I feel about Terminator as I feel about Alien and Highlander. The respective franchises should have stopped at the first (or first two) movies, no sequels, only MAYBE "prequels" as long as they stuck to the canon storyline (screw you, Lucas). Alien and Aliens and nothing more. Highlander and nothing more (not even the series). Terminator and Terminator 2 and nothing more.
FFS can't anyone get the fact that the entire future depicted in Terminator is a causality loop? Skynet can't be stopped because Skynet is the means, motive, and opportunity for every attempt at stopping it and, without Skynet being created, no reason would exist to go back. Yet, even if the human characters can't figure it out (even super-smart Miles Bennett Dyson), you'd think the AI-driven terminators would have come to the same conclusion and realized the futility of their missions. So the same regurgitated plot rambles on, an FX vomit-fest shamelessly attempt to milk the cash cow on all tits, with or without Schwarzenegger, usually to the detriment of the storyline as a whole.
Hollywood...get original...get creative...or get lost.
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5:48PM on 10/07/2015
The future war as depicted in T1 and T2.

How many fans have to repeatedly say this before their research and studies confirm it?
The future war as depicted in T1 and T2.

How many fans have to repeatedly say this before their research and studies confirm it?
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8:44AM on 10/07/2015
Its fallen into the same territory as the alien franchise. Both having two classic films that were supposed to end the story. If they are to make another movie they need to write off the last three made, in order to get the writers back on track. Maybe the reasoning for the inevitable war was that T2 didnt End it. It just slowed down the progression of Cyberdyne after destroying the evidence from T1 and T2. Then people can see the Future War as intended and as posted below by Anomoly 7. Kyle
Its fallen into the same territory as the alien franchise. Both having two classic films that were supposed to end the story. If they are to make another movie they need to write off the last three made, in order to get the writers back on track. Maybe the reasoning for the inevitable war was that T2 didnt End it. It just slowed down the progression of Cyberdyne after destroying the evidence from T1 and T2. Then people can see the Future War as intended and as posted below by Anomoly 7. Kyle Reece even says in the first one 'We had won' So like Anomoly says it should end with Kyle going back in time to complete the time loop.
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8:25AM on 10/07/2015
I watched Terminator Genisys with my teenage son. I had a good time. I was entertained by it. I liked it. They were trying to take it somewhere different but maintain what Terminator movies are all about.
I watched Terminator Genisys with my teenage son. I had a good time. I was entertained by it. I liked it. They were trying to take it somewhere different but maintain what Terminator movies are all about.
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8:02AM on 10/07/2015
Hopefully Dana Goldberg goes on Google and finds this message board.
Hopefully Dana Goldberg goes on Google and finds this message board.
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7:24AM on 10/07/2015

An Idea

How about Terminator Fans rise up against the studio to stop them making another movie. Could be quite a good thing to watch.
How about Terminator Fans rise up against the studio to stop them making another movie. Could be quite a good thing to watch.
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5:34AM on 10/07/2015
Calling it now, the next version will have an Asian star or an Asian Terminator that does martial arts. It will be set in the future where the proper society has arisen from the ashes, a Communist Chinese one. And they will be fighting against the evils that the United States brought upon the world.
Calling it now, the next version will have an Asian star or an Asian Terminator that does martial arts. It will be set in the future where the proper society has arisen from the ashes, a Communist Chinese one. And they will be fighting against the evils that the United States brought upon the world.
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7:21AM on 10/07/2015
LOL.

Although I think Communism is evil.
LOL.

Although I think Communism is evil.
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3:28AM on 10/07/2015
Just let this franchise die already. At this point, it's an old ass dog that can't walk, will have every bone in its body broken if you touch it, and needs to be put down.
Just let this franchise die already. At this point, it's an old ass dog that can't walk, will have every bone in its body broken if you touch it, and needs to be put down.
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2:23AM on 10/07/2015
A Terminator movie put together by market research polls, they're even admitting that there's no specific vision or creative endeavour behind it anymore. A Terminator made by machines..
A Terminator movie put together by market research polls, they're even admitting that there's no specific vision or creative endeavour behind it anymore. A Terminator made by machines..
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1:12AM on 10/07/2015
What's to look at? It was the marketing that ruined the plot twist. The movie was okay in itself. If there is anything else that they could look at is Jai Courtney. Nobody likes him.
What's to look at? It was the marketing that ruined the plot twist. The movie was okay in itself. If there is anything else that they could look at is Jai Courtney. Nobody likes him.
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1:06AM on 10/07/2015
Suggestion #1 for revitalizing the Terminator franchise: Don't. Since T2 you've had 3 movies and a TV series achieve poor to middling reception. The only one who has ever been able to make Terminator a success is James Cameron. So you either need to get him back on board (PS: You won't), or just scrap it altogether and come up with something new for fans to enjoy.

