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The UnPopular Opinion: Fantastic Four

Jul. 17, 2013by: Alex Maidy

THE UNPOPULAR OPINION is an ongoing column featuring different takes on films that either the writer HATED, but that the majority of film fans LOVED, or that the writer LOVED, but that most others LOATHED. We're hoping this column will promote constructive and geek fueled discussion. Enjoy!
 
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Do you remember back in the day when comic books were for kids? I am talking back in the golden age when a kid could ride their bike to the store and buy any title on display and read it, knowing that the story contained within would take them to an alternate world where heroes wore costumes, could fly, and defended the world against evil. I miss those days. While I am a big fan of adult-oriented comics and graphic novels, not everything with a superhero has to be dark, brooding, and grim. There is enough room for both kinds of comics to exist as well as both kinds of comic book movies. Just look at SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE and MAN OF STEEL as a prime example. Even Sam Raimi's SPIDER-MAN films balanced on that line between candy-colored comic illustrations come to life and a darker edge while Marc Webb's THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN is striving for the gritty realism of Christopher Nolan's DARK KNIGHT trilogy. This balance is what makes those movies more fun than serious and in turn more faithful to the source material.

Tim Story's FANTASTIC FOUR is not a perfect film, but it is a fun movie and a well realized version of the Stan Lee/Jack Kirby comic book. FANTASTIC FOUR has always been one of the more "fun" titles in the Marvel universe which is one of the reasons why they mixed so well with Spider-man for team-ups over the years. The characters of Reed Richards, Sue and Johnny Storm, and Ben Grimm are well-crafted and are the purest representation of a family in all of comics. Basically, the FANTASTIC FOUR are the basis for THE INCREDIBLES. Add in their nemesis, Doctor Doom, and you have the perfect superhero squad to introduce fans of any age to the wide world of Marvel. Like Raimi's SPIDER-MAN, FANTASTIC FOUR populates a bright and vibrant comic world with well-crafted characters that are faithful to the originals while making changes that actually work.

Man, Vin Diesel has let himself go.

Take for instance the heroes themselves. Ioan Gruffudd makes a good Mr. Fantastic. He is bumbling and nerdy and not exactly ready to be thrust in the limelight but still smart enough to create anything the team needs to succeed. While the comic version was always older, Gruffudd fits the role perfectly. Michael Chiklis is a great choice for Ben Grimm/The Thing and imbues the rock monster with a humanity that made him so likeable on the written page. Try not to watch him deal with his new appearance, trying and failing to pick up his wife's ring from the ground, or trying to sit on a chair in a bar without feeling for the big guy. Jessica Alba is passable as Sue Storm, but she mainly exists in the film to look great in a bra and panties. Alba took a major step back in her role in the sequel, but here she is a good Invisible Woman, just not great.

The two best parts of FANTASTIC FOUR are Chris Evans as The Human Torch and Julian McMahon as Victor Von Doom. Evans is not my ideal Captain America (though he is growing on me in the part), but he was an absolutely spot-on Johnny Storm. His cocky swagger, movie star good looks, and douche-bag treatment of The Thing made him easily my favorite part of the film. He wants so badly to be a celebrity that he fails to see what he is doing to those around him. Evans was also quite good in the sequel. It is a shame that his new place in the Marvel universe would prohibit him from returning to this role.

Can you believe this guy went from NOT ANOTHER TEEN MOVIE to playing two superheroes?

Julian McMahon, on the other hand, would be a welcome return as Doctor Doom when the reboot of the franchise comes about. For anyone who has seen NIP/TUCK, McMahon basically plays a PG-13 version of Christian Troy. Doom is a vain, self-centered megalomaniac with aspirations to destroy the FANTASTIC FOUR. His descent from human to villain is amongst the best portrayal in any superhero film. Think about it: how many superhero movies actually show the bad guy become the bad guy over the course of the movie and how many of those are actually good? I count less than five and Doctor Doom would be among them.

What turned a lot of people off of FANTASTIC FOUR was the lighter tone of the movie. You see with each new superhero movie released that they try to outdo the films that came before. FANTASTIC FOUR is content to be a fun time at the movies that doesn't force you to think about the social and political issues at stake in a world with heroes and villains. The movie certainly displays some superficial analysis of what fame can do an average person but it doesn't want to convey a deeper understanding. FANTASTIC FOUR is a summer movie that you can watch without needing to worry if you missed the subtext in what a character was saying or if they are referencing another upcoming standalone hero movie.

Not sure if this is a still from FANTASTIC FOUR or any movie Julian McMahon has ever been in.

