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The UNpopular Opinion: Avatar

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THE UNPOPULAR OPINION is an ongoing column featuring different takes on films that either the writer HATED, but that the majority of film fans LOVED, or that the writer LOVED, but that most others LOATHED. We're hoping this column will promote constructive and geek fueled discussion. Enjoy!

"You are Omaticaya now. You may make your bow from the wood of Hometree. And you may choose a woman. We have many fine women. Ninat is the best singer." - Neytiri

Last week I tried to heap praise on what I considered to be an under-appreciated modern classic. It was a film that, while popular with JoBlo readers (or perhaps because of this), wasnít as controversial a choice as some of you would have liked. Well, fine. Iíll get back to my hater ways. In the biggest of ways. Itís time to trash the blue giant. The #1 film of all-time (financially). A film many already consider a modern masterpiece. Well, Iím hear to tell you why itís the second most overrated film of all-time, and if that ainít controversial enough for ya, just you wait till I tackle #1 at a yet to be determined date.

So, yeah; AVATAR. The Sultan of CG. The breakthrough for 3-D. The mo-cap Ferngully. Not really a bad film (I donít think Cameronís got that in him), but the greatest spectacle of all time?! Puh-lease. Letís pick this apart piece by piece, starting with the gimmick that pulled most of us in. No, not the ďFrom the director of T2Ē screen credit. Iím talkiní Ďbout the ground-breaking technology said ground-breaking director invented. Now let me be clear about one thing: I am NOT a huge fan of CGI sets or motion-capture performances. For an example of why, simply compare the old Star Wars films to the new ones. Compare Robert Zemeckisí first ten films to his last three. There is something lost when special FX are used to help sell a story rather than help tell a story.

"Please tell me you remembered to turn the oven off."

Iím not the first person to discover what happens when computers replace actors, and even though Avatar does an exceedingly better job at bridging the gap between animation and live action than anything else, real life will ALWAYS look more real. Even with that said, I understand why what Cameron did was needed to tell this story and create the environments of Pandora (although I believe the Naívi could've easily been created with greater effect by actors in prosthetics from Stan Winstonís creature shop). And yet still, I found myself asking at filmís endÖwhy were his previous films, like T2 and Aliens (both sequels mind you)- so much more fascinating to watch than this visual spectacle? The answer is mind-numbingly simple:

THEY HAD FANTASTIC STORIES.

What breaks my heart most about Avatar being the highest grossing film EVER (by a LONG SHOT) is how predictable, hokey, and shockingly unoriginal the story is. The unreal hysteria that arose after the release of the film- fans whose reactions and newly sworn Naívi allegiance reminds one of the fanbases that surround the Star Trek, Star Wars, Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings franchises- is truly mind-boggling. Those classic sagas earned their hype based on wildly original universes and creatures. Avatar just takes us to a jungle planet with Native Americans painted blue (and dogs, horses and dragons painted ROY-G-BIV).

Cameron allegedly dreamed up this winged creature after looking at the hood of his '79 Pontiac Trans Am.

Cameron has been behind some of the most original films of our generation, even when making sequels and action comedies- quite the gargantuan feat. Yet when given the opportunity to create a wholly original work in Avatar (and having over a decade to write the script), he seemed happy just taking a page from Dances With Wolves, Pocahontas, the previously mentioned Ferngully, and a hundred other ďEvil white men invade and destroy the nativesĒ movies before them. The most original idea in Avatar is that the natives have built-in extension cords that connect them with their planet/animals/each other. A cool concept, but not enough to carry a film.

At least in District 9, (a movie made by a first-time filmmaker with less than 1/10th the budget of Avatar), we are led along for quite some time wondering which are the bad guys- the aliens or the humans. In Avatar, there is no such mystery or suspense. In D9, the aliens need the white man to just stay the F outta the way so they can free themselves from persecution. Avatar proposes the tired, traditional, and fairly offensive idea that the savior IS the white man. Does nobody find fault in the logic that Eywa, that Tree of Life thingy, chooses a white man in an Avatar suit as the Na'vi's greatest warrior? Isn't that kinda like choosing Al Gore to lead the NAACP?

So I think most of us can agree that Avatar's screenplay was nothing groundbreaking. The filmís success then must have been as a product of the new technology and the imagery that resulted from it, yes? I wont spend too much time bashing these, because yes, the visuals were simply outstanding. But regarding the revolutionary 3D, let me ask you this: after the first 15 minutes, did you even remember you were watching 3D? I didnít. And thatís the problem with 3D; in essence itíll always just be a gimmick. Not to mention it spawned perhaps the most annoying, cash-grabbing Hollywood trend of all-time (one that in my prediction, will be dead within 2 years).

Pocahontas totally went off the rails after attending her first rave. (I'd still hit it)

Two essential components that make a film classic, components that make a film award-worthy, components that make a film worth watching and rewatching, are a riveting script and powerful depictions of richly complex characters, and while I did find Zoe Saldana to be great in this film, I think we can all agree that none of these performances will go down in history. Even the vastly-underrated Giovanni Ribisi seems bored here playing his one-dimensional corporate goon. Stephen Lang, who used a low-key temperament and stone-cold demeanor to standout as the biggest badass in last year's Public Enemies, took on the pivotal role as the film's primary villain in Avatar- and cranked the zaniness up to 11. Despite being one of the only live-action characters in the film, Lang's Colonel Quaritch comes off as the most cartoonish of them all mostly because of poor writing. FAIL.

And yet, despite all this, I must reiterate one thing (if for no other reason than to avoid a Na'vi arrow through the chest): Avatar is not an awful film. It's often entertaining, and as far as pure visual spectacle, it's nearly unrivaled. It's just not a classic. Not worthy of geek worship. Not worthy of the Best Picture Oscar nomination it received, or even the Golden Globe it won. It's James Cameronís fifth best film. But unfortunately, because much of the above definitely ranks as the unpopular opinion, what is essentially a beautifully-rendered cartoon will likely maintain its place for generations to come as the most successful motion picture of all-time.

At least until Cameron steps behind the camera (er, computer monitor) for the next one.

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3:26PM on 12/27/2010

You're missing the point

Critics of this film often focus on the supposed "unoriginal" storyline and fail to recognize the important underlying themes in this movie.

First of all, the story may have used plot devices which we have seen in movies such as Dances With Wolves. However, these devices aren't original to Dances With Wolves or even to Disney's Pocahontas. They have been used throughout the history of human literature, and therefore film making and screenplay. So in truth, while Avatar doesn't use
Critics of this film often focus on the supposed "unoriginal" storyline and fail to recognize the important underlying themes in this movie.

First of all, the story may have used plot devices which we have seen in movies such as Dances With Wolves. However, these devices aren't original to Dances With Wolves or even to Disney's Pocahontas. They have been used throughout the history of human literature, and therefore film making and screenplay. So in truth, while Avatar doesn't use original plot devices, it is original in the way it uses them to convey underlying messages and themes.

Many critics such as yourself have overlooked many of the fundamental themes and messages in this movie. This movie isn't about a white man saving "savages". Its about comparing ourselves with the Na'vi, the connection with nature that many of us have lost, how colonialism and imperialism affects not only oppressed people (as discussed in Dances With Wolves) but also the natural world, and so on. Through your simplistic, short analysis of the themes of Avatar, it is clear that you have only been able to comprehend a small portion of this movie.

Critics like you have forgotten that there are some movies which exist not only to provide entertainment, but also to inspire higher levels of thought. I would suggest seeing this movie again so you can fully appreciate what it means.
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8:58PM on 12/29/2010
"Critics like you have forgotten that there are some movies which exist not only to provide entertainment, but also to inspire higher levels of thought. I would suggest seeing this movie again so you can fully appreciate what it means."

You're entirely wrong in that statement! As a critic, I have immense appreciation for movies that inspire higher levels of thought, and that's why i did NOT enjoy Avatar- it was created PURELY for entertainment, hence the reason Cameron rushed through the
"Critics like you have forgotten that there are some movies which exist not only to provide entertainment, but also to inspire higher levels of thought. I would suggest seeing this movie again so you can fully appreciate what it means."

You're entirely wrong in that statement! As a critic, I have immense appreciation for movies that inspire higher levels of thought, and that's why i did NOT enjoy Avatar- it was created PURELY for entertainment, hence the reason Cameron rushed through the script and then spent years and years developing the 3D technology. The "themes" in this movie are so obvious that they hit you over the head, therefore requiring no thought whatsoever. It tells you exactly what to believe. A REAL thought-provoking movie stirs up discussion or causes people to contemplate a film's meaning. I think a Rottweiler could watch this film and understand the message, so long as it can understand basic commands like "sit".
3:42PM on 07/18/2010
Agreed with everything said. The movie is way to overrated!
Agreed with everything said. The movie is way to overrated!
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12:51PM on 07/17/2010

THANK YOU

Ive been saying this shit since it came out. Everybody jizzes for this 2 dimensional juiced-up eye feast, yet nobody talks about D9, or even Moon- an equally original and captivating sci-fi flick. Plus Cameron, despite being a great filmmaker is the super-douche of hollywood. am I the only one who thinks he should get that much credit for making SEQUELS primarily? i mean, if its a sequel its not your idea.
Ive been saying this shit since it came out. Everybody jizzes for this 2 dimensional juiced-up eye feast, yet nobody talks about D9, or even Moon- an equally original and captivating sci-fi flick. Plus Cameron, despite being a great filmmaker is the super-douche of hollywood. am I the only one who thinks he should get that much credit for making SEQUELS primarily? i mean, if its a sequel its not your idea.
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3:46PM on 07/18/2010
I actually saw Moon for the first time last night, it was amazing! I really enjoyed that film
I actually saw Moon for the first time last night, it was amazing! I really enjoyed that film
3:16AM on 07/17/2010
Thank you! This film is a great example of style over substance. The style is AMAZING, but the substance, the story and characters, while certainly not bad, are predictable, ripped off, and completely unoriginal.

Your opinion here isn't that controversial, though. There are a very large number of people who didn't much care for Avatar.
Thank you! This film is a great example of style over substance. The style is AMAZING, but the substance, the story and characters, while certainly not bad, are predictable, ripped off, and completely unoriginal.

Your opinion here isn't that controversial, though. There are a very large number of people who didn't much care for Avatar.
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10:50PM on 07/16/2010

ALso!

Avatar was good! When it came out, people kept on talking about it. it wasn't until the after math people where like "hmmm, the story wasn't that good.." But when it came out, word of mouth carried this film MUCH farther then any other film in history. That speaks volumes in how spectacular the film was. (Spectacular as in a film-going experience)

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As a film going experience GRINDHOUSE was fucking Spectacular!!!
Avatar was good! When it came out, people kept on talking about it. it wasn't until the after math people where like "hmmm, the story wasn't that good.." But when it came out, word of mouth carried this film MUCH farther then any other film in history. That speaks volumes in how spectacular the film was. (Spectacular as in a film-going experience)

P.S.

