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Jun. 26, 2009by: James Thoo

I personally didn't find "the twins" that offensive when I was watching TRANSFORMERS: REVENGE OF THE FALLEN. I thought they were annoying and completely unnecessary and they killed scenes all by themselves and if they didn't kill a scene they only let it survive through an immense suck-based form of brinkmanship. But yes, I can see the argument. Anyway, turns out they were all Michael Bay:

Switching back to Transformers, I heard that the gold tooth was Bays idea, but do you have anything to say to people who found The Twins offensive?

Orci: Number one, we sympathize. Yes, the gold tooth was not in the script. Thats true.

Kurtzman: Its really hard for us to sit here and try to justify it. I think that would be very foolish, and if someone wants to be offended by it, its their right. We were very surprised when we saw it, too, and its a choice that was made. I think if anything it shows you that we dont control every aspect of the movie.

Were you offended by them?

Kurtzman: I wasnt thrilled. I certainly wasnt thrilled.


Look, I just didn't like the film. I'm not saying that if you liked it you're an idiot or anything, and I'm certainly not some art-house Nazi, because I absolutely loved the first one and I have enjoyed worse. But it just felt like the only thing I hated about the first one (the goofy humor) was blown up and used a hundred percent more in this one. I also found it extremely difficult to see who was hurting who and when, whenever the robots fought. I also hated specific plot points that I won't go into and spoil for people, but they all revolved around Megatron. Anyway, I'm saying all of this because I don't want us to get into the same arguments we got into yesterday. Let's all be friends!

Extra Tidbit: I've heard Bay was NOT responsible for the "balls" incident.

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10:07AM on 06/26/2009

they aren't that bad

Wheelie and Frenzy (first movie) were both less funny and more cringe-inducing than the Twins. They weren't even in it that much to my recollection. People just need to calm down. Don't like the movie? Fine, understandable. But it is not the worst movie ever made, and the Twins are not racist.
Wheelie and Frenzy (first movie) were both less funny and more cringe-inducing than the Twins. They weren't even in it that much to my recollection. People just need to calm down. Don't like the movie? Fine, understandable. But it is not the worst movie ever made, and the Twins are not racist.
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10:29AM on 06/26/2009

The twins aren't racist!

Acerbus: "The Twins are not racist"

You're right. They aren't. And that is not the argument. The twins were terrible stereotypes with some of the worst dialogue ever written in film history. A film like Transformers should've never had the word Pussy in it. I witnessed a couple leaving the theatre with their 8 or 9 year old boy after the twins started appearing more frequently. Bad taste for Bay.
Acerbus: "The Twins are not racist"

You're right. They aren't. And that is not the argument. The twins were terrible stereotypes with some of the worst dialogue ever written in film history. A film like Transformers should've never had the word Pussy in it. I witnessed a couple leaving the theatre with their 8 or 9 year old boy after the twins started appearing more frequently. Bad taste for Bay.
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11:42AM on 06/26/2009

wtf

WTF? you might say the arguement isnt that their racist, but that's been tonnes of peoples POV's from what i've read on forums etc.

D'you know what? i haven't even seen the fucking film yet, but hearing all this racist bullshit is pissin me off.. everyones screws are screwed to fucking tight, with a fucking politically correct screw driver!!

has anyone seen pulp fiction or True Romance???? QT straight disses the blacks, i didn't see no-one saying shit about that.... and if you try and
WTF? you might say the arguement isnt that their racist, but that's been tonnes of peoples POV's from what i've read on forums etc.

D'you know what? i haven't even seen the fucking film yet, but hearing all this racist bullshit is pissin me off.. everyones screws are screwed to fucking tight, with a fucking politically correct screw driver!!

has anyone seen pulp fiction or True Romance???? QT straight disses the blacks, i didn't see no-one saying shit about that.... and if you try and tell me, that when trying to derogatise someone, by saying theyve got nigga blood in there sicilian bloodline isn't racist, then i'll relax my tongue and shut the fuck up...

btw, dennis hopper, christopher walken, true romance.... GREAT FUCKIN SCENE. hehehe

ALSO, just to point out something i read someone else, the Transformers got there personalities from the internet, where a lot of things ARE sterotyped... maybe that's why they act the way they do... i can't wait to see this film now, just to see the reasons for all this controversy.