Tim Story is not exactly an upper echelon director. I am excited to see what Josh Trank will do with the FANTASTIC FOUR reboot in 2015, but that is not to say Story does an awful job here. The special effects are good for when the film was released and his direction is competent if not generic. At the same time, Story's direction never gets in the way of the movie's story. There is one shot of a firefighter bracing for a crash followed by a Dalmatian covering his eyes with his paw that made me groan, but it also comes right before the massive bridge rescue scene that reveals our heroes to the world. That scene along with the foursome facing Doctor Doom at the conclusion of the movie make it worth the price of admission.

I received a lot of flack from you guys when I said I found it hard to like THE AVENGERS because my five year old could not relate to it. That goes back to my primary question in this column. When did superhero movies become enjoyment for teenagers and adults only? FANTASTIC FOUR is a superhero movie I can share with my kids without having to explain who, what, why, where, and how every thirty seconds. No, FANTASTIC FOUR is nowhere near THE DARK KNIGHT in terms of quality or even THE AVENGERS in that regard, but it also isn't trying to be. FANTASTIC FOUR is a superhero movie, not an artistic film exploration of what it means to be more than human. It is okay to respect film and want it to be more than just fun, but it is also okay for those fun flicks to exist as well. That is exactly what FANTASTIC FOUR is: a fun time.

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3:24PM on 08/14/2013

And this is why I hate this column most of the time

Every once in a while you write a beautifully reasoned article like you did with Dredd this week,but most of the time you just totally gloss over the films flaws with massive blanket statements.

"Alba took a major step back in her role in the sequel, but here she is a good Invisible Woman, just not great." Woah, what the? No she's not. She's terrible. Susan is portrayed as a totally flat one-dimensional bimbo. You just chose to completely ignore of the greatest sources of criticism in this
Every once in a while you write a beautifully reasoned article like you did with Dredd this week,but most of the time you just totally gloss over the films flaws with massive blanket statements.

"Alba took a major step back in her role in the sequel, but here she is a good Invisible Woman, just not great." Woah, what the? No she's not. She's terrible. Susan is portrayed as a totally flat one-dimensional bimbo. You just chose to completely ignore of the greatest sources of criticism in this film by brushing it off with a one sentence opinion.

"His descent from human to villain is amongst the best portrayal in any superhero film. Think about it: how many superhero movies actually show the bad guy become the bad guy over the course of the movie..." So? Who cares if he doesn't get his powers until half way through the movie that doesn't mean that he has any sort of meaningful story arc. He's still not a complex character in the film, he just goes from being a smarmy d-bag to being a smarmy d-bag with electro-powers and bears very little resemblance to what actually makes the Doom of the comics a compelling character.

"What turned a lot of people off of FANTASTIC FOUR was the lighter tone of the movie." No dude, that's actually not it. I mean maybe that was a factor for some people, but The Rocketeer and Captain America were both pretty lighthearted and a lot of fans love those movies. Maybe a better comparison would be the article you ran on The Shadow just a few weeks ago. Tonally, its not too different from that of the Fantastic Four film, but the majority of shmoes agreed that it was great. No, the tone is not the big issue, the big issue is that a lot of the actors really sucked in the film causing the characters to be boring one dimensional caricatures and Alba and McMahon are right at the top of that list. Honestly, they're the two biggest complaints I hear levied at both this film and the sequel. If you're going to try to defend a film that most fans hate at least bring up the actual issues they have with it instead of just glossing over it with "Actually that wasn't a problem at all, now moving on..."
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3:24PM on 08/14/2013
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1:06AM on 08/01/2013