As a film going experience GRINDHOUSE was fucking Spectacular!!!
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1:27AM on 07/17/2010
totally agree on Grindhouse, a film that made maybe 1/30th the amount of money that Avatar did. Boo. As far as people loving Avatar, I KNOW! You're RIGHT. And I didn't like it, and that's why my opinion is the unpopular one, and hence the reason I wrote about it in this column? Know what I mean?
totally agree on Grindhouse, a film that made maybe 1/30th the amount of money that Avatar did. Boo. As far as people loving Avatar, I KNOW! You're RIGHT. And I didn't like it, and that's why my opinion is the unpopular one, and hence the reason I wrote about it in this column? Know what I mean?
10:41PM on 07/16/2010

Good points, well writen but...

Your forgetting one important fact here. IT MADE A FUCK-LOAD of MONEY! which is what hollywood wants. Yes it was made for a FUCK-LOAD of money and therefore was made it's profit back ten-fold.
Is it the best story ever. No your right. But have you ever seen anything like it? I know i haven't. Star Wars can Kiss my ass. Look how BAD and "B" rated the First Star Wars movie was. Why did this film become a sensation? Because nobody ever saw anything like it before. Just like Avatar. When Avatar 2
Your forgetting one important fact here. IT MADE A FUCK-LOAD of MONEY! which is what hollywood wants. Yes it was made for a FUCK-LOAD of money and therefore was made it's profit back ten-fold.
Is it the best story ever. No your right. But have you ever seen anything like it? I know i haven't. Star Wars can Kiss my ass. Look how BAD and "B" rated the First Star Wars movie was. Why did this film become a sensation? Because nobody ever saw anything like it before. Just like Avatar. When Avatar 2 comes out, i guarantee it won't be as good as the first one.

But fuck it. I thought the Dark Knight sucked. I loved Heath ledger, i'm sad for his death. But come-on, if he died before that movie begin filming, nobody ever would have cared as much as they did about it. Unfortunately, that movie profited hugely upon his death.

Back to Avatar. Imagine what kind of doors this could open for say a 3D Marvel movie, and not a conversion. Properly shot James Cameron 3D style. It'll blow your fucking mind. But the story will probably be mediocre. Unfortunately, Hollywood cares more about spectacle then they do about story. thats the way it is.

As for Robert Zemekis. I'm sorry but Beowulf was fucking awesome! Visually spectacular! But the story was lack-luster. Unfortunately nobody's gonna fork over the money to make that film into a 3 hour movie like it could have been. But imagine what you could do with that kind of technology. A zombie appocolypse would be fUCKING SICK if it was done in the same visual median as Beowulf.

Your all about Hate for the sake of Hating. I can respect that. I often feel as if someone should take the opposite side. But in the Avatar argument, all you got is its a weak-ass story. Agreed. But at least it had a theme and good message to it. (SAVE THE FUCKING PLANET!!) I'm looking at you BP!

But what if your wrong.. What if another director makes a fucking SICK film and builds off of what Avatar started and 3D doesn't become just a gimmick? Time will tell.

Fuck, ALL of pop music, and fashion is based on fads. People still fork over cash to buy it.

Capitalism is a bitch!

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7:15PM on 07/18/2010
You liked Beowulf more than the Dark Night? Damn, that sucks. As for Star Wars well all I can say is that it was much better than Avatar, Han Solo alone is a better character than all the 2 dimensional lame-os of Avatar combined. I'd throw a name out there but I can't think of a single one because they were all so boring.
You liked Beowulf more than the Dark Night? Damn, that sucks. As for Star Wars well all I can say is that it was much better than Avatar, Han Solo alone is a better character than all the 2 dimensional lame-os of Avatar combined. I'd throw a name out there but I can't think of a single one because they were all so boring.
9:44PM on 07/16/2010
"the Naívi could've easily been created with greater effect by actors in prosthetics from Stan Winstonís creature shop"

Ummm... Nope. As for the movie in general, while I agree that the story was shockingly generic, I still enjoyed it.
"the Naívi could've easily been created with greater effect by actors in prosthetics from Stan Winstonís creature shop"

Ummm... Nope. As for the movie in general, while I agree that the story was shockingly generic, I still enjoyed it.
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5:24PM on 07/15/2010

I agree

I totally agree, the story is what really gets to me. Check out my avatar review at [link]
I totally agree, the story is what really gets to me. Check out my avatar review at [link]
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10:54AM on 07/15/2010

you said it pal...

good movie, not the greatest piece of cinema since...ever. hahaha, i've said this countless times, entertaining but shallow, and probably the worst dialogue jimmy ever came up with...all cliche.
good movie, not the greatest piece of cinema since...ever. hahaha, i've said this countless times, entertaining but shallow, and probably the worst dialogue jimmy ever came up with...all cliche.
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5:36AM on 07/15/2010

Popular opinion

Most of the people I know think this movie was good, but way overrated, so why is this the topic of your un-popular opinion. Last weeks topic was lame as well. Unbreakable is a brilliant movie. If you want to write an article that is controversial and "un-popular", attack a legitimate classic like Terminator or give props to one that was widely panned like The Happening, otherwise this idea is pointless. The two articles I've read so far have been of the I'm cool category of opinion, so most
Most of the people I know think this movie was good, but way overrated, so why is this the topic of your un-popular opinion. Last weeks topic was lame as well. Unbreakable is a brilliant movie. If you want to write an article that is controversial and "un-popular", attack a legitimate classic like Terminator or give props to one that was widely panned like The Happening, otherwise this idea is pointless. The two articles I've read so far have been of the I'm cool category of opinion, so most people on here will agree with them.
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2:38PM on 07/15/2010
check out my first two Fordie. I wrote about Scarface and Inglourious Basterds, maybe you'll find something in there you like. Can't please 'em all (though I'll settle for most)!
check out my first two Fordie. I wrote about Scarface and Inglourious Basterds, maybe you'll find something in there you like. Can't please 'em all (though I'll settle for most)!
5:31AM on 07/15/2010
Could'nt agree more. But I would have to say it was probably the best 3D I've seen so far.
Could'nt agree more. But I would have to say it was probably the best 3D I've seen so far.
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5:04AM on 07/15/2010

suggestion

watch this shit stoned in 3d. then tell me it wasnt the greatest movie ever seen while stoned.
watch this shit stoned in 3d. then tell me it wasnt the greatest movie ever seen while stoned.
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3:38PM on 07/18/2010
I did. Still sucked. What a waste of a good high
I did. Still sucked. What a waste of a good high
2:44AM on 07/15/2010
Is this really an UN-popular opinion? I ran into a lot of people who didn't like this when it came out.
Is this really an UN-popular opinion? I ran into a lot of people who didn't like this when it came out.
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3:39AM on 07/15/2010
This film grossed over $1.5 BILLION more than Return of the King (which is the third highest grossing film of all time and is most definitely beloved). So yeah, it's the Unpopular Opinion.
This film grossed over $1.5 BILLION more than Return of the King (which is the third highest grossing film of all time and is most definitely beloved). So yeah, it's the Unpopular Opinion.
12:49AM on 07/15/2010

Find a new article

I've tried to read all these articles but find most of the time you just reiterate what i've already read in reviews or message boards. No offense but i believe you think your playing devil's advocate but these days movie opinions are split all over the place and i don't find yours original or "unpopular" as you think. I'm not sure what your trying to accomplish here but i think it needs refining.
I've tried to read all these articles but find most of the time you just reiterate what i've already read in reviews or message boards. No offense but i believe you think your playing devil's advocate but these days movie opinions are split all over the place and i don't find yours original or "unpopular" as you think. I'm not sure what your trying to accomplish here but i think it needs refining.
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2:01AM on 07/15/2010
i dont know about that read the strikebacks, plus his arguments although may be reiterated, you must have read at least 3 plus reviews on the movie in order to know that. Maybe avatar being more recent is not as apparent, but his scarface article was very good, and im sure there are reviews out there that say the same things. but it doesn't make the argument less compelling.
i dont know about that read the strikebacks, plus his arguments although may be reiterated, you must have read at least 3 plus reviews on the movie in order to know that. Maybe avatar being more recent is not as apparent, but his scarface article was very good, and im sure there are reviews out there that say the same things. but it doesn't make the argument less compelling.
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12:45AM on 07/15/2010

Got It Right

You defiantly nailed this one. Avatar was a spectacle, while the joblo community is torn about whether this is an unpopular opinion, you are right, there are so many suckers who think this is the best movie ever. And you are right, with no actors giving good performances why would you want to re-watch it?
It was painfully predictable, let me some it up "Listen no one can ride the pterodactyl, no one hasn't been done in like 300 years. so don't even try it" Later... "how are you going to earn
You defiantly nailed this one. Avatar was a spectacle, while the joblo community is torn about whether this is an unpopular opinion, you are right, there are so many suckers who think this is the best movie ever. And you are right, with no actors giving good performances why would you want to re-watch it?
It was painfully predictable, let me some it up "Listen no one can ride the pterodactyl, no one hasn't been done in like 300 years. so don't even try it" Later... "how are you going to earn the respect of the village back?" ... Ride in on the pterodactyl? Of coarse!.
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12:11AM on 07/15/2010
When I originally saw Avatar, I rated it a 7 out of 10. And I stand by that review. But at the same time, I don't really disagree with anything in this article (except maybe Stephen Lang).
When I originally saw Avatar, I rated it a 7 out of 10. And I stand by that review. But at the same time, I don't really disagree with anything in this article (except maybe Stephen Lang).
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11:58PM on 07/14/2010

Amen

Bought the movie because Netflix wouldn't carry it for 28 days after it was released on dvd (don't get me started about that crap). After watching it I couldn't even keep it in the house. It's the only movie I ever bought that I gave away to a friend. Very pretty movie but felt like environmentalism for 1st graders. Military and corporations=bad, environment=good. Way to go James Cameron.
Bought the movie because Netflix wouldn't carry it for 28 days after it was released on dvd (don't get me started about that crap). After watching it I couldn't even keep it in the house. It's the only movie I ever bought that I gave away to a friend. Very pretty movie but felt like environmentalism for 1st graders. Military and corporations=bad, environment=good. Way to go James Cameron.
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11:53PM on 07/14/2010
Not going to lie. I saw the movie 3 times in theaters and loved it each time. I won't disagree with everything stated here because it is all true and even I could predict the whole film as it went along. But the fact of the matter is that I enjoyed the film and in the end that is simply what matters. I won't review it in a film class or consider one of my 10 favorites of all time, but hey it was a real good fucking time and I think deserved the win for Best Picture instead of The Hurt Locker.
Not going to lie. I saw the movie 3 times in theaters and loved it each time. I won't disagree with everything stated here because it is all true and even I could predict the whole film as it went along. But the fact of the matter is that I enjoyed the film and in the end that is simply what matters. I won't review it in a film class or consider one of my 10 favorites of all time, but hey it was a real good fucking time and I think deserved the win for Best Picture instead of The Hurt Locker. Man I can't see that shit more than once compared to other Best Picture films like The Silence of the Lambs, American Beauty, and The Departed. Hell Up in the Air should of won!
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11:49PM on 07/14/2010

While I Do Disagree...