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12:14PM on 06/26/2009
Yeah, Megatron being somebody's bitch is really out of character. Frankly, the Sambo-bots are really bad stereotypes. If they had been humans in the movie, I fairly sure people would be in the streets looking to string up Bay.....I mean more so than usual.
Yeah, Megatron being somebody's bitch is really out of character. Frankly, the Sambo-bots are really bad stereotypes. If they had been humans in the movie, I fairly sure people would be in the streets looking to string up Bay.....I mean more so than usual.
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12:31PM on 06/26/2009
We need to start executing everybody who even utters the word "racist" on sight.
We need to start executing everybody who even utters the word "racist" on sight.
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1:23PM on 06/26/2009

tailgunner

when racism goes away we will abolish the word.

ps- racist doesnt mean it's intentional. I'm sure Bay isnt in the KKK... just not up to speed on black sensibilities.

"Don't be alarmed, we're negroes!"
when racism goes away we will abolish the word.

ps- racist doesnt mean it's intentional. I'm sure Bay isnt in the KKK... just not up to speed on black sensibilities.

"Don't be alarmed, we're negroes!"
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1:59PM on 06/26/2009
It boggles my mind how riled up this movie is making some people. It's like Indy 4 times 1,000. Chill the fuck out. Screaming for Bay's head, wishing death upon the writers, cursing people for liking it or not liking it. sigh.
It boggles my mind how riled up this movie is making some people. It's like Indy 4 times 1,000. Chill the fuck out. Screaming for Bay's head, wishing death upon the writers, cursing people for liking it or not liking it. sigh.
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2:05PM on 06/26/2009

megan fox blow job

on a scale of 1 - 10, how good do you think her blow jobs are? she's probably given several hundred by now. so she's bound to have had some practice.
and you know when she's drunk (or sober for that matter) she's probably totally into anal.
on a scale of 1 - 10, how good do you think her blow jobs are? she's probably given several hundred by now. so she's bound to have had some practice.
and you know when she's drunk (or sober for that matter) she's probably totally into anal.
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2:23PM on 06/26/2009

@DAFORCE

Actually, Megatron aka Galvatron was Unicron's bitch in the cartoon movie so you are wrong, it is totally in character.
Actually, Megatron aka Galvatron was Unicron's bitch in the cartoon movie so you are wrong, it is totally in character.
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3:08PM on 06/26/2009
The movie was a movie based off a cartoon, based off toys. I think they did a pretty damn good job creating an addition to the first film (which had no story). The movie was what a summer movie should be. The only things I would have liked to see differently are the parents taken from the beginning and cut some minutes from the action. Other then that I really liked the movie all around. But what do I know, my favorite summer movie so far this year is Terminator Salvation, which everyone hates
The movie was a movie based off a cartoon, based off toys. I think they did a pretty damn good job creating an addition to the first film (which had no story). The movie was what a summer movie should be. The only things I would have liked to see differently are the parents taken from the beginning and cut some minutes from the action. Other then that I really liked the movie all around. But what do I know, my favorite summer movie so far this year is Terminator Salvation, which everyone hates too. I think thats why I like them more, because a lot of douche people aren't on the bandwagon. People just have terrible attitudes towards Bay and McG. Get over it and move on.
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3:09PM on 06/26/2009
Not to be a PC Nazi but I have to correct everyone. It's not racist- it's "Racial"

-Megan Fox blow job? I'm gonna have to say 5/10. She doesn't strike me as someone that is on par with Paris Hilton.
Not to be a PC Nazi but I have to correct everyone. It's not racist- it's "Racial"

-Megan Fox blow job? I'm gonna have to say 5/10. She doesn't strike me as someone that is on par with Paris Hilton.
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3:35PM on 06/26/2009

If you haven't seen Transformers yet, don't post here.

Regardless of all the racist BS, am I the only one that thinks the word "Pussy" should not be uttered by an Autobot? Why does Bay think so low of his audience? Are we really that dumb?
Regardless of all the racist BS, am I the only one that thinks the word "Pussy" should not be uttered by an Autobot? Why does Bay think so low of his audience? Are we really that dumb?
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4:14PM on 06/26/2009

I thought it was awesome

I liked it.. Yeah the twins were OTT im pretty sure i heard one of them drop the N word during the movie to. I dont think people are clued up on African American "sensibilities" If the whole cinema laughs when the twins crack a joke. But i love the forest its amazing
I liked it.. Yeah the twins were OTT im pretty sure i heard one of them drop the N word during the movie to. I dont think people are clued up on African American "sensibilities" If the whole cinema laughs when the twins crack a joke. But i love the forest its amazing
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4:24PM on 06/26/2009

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Megatron was Unicron's bitch because Unicron could actually kill other robots. The Fallen was definitely no Unicron. No matter how much shit he talked about only being able to be taken down by a Prime.
Megatron was Unicron's bitch because Unicron could actually kill other robots. The Fallen was definitely no Unicron. No matter how much shit he talked about only being able to be taken down by a Prime.
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6:54PM on 06/26/2009
actually the only part I laughed during the movie is when they admit they couldn't read....

and they weren't that bad..at least they aren't seen kicking back drinking 40's and smoking menthol cigarettes sheesh.