It was good, not great

I liked everyone cast in this movie, but Alba. Alba is smoking hot, but she is the last person I would pick for Sue Storm. I don't understand what they were thinking. There are a million blondes in Hollywood and they went with the latino girl? Besides that, I thought the movie was entertaining. Don't get me started on the 2nd one though.
I liked everyone cast in this movie, but Alba. Alba is smoking hot, but she is the last person I would pick for Sue Storm. I don't understand what they were thinking. There are a million blondes in Hollywood and they went with the latino girl? Besides that, I thought the movie was entertaining. Don't get me started on the 2nd one though.
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2:23PM on 07/18/2013
Freedom, thanks for bringing that up. I totally forgot he based his review of Avengers off of his 5 year old's reaction. Haha. Avengers had a clip of Thanos, FF2 had a clip of smoke and called it Galactus. Avengers had the Tony Stark fighting Thor, fighting Cpt America scene. FF had Reed dancing in the club and somehow his street clothes were able to stretch. The Hulk's CGI was awesome. The Thing's foam suit is laughable. Enough said. This article fails in so many ways.
Freedom, thanks for bringing that up. I totally forgot he based his review of Avengers off of his 5 year old's reaction. Haha. Avengers had a clip of Thanos, FF2 had a clip of smoke and called it Galactus. Avengers had the Tony Stark fighting Thor, fighting Cpt America scene. FF had Reed dancing in the club and somehow his street clothes were able to stretch. The Hulk's CGI was awesome. The Thing's foam suit is laughable. Enough said. This article fails in so many ways.
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12:19PM on 07/18/2013
I get your reasons for liking the movie, but this one over Avengers? That makes absolutely no sense. I'm sorry your child didn't like Avengers because he couldn't relate to it, but that film is superior in every way. Better acting, better script, better direction, better action. Sometimes, I am just so puzzled by people's choices in film.
I get your reasons for liking the movie, but this one over Avengers? That makes absolutely no sense. I'm sorry your child didn't like Avengers because he couldn't relate to it, but that film is superior in every way. Better acting, better script, better direction, better action. Sometimes, I am just so puzzled by people's choices in film.
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2:21PM on 07/18/2013
I totally forgot he based his review of Avengers off of his 5 year old's reaction. Haha. Avengers had a clip of Thanos, FF2 had a clip of smoke and called it Galactus. Avengers had the Tony Stark fighting Thor, fighting Cpt America scene. FF had Reed dancing in the club and somehow his street clothes were able to stretch. Enough said. This article fails in so many ways.
I totally forgot he based his review of Avengers off of his 5 year old's reaction. Haha. Avengers had a clip of Thanos, FF2 had a clip of smoke and called it Galactus. Avengers had the Tony Stark fighting Thor, fighting Cpt America scene. FF had Reed dancing in the club and somehow his street clothes were able to stretch. Enough said. This article fails in so many ways.
7:53PM on 07/17/2013

No

A remake of the 1994 Roger Corman movie would have been better. It had a slightly better story. In that movie, Richards and Doom started out as friends working together in a lab. Reed knew the lab was going to explode and told Doom to get out. Doom didn't listen and Reed assumed he was killed in the blast. Doom was angry with Reed because Reed left him for dead. Years later, Doom sabotaged Reed's space flight but, rather than die, Reed and his friends gained superpowers. So far so good.
A remake of the 1994 Roger Corman movie would have been better. It had a slightly better story. In that movie, Richards and Doom started out as friends working together in a lab. Reed knew the lab was going to explode and told Doom to get out. Doom didn't listen and Reed assumed he was killed in the blast. Doom was angry with Reed because Reed left him for dead. Years later, Doom sabotaged Reed's space flight but, rather than die, Reed and his friends gained superpowers. So far so good. The movie then took a turn for the worse because the movie had no budget for special effects. With a better effects budget the movie could have been good.