I am just damn happy to see you back where you were with the "Scarface" article. Using reasoning and examples from the movie (as opposed to just wishing for what you were sold) and actually have an unpopular opnion (vs. a very general one). Welcome back! This is the second best so far, and I hope this article continues on this track! Yay!
I am just damn happy to see you back where you were with the "Scarface" article. Using reasoning and examples from the movie (as opposed to just wishing for what you were sold) and actually have an unpopular opnion (vs. a very general one). Welcome back! This is the second best so far, and I hope this article continues on this track! Yay!
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11:50PM on 07/14/2010
Like Vitaminman said, this isn't an unpopular opinion among the Joblo crowd.
Like Vitaminman said, this isn't an unpopular opinion among the Joblo crowd.
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10:44PM on 07/14/2010

Ehhh....

I'm not really digging this series of articles. The first wasn't an unpopular opinion as the love and hate for Unbreakable is really easily divided in half. And this is just silly... there's lots of people who ranted against this movie. I think you guys need to be a bit more original with the films you choose to defend or deride. I suggest maybe changing the name of the series to "Popular Opinion" or "Well, That's Like Your Opinion Man."
I'm not really digging this series of articles. The first wasn't an unpopular opinion as the love and hate for Unbreakable is really easily divided in half. And this is just silly... there's lots of people who ranted against this movie. I think you guys need to be a bit more original with the films you choose to defend or deride. I suggest maybe changing the name of the series to "Popular Opinion" or "Well, That's Like Your Opinion Man."
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10:51PM on 07/14/2010
hah, I like the second title. You must have missed the first two though. I did Scarface and Inglourious Basterds before Unbreakable. Maybe you'll like those better. Can't please 'em all.
hah, I like the second title. You must have missed the first two though. I did Scarface and Inglourious Basterds before Unbreakable. Maybe you'll like those better. Can't please 'em all.
10:29PM on 07/14/2010

Very Nice, Sir!

Unpopular Opinion is quickly becoming one of my favorite columns on here. Avatar was decent but not a billion dollars decent, and ditto for titanic. I consider it an animated movie just like a scanner darkly because if you have to paint emotions onto your actors face then you are not directing a live action film. Period.
Unpopular Opinion is quickly becoming one of my favorite columns on here. Avatar was decent but not a billion dollars decent, and ditto for titanic. I consider it an animated movie just like a scanner darkly because if you have to paint emotions onto your actors face then you are not directing a live action film. Period.
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10:25PM on 07/14/2010
So glad to see the truth spoken about this film. The notion that it is being re-released makes me vomit in my mouth. Actually the fact that those who have seen it already will pay to see it again, or rather "experience" it again make me vomit in my mouth. It was awful, and thank you for telling the world!
So glad to see the truth spoken about this film. The notion that it is being re-released makes me vomit in my mouth. Actually the fact that those who have seen it already will pay to see it again, or rather "experience" it again make me vomit in my mouth. It was awful, and thank you for telling the world!
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10:23PM on 07/14/2010
Like Vitaminman said, this isn't an unpopular opinion among the Joblo crowd.
Like Vitaminman said, this isn't an unpopular opinion among the Joblo crowd.
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10:38PM on 07/14/2010
the column is written to discuss the writer's unpopular opinion in relation to the world's general consensus, not just the Joblo crowd. Hey, can't please 'em all.
the column is written to discuss the writer's unpopular opinion in relation to the world's general consensus, not just the Joblo crowd. Hey, can't please 'em all.
10:16PM on 07/14/2010

Refreshing

Sir, you speak with my words. Thank you. It was over-rated, predictable, shallow, and it's financial numbers are am embarrassment to cinema.
Sir, you speak with my words. Thank you. It was over-rated, predictable, shallow, and it's financial numbers are am embarrassment to cinema.
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9:41PM on 07/14/2010
Again I don't think this is that unpopular of an opinion. Every review I ever read of the thing said it's highly mediocre and the story sucks.

But anyway, I agree with you.
Again I don't think this is that unpopular of an opinion. Every review I ever read of the thing said it's highly mediocre and the story sucks.

But anyway, I agree with you.
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10:39AM on 07/15/2010
I agree. That's twice now that this column hasn't been utilized to its full potential, the first time being the one about unbreakable being underrated. Not even. Not on JoBlo anyway. Everytime someone brings up shaymalan (sp) there are 100 strikebacks praising unbreakable. I wish they would only do extreme unpopular opinions like "I didn't care for Star Wars Episode IV" or "Paul Giamontti is just meh"
I agree. That's twice now that this column hasn't been utilized to its full potential, the first time being the one about unbreakable being underrated. Not even. Not on JoBlo anyway. Everytime someone brings up shaymalan (sp) there are 100 strikebacks praising unbreakable. I wish they would only do extreme unpopular opinions like "I didn't care for Star Wars Episode IV" or "Paul Giamontti is just meh"
9:40PM on 07/14/2010
Everyone I know who has seen this movie (and I'm talking my close friends) all say the same thing. The visuals are Fantastic but the story was nothing original.
Everyone I know who has seen this movie (and I'm talking my close friends) all say the same thing. The visuals are Fantastic but the story was nothing original.
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9:40PM on 07/14/2010

Agreed

This movie was so bad, that I turned it off after an hour. I have no interest to attempt to watch it again either.
This movie was so bad, that I turned it off after an hour. I have no interest to attempt to watch it again either.
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9:31PM on 07/14/2010
If I were James Cameron I'd be embarrassed that it took me 14 years to write THAT.
If I were James Cameron I'd be embarrassed that it took me 14 years to write THAT.
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10:30PM on 07/14/2010
hahaha
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9:31PM on 07/14/2010
Everyone I know who has seen this movie (and I'm talking my close friends) all say the same thing. The visuals are Fantastic but the story was nothing original.
Everyone I know who has seen this movie (and I'm talking my close friends) all say the same thing. The visuals are Fantastic but the story was nothing original.
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8:47PM on 07/14/2010
I have fallen asleep every time I've tried to watch it. Avatar is the best sleep aid ever.
I have fallen asleep every time I've tried to watch it. Avatar is the best sleep aid ever.
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12:29AM on 07/15/2010
I had to slap myself to stay awake. I paid 10 bucks to watch it, I was going to endure every minute.
I had to slap myself to stay awake. I paid 10 bucks to watch it, I was going to endure every minute.
8:21PM on 07/14/2010

whooa kiddo

Sorry chief you cant beat the numbers and you've already forgot why this movie was the biggest of all time. It was ingenious, magical and a giant world wide spectacle. You really expect original stories from Hollywood these days? Everything else in this movie was original except the story, which in fact was a simple and beautiful love. Maybe you should think about the hard work and dedication the entire crew had to endure while working on AVATAR. It deserved everything it got and then some.
Sorry chief you cant beat the numbers and you've already forgot why this movie was the biggest of all time. It was ingenious, magical and a giant world wide spectacle. You really expect original stories from Hollywood these days? Everything else in this movie was original except the story, which in fact was a simple and beautiful love. Maybe you should think about the hard work and dedication the entire crew had to endure while working on AVATAR. It deserved everything it got and then some. It's cool to jump over the mainstream fence but don't knock the highest grossing and most beautiful film ever created because the story lacked. That's just reachin...
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9:19PM on 07/14/2010
clearly you've missed the point of this column. ;) And as a man who works in film, on films, Im well aware of the hard work that went into making this, and every other film out there. You can't heap praise on something just because people worked hard on it. Otherwise, we'd all be praising Norbit.
clearly you've missed the point of this column. ;) And as a man who works in film, on films, Im well aware of the hard work that went into making this, and every other film out there. You can't heap praise on something just because people worked hard on it. Otherwise, we'd all be praising Norbit.
7:26PM on 07/14/2010

Disagree!

Well this is my first disagreement of one of your articles (you were doing so well!). Let me just state that I loved Avatar and I had a great time seeing this with my friends. My eyes were glued to the screen throughout the entire film as I experienced James Cameron's world of Pandora. It was one of only a handful of "wow" movies that came out last year in my opinion. My rating is 4 out of 4 stars. Yep, that's right.

Now I will say that I enjoy some of Cameron's other films still a lot
Well this is my first disagreement of one of your articles (you were doing so well!). Let me just state that I loved Avatar and I had a great time seeing this with my friends. My eyes were glued to the screen throughout the entire film as I experienced James Cameron's world of Pandora. It was one of only a handful of "wow" movies that came out last year in my opinion. My rating is 4 out of 4 stars. Yep, that's right.

Now I will say that I enjoy some of Cameron's other films still a lot more. Aliens and Terminator 2: Judgment Day are 2 of my favorite all-time films. I'm still not taking anything away from Avatar though. To say this movie is "his 5th best," "predictable," and "overrated" is chalkboard scratching to my ears. Guess I just don't understand what the expectations were for this movie; to me, it delivered in spades.

Count me in on seeing this film again during its theatrical re-release August 27.
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4:17PM on 07/14/2010

Your point about the NAACP

Considering that there ARE whites (and other non-blacks) who head NAACP offices; and also considering that not all black people--like myself--support the NAACP....you're point about Al Gore heading the organization is not a good example....

However, I do agree we've seen Avatar's type of story before in 'Dances with Wolves'...'Pocahontas'..'Fergully'...etc...
Considering that there ARE whites (and other non-blacks) who head NAACP offices; and also considering that not all black people--like myself--support the NAACP....you're point about Al Gore heading the organization is not a good example....

However, I do agree we've seen Avatar's type of story before in 'Dances with Wolves'...'Pocahontas'..'Fergully'...etc...
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4:11PM on 07/14/2010
The only James Cameron movie I don't own on DVD and have no plans of buying. It was really just an okay movie. Nothing special.
The only James Cameron movie I don't own on DVD and have no plans of buying. It was really just an okay movie. Nothing special.
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4:09PM on 07/14/2010
I agree on most points about this. I thought it was done well enough, and maybe you're a little hard on the FX aspect of things, as I was at times surprised how well that part was handled. But really, Lang and Michelle Rodriguez were probably my favorite parts of this movie. Ribisi DID look extremely bored, and you didn't even mention Worthington's horrid American accent (how come all the other main characters were actually PLAYED by Americans? Even the frickin' Na'avi).

So yeah, and the 3-D
I agree on most points about this. I thought it was done well enough, and maybe you're a little hard on the FX aspect of things, as I was at times surprised how well that part was handled. But really, Lang and Michelle Rodriguez were probably my favorite parts of this movie. Ribisi DID look extremely bored, and you didn't even mention Worthington's horrid American accent (how come all the other main characters were actually PLAYED by Americans? Even the frickin' Na'avi).