On a different note I'm suprise religious groups aren't up in arms over "Robot Heaven".
actually the only part I laughed during the movie is when they admit they couldn't read....

and they weren't that bad..at least they aren't seen kicking back drinking 40's and smoking menthol cigarettes sheesh.

On a different note I'm suprise religious groups aren't up in arms over "Robot Heaven".
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9:18PM on 06/26/2009

LOL @

SO is that were Jazz is? He was sterotyped. How come no ones going craxy over that?
SO is that were Jazz is? He was sterotyped. How come no ones going craxy over that?
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12:29AM on 06/27/2009
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12:35AM on 06/27/2009
i'm an art house movie freak. stanley kubrick is my favorite director of all time. and yet, i still don't get why people are hating on this movie like it's the anti-christ. it was entertaining as fuck! it was everything you could ask from a michael bay film. if it was any better, good even, well shit! -- it wouldn't be a michael bay film! surely not a great movie by any means, but not as terrible as everyone are bitching and whining about.

wolverine didn't even get this much shit, and that
i'm an art house movie freak. stanley kubrick is my favorite director of all time. and yet, i still don't get why people are hating on this movie like it's the anti-christ. it was entertaining as fuck! it was everything you could ask from a michael bay film. if it was any better, good even, well shit! -- it wouldn't be a michael bay film! surely not a great movie by any means, but not as terrible as everyone are bitching and whining about.

wolverine didn't even get this much shit, and that film my friends really deserved it.
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1:00AM on 06/27/2009
I loved the twins and every one in the session loved tham too
I loved the twins and every one in the session loved tham too
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4:00PM on 06/27/2009

Agreed

For every Robotic punch in the film there was 20 jeuvinnile jokes from humans...
For every Robotic punch in the film there was 20 jeuvinnile jokes from humans...
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5:59PM on 06/27/2009

ejebucate u selv

you know, before you go and start tearring apart a great thing Bay is doing, why don't you haters go and watch the originals...then maybe you will understand what he was actually going for.I mean come on, Weird Al contributed to the G1 movie!I think it was on par with the originals with modern day additions.The twins, though obnoxious, were fitting for this day and age.And the only ones mad are probably the ons with their pants below their ass and expect you to move out their way while their
you know, before you go and start tearring apart a great thing Bay is doing, why don't you haters go and watch the originals...then maybe you will understand what he was actually going for.I mean come on, Weird Al contributed to the G1 movie!I think it was on par with the originals with modern day additions.The twins, though obnoxious, were fitting for this day and age.And the only ones mad are probably the ons with their pants below their ass and expect you to move out their way while their buying ridiculous neclaces and gold teeth....wait....does that give them personality? Well if you can dress and talk like that then why not a misshapen robot? At least Bay hasn't raped them like most of the marvel Icons have been in recent movies....
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9:48PM on 06/27/2009

Bay Sucks

I don't care the movie sucked anyways.
I don't care the movie sucked anyways.
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2:01AM on 06/29/2009
Thoo: "But it just felt like the only thing I hated about the first one (the goofy humor) was blown up and used a hundred percent more in this one."

THANK YOU. Exactly.
Thoo: "But it just felt like the only thing I hated about the first one (the goofy humor) was blown up and used a hundred percent more in this one."

THANK YOU. Exactly.
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2:41AM on 06/29/2009

Let me ask a question:

Exactly who is it that Bay (and whoever else) is trying to 'stereotype' and supposedly shit on with the inclusion of the twins? Careful, because the next question I'm going to ask is how you're not stereotyping with your answer.
Exactly who is it that Bay (and whoever else) is trying to 'stereotype' and supposedly shit on with the inclusion of the twins? Careful, because the next question I'm going to ask is how you're not stereotyping with your answer.
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2:49AM on 06/29/2009

Sorry

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1:20PM on 06/29/2009

Most of you need to calm down.

Djinon How is he sterotyping. Twins aren't supposed to be the heroes of the film they are mainly there for comic relief. And first of all the robot learned the earths language form the INTERNET. THey heard every dialect known to man. So they bots just went with what was close to their personality. And you just cant go thinking about all this shit outside in the real world when you watch a movie. Its a Damn movie how many people out there are actually like that. Use you damn imagination and look
Djinon How is he sterotyping. Twins aren't supposed to be the heroes of the film they are mainly there for comic relief. And first of all the robot learned the earths language form the INTERNET. THey heard every dialect known to man. So they bots just went with what was close to their personality. And you just cant go thinking about all this shit outside in the real world when you watch a movie. Its a Damn movie how many people out there are actually like that. Use you damn imagination and look deeper into the movie. And another point to the person who said Autobots shouldnt use the word "Pussy" its a word that has many different meanings. and of course they dont have it back on Cybertron they did learn it from the internet and are using it in a completely different sense.