Ironically, the same problem plagued Rise of the Silver Surfer: it was good right up until then end when Galactus was represented as a cloud.
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6:27PM on 07/17/2013
I couldn't disagree with you more. FANTASTIC FOUR is just a groaner. Now, the first movie wasn't nearly as stupid as the sequel but the main descriptor that comes to mind for the first is "boring". I wanted it to be fun and I think that's why I watch it every few years, I want so bad for it to be good and I need the occasional reminder that it's such a disappointment. I especially disagree with your positive notes on Julian McMahon. I also loved him in "Nip/TucK" but I never saw him as a
I couldn't disagree with you more. FANTASTIC FOUR is just a groaner. Now, the first movie wasn't nearly as stupid as the sequel but the main descriptor that comes to mind for the first is "boring". I wanted it to be fun and I think that's why I watch it every few years, I want so bad for it to be good and I need the occasional reminder that it's such a disappointment. I especially disagree with your positive notes on Julian McMahon. I also loved him in "Nip/TucK" but I never saw him as a good fit for Doom. His performance was just McMahon hamming it up for the camera and spouting horrible one-liners. Doom is a badass...one of the most prominent villains in the Marvel universe...and McMahon (combined with horrible writing) made him a turd.
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6:12PM on 07/17/2013
It was ok when it came out, I had it on DVD for a while because it wasn't as bad as I expected, and the sequel was better, but after a while I realized how thin they were. They don't stand the test of time. The Four cast was good not great, except for Michael Chiklis (who I called the best casting since Patrick Stewart as Xavier at the time) and Chris Evans, but you completely lost me when you praised Von Doom. I can't believe you said it, let alone go on and on him when he was the worst part
It was ok when it came out, I had it on DVD for a while because it wasn't as bad as I expected, and the sequel was better, but after a while I realized how thin they were. They don't stand the test of time. The Four cast was good not great, except for Michael Chiklis (who I called the best casting since Patrick Stewart as Xavier at the time) and Chris Evans, but you completely lost me when you praised Von Doom. I can't believe you said it, let alone go on and on him when he was the worst part hands down and among the worst villains ever. Power Ranger-looking Green Goblin is better than Von Doom in the movies. I'm sorry, but when you went there I consider this entire article and opinion irrelevant.
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5:02PM on 07/17/2013
Julian McMahon would be a welcome return for Dr. Doom in the reboot???????? Are you shitting me? That dude was absolutely terrible in the role. He sounded pathetic and wasn't threatening in the least. The took one of the best villains in all of the Marvel universe and made him a joke. The whole movie was a joke, a terrible terrible joke. I've got no problem with the tone being lighter, as that's how it should be, I have a problem with shitty story, shitty acting, shitty effects,
Julian McMahon would be a welcome return for Dr. Doom in the reboot???????? Are you shitting me? That dude was absolutely terrible in the role. He sounded pathetic and wasn't threatening in the least. The took one of the best villains in all of the Marvel universe and made him a joke. The whole movie was a joke, a terrible terrible joke. I've got no problem with the tone being lighter, as that's how it should be, I have a problem with shitty story, shitty acting, shitty effects,
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4:59PM on 07/17/2013
Julian McMahon would be a welcome return for Dr. Doom in the reboot???????? Are you shitting me? That dude was absolutely terrible in the role. He sounded pathetic and wasn't threatening in the least. The took one of the best villains in all of the Marvel universe and made him a joke. The whole movie was a joke, a terrible terrible joke. I've got no problem with the tone being lighter, as that's how it should be, I have a problem with shitty story, shitty acting, shitty effects,
Julian McMahon would be a welcome return for Dr. Doom in the reboot???????? Are you shitting me? That dude was absolutely terrible in the role. He sounded pathetic and wasn't threatening in the least. The took one of the best villains in all of the Marvel universe and made him a joke. The whole movie was a joke, a terrible terrible joke. I've got no problem with the tone being lighter, as that's how it should be, I have a problem with shitty story, shitty acting, shitty effects,
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3:19PM on 07/17/2013
shitty comic = shitty movie
Even when I was kid in the 80's and read comics I always thought the FF were lame.
shitty comic = shitty movie
Even when I was kid in the 80's and read comics I always thought the FF were lame.
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3:06PM on 07/17/2013
The dance club scene with Mr. Fantastic rivals dancing Spiderman as the worst fucking scene in any superhero movie. Superheros just shouldn't dance.
The dance club scene with Mr. Fantastic rivals dancing Spiderman as the worst fucking scene in any superhero movie. Superheros just shouldn't dance.
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6:23PM on 07/17/2013
Deadpool should, if it ever comes to it
Deadpool should, if it ever comes to it
9:04PM on 07/17/2013
Also, in that scene, I never understood the logic of why his regular street clothes can stretch when it's explicitly explained that their original flight undersuits only respond to their powers (i.e. being stretchy, being fireproof or being able to turn invisible etc) can only do so because they were exposed to the same original radiation cloud that game the FF their powers.

Internal logic holes bother me.
Also, in that scene, I never understood the logic of why his regular street clothes can stretch when it's explicitly explained that their original flight undersuits only respond to their powers (i.e. being stretchy, being fireproof or being able to turn invisible etc) can only do so because they were exposed to the same original radiation cloud that game the FF their powers.

Internal logic holes bother me.
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2:24PM on 07/17/2013
If there is one comic book that's made for a family audience, it's the Fantastic Four. I didn't like the first one, but that's because origin stories are incredibly boring to watch now, mostly because they're all the same.

The sequel was a massive improvement, though, and it got the tone of the FF just right. Not too serious, and not too dumb. I mean, this is a story about a guy who can stretch, an invisible woman, a guy who lights himself on fire and a guy made of orange rock going around
If there is one comic book that's made for a family audience, it's the Fantastic Four. I didn't like the first one, but that's because origin stories are incredibly boring to watch now, mostly because they're all the same.

The sequel was a massive improvement, though, and it got the tone of the FF just right. Not too serious, and not too dumb. I mean, this is a story about a guy who can stretch, an invisible woman, a guy who lights himself on fire and a guy made of orange rock going around in a flying car fighting a guy in a suit of armor and a silver man on a surfboard. You can't take it all that seriously even if you wanted to.