So yeah, and the 3-D gave me a headache. James Cameron used to could do better. Anyway, there's all sorts of reasons this movie probably succeeded, but I do find it a little offensive that white guy saves the day thing, except in some other movies they've qualified it better (Dances With Wolves and Last of the Mohicans don't make the white man so much a hero as a sympathetic party, willing to fight for his friends, The Last Samurai, different story).
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4:06PM on 07/14/2010
While I initially gave the film a very high score, I think I was still in awe of how pretty it is. When it was finally released on DVD, I realized something: I didn't want to buy the movie. Now, normally, I don't buy movies I have seen in theaters unless I really, really like them. But, while I found my first viewing of Avatar to be quite the event, I realized that I didn't want to revisit the film. The story just wasn't interesting to me. I have seen films with the same story (see Dances with
While I initially gave the film a very high score, I think I was still in awe of how pretty it is. When it was finally released on DVD, I realized something: I didn't want to buy the movie. Now, normally, I don't buy movies I have seen in theaters unless I really, really like them. But, while I found my first viewing of Avatar to be quite the event, I realized that I didn't want to revisit the film. The story just wasn't interesting to me. I have seen films with the same story (see Dances with Wolves) with far better acting. The end action scene was phenomenal, yes. But the two hours before it I wouldn't enjoy the same. Heck, I would be bored. Pretty images only last so long. But a good story and good characters make a film a classic. This is devoid of both.

I wholly agree with this article. This film isn't just overrated, it's spoiled. Now, I'm curious to know what number 1 is and whether I will agree or not.
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3:57PM on 07/14/2010
I agree. The story was so bad I couldn't even get myself to watch the movie again even for the effects. As for 3d; the editors on this site need to go check out Nvidia's PC 3D technology. Some games on there look simply amazing. In games you can actually move the camera and see everything in 3d from every angle. In Avatar (the "best" 3d technology to date) all you see is different [link] in different planes although if you focus on any one of the planes it still looks entirely 2d. ">
I agree. The story was so bad I couldn't even get myself to watch the movie again even for the effects. As for 3d; the editors on this site need to go check out Nvidia's PC 3D technology. Some games on there look simply amazing. In games you can actually move the camera and see everything in 3d from every angle. In Avatar (the "best" 3d technology to date) all you see is different [link] in different planes although if you focus on any one of the planes it still looks entirely 2d.
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3:46PM on 07/14/2010

Again.. not that unpopular with the JoBlo's

Dude you should take this column to a mainstream site with common folk if you want people to disagree with you.. Do you even know you write for JoBlo.. While I disagree with you on this subject, the majority of people on this site won't.. Want to piss people off.. Say you hate THE DARK KNIGHT OR INCEPTION.. So far you are 0 for 2.
Dude you should take this column to a mainstream site with common folk if you want people to disagree with you.. Do you even know you write for JoBlo.. While I disagree with you on this subject, the majority of people on this site won't.. Want to piss people off.. Say you hate THE DARK KNIGHT OR INCEPTION.. So far you are 0 for 2.
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4:12PM on 07/14/2010
Someone put on their gwumpy pants today!

Check out the 3 comments below yours and the 4 comments above it. Check out the overall approval rating on the piece. I won't write articles with the sole purpose of alienating and angering my audience. I won't write articles just to "piss people off". That's not the point of this column and that's not how we treat our readers. I write what I believe, and sometimes the status quo (not just Joblo fans) doesn't agree. I won't bash The Dark Knight
Someone put on their gwumpy pants today!

Check out the 3 comments below yours and the 4 comments above it. Check out the overall approval rating on the piece. I won't write articles with the sole purpose of alienating and angering my audience. I won't write articles just to "piss people off". That's not the point of this column and that's not how we treat our readers. I write what I believe, and sometimes the status quo (not just Joblo fans) doesn't agree. I won't bash The Dark Knight simply because it's controversial to do so. I believe The Dark Knight is a phenomenal film. As far as Inception, brotha, that film hasn't even come out yet so there is no unpopular opinion on it. (But I've seen the film and it's awesome too).
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3:30PM on 07/14/2010
Thank you!
Thank you!
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3:02PM on 07/14/2010

AGREED

Thank YOU.
Thank YOU.
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3:01PM on 07/14/2010

agreed

im so glad to hear that im not the only person in the world that hated avatar. i honestly think james cameron sold his soul to the devil in order to make this crap a hit. i bought the avatar blu ray comobo pack hoping it was going to be great because i didnt know one person that didnt love it but i watched the movie and i was never so bored in my life and the movie is basicly a rip off of like 3 or 4 different movie ideas put together and its really dumb. all you people that think avatar is the
im so glad to hear that im not the only person in the world that hated avatar. i honestly think james cameron sold his soul to the devil in order to make this crap a hit. i bought the avatar blu ray comobo pack hoping it was going to be great because i didnt know one person that didnt love it but i watched the movie and i was never so bored in my life and the movie is basicly a rip off of like 3 or 4 different movie ideas put together and its really dumb. all you people that think avatar is the best movie made to date are stupid people that cant sit through a good movie because it doesnt have any CGI and too much dialogue. WOW this is gonna sound sad but i even thought cop out was better than avatar atleast it had a funny cast dont get me wrong cop out sucks but avatar wow 100% full of shit!!!!
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2:52PM on 07/14/2010
Completely disagree. I find the video game nags to be highly unfair. The visuals in this film are so beyond anything seen in a video game that its insulting to the craft that went into making the film look the way it does.
I will freely admit the movie isn't original. But its highly entertaining and filled with sense of wonderment not seen in many movies today.
Completely disagree. I find the video game nags to be highly unfair. The visuals in this film are so beyond anything seen in a video game that its insulting to the craft that went into making the film look the way it does.
I will freely admit the movie isn't original. But its highly entertaining and filled with sense of wonderment not seen in many movies today.
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2:33PM on 07/14/2010
Actually, I equate an awful film as something that blatantly borrows from other movies (parodies, excluded of course) such as what happened with Avatar. Horrendous movies are usually walked out on. I watched Avatar once in IMAX 3D and was so bored to tears because you could actually time out to the second when a certain event was going to happen in the movie. That's how predictable it was.

I think you're article rides the fence a little too much just to avoid the backlash from the fans
Actually, I equate an awful film as something that blatantly borrows from other movies (parodies, excluded of course) such as what happened with Avatar. Horrendous movies are usually walked out on. I watched Avatar once in IMAX 3D and was so bored to tears because you could actually time out to the second when a certain event was going to happen in the movie. That's how predictable it was.

I think you're article rides the fence a little too much just to avoid the backlash from the fans here. And I don't really blame you.
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2:23PM on 07/14/2010
Internet geeks are sheep. They are bigger followers than the mainstream that they like to pretend they are better than.

Long before Avatar came out, the bandwagon against it was was already moving full speed ahead. People mindlessly bashed it for being mostly CGI. Bashed it for being the most expensive movie ever (which it wasn't, this was just the mindless geek sheep following the crowd, yet again). And people bashed it because they hated that idea that "King of the Wold" Cameron might
Internet geeks are sheep. They are bigger followers than the mainstream that they like to pretend they are better than.

Long before Avatar came out, the bandwagon against it was was already moving full speed ahead. People mindlessly bashed it for being mostly CGI. Bashed it for being the most expensive movie ever (which it wasn't, this was just the mindless geek sheep following the crowd, yet again). And people bashed it because they hated that idea that "King of the Wold" Cameron might break records yet again.

After the first trailer, this film was bashed for having shitty effects (ironically, these same people now claim that the effects are the only reason people watched it). These people not only thought Avatar would fail, they wanted it to fail.

And now that Avatar was a massive success, both critically & commercially, all of these very same haters invent laughable & embarrassing excuses as to why this film really sucks and doesn't deserve its success.

Haters keep on hating.
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2:33PM on 07/14/2010
wow, talk about hater.
wow, talk about hater.
2:36PM on 07/14/2010
Yup, everyone who disagrees with you is stupid and has no taste. You're completely right.

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Yup, everyone who disagrees with you is stupid and has no taste. You're completely right.

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2:50PM on 07/14/2010
Does the truth sting?
Does the truth sting?
4:00PM on 07/14/2010
Sure, the script can be crap and the characters can be complete copies of every character before in the same kind of film. But hey, as long as it looks pretty and is technologically superior as a film, then it's worthy of being the greatest film ever right?
Sure, the script can be crap and the characters can be complete copies of every character before in the same kind of film. But hey, as long as it looks pretty and is technologically superior as a film, then it's worthy of being the greatest film ever right?
4:12PM on 07/14/2010
You're right, people are sheep. That's why crap like Twilight and Avatard do so well at the box office.
You're right, people are sheep. That's why crap like Twilight and Avatard do so well at the box office.
7:40PM on 07/14/2010
@DaForce

Are you seriously going to compare Avatar to Twilight? You're going to compare a Best Picture Nominated, critically acclaimed, award winning film to Twilight.

Give me a fucking break. And that's exactly what I'm talking about. These pot shots at Avatar are so juvenile and unfounded it is laughable.
@DaForce

Are you seriously going to compare Avatar to Twilight? You're going to compare a Best Picture Nominated, critically acclaimed, award winning film to Twilight.

Give me a fucking break. And that's exactly what I'm talking about. These pot shots at Avatar are so juvenile and unfounded it is laughable.
7:44PM on 07/14/2010
Well, according to your criteria, it was a massive success, therefore (again, according to your criteria) it should be a great movie.
Well, according to your criteria, it was a massive success, therefore (again, according to your criteria) it should be a great movie.
8:57PM on 07/14/2010
That's not my criteria buddy, that's simply the criteria for greatness.

Avatar isn't some well marketed film floating on a franchise name that brought in all of its success on opening weekend (like most big Hollywood movies.)

Despite getting great reviews, Avatar opened with a very weak $77 million dollars. Then it went on to make all of its money, and I'll repeat this, 'ALL' of its money through word of mouth alone. That kind of power is extremely rare, almost unheard of. Avatar then
That's not my criteria buddy, that's simply the criteria for greatness.

Avatar isn't some well marketed film floating on a franchise name that brought in all of its success on opening weekend (like most big Hollywood movies.)

Despite getting great reviews, Avatar opened with a very weak $77 million dollars. Then it went on to make all of its money, and I'll repeat this, 'ALL' of its money through word of mouth alone. That kind of power is extremely rare, almost unheard of. Avatar then wins Best Picture and Director at the Golden Globes, and is nominated in the same categories at the Oscars.

People loved this movie, and showed it on every level possible. If that isn't the staple of greatness nothing is.

Greatness is measured by how much the audience loves the film, by how influential it is, and by how large of a stamp in history it leaves behind. Avatar filled those qualifications in spades.
10:10PM on 07/14/2010
"Avatar isn't some well marketed film floating on a franchise name that brought in all of its success on opening weekend (like most big Hollywood movies.)"

Um, can I get some of the same meds you're taking? Because Cameron was pimping this thing on Panasonic tv commercials, and there were ads everywhere. Dude, seriously you need to start looking in the mirror when you use the word 'sheep'.
"Avatar isn't some well marketed film floating on a franchise name that brought in all of its success on opening weekend (like most big Hollywood movies.)"