And while you're at it, don't give away your major plot twists right in the trailer. That's just idiotic.
Suggestion #1 for revitalizing the Terminator franchise: Don't. Since T2 you've had 3 movies and a TV series achieve poor to middling reception. The only one who has ever been able to make Terminator a success is James Cameron. So you either need to get him back on board (PS: You won't), or just scrap it altogether and come up with something new for fans to enjoy.

And while you're at it, don't give away your major plot twists right in the trailer. That's just idiotic.
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11:54PM on 10/06/2015

here's a premise for where to take Terminator...

META.
that's right. the movie studio takes all of their budget to create a computer that will use algorithms to understand why people don't like Terminator movies any more. it becomes self-aware. it creates a killer robot in young Arnold's image. he goes back in time to 2012 when they were developing Terminator Genisys. he kills the guy who came up with the title "Genisys". he kills the guy who wrote the John Connor plot twist. he kills Jai Courtney. the future is saved. end franchise.
META.
that's right. the movie studio takes all of their budget to create a computer that will use algorithms to understand why people don't like Terminator movies any more. it becomes self-aware. it creates a killer robot in young Arnold's image. he goes back in time to 2012 when they were developing Terminator Genisys. he kills the guy who came up with the title "Genisys". he kills the guy who wrote the John Connor plot twist. he kills Jai Courtney. the future is saved. end franchise.
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11:10PM on 10/06/2015
"data and research to do a worldwide study and really talk to audiences about what they loved, and what maybe didnít work for them, so that the next step we take with the franchise is the right one.Ē

This is exactly why it sucked! Any fan who loves The Terminator will tell you that it ended with part two, so stop. Any other data you get is just going to take you down the same shit hole the last few films went down. LEAVE IT ALONE! Plus, films should not be based on freaking data!!!!!
"data and research to do a worldwide study and really talk to audiences about what they loved, and what maybe didnít work for them, so that the next step we take with the franchise is the right one.Ē

This is exactly why it sucked! Any fan who loves The Terminator will tell you that it ended with part two, so stop. Any other data you get is just going to take you down the same shit hole the last few films went down. LEAVE IT ALONE! Plus, films should not be based on freaking data!!!!! Morons.
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11:03PM on 10/06/2015
They can start by replacing a curly-haired balding John Connor for somebody with a more commanding presence. Oh, and fire the moron who made the trailers. That was some dumb & dumber shit right there. If they make another, sure it will make some money. But it will be like a walking corpse. Bury the damned thing already.
They can start by replacing a curly-haired balding John Connor for somebody with a more commanding presence. Oh, and fire the moron who made the trailers. That was some dumb & dumber shit right there. If they make another, sure it will make some money. But it will be like a walking corpse. Bury the damned thing already.
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10:49PM on 10/06/2015
They can start by firing whoever responsible for making Terminator Genisys trailer. It just spoiled the whole movie with the trailer.
They can start by firing whoever responsible for making Terminator Genisys trailer. It just spoiled the whole movie with the trailer.
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10:42PM on 10/06/2015

This could all be just damage control.

They want to put a positive spin on a rather negative situation.
They want to put a positive spin on a rather negative situation.
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10:34PM on 10/06/2015