Agree that Jessica Alba sucked, but everyone else was spot-on casting. Chiklis was the perfect Thing.
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12:12PM on 07/17/2013
i disagree with Julian McMahon being Dr Doom. Love the dude in Nip/Tuck, but every time he talked, i just couldnt stand it. Didnt sound menacing enough. just sounded like a pretty boy in a mask. Im sure they could of done some audio tweeking when in costume. I also feel thesame way about Venom in Spiderman 3, but im not going into what we all know was wrong with that movie
i disagree with Julian McMahon being Dr Doom. Love the dude in Nip/Tuck, but every time he talked, i just couldnt stand it. Didnt sound menacing enough. just sounded like a pretty boy in a mask. Im sure they could of done some audio tweeking when in costume. I also feel thesame way about Venom in Spiderman 3, but im not going into what we all know was wrong with that movie
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12:12PM on 07/17/2013
It's a silly, silly movie and there's lots of potential with these characters, but in the end it came off as The Incredibles lite. That's not entirely a bad thing because, truth be told, there aren't a lot of superhero movies really young kids can enjoy, particularly around the time of the two Fantastic Four films. X-Men The Last Stand? Spider-Man 3? Superman Returns? So, if nothing else, it was passable kiddie entertainment.
It's a silly, silly movie and there's lots of potential with these characters, but in the end it came off as The Incredibles lite. That's not entirely a bad thing because, truth be told, there aren't a lot of superhero movies really young kids can enjoy, particularly around the time of the two Fantastic Four films. X-Men The Last Stand? Spider-Man 3? Superman Returns? So, if nothing else, it was passable kiddie entertainment.
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11:59AM on 07/17/2013
This guy hated The Avengers and loves Fantastic Four? Joblo, poor poor Joblo.
This guy hated The Avengers and loves Fantastic Four? Joblo, poor poor Joblo.
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11:54AM on 07/17/2013

Dr. Doom: and the unforgivable mistakes

First off, I commend your argument on letting comic book movies be more comic booky and that making them kid friendly and fun shouldn't be the basis for fan boy hatred, but I would like to direct your attention to what I deem the failure of these films and that is the handling of Dr. Victor Von Doom... They fudged it. They fudged it hard. Dr. Doom is one of Marvels greatest super villains in that entire universe and they made him an egotistical d-bag with jealously issues and a vanity
First off, I commend your argument on letting comic book movies be more comic booky and that making them kid friendly and fun shouldn't be the basis for fan boy hatred, but I would like to direct your attention to what I deem the failure of these films and that is the handling of Dr. Victor Von Doom... They fudged it. They fudged it hard. Dr. Doom is one of Marvels greatest super villains in that entire universe and they made him an egotistical d-bag with jealously issues and a vanity complex... Not the genius, sorcery using son of a gypsy whose awesome enough to own a whole damn country and for that * COUGH and the way they handled Silver Surfer and Galactus COUGH* these films are a failure in my eyes.
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10:23AM on 07/17/2013
I loved both of them. Since Dr. Doom sank at the end of Part 2, I always wanted to see them do "Fantastic Four: The Fall of Atlantis" and bring in Namor fighting against Doom and the surface world. Bring in Franklin Richards and do huge sea creatures attacking the east coast. Woulda been a hell of a way to end a trilogy.
I loved both of them. Since Dr. Doom sank at the end of Part 2, I always wanted to see them do "Fantastic Four: The Fall of Atlantis" and bring in Namor fighting against Doom and the surface world. Bring in Franklin Richards and do huge sea creatures attacking the east coast. Woulda been a hell of a way to end a trilogy.
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10:08AM on 07/17/2013
I agree with your point that not every movie needs to be an exploration of something within our society (i.e. what it means to be a hero, or what makes someone a hero, etc) and there's definitely room for a comic book movie to simply be a fun time at the movies without having to analyze our world. But on the other hand, this movie kind of took time to focus more on having a fun time rather than building a story to tell. The movie is really just vignettes and random scenes that showcase the
I agree with your point that not every movie needs to be an exploration of something within our society (i.e. what it means to be a hero, or what makes someone a hero, etc) and there's definitely room for a comic book movie to simply be a fun time at the movies without having to analyze our world. But on the other hand, this movie kind of took time to focus more on having a fun time rather than building a story to tell. The movie is really just vignettes and random scenes that showcase the character's powers and all the antics they get into when using them in their lives. There's really no substance to the story until the third act when Dr. Doom shows up. And him as a villain really made no sense to me, he was already powerful prior to going into space, then he gets powers to make him even more powerful - why would he care about FF, he can just continue doing what he's doing. And frankly, Jessica Alba was a waste in this movie, horribly miscast and brought nothing to the character. They should have gone with their original casting choice of Elizabeth Banks for the role.
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9:56AM on 07/17/2013

Hurm....

Never understood all the hate towards these movies and them being on worst superhero movies lists. I thought this movie was alright when I saw it - coulda been a lot better, could've been a lot worse, but I say it's on par with the first x-men. Now x2 kicked both of their asses but I liked FF enough to go see the 2nd one. I didn't buy them or ever rent them again, but i enjoyed them when I watched them (prolly watched parts off them on hbo or something). The movies can be improved a lot and
Never understood all the hate towards these movies and them being on worst superhero movies lists. I thought this movie was alright when I saw it - coulda been a lot better, could've been a lot worse, but I say it's on par with the first x-men. Now x2 kicked both of their asses but I liked FF enough to go see the 2nd one. I didn't buy them or ever rent them again, but i enjoyed them when I watched them (prolly watched parts off them on hbo or something). The movies can be improved a lot and I'm looking forward to a reboot (that DOESN'T tell an origin story, but does what Norton's Hulk did. Remind us in the opening credits how they got their powers. I will say both films had better trailers than most super movies










