Um, can I get some of the same meds you're taking? Because Cameron was pimping this thing on Panasonic tv commercials, and there were ads everywhere. Dude, seriously you need to start looking in the mirror when you use the word 'sheep'.
10:22PM on 07/14/2010
I am proud to say that the complaints I had with this movie when I saw the trailer I still would say and I never flip flopped on that. I think you are right in your assessment X-Frog that people are being sheep on this movie. In both ways I believe they are. Sheep following the OMG SO AMAZING flock and the WTF ITS DANCES WITH SMURFS flock. I had my complaints but I did enjoy the story the way it was told and although the cgi motion capture seemed flawed the visuals were beautiful. I can't say
I am proud to say that the complaints I had with this movie when I saw the trailer I still would say and I never flip flopped on that. I think you are right in your assessment X-Frog that people are being sheep on this movie. In both ways I believe they are. Sheep following the OMG SO AMAZING flock and the WTF ITS DANCES WITH SMURFS flock. I had my complaints but I did enjoy the story the way it was told and although the cgi motion capture seemed flawed the visuals were beautiful. I can't say this movie deserved a Best Pic nom though. I feel this movie was successful because of the 3D technology and I think the success of Alice in Wonderland can help prove that because that movie was pure shit and it made a shit load of cash because of 3D. I did enjoy the movie and bought it on Blu-Ray.
10:28PM on 07/14/2010
@ DaForce

If you're not going to pay attention to what I'm saying, why bother replying?

Avatar opened very weak with only $77 million. That shows that the hype just wasn't there, and marketing didn't really sell it well (at least not as well as a $300 million film needed).

Unlike most blockbuster films, Avatar wasn't front heavy. Avatar didn't hype people up, didn't get them excited, nor did it have them all rushing out to theaters opening day.

Word of mouth made Avatar its money.
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If you're not going to pay attention to what I'm saying, why bother replying?

Avatar opened very weak with only $77 million. That shows that the hype just wasn't there, and marketing didn't really sell it well (at least not as well as a $300 million film needed).

Unlike most blockbuster films, Avatar wasn't front heavy. Avatar didn't hype people up, didn't get them excited, nor did it have them all rushing out to theaters opening day.

Word of mouth made Avatar its money. Not marketing.
12:23PM on 07/15/2010
X-Frog, every word you say proves my column correct. You're saying word of mouth made this film its money, meaning that everyone must have LOVED this movie, which makes my opinion the Unpopular one, cuz I didn't like it. Sheep follow the popular, not the unpopular. If you're going to throw around the sheep moniker, at least listen to Brer B8a and realize that your flock is much, MUCH bigger. This movie made more than twice as much $ as the next highest grossing film of all time (not directed by
X-Frog, every word you say proves my column correct. You're saying word of mouth made this film its money, meaning that everyone must have LOVED this movie, which makes my opinion the Unpopular one, cuz I didn't like it. Sheep follow the popular, not the unpopular. If you're going to throw around the sheep moniker, at least listen to Brer B8a and realize that your flock is much, MUCH bigger. This movie made more than twice as much $ as the next highest grossing film of all time (not directed by James Cameron). Are you telling me its twice as good as any other film ever made? Hell no. Sheep.
2:14PM on 07/14/2010
Agree totally- it wasn't bad, but it's not that amazing either.
Agree totally- it wasn't bad, but it's not that amazing either.
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2:09PM on 07/14/2010

Completely Agree

I couldn't agree more and this is actually the #1 most over-rated film ever, in my opinion. It is too long, ridiculously boring and is basically a video game, just you can't control it and the story was worse than an average game. The biggest piece of shit I have ever seen.
I couldn't agree more and this is actually the #1 most over-rated film ever, in my opinion. It is too long, ridiculously boring and is basically a video game, just you can't control it and the story was worse than an average game. The biggest piece of shit I have ever seen.
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2:03PM on 07/14/2010

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Just to ward off the hate - I LOVE The Dark Knight and Fight Club. Just making an example.
Just to ward off the hate - I LOVE The Dark Knight and Fight Club. Just making an example.
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2:03PM on 07/14/2010

Everyone I talked to...

thinks Avatar should've won. Then again, they wouldn't visit fanboy sites on the internet.

This article only feeds its success by creating controversy. 20 years from now people will remember Avatar and forget Hurt Locker.
thinks Avatar should've won. Then again, they wouldn't visit fanboy sites on the internet.

This article only feeds its success by creating controversy. 20 years from now people will remember Avatar and forget Hurt Locker.
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2:02PM on 07/14/2010

A Big Step Back

This post is saying everything that almost everyone else is. I commend you on your Unbreakable article. I consider 90% of the users on this site "film people" - so obviously they'd like Unbreakable. It's fantastic. What you did with it was also fantastic because you went against the "real people" opinion. The people across the globe who go see movies for entertainment alone. They're the ones who didn't like Unbreakable.

If you had attacked this article with a "I hate everything
This post is saying everything that almost everyone else is. I commend you on your Unbreakable article. I consider 90% of the users on this site "film people" - so obviously they'd like Unbreakable. It's fantastic. What you did with it was also fantastic because you went against the "real people" opinion. The people across the globe who go see movies for entertainment alone. They're the ones who didn't like Unbreakable.

If you had attacked this article with a "I hate everything about this movie and it's just awful" then you'd be going against what everything thinks. But riding the fence is exactly what everyone else is doing as well.

I'd like to see an article about why The Dark Knight is a bad movie. Why Fight Club is a bad movie. Why Gigli isn't as bad as we thought and how we should all rewatch Maid in Manhattan because it's not actually too awful.
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1:55PM on 07/14/2010
Definitely a good article, but we all tackled the Avatar debates earlier this year during the Oscars. Needless to say, I do completely agree with your assessment of Avatar. It's not a bad film, but it has no place in a best picture category. There's a reason The Hurt Locker won. At the end of the day, it's not about how you changed the visual effects game, there's a category for that. It's about a well-rounded story executed extremely well with terrific acting and writing. Avatar was sorely
Definitely a good article, but we all tackled the Avatar debates earlier this year during the Oscars. Needless to say, I do completely agree with your assessment of Avatar. It's not a bad film, but it has no place in a best picture category. There's a reason The Hurt Locker won. At the end of the day, it's not about how you changed the visual effects game, there's a category for that. It's about a well-rounded story executed extremely well with terrific acting and writing. Avatar was sorely lacking in the acting and screenwriting department and that's why it couldn't take a major award.

I'm excited to see your number one overrated pick though. There's been some shitty best picture winners this decade: Slumdog Millionaire, Crash, Chicago anyone?
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1:53PM on 07/14/2010

Woot!

Best Article Ever...
Best Article Ever...
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1:51PM on 07/14/2010
WTF? All greens and only a few people disagreeing? I could of sworn that when this movie came out this site was split in half on people that thought this movie was the most amazing thing made and another half that didn't quite think so. Where the fuck are the ones that boasted this movie as if they were JC's personal assistants?
WTF? All greens and only a few people disagreeing? I could of sworn that when this movie came out this site was split in half on people that thought this movie was the most amazing thing made and another half that didn't quite think so. Where the fuck are the ones that boasted this movie as if they were JC's personal assistants?
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1:47PM on 07/14/2010

I think it is great...

It is not a great movie, it is not a bad movie, it is a great example of what is wrong with the industry as a whole. If you can't something original, do something that has been successful already

First, it did not take him 10 years to make the film, it took him ten years to perfect the, a tactic stolen from the Lucas playbook. "What, the tech doesn't exist for me to make the film? Fine I'll make the tech. Ten years later he has the visuals, he has the tech, crap...he forgot the
It is not a great movie, it is not a bad movie, it is a great example of what is wrong with the industry as a whole. If you can't something original, do something that has been successful already

First, it did not take him 10 years to make the film, it took him ten years to perfect the, a tactic stolen from the Lucas playbook. "What, the tech doesn't exist for me to make the film? Fine I'll make the tech. Ten years later he has the visuals, he has the tech, crap...he forgot the script.

He "borrows" every trick he can from other film makers to preach to us a political message that any infant at this point knows anyway. Killing the environment is bad.

What I find most impressive is that he even borrows from his own films. Who didn't think that Stephan Lang's character in Avatar was a direct descendant of Michael Biehn's character Coffey from the Abyss?

I don't think this is an unpopular opinion at all. I think it is a one man stepping forward to demand better quality. Good Job.

Can't wait to see what the #1 most overrated film is (cough) Titanic? (Cough).
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1:44PM on 07/14/2010

Avatar: Tarzan Escapes 2009

Most of Avatar's best script ideas were written in 1936. Tarzan was captured, while rich white people went to plunder the Elephant's graveyard for ivory. Tarzan worked with the black Africans *against* the white people, and called upon all the animals of Africa to help him. Sound familiar?
Most of Avatar's best script ideas were written in 1936. Tarzan was captured, while rich white people went to plunder the Elephant's graveyard for ivory. Tarzan worked with the black Africans *against* the white people, and called upon all the animals of Africa to help him. Sound familiar?
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1:44PM on 07/14/2010

Completely

agree! This film was so freaking predictable, I could have passed as a psychic in the theater when I saw this. Its good but not great. I'd watch it again, but maybe not after that for a while.
agree! This film was so freaking predictable, I could have passed as a psychic in the theater when I saw this. Its good but not great. I'd watch it again, but maybe not after that for a while.
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1:41PM on 07/14/2010
Everyone talks about groundbreaking CGI but really.. take a look at those little black dog-like creatures that attack him in the jungle at night.. piss poor. Same with those "horses" and winged creatures. I mean.. really? Animatronics > CGI creatures.
Everyone talks about groundbreaking CGI but really.. take a look at those little black dog-like creatures that attack him in the jungle at night.. piss poor. Same with those "horses" and winged creatures. I mean.. really? Animatronics > CGI creatures.
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1:38PM on 07/14/2010
I like Avatar, but I definately agree with this. Its one of those movies that is great a few times, but after the 4th viewing I kinda realized it wasnt all that great.
I like Avatar, but I definately agree with this. Its one of those movies that is great a few times, but after the 4th viewing I kinda realized it wasnt all that great.
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1:38PM on 07/14/2010
There was no reason for this article to be made. Who really considers Avatar to be a "modern masterpiece". I've never heard anyone speak those words, and would likely give them a verbal slapping just for uttering them. Avatar broke ground with CG, that goes unquestioned. But that's all it was. Is James Cameron nothing but a blockbuster film maker? Nothing was suprising about Avatar, or it's success. Better people praise this crap then Twilight, anyhow.
There was no reason for this article to be made. Who really considers Avatar to be a "modern masterpiece". I've never heard anyone speak those words, and would likely give them a verbal slapping just for uttering them. Avatar broke ground with CG, that goes unquestioned. But that's all it was. Is James Cameron nothing but a blockbuster film maker? Nothing was suprising about Avatar, or it's success. Better people praise this crap then Twilight, anyhow.
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1:37PM on 07/14/2010
I like Avatar, but I definately agree with this. Its one of those movies that is great a few times, but after the 4th viewing I kinda realized it wasnt all that great.
I like Avatar, but I definately agree with this. Its one of those movies that is great a few times, but after the 4th viewing I kinda realized it wasnt all that great.
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1:09PM on 07/14/2010

Hell yes!