Personally I loved the twins. Best part is when they are fighting over the new cars.
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1:21PM on 06/29/2009

Most of you need to calm down.

Djinon How is he sterotyping. Twins aren't supposed to be the heroes of the film they are mainly there for comic relief. And first of all the robot learned the earths language form the INTERNET. THey heard every dialect known to man. So they bots just went with what was close to their personality. And you just cant go thinking about all this shit outside in the real world when you watch a movie. Its a Damn movie how many people out there are actually like that. Use you damn imagination and look
Djinon How is he sterotyping. Twins aren't supposed to be the heroes of the film they are mainly there for comic relief. And first of all the robot learned the earths language form the INTERNET. THey heard every dialect known to man. So they bots just went with what was close to their personality. And you just cant go thinking about all this shit outside in the real world when you watch a movie. Its a Damn movie how many people out there are actually like that. Use you damn imagination and look deeper into the movie. And another point to the person who said Autobots shouldnt use the word "Pussy" its a word that has many different meanings. and of course they dont have it back on Cybertron they did learn it from the internet and are using it in a completely different sense.

Personally I loved the twins. Best part is when they are fighting over the new cars.
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2:03PM on 06/29/2009

Meh...

I didn't feel like they were offensive stereotypes- Even the gold tooth thing didn't bother me... some people like their gold teeth. In fact, I had read all the hoopla, negative reviews and Bay-Bashing before I went and saw this - and was actually relieved to find the movie wasn't THAT bad... it wasn't good- but it wasn't an abomination. In fact, the worst part of it was just that it was too long. I found my mind wandering through the last 45 minutes (sandy explosions can only hold my interest
I didn't feel like they were offensive stereotypes- Even the gold tooth thing didn't bother me... some people like their gold teeth. In fact, I had read all the hoopla, negative reviews and Bay-Bashing before I went and saw this - and was actually relieved to find the movie wasn't THAT bad... it wasn't good- but it wasn't an abomination. In fact, the worst part of it was just that it was too long. I found my mind wandering through the last 45 minutes (sandy explosions can only hold my interest for so long) ...I even thought the balls were sort of funny until John Turturro had to make a big deal of them. It felt like just one of the weird episodes of the cartoon and I think it was just more disappointing to see that the Transformers hadn't been re-invented and grown-up the way we thought they were in the first movie... nope- they're just more expensive saturday morning cartoon characters... you know, for kids!
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4:43PM on 06/29/2009

Djinon

Apparently, you seem to think stereotypes are identified the way an art critic tries to identify what an artist was thinking when they did a given painting. This is incorrect. There are very specific measurements you can use to identify stereotyping. Historically, stereotypes of blacks are incredibly consistent, be they visually-based, personality-based, or habit-based. They're easily categorized, and you rarely find crossovers (obviously, since the more complex or nuanced a stereotype is,
Apparently, you seem to think stereotypes are identified the way an art critic tries to identify what an artist was thinking when they did a given painting. This is incorrect. There are very specific measurements you can use to identify stereotyping. Historically, stereotypes of blacks are incredibly consistent, be they visually-based, personality-based, or habit-based. They're easily categorized, and you rarely find crossovers (obviously, since the more complex or nuanced a stereotype is, the less it's a stereotype). A stereotype in general is either created because there's a lack of information/abundance of misinformation about a group of people, or there's an active desire to discredit a group of people. They might start life as wrong or oversimplified ideas about how a subculture lives, but only those endemic enough to become culturally standardized truly count as stereotypes. My belief that all Asians are extremely good at jumprope, therefore, doesn't count.

But identifying a stereotype has nothing to do with intent. Many times - especially past the 70s - stereotyping will happen completely by accident. Looking at his past work, it's safe to say that Michael Bay is not a racist. It's also safe to say that he doesn't understand black culture at all, but wishes he did. So any possible stereotyping he does will be completely accidental. It will still be stereotyping, though.