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9:45AM on 07/17/2013

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I disagree with the approach to your opinion. It's not a good movie because it was lighter, more "comic-y". It's just not a good movie. It was not well made. It was cheap (The Thing's Costume as an example), rushed, poorly edited, weak story, and cringe-worthy moments of ridiculous cheese. Tim Story just didn't tell a good story. It's not light or dark that's going to determine if a movie is good or not - it's how well it was made. The Dark Knight is naturalistic and dark and more adult, but
I disagree with the approach to your opinion. It's not a good movie because it was lighter, more "comic-y". It's just not a good movie. It was not well made. It was cheap (The Thing's Costume as an example), rushed, poorly edited, weak story, and cringe-worthy moments of ridiculous cheese. Tim Story just didn't tell a good story. It's not light or dark that's going to determine if a movie is good or not - it's how well it was made. The Dark Knight is naturalistic and dark and more adult, but it's a good movie because it's a just a damn well made movie. Captain America was light and "Comic-y", but it was a good movie because it was just a well made movie.
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5:00PM on 07/17/2013
5:02PM on 07/17/2013
Totally agree with you man. I feel that the only argument the author of this article has is "YOU DIDN"T LIKE IT BECAUSE THE TONE IS TOO LIGHT!!!!" No , I didn't like it because it was a horribly made film. I'd have no problem with the tone (or many of the actors for that matter) if there was a decent story in place and if it was directed competently.
Totally agree with you man. I feel that the only argument the author of this article has is "YOU DIDN"T LIKE IT BECAUSE THE TONE IS TOO LIGHT!!!!" No , I didn't like it because it was a horribly made film. I'd have no problem with the tone (or many of the actors for that matter) if there was a decent story in place and if it was directed competently.
9:35AM on 07/17/2013

They are fun, brainless movies.

I liked them both grant it, I was pretty young when they came out. I have the DVD's so I might have to pop them in. I love Silver Surfer and hope someday he gets the movie he deserves but I still like the sequel better bc he is in it!
I liked them both grant it, I was pretty young when they came out. I have the DVD's so I might have to pop them in. I love Silver Surfer and hope someday he gets the movie he deserves but I still like the sequel better bc he is in it!
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9:24AM on 07/17/2013

I agree

It was a good movie not great and certainly not perfect. But a solid B. Mr Fantastic was off his character isn't a nerd unable to be social but a brilliant scientist too wrapped up in his own mind at times. I'm in love with Jessica Abla so I I'm much more forgiving of her performance. But I completely disagree on Doom, McMahon was boring and quite lame throughout. Plus they made Doom a carbon copy of Osborn which was just wrong. If you fix that the film will instantly improved. Chiklis and
It was a good movie not great and certainly not perfect. But a solid B. Mr Fantastic was off his character isn't a nerd unable to be social but a brilliant scientist too wrapped up in his own mind at times. I'm in love with Jessica Abla so I I'm much more forgiving of her performance. But I completely disagree on Doom, McMahon was boring and quite lame throughout. Plus they made Doom a carbon copy of Osborn which was just wrong. If you fix that the film will instantly improved. Chiklis and Evans nailed their roles and their chemistry was perfect. I'm so glad they didn't go CGI with the Thing because it would have been laughable back then and the suit was able to capture a surprising amount of emotion and subtlety that common CGI for a movie like this in 2005. I believe people are just way too unjustly harsh on the film.
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9:11AM on 07/17/2013

I agree

It was a good movie not great and certainly not perfect. But a solid B. Mr Fantastic was off his character isn't a nerd unable to be social but a brilliant scientist too wrapped up in his own mind at times. I'm in love with Jessica Abla so I I'm much more forgiving of her performance. But I completely disagree on Doom, McMahon was boring and quite lame throughout. Plus they made Doom a carbon copy of Osborn which was just wrong. If you fix that the film will instantly improved. Chiklis and
It was a good movie not great and certainly not perfect. But a solid B. Mr Fantastic was off his character isn't a nerd unable to be social but a brilliant scientist too wrapped up in his own mind at times. I'm in love with Jessica Abla so I I'm much more forgiving of her performance. But I completely disagree on Doom, McMahon was boring and quite lame throughout. Plus they made Doom a carbon copy of Osborn which was just wrong. If you fix that the film will instantly improved. Chiklis and Evans nailed their roles and their chemistry was perfect. I'm so glad they didn't go CGI with the Thing because it would have been laughable back then and the suit was able to capture a surprising amount of emotion and subtlety that common CGI for a movie like this in 2005. I believe people are just way too unjustly harsh on the film.
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8:23AM on 07/17/2013
Hopefully the reboot will do FF a bit more justice.
Fantastic Four and it's sequel were average at best.
Also, what the hell is up with the girl on the right's jaw in that second pic?
Hopefully the reboot will do FF a bit more justice.
Fantastic Four and it's sequel were average at best.
Also, what the hell is up with the girl on the right's jaw in that second pic?
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12:23PM on 07/17/2013
that is one wicked jaw line my friend. think she Reese Witherspoons distant cousin.
that is one wicked jaw line my friend. think she Reese Witherspoons distant cousin.
3:08PM on 07/17/2013
That's what we call a "knob gobbler jaw" in the business.
That's what we call a "knob gobbler jaw" in the business.
8:00AM on 07/17/2013