I thought i was alone but by christ when i walked out of the film i thought a couple of things 1) Last samurai did it so much better 2) I was watching the greatest ad for computers ever! and 3) the special fx were THE SHIT!. Thats pretty much all the praise i can give the film sam worthington was ok and it is easily the bet role he has had but tom cruise (while a nut case is a much MUCH better actor than sam), sigourney weaver went down in my opinion after the rant against hurt locker that was
I thought i was alone but by christ when i walked out of the film i thought a couple of things 1) Last samurai did it so much better 2) I was watching the greatest ad for computers ever! and 3) the special fx were THE SHIT!. Thats pretty much all the praise i can give the film sam worthington was ok and it is easily the bet role he has had but tom cruise (while a nut case is a much MUCH better actor than sam), sigourney weaver went down in my opinion after the rant against hurt locker that was out of line as Hurt locker is a far superior film to avatar any day of the week and i thought her performance was just a reject ripley wannabe. Zoe saldana is the only actor that actually gave a performance worth a shit in this god for saken movie. I hear the rumours about james cameron directing the black eyed peas movie well if that the case he has gone down hill and is now a talent wasted and its a shame the drector of aliens, t2 an titanic came to blue aliens and shit pop for his big comeback
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1:08PM on 07/14/2010
I agree with you. It was a good movie for sure and I'd watch it again but it wasn't amazing as a whole. Not like Aliens, T2 and to some extent for me True Lies which is a great action/comedy IMO.
I agree with you. It was a good movie for sure and I'd watch it again but it wasn't amazing as a whole. Not like Aliens, T2 and to some extent for me True Lies which is a great action/comedy IMO.
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1:06PM on 07/14/2010

Re-watchable?

I completely agree. Avatar is a decent film but it is not a great one. I have a question for the supporters of this film. Have you watched Avatar in its entirety since it's been released on DVD/Blu-Ray? I can't imagine there will be a time that I will ever have the patience to sit through this film again.
I completely agree. Avatar is a decent film but it is not a great one. I have a question for the supporters of this film. Have you watched Avatar in its entirety since it's been released on DVD/Blu-Ray? I can't imagine there will be a time that I will ever have the patience to sit through this film again.
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1:02PM on 07/14/2010
Good movie but OVERRATED! Acting and dialogue are nothing to remember. Fun movie and great interpretation of a story we have seen o so many times before but this should have never been a contender for best picture.
Good movie but OVERRATED! Acting and dialogue are nothing to remember. Fun movie and great interpretation of a story we have seen o so many times before but this should have never been a contender for best picture.
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12:58PM on 07/14/2010
I agree! It was a very good movie and I enjoyed it but the concept wasn't exactly original and it wasn't THAT good for everyone to be going crazy over IMO.
I agree! It was a very good movie and I enjoyed it but the concept wasn't exactly original and it wasn't THAT good for everyone to be going crazy over IMO.
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12:42PM on 07/14/2010

Ironic

I just find it ironic that here we have an article ripping Avatar for being unoriginal when it's been mercilessly ripped on for that since its release. A pretty unoriginal "unpopular opinion" article if you ask me
I just find it ironic that here we have an article ripping Avatar for being unoriginal when it's been mercilessly ripped on for that since its release. A pretty unoriginal "unpopular opinion" article if you ask me
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12:41PM on 07/14/2010

FINALLY

someone who gets it! this movie had the similar storyline as the last samurai, point break and even fast & the furious for God's sake!!! i hate how blinded people are by the flashy blue people, to notice that the story SUCKS
someone who gets it! this movie had the similar storyline as the last samurai, point break and even fast & the furious for God's sake!!! i hate how blinded people are by the flashy blue people, to notice that the story SUCKS
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12:08PM on 07/14/2010
You guys shit on any movie that doesn't involve Tarantino. It was a good movie that had heart and emotion. Sure it's a rehash of other stories...but so are hundreds of other films!! You're ripping on Avatar as if "borrowing" ideas was a new thing.
You guys shit on any movie that doesn't involve Tarantino. It was a good movie that had heart and emotion. Sure it's a rehash of other stories...but so are hundreds of other films!! You're ripping on Avatar as if "borrowing" ideas was a new thing.
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12:18PM on 07/14/2010
Haha, clearly ya didn't read my column two weeks ago on Tarantino, bubba. Oops.

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Haha, clearly ya didn't read my column two weeks ago on Tarantino, bubba. Oops.

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1:03PM on 07/14/2010
LOL - the article was pretty long-winded, so let me sum up what I saw was wrong with it.

1. I didn't see it in 3-D, and without that benefit, the visuals are garishly overdone.

2. The CGI was never seamless enough to convince me that the Na'vi and people could occupy the same physical space - which kills the whole premise and conflict.

3. This movie doesn't borrow - it lifts almost the entire plot of Dances With Wolves.

Considering most people around here love T1, T2, and Aliens - you're
LOL - the article was pretty long-winded, so let me sum up what I saw was wrong with it.

1. I didn't see it in 3-D, and without that benefit, the visuals are garishly overdone.

2. The CGI was never seamless enough to convince me that the Na'vi and people could occupy the same physical space - which kills the whole premise and conflict.

3. This movie doesn't borrow - it lifts almost the entire plot of Dances With Wolves.

Considering most people around here love T1, T2, and Aliens - you're initial argument doesn't hold up. Actually it sounds a lot more like you can't handle being in the minority (even if the majority is limited to the people posting on a web page) - so instead, you are trivializing everybody else's point of view - just to validate your own. Sorry you can't just accept having your own opinion in the face of ours.
12:01PM on 07/14/2010
It's a terrible movie with poor performances a rehashed story and ho hum action pieces that are just boring when all is said and done. It didn't deserve all of the praise it received.
It's a terrible movie with poor performances a rehashed story and ho hum action pieces that are just boring when all is said and done. It didn't deserve all of the praise it received.
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9:40PM on 07/14/2010
You always hit the nail on the head!
You always hit the nail on the head!
11:47AM on 07/14/2010

Not a perfect film . . .

. . . but way way WAY too hated amongst fanboys. Just too much hate for my liking. Give me the awesome effects in 3D. We get recycled themes in film ALL the friggin' time, but big shot Cameron gives it them us and he's the most unoriginal prick we've ever seen. Oh well. Give me that final battle between the mercs and the blue guys and I'm an 8 year old kid on the edge of my seat again. Overrated? Hell yes. BAD? Hell no. And twice in a row, this is NOT the unpopular opinion.
. . . but way way WAY too hated amongst fanboys. Just too much hate for my liking. Give me the awesome effects in 3D. We get recycled themes in film ALL the friggin' time, but big shot Cameron gives it them us and he's the most unoriginal prick we've ever seen. Oh well. Give me that final battle between the mercs and the blue guys and I'm an 8 year old kid on the edge of my seat again. Overrated? Hell yes. BAD? Hell no. And twice in a row, this is NOT the unpopular opinion.
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11:29AM on 07/14/2010
What's funny is that back before the hype and the film, the unproduced (at that time) screenplay was hailed as the greatest unproduced screenplay of all time (next only to Kubrick's Napoleon script). There were articles written about it, and praises published in books. The script was considered a masterpiece of sci-fi adventure.

Years later, add a shit load of anti-hype, and the highly influential internet geeks do a complete 180.
What's funny is that back before the hype and the film, the unproduced (at that time) screenplay was hailed as the greatest unproduced screenplay of all time (next only to Kubrick's Napoleon script). There were articles written about it, and praises published in books. The script was considered a masterpiece of sci-fi adventure.

Years later, add a shit load of anti-hype, and the highly influential internet geeks do a complete 180.
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1:35PM on 07/14/2010
I just checked and it was not hailed as the greatest unproduced screenplay of all time. It was an honorable mention, though.
I just checked and it was not hailed as the greatest unproduced screenplay of all time. It was an honorable mention, though.
11:15AM on 07/14/2010

I totally Agree

You nailed it.
You nailed it.
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10:55AM on 07/14/2010

Just a Suggestion

I have a recommendation for the site. Please list the previous Unpopular Opinion articles at the bottom of each new one. This is helpful if one happens to miss the previous edition.
I have a recommendation for the site. Please list the previous Unpopular Opinion articles at the bottom of each new one. This is helpful if one happens to miss the previous edition.
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10:54AM on 07/14/2010

Ha! Finally!

I was hoping you'd do Avatar, and you did, which makes me happy because I've been waiting for someone with a column such as this to take down this so-called "masterpiece". Is it a good movie? Yes. Will it stand the test of time? Probably. Does it deserve to be #1? Not by a long shot.

Now...on to your #1. You're gonna' tackle The Dark Knight, aren't you? You're gonna' take one of the most beloved films in Hollywood history, a real modern marvel in my humble opinion, and dissect it into
I was hoping you'd do Avatar, and you did, which makes me happy because I've been waiting for someone with a column such as this to take down this so-called "masterpiece". Is it a good movie? Yes. Will it stand the test of time? Probably. Does it deserve to be #1? Not by a long shot.

Now...on to your #1. You're gonna' tackle The Dark Knight, aren't you? You're gonna' take one of the most beloved films in Hollywood history, a real modern marvel in my humble opinion, and dissect it into pieces, yes? I'm pretty sure that's what you're going to do.
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12:22PM on 07/14/2010
rest assured my friend, while I cant tell you what film I'm going to take down, I, Aaron the H, will NEVER take down The Dark Knight. I can recognize true genius when I see it. love that movie.
rest assured my friend, while I cant tell you what film I'm going to take down, I, Aaron the H, will NEVER take down The Dark Knight. I can recognize true genius when I see it. love that movie.
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10:53AM on 07/14/2010

Totally agree

Avaturd was not a good movie, it was just just Camerbation. The guys at Pixar have been doing better CGI for years, and they actually know how to write a story. Funny, in watching TS3, that movie felt more "real" than Avatar ever did, both visually and story-wise. It's depressing that this is the highest-grossing movie of all time, that really says something about society, and it's not good. So, is the Dark Knight you number 1 most overrated movie?
Avaturd was not a good movie, it was just just Camerbation. The guys at Pixar have been doing better CGI for years, and they actually know how to write a story. Funny, in watching TS3, that movie felt more "real" than Avatar ever did, both visually and story-wise. It's depressing that this is the highest-grossing movie of all time, that really says something about society, and it's not good. So, is the Dark Knight you number 1 most overrated movie?
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10:53AM on 07/14/2010

Aaron, you did it!