My question to your follow up: after this explanation, do you still believe stereotyping is SO subjective that it only works as a Rorschach test?
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6:44PM on 06/29/2009

To Grand

You make and excellent point. And i would just like to add that This has got to be the most I have ever seen people talk about sterotypes then any other movie. Every movie will have sterotypes some less then others but like Grand said most of the time its all accidental. But their are plenty of movies who go way overboard stereotype wise and here alot of you are going crazy because a few robots represent those stereotype. Like seriously just chill out just a little bit. I will say this again
You make and excellent point. And i would just like to add that This has got to be the most I have ever seen people talk about sterotypes then any other movie. Every movie will have sterotypes some less then others but like Grand said most of the time its all accidental. But their are plenty of movies who go way overboard stereotype wise and here alot of you are going crazy because a few robots represent those stereotype. Like seriously just chill out just a little bit. I will say this again its a MOVIE!!!! Not real life.
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2:39AM on 07/01/2009

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You're pretty much matching my point. My border is red because I disagree with the article's body/point - that there's negative stereotypes in the film. Talking with slang isn't relegated to a certain 'type' of person anymore, no matter how much trouble-starting 'watchdogs' try to say otherwise. There's no problem with how they act/talk/look in the movie, but some people have to whine because that's what they've devoted their life to.

The response I was trying to point out the faults of is
You're pretty much matching my point. My border is red because I disagree with the article's body/point - that there's negative stereotypes in the film. Talking with slang isn't relegated to a certain 'type' of person anymore, no matter how much trouble-starting 'watchdogs' try to say otherwise. There's no problem with how they act/talk/look in the movie, but some people have to whine because that's what they've devoted their life to.

The response I was trying to point out the faults of is 'well, blacks of course.' The reason there's a problem with this movie is because there are so very many people out there that are quick to judge and to stereotype themselves. Why is it that the slang and attitude was offensive? Because 'they' do it? I'm sorry, but who are 'they?' When I watched the movie, I just saw a pair of personalities different from any of the other robots. That's it. I didn't try to guess what skin color they'd be if human, because THAT'S STEREOTYPING. Everyone bitching about the twins in this movie are stereotyping, not Michael Bay. Or the voice actors or producers, an entire group of people that these whiners are ignoring that had a hand in all this too, whether directly or by inaction.

There's nothing wrong with the twins. People pointing out that there's a problem need to go take a look in the mirror.
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6:00PM on 07/02/2009
I don't see how Peter Jackson can do a King Kong re-make and be labeled as a racist in every newspaper/tabloid out there, but Bay can add some clearly stereotypically racist characters to TF2 and nobody says squat.
I don't see how Peter Jackson can do a King Kong re-make and be labeled as a racist in every newspaper/tabloid out there, but Bay can add some clearly stereotypically racist characters to TF2 and nobody says squat.
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2:11AM on 07/03/2009

@ Djinon

The issue isn't solely on those factors man. You're isolating everything. It's a combination of it all -- from the physical design of the robots, to the gold tooth, to the way they speak, down to HOW they speak (which is different from the way they speak). And I know, not every african-american has a gold tooth (I don't), that's not what I'm saying.

I dig what you're saying, how slang isn't designated to a specific group of people. This is true. Just because I say, "That's dope", doesn't
The issue isn't solely on those factors man. You're isolating everything. It's a combination of it all -- from the physical design of the robots, to the gold tooth, to the way they speak, down to HOW they speak (which is different from the way they speak). And I know, not every african-american has a gold tooth (I don't), that's not what I'm saying.

I dig what you're saying, how slang isn't designated to a specific group of people. This is true. Just because I say, "That's dope", doesn't mean it is because I am any one ethnicity.

But that Twin shit is just stereotypical tripe man. Honestly. They knew what they were doing. The voice actor knew. Bay knew. They knew who they were depicting. Now they gotta face up to the dumbassedness.
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9:07AM on 07/03/2009
people are such a load of f*****g gaywads for keep going on about every little thing in transformers, every character was brilliant including the twins who are purly there for comic relief and keeping children interested and laughing long enough for them to rake in a shit load of cash, this was the most perfect summer film ever and it certainly did the trick no matter what.
people are such a load of f*****g gaywads for keep going on about every little thing in transformers, every character was brilliant including the twins who are purly there for comic relief and keeping children interested and laughing long enough for them to rake in a shit load of cash, this was the most perfect summer film ever and it certainly did the trick no matter what.
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10:12AM on 07/03/2009
I was under the impression that the twins weren't "racist" characters, i thought Bay was trying to simply say: "smart" cars are really dumb. It was ironic and that in itself was also funny, seeing as how they were there for comic relief.
I was under the impression that the twins weren't "racist" characters, i thought Bay was trying to simply say: "smart" cars are really dumb. It was ironic and that in itself was also funny, seeing as how they were there for comic relief.
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