Ben Grimm should've been all CG.

It was a mistake to have Chiklis don a rubber suit, 'cause that's exactly what it looked like. Didn't believe for a second that The Thing's skin was plate rock. It obviously saved them $$$ on the FX budget (and Chiklis stated he didn't want to do mo-cap or just a voice performance), but it was a false economy.
It was a mistake to have Chiklis don a rubber suit, 'cause that's exactly what it looked like. Didn't believe for a second that The Thing's skin was plate rock. It obviously saved them $$$ on the FX budget (and Chiklis stated he didn't want to do mo-cap or just a voice performance), but it was a false economy.
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9:24AM on 07/17/2013
CGI would have looked aweful and 1000 worse than the suit. Maybe now they could pull it off but back in 2005 to have his role completely CGI would have just felt silly and out of place. It was still a developing technology and with the type of movie it is and the amount of close up shots in a bright setting they needed of Grim I doubt they would have been able to full cgi on a budget that wouldn't bankrupt them without looking ridiculous. The only other succeddful fully cgi characters I can
CGI would have looked aweful and 1000 worse than the suit. Maybe now they could pull it off but back in 2005 to have his role completely CGI would have just felt silly and out of place. It was still a developing technology and with the type of movie it is and the amount of close up shots in a bright setting they needed of Grim I doubt they would have been able to full cgi on a budget that wouldn't bankrupt them without looking ridiculous. The only other succeddful fully cgi characters I can recall at the time was Yoda and Gollum, Yoda had the benefit of being in a fantastical setting next to fantasy characters, withan abundance of matching cgi to help with the illustion, not modern day new york. And Gollum was a feat some would argue hasn't been surpassed yet. If you say the early cgi gollum in fellowship of the rings that's the quality of effect you could have expected if they went that route.
7:06AM on 07/17/2013

100% agree!

I loved Fantastic Four. No clue why it gets the hate it does, but I had a lot of fun watching it. Maybe I'm just a 5 year old child inside :)
I loved Fantastic Four. No clue why it gets the hate it does, but I had a lot of fun watching it. Maybe I'm just a 5 year old child inside :)
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5:51AM on 07/17/2013

Fun time?

Nope. It's boring, childish, and mostly pointless.
Nope. It's boring, childish, and mostly pointless.
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4:31AM on 07/17/2013

You're all wrong.

i have been reading Fantastic Four since i was a kid, for nearly thirty years now. As a fan, i didn't want dark and gritty. i just wanted a film that was true to the comic that i grew up with, and that was not delivered in any way.
i have been reading Fantastic Four since i was a kid, for nearly thirty years now. As a fan, i didn't want dark and gritty. i just wanted a film that was true to the comic that i grew up with, and that was not delivered in any way.
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4:24AM on 07/17/2013
Fantastic Four isn't that bad, so does its sequel. However, they're not that good of superhero movies either. They're passable and good demo material for home theatre system. And I LOVE that Vin Diesel has let himself go joke. I almost spill my coffee, haha.
Fantastic Four isn't that bad, so does its sequel. However, they're not that good of superhero movies either. They're passable and good demo material for home theatre system. And I LOVE that Vin Diesel has let himself go joke. I almost spill my coffee, haha.
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4:05AM on 07/17/2013

Entertaining Films.

I've always had a soft spot for these films. The Fantastic Four have always been one of my more favorite superheroes and even though I enjoyed the films very much for what they were, light heartened very entertaining fun for kids and adults, I always felt they could have been a little better. For instance, they were fun films, but they should have taken themselves more seriously in certain areas.

I enjoyed the cast for these films too even though Gruffudd and Alba were sorely miscast.
I've always had a soft spot for these films. The Fantastic Four have always been one of my more favorite superheroes and even though I enjoyed the films very much for what they were, light heartened very entertaining fun for kids and adults, I always felt they could have been a little better. For instance, they were fun films, but they should have taken themselves more seriously in certain areas.

I enjoyed the cast for these films too even though Gruffudd and Alba were sorely miscast. Evans, Chiklis, and Julian were perfectly cast and easily became their characters. I just wish we were able to get a third film from this crew to round out for a trilogy.