Hahaha! Great article! A 'Pocahantas' retelling and by far NOT the greatest spectacle of all-time. It took me 4 viewings to get through the entire film because I just got bored with it. The highs were high, but the lows were lower. The film itself WAS a sight to behold and the technology was like nothing I've ever seen before, but the 'amazingness' stops there. It's 'Pocahantas' for the modern world.
Hahaha! Great article! A 'Pocahantas' retelling and by far NOT the greatest spectacle of all-time. It took me 4 viewings to get through the entire film because I just got bored with it. The highs were high, but the lows were lower. The film itself WAS a sight to behold and the technology was like nothing I've ever seen before, but the 'amazingness' stops there. It's 'Pocahantas' for the modern world.
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10:51AM on 07/14/2010
It's not that I thought the movie was great or anything, but the 3D was just plain awesome. On the other hand, I don't like how everything is being converted to 3D nowadays, like Clash of the Titans. That looked like utter shit. If they want these movies to be 3D, shoot it using 3D cameras otherwise don't bother!
It's not that I thought the movie was great or anything, but the 3D was just plain awesome. On the other hand, I don't like how everything is being converted to 3D nowadays, like Clash of the Titans. That looked like utter shit. If they want these movies to be 3D, shoot it using 3D cameras otherwise don't bother!
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10:38AM on 07/14/2010

Excellent article

I also never bothered to see this in the theaters. It was BARELY a blip on my radar screen...does anyone else remember when the talk about this movie was the CONCEPT of the "Avatar"...the mixed DNA human/alien? Then, out of nowhere, comes this tidal wave of geek love, and it's all about the visionary aspect of this movie, blah blah blah.

The overhype kept me out of the theaters, and when I finally caught it on DVD I thought "ok, fun popcorn movie...why is this making a billion dollars
I also never bothered to see this in the theaters. It was BARELY a blip on my radar screen...does anyone else remember when the talk about this movie was the CONCEPT of the "Avatar"...the mixed DNA human/alien? Then, out of nowhere, comes this tidal wave of geek love, and it's all about the visionary aspect of this movie, blah blah blah.

The overhype kept me out of the theaters, and when I finally caught it on DVD I thought "ok, fun popcorn movie...why is this making a billion dollars again?"

As for 3-D, again....a gimmick. Always has been and truly will be forever UNTIL holographic theaters requiring no glasses are created (not in our lifetime). When I want 3-D, I see live action theater.

So bravo! Well written, and bring on the geek hate. Considering the orgasmic love this movie gets, I imagine anyone hip to your article will be promptly thumbs-downed.
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10:29AM on 07/14/2010
Nicely put.
Nicely put.
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10:04AM on 07/14/2010
I would even call it a bad movie! Cause that's what it is.
I would even call it a bad movie! Cause that's what it is.
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9:49AM on 07/14/2010

Dead on...

You couldn't have said it any better.
You couldn't have said it any better.
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9:44AM on 07/14/2010

CLAP...CLAP...CLAP...CLAP

Slow clap for you my friend.

I boycotted this movie and never saw it in theaters because I told everyone exactly what was going to happen in the movie before I saw it. I enjoy movies for the story and the characters. This movie had neither. Boring, tired story, wrapped and put in a shiny, impressive new box and sold to the public as groundbreaking. I have seen the movie since, and it was exactly as I thought, I don't think one thing in the movie surprised me and everything was cheezy right
Slow clap for you my friend.

I boycotted this movie and never saw it in theaters because I told everyone exactly what was going to happen in the movie before I saw it. I enjoy movies for the story and the characters. This movie had neither. Boring, tired story, wrapped and put in a shiny, impressive new box and sold to the public as groundbreaking. I have seen the movie since, and it was exactly as I thought, I don't think one thing in the movie surprised me and everything was cheezy right down to the element they were after being called "unobtainium"...lol...This movie was not bad, overall on a 10 point scale though considering visuals and story - I still give it no more than a low 7/high 6 range.
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9:47AM on 07/14/2010
You do know that unobtainium is a real term, and was thrown in as a wink to science geeks, right? This film is full of "science gags" that just goes right over most of the audience's heads.
You do know that unobtainium is a real term, and was thrown in as a wink to science geeks, right? This film is full of "science gags" that just goes right over most of the audience's heads.
10:36AM on 07/14/2010
I know its a real term used by science nerds for rare, costly or impossible elements...I mean I know its a term used . But it just made an already cheezy story, more cheezy by calling the "unobtainable" element you are after "unobtainium" was just too much for me. It's like calling a fictional state about rednecks "Rednexiana"...it was just too much...
I know its a real term used by science nerds for rare, costly or impossible elements...I mean I know its a term used . But it just made an already cheezy story, more cheezy by calling the "unobtainable" element you are after "unobtainium" was just too much for me. It's like calling a fictional state about rednecks "Rednexiana"...it was just too much...
9:41AM on 07/14/2010
I really can't take Cameron seriously anymore now that he's re-releasing this film (moneygrab) and re-releasing Titanic in "3D" (moneygrab).

Honestly, Titanic isn't nearly as good as the money it brought in, and neither is Avatar.. not even close
I really can't take Cameron seriously anymore now that he's re-releasing this film (moneygrab) and re-releasing Titanic in "3D" (moneygrab).

Honestly, Titanic isn't nearly as good as the money it brought in, and neither is Avatar.. not even close
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9:35AM on 07/14/2010
I don't think anyone called Avatar a "classic." It's no Godfather or 2001:, and I think pretty much everyone understands that, including Cameron himself. Even though Avatar is not a classic, it is certainly a masterpiece.

Avatar was created purely for the spectacle of film. Its bedfellows include Ben Hur, How The West Was Won and Star Wars. These three movies all have INCREDIBLY simple, even cliche, stories that everyone has heard hundreds of times. But a good filmmaker understands that
I don't think anyone called Avatar a "classic." It's no Godfather or 2001:, and I think pretty much everyone understands that, including Cameron himself. Even though Avatar is not a classic, it is certainly a masterpiece.

Avatar was created purely for the spectacle of film. Its bedfellows include Ben Hur, How The West Was Won and Star Wars. These three movies all have INCREDIBLY simple, even cliche, stories that everyone has heard hundreds of times. But a good filmmaker understands that familiarity is one of the tricks to making a good movie. People go to movies to escape; to allow their conscious to freely converse with their subconscious. But the majority of people cannot emotionally connect to a story that is not somewhat familiar. Cameron knew from the very beginning that in order to sell his vision he had to have a recognizable story structure that people could easily identify with, and characters for which the audience would feel empathy.

Avatar is not a "white people are better than every other people" movie. It is a story of a warrior who proves his worth to another tribe, and helps them fight external oppression, even if it means he must betray his own kind. This arch has been used since the dawn of storytelling! Do you really think Fergully and Dances With Wolves were the first movies to use that simple arch? If so, read up a little. It's called Wikipedia.

As for the CGI and 3D...I have never been more amazed by anything on the big screen. Avatar didn't raise the bar for CGI and 3D, it made the bar's existence null and void. CGI and 3D, like IMAX, Digital Projection and, previously, CinemaScope and Cinerama, are merely visual tools that filmmakers use to help make movies more fun. Cause most people go to movies to have FUN! But like all other filmmaking tools, CGI and 3D can look shitty in the wrong hands, or if used for the wrong reasons (like Alice In Wonderland, the $1 billion-grossing 3D disaster that should've been the subject of this article). Cameron used these tools better than anyone before him, and he used them for the right reason: to tell an entertaining story on film. He didn't create Avatar simply out of greed. It's not like he predicted Avatar would make nearly $3 billion worldwide. It could've tanked. Instead, Avatar connected with the audience in ways that very few films have. And yes, made a shitload of money.

Alas, movie nerds LOVE to jump on hate bandwagons, especially when a movie is particularly popular. We saw this with The Dark Knight, the LOTR triology, and even Star Wars itself! Whether or not a movie is "good" or even a "classic" is all based on perception. Sure, some people hated Avatar. But most people didn't. And there's a reason for that.
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12:44PM on 07/14/2010
but it was referred to as "our generation's Star Wars" many times throughout the net.. sounds like they we're calling it a classic to me. I'm in this so called "generation" being only 20 years old, and seriously, Avatar isn't even worth being mentioned with Star Wars.. except for in my last sentence lol
but it was referred to as "our generation's Star Wars" many times throughout the net.. sounds like they we're calling it a classic to me. I'm in this so called "generation" being only 20 years old, and seriously, Avatar isn't even worth being mentioned with Star Wars.. except for in my last sentence lol
9:22AM on 07/14/2010
Nice job. I am someone who at times has an "unpopular" opinion, as demonstrated by the million negative points I sometimes get from the schmoes. I hated Avatar and Inglorious Bastards and liked Unbreakable. So, I'm enjoying this column. Hopefully, more of the movies you choose continue to be stuff we both agree on. I think the "unpopular opinion" is not represented or tolerated enough and this was an excellent idea. In other articles, if one of the schmoes talks about an opposing view of
Nice job. I am someone who at times has an "unpopular" opinion, as demonstrated by the million negative points I sometimes get from the schmoes. I hated Avatar and Inglorious Bastards and liked Unbreakable. So, I'm enjoying this column. Hopefully, more of the movies you choose continue to be stuff we both agree on. I think the "unpopular opinion" is not represented or tolerated enough and this was an excellent idea. In other articles, if one of the schmoes talks about an opposing view of a movie that is praised by most of the other schmoes, it's often not worth their time even saying anything, because they don't usually get a conversation, just insults from opinionated schmoes that think just because a movie got critical acclaim and was well received by the public, then it solidifies its status as an excellent movie. I disagree. Movies are subjective, EVEN the ones that you might think are considered classics or cinematic masterpieces.
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9:16AM on 07/14/2010
Honestly this rant shows the shallowness that is behind most of the hatred that this film gets. It all boils down to people being anti-CGI. Seriously, for the past decade we have had critics & film snobs hammer into our heads how much we should hate CGI. People just hate the idea of it being in a live action film, and that hate is completely ungrounded.

As for unoriginality, Avatar isn't anymore unoriginal than say Raiders of The Lost Ark. Raiders lifted its formula from old adventure
Honestly this rant shows the shallowness that is behind most of the hatred that this film gets. It all boils down to people being anti-CGI. Seriously, for the past decade we have had critics & film snobs hammer into our heads how much we should hate CGI. People just hate the idea of it being in a live action film, and that hate is completely ungrounded.

As for unoriginality, Avatar isn't anymore unoriginal than say Raiders of The Lost Ark. Raiders lifted its formula from old adventure serials. It even lifted the action sequences, and remade them nearly shot for shot.

Even Star Wars stole its formula from The Hidden Fortress.

Avatar just played the same game. It's formula comes from classic "Cowboy's vs Indians" stories. Dances With Wolves wasn't the first movie to do this, in fact Dances was every bit as unoriginal with this formula as Avatar. Though that does not make either film any less great.

Here are some GREAT classics that were not only unoriginal, but complete ripoffs:

A Fist Full of Dollars. This film completely ripped off the movie Yojimbo. Leone was sued and lost. (in fact none of Sergio Leone's films are original in the least, but he is still a god amongst directors.)