oh great another Terminator movie made by a committee

How about no more Terminator. every movie after Cameron's first two films have been gotten worst and feeling more like fan films than an actual film with characters & story. No more. They've milked this franchise enough. Let it go man. It's dead. Making another convoluted sequel, no matter how much re-adjustment is done is not necessary. The tought of a sequel built and conceived based on some bs research is sad. I hopefully whenever Cameron gets his rights back he'll keep this series
How about no more Terminator. every movie after Cameron's first two films have been gotten worst and feeling more like fan films than an actual film with characters & story. No more. They've milked this franchise enough. Let it go man. It's dead. Making another convoluted sequel, no matter how much re-adjustment is done is not necessary. The tought of a sequel built and conceived based on some bs research is sad. I hopefully whenever Cameron gets his rights back he'll keep this series Terminated. Enough!
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10:30PM on 10/06/2015
Just stop doing these movies please..;
Just stop doing these movies please..;
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10:28PM on 10/06/2015
First, ignore the alternate timeline from Genisys, and everyone involved with it. Second, quit trying to make each new film some starting point for another trilogy. That's the biggest problem with the last couple films. Terminator needs one more film to end the series on a high note, and that is it. Let us see Conner actually be the leader he was meant to be, a general leading exhausted and out-numbered band of resistance fighters. Let it end with Kyle going back in time, and bring the whole
First, ignore the alternate timeline from Genisys, and everyone involved with it. Second, quit trying to make each new film some starting point for another trilogy. That's the biggest problem with the last couple films. Terminator needs one more film to end the series on a high note, and that is it. Let us see Conner actually be the leader he was meant to be, a general leading exhausted and out-numbered band of resistance fighters. Let it end with Kyle going back in time, and bring the whole series together.
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10:01PM on 10/06/2015
I just really wish we got a straight up sequel to Terminator Salvation that further expanded on and showcased the actual war that was showcased in Cameron's Terminator films. The fact that the franchise went backwards with its storyline (and also confusing) just makes me not care anymore about future sequels.

And drop Jai Courtney while you're at it as well.
I just really wish we got a straight up sequel to Terminator Salvation that further expanded on and showcased the actual war that was showcased in Cameron's Terminator films. The fact that the franchise went backwards with its storyline (and also confusing) just makes me not care anymore about future sequels.

And drop Jai Courtney while you're at it as well.
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9:57PM on 10/06/2015
So a worldwide study on what audiences loved and what didn't work, hey? Who do they talk to? They have a worldwide system called the internet at their disposal but I highly doubt they'll put a notice out saying "Tell us your thoughts and ideas on how to improve the series and where it should go, and what can be improved" which in my opinion would be a fantastic idea. Sure, you'd get a few smartass and dumb replies, but I know genuine fans of the series (myself included) would love to have input
So a worldwide study on what audiences loved and what didn't work, hey? Who do they talk to? They have a worldwide system called the internet at their disposal but I highly doubt they'll put a notice out saying "Tell us your thoughts and ideas on how to improve the series and where it should go, and what can be improved" which in my opinion would be a fantastic idea. Sure, you'd get a few smartass and dumb replies, but I know genuine fans of the series (myself included) would love to have input on the future of the terminator franchise, since the heads of Hollywood seem to keep fucking up these movies and can't come up with proper ideas themselves.

But no, they'll most likely talk to 'industry insiders' who think they know what went wrong, but are just as naive as the people who are asking the questions.
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9:40PM on 10/06/2015
The only thing wrong about GENYSIS is that it exist. I think a lot of fans are content with having the franchise end with T2, but they just had to remake and reimagine T2 to tug on our nostalgia strings and managed to ruined it as well. If they want to keep the franchise going, they might need to expand the universe a whole lot more. By centering the whole franchise around John Connor they've basically written themselves into a corner.
The only thing wrong about GENYSIS is that it exist. I think a lot of fans are content with having the franchise end with T2, but they just had to remake and reimagine T2 to tug on our nostalgia strings and managed to ruined it as well. If they want to keep the franchise going, they might need to expand the universe a whole lot more. By centering the whole franchise around John Connor they've basically written themselves into a corner.
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9:30PM on 10/06/2015

Im all for more movies

This movie is underrated. It was one of the better summer movies and very enjoyable. Did it have issues? Sure, but so did Mad Max, Avengers and other films.
This movie is underrated. It was one of the better summer movies and very enjoyable. Did it have issues? Sure, but so did Mad Max, Avengers and other films.
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9:29PM on 10/06/2015
Look I don't want another one any more than anyone (and I say that someone who has yet to see it and hasn't hated a film in the franchise yet) but If we really are going to endure at least one more I like that they are going to try and talk to the fans. The internet has allowed for unprecedented access between fans and studios and while that's not always a good thing I have to say I would rather have them asking fans than giving it to people who come up with stupid ideas like making John
Look I don't want another one any more than anyone (and I say that someone who has yet to see it and hasn't hated a film in the franchise yet) but If we really are going to endure at least one more I like that they are going to try and talk to the fans. The internet has allowed for unprecedented access between fans and studios and while that's not always a good thing I have to say I would rather have them asking fans than giving it to people who come up with stupid ideas like making John Connor the villain.
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8:46PM on 10/06/2015

Here is an idea for Dana...

Give the rights back to James Cameron and let this franchise end in peace.
Give the rights back to James Cameron and let this franchise end in peace.
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