I am for one very excited to see what Tank does with the reboot because with superheroes with these particular superpowers, the possibilities are endless. And also the fact that the Fantastic Four are some of my favorite superheroes of all time. I would love to finally see the Fantastic Four make a comeback in popularity just like Batman did and Man of Steel did through their last couple of films.
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4:36AM on 07/17/2013
Wow! You talk some amount of crap!
You just give a shorter version of whats been said in thr article, but dont seem to have a point.
Wow! You talk some amount of crap!
You just give a shorter version of whats been said in thr article, but dont seem to have a point.
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3:36AM on 07/17/2013

This.... Doesn't make sense

Because of all your opinions you're now saying that THIS movie of ALL the movies you hate - gets the pass because its fun?

A LOT of movies should (and DO get that pass from me) get the same treatment based on everything you've said here. For some reason you've written several paragraphs without saying much of anything.

You're losing your grip here.

Also, I hope you didn't get paid for this.
Because of all your opinions you're now saying that THIS movie of ALL the movies you hate - gets the pass because its fun?

A LOT of movies should (and DO get that pass from me) get the same treatment based on everything you've said here. For some reason you've written several paragraphs without saying much of anything.

You're losing your grip here.

Also, I hope you didn't get paid for this.
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7:07AM on 07/17/2013
A bit harsh.

Internet anonymity continues to assure people they can be bigger assholes than face to face would ever allow...
A bit harsh.

Internet anonymity continues to assure people they can be bigger assholes than face to face would ever allow...
12:46PM on 07/17/2013
I'm not that anonymous
I'm not that anonymous
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3:35AM on 07/17/2013

Yea...no...it's rubbish

Except for Chiklis who owned his part and deserved a better movie, everyone else was mis-cast and the story was just about 4 people literally sitting around like a bad super-hero sitcom.
Except for Chiklis who owned his part and deserved a better movie, everyone else was mis-cast and the story was just about 4 people literally sitting around like a bad super-hero sitcom.
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3:32AM on 07/17/2013

This just reads like bait.

Look, I don't think Fantastic Four was absolutely terrible...but it wasn't a good film. And while small parts of it were fairly close to the comic, the vast majority of it wasn't. Reed and Sue were completely miscast and the story overall is mismanaged thanks to a bumbling director who's never put together a good movie...ever. Plus, the elephant in the room: the tone is completely off...it just doesn't FEEL like a Fantastic Four movie.
Look, I don't think Fantastic Four was absolutely terrible...but it wasn't a good film. And while small parts of it were fairly close to the comic, the vast majority of it wasn't. Reed and Sue were completely miscast and the story overall is mismanaged thanks to a bumbling director who's never put together a good movie...ever. Plus, the elephant in the room: the tone is completely off...it just doesn't FEEL like a Fantastic Four movie.
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2:54AM on 07/17/2013
Both Fantastic Four movies are big guilty pleasures of mine, mostly for nostalgic reasons, they did get the characters of the main 4 right for the most part but butchered Doom. I do a believe someone could edit the 2 films together and make a really awesome FF movie. Maybe I will do that one day.
Both Fantastic Four movies are big guilty pleasures of mine, mostly for nostalgic reasons, they did get the characters of the main 4 right for the most part but butchered Doom. I do a believe someone could edit the 2 films together and make a really awesome FF movie. Maybe I will do that one day.
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2:46AM on 07/17/2013
I don't think all superhero movies need to be gritty artistic character explorations either, however what they should do is try to avoid being dopey like this movie. More sensible casting of the team would have helped too (Chiklis was okay, but the rest were absurdly miscast). The only saving grace of The Fantastic Four was that it wasn't as bad as its own sequel.
I don't think all superhero movies need to be gritty artistic character explorations either, however what they should do is try to avoid being dopey like this movie. More sensible casting of the team would have helped too (Chiklis was okay, but the rest were absurdly miscast). The only saving grace of The Fantastic Four was that it wasn't as bad as its own sequel.
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2:20AM on 07/17/2013

Huh?

I agree that F4 was a fun movie, but you hate the Avengers because you have to explain the movie to a 5 year old?
I agree that F4 was a fun movie, but you hate the Avengers because you have to explain the movie to a 5 year old?
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1:42AM on 07/17/2013
Definitely a guilty pleasure for me.
Definitely a guilty pleasure for me.
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1:28AM on 07/17/2013
Julian McMahon needs to be in more movies and idk why he hasn't.
Julian McMahon needs to be in more movies and idk why he hasn't.
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1:14AM on 07/17/2013

nope. it just sucked

horrible horrible movie. not sure if the sequel is better or not. they botched both movies, bad.....
horrible horrible movie. not sure if the sequel is better or not. they botched both movies, bad.....
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