Reservoir Dogs. This film completely & blatantly stole its story from City on Fire.
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9:39AM on 07/14/2010
Exactly. CGI is a tool that can be used really well, or it can be abused, just like ANY other filmmaking tool. And I'm so tired of people saying Avatar wasn't original. WE KNOW.
Exactly. CGI is a tool that can be used really well, or it can be abused, just like ANY other filmmaking tool. And I'm so tired of people saying Avatar wasn't original. WE KNOW.
10:44AM on 07/14/2010
"It all boils down to people being anti-CGI."

No offense, but I'm not sure where you pulled that from.

"The film's success then must have been as a result of the new technology and the imagery that resulted from it, yes? I wont spend too much time trashing this, because yes, the visuals were simply outstanding."

That's a quote from the piece. Did you even read it?
"It all boils down to people being anti-CGI."

No offense, but I'm not sure where you pulled that from.

"The film's success then must have been as a result of the new technology and the imagery that resulted from it, yes? I wont spend too much time trashing this, because yes, the visuals were simply outstanding."

That's a quote from the piece. Did you even read it?
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9:14AM on 07/14/2010

Naomi Harris???

Naomie Harris wasn't in Avatar as far as I can remember...? Did you mean Zoe Saldana...?

Anyway, despite that I agree with most of the points raised. It was an enjoyable film and 3D experience, graphically great, but as most people know, not so strong on the story. Not a very original idea and some of the director's personal opinions and views badly disguised as plot. It was fun to go see in IMAX 3D but I've yet to buy it on DVD and not likely to unless I see it somewhere dirt cheap -
Naomie Harris wasn't in Avatar as far as I can remember...? Did you mean Zoe Saldana...?

Anyway, despite that I agree with most of the points raised. It was an enjoyable film and 3D experience, graphically great, but as most people know, not so strong on the story. Not a very original idea and some of the director's personal opinions and views badly disguised as plot. It was fun to go see in IMAX 3D but I've yet to buy it on DVD and not likely to unless I see it somewhere dirt cheap - although even then the complete lack of special features isn't a strong selling point!

It is not the sort of film I imagined would get any kind of award recognition so was amazed when it had so many nominations (I'll allow the special effects work nominations, I mean best [link] and moreso when it won at the Globes, at least Oscar were sensible enough to look away.

All in all an above average flick but certainly not worthy of all the hype and certainly not Cameron's finest - still beats Titanic though!
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9:08AM on 07/14/2010

Agree with everything

I never understood the massive amount of praise this film got. Sure technically, but the film itself of boring and pretty much every character left my mind as soon as I walked out of the theater. Giovanni Ribisi was in this??? I don't even remember that.
I never understood the massive amount of praise this film got. Sure technically, but the film itself of boring and pretty much every character left my mind as soon as I walked out of the theater. Giovanni Ribisi was in this??? I don't even remember that.
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9:01AM on 07/14/2010

Crapatar

I would easily keep my mouth shut if so many people didn't praise this film as incredible. My favorite go-to problem with the film: In the future, shouldn't we have helicopters and all other vehicles equipped with at least bullet-proof windshields? In Avatar, their arrows can pierce the windshields and kill the man flying....rediculous.
I would easily keep my mouth shut if so many people didn't praise this film as incredible. My favorite go-to problem with the film: In the future, shouldn't we have helicopters and all other vehicles equipped with at least bullet-proof windshields? In Avatar, their arrows can pierce the windshields and kill the man flying....rediculous.
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8:59AM on 07/14/2010

I enjoyed Avatar,

but agree with alot said here. Have seen it several times now, and must admit I find it less enjoyable with each watch. The story doesn't hold up over multiple viewings in my opinion. Although I do enjoy the film, I think given 10-15 years the visuals will have dated and people will see through it.

I agree with nerd85, it should be owned on Blu Ray just to show what high def is capable of.
but agree with alot said here. Have seen it several times now, and must admit I find it less enjoyable with each watch. The story doesn't hold up over multiple viewings in my opinion. Although I do enjoy the film, I think given 10-15 years the visuals will have dated and people will see through it.

I agree with nerd85, it should be owned on Blu Ray just to show what high def is capable of.
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8:58AM on 07/14/2010
This movie is pretty bad up until the final battle but it was too little too late. And it sure as hell didnt deserve an oscar nomination for best picture, that shouldve been Moon or The Road
This movie is pretty bad up until the final battle but it was too little too late. And it sure as hell didnt deserve an oscar nomination for best picture, that shouldve been Moon or The Road
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8:54AM on 07/14/2010

Crapatar

I would easily keep my mouth shut if so many people didn't praise this film as incredible. My favorite go-to problem with the film: In the future, shouldn't we have helicopters and all other vehicles equipped with at least bullet-proof windshields? In Avatar, their arrows can pierce the windshields and kill the man flying....rediculous.
I would easily keep my mouth shut if so many people didn't praise this film as incredible. My favorite go-to problem with the film: In the future, shouldn't we have helicopters and all other vehicles equipped with at least bullet-proof windshields? In Avatar, their arrows can pierce the windshields and kill the man flying....rediculous.
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9:02AM on 07/14/2010
jesus, are guys like you serious about stuff like that?
who the fuck gives a flying fuck.
that's not the reason this movie is bad - which it is.
jesus, are guys like you serious about stuff like that?
who the fuck gives a flying fuck.
that's not the reason this movie is bad - which it is.
8:45AM on 07/14/2010
Was that a joke in the review saying that "Naomi Harris was great in this?" I really didn't much care for this movie at all, but if you are making a strong case, you should at least get the actors right.

One of my main problems was that so many scenes and ideas seemed to simply be recycled from other works of Cameron. The vehicles made me want to just re-watch Aliens. The tree blowing up made me want to just re-watch Titanic. The horse grunts made me really wish I was re-watching Jurassic
Was that a joke in the review saying that "Naomi Harris was great in this?" I really didn't much care for this movie at all, but if you are making a strong case, you should at least get the actors right.

One of my main problems was that so many scenes and ideas seemed to simply be recycled from other works of Cameron. The vehicles made me want to just re-watch Aliens. The tree blowing up made me want to just re-watch Titanic. The horse grunts made me really wish I was re-watching Jurassic Park (Spielberg, I know).

Another problem with this movie is the blatant politics behind it. There may be some allegory in some of the other classics like Star Wars, Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, but Cameron's soapbox is so prevalent here that it not only keeps the film from being timeless, it also kept me from a delightful world of escapism I was hoping for.
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8:44AM on 07/14/2010

Good pic

I did actually like Avatar but all the points you make are good ones and the way people spunked all over it on release was just ridiculous.

Also, Naomie Harris wasn't in the movie, I think you're referring to Zoe Saldana.
I did actually like Avatar but all the points you make are good ones and the way people spunked all over it on release was just ridiculous.

Also, Naomie Harris wasn't in the movie, I think you're referring to Zoe Saldana.
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8:39AM on 07/14/2010

Does green mean I hate Avatar?

Okay, hate isn't the right word. Underwhelmed is closer. If Avatar was an anime, it would still only be a re-hash of ideas that better sci-fi storytellers have already done.

But it remains the finest Blu Ray disc I have seen. Only reason to own it is a system-test.
Okay, hate isn't the right word. Underwhelmed is closer. If Avatar was an anime, it would still only be a re-hash of ideas that better sci-fi storytellers have already done.

But it remains the finest Blu Ray disc I have seen. Only reason to own it is a system-test.
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8:37AM on 07/14/2010

I agree....

I felt the movie was THE "Must Watch" of the summer due to the 3D and how great it looked but the story was lack luster and wasn't close to Best Picture Nom. material.
I felt the movie was THE "Must Watch" of the summer due to the 3D and how great it looked but the story was lack luster and wasn't close to Best Picture Nom. material.
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8:40AM on 07/14/2010
You celebrate Christmas in July? Good for you! Just joshin', but the movie was a winter release.
You celebrate Christmas in July? Good for you! Just joshin', but the movie was a winter release.
10:19AM on 07/14/2010
speedkillscats,

Summer begins December 21st in a lot of the southern hemisphere countries. Just sayinī...
speedkillscats,

Summer begins December 21st in a lot of the southern hemisphere countries. Just sayinī...
8:36AM on 07/14/2010

Ninat can't hold a candle to Mercedes from Glee...

"But regarding the revolutionary 3D, let me ask you this: after the first 15 minutes, did you even remember you were watching 3D?" For me, the answer is a resounding "YES!" There were two scenes where I had to sit back and catch my breath; the thanator chase and then when Jake goes to find his banshee. In these scenes, the 3D literally made me "Whoa!" in my seat. I was "Shush!!!"ed on more than one occasion. Anyway, I see your point, the story was INCREDIBLY predictable, but it in no way made
"But regarding the revolutionary 3D, let me ask you this: after the first 15 minutes, did you even remember you were watching 3D?" For me, the answer is a resounding "YES!" There were two scenes where I had to sit back and catch my breath; the thanator chase and then when Jake goes to find his banshee. In these scenes, the 3D literally made me "Whoa!" in my seat. I was "Shush!!!"ed on more than one occasion. Anyway, I see your point, the story was INCREDIBLY predictable, but it in no way made the movie less enjoyable. Sex is also predictable; it usually ends the same way, but when have you ever said to yourself, "I KNEW I was gonna cum, what a disappointment.."?
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8:34AM on 07/14/2010

Glad I'm not the only one

I'll praise the film for its vibrant colors and its effects but when you get down to it the story is just a hodgepodge, cut and paste, predictably unoriginal Pocahantas in space.

And the tail thing? Honestly, I've had debates with people on whether or not Cameron was in favor of bestiality because Ney'tiri and Jake use their tails to have sex but they also use them to connect and feel at one with their horses and the creatures of Pandora. I'm sorry but I would refrain from sticking my cock
I'll praise the film for its vibrant colors and its effects but when you get down to it the story is just a hodgepodge, cut and paste, predictably unoriginal Pocahantas in space.

And the tail thing? Honestly, I've had debates with people on whether or not Cameron was in favor of bestiality because Ney'tiri and Jake use their tails to have sex but they also use them to connect and feel at one with their horses and the creatures of Pandora. I'm sorry but I would refrain from sticking my cock in anything other than a woman's vag.

The only real character I liked was Quarritch. And I felt Giovanni Ribsi needed more scenes. I also liked the mech suits and the big battle at the end but it's a long, overrated movie that didn't deserve the giant praise it got.
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8:33AM on 07/14/2010
You lost me this week.
You lost me this week.
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8:32AM on 07/14/2010
i liked the film a lot but it will never rate for me with the first two terminators,Aliens and The Abyss.Actually i liked True Lies more.
i liked the film a lot but it will never rate for me with the first two terminators,Aliens and The Abyss.Actually i liked True Lies more.
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8:24AM on 07/14/2010

Nice choice Aaron!

Oh boy was this a good topic to pick because it's gonna cause a stir.

And I'm staying neutral because I LOVE the movie, I've argued enough in its defense and I will speak no more on the subject.
Oh boy was this a good topic to pick because it's gonna cause a stir.

And I'm staying neutral because I LOVE the movie, I've argued enough in its defense and I will speak no more on the subject.
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