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The UNpopular Opinion: Scarface

06.09.2010

Written by: Aaron the H

THE UNPOPULAR OPINION is an ongoing column featuring different takes on films that either the writer HATED, but that the majority of film fans LOVED, or that the writer LOVED, but that most others LOATHED. We're hoping this column will promote constructive and geek fueled discussion. Enjoy!

"I didn't come to the United States to break my fu˘kin' back!" - Tony M.

Before I rip into this supposed classic, first thing’s first- I have never seen the original 1932 flick, so I won’t draw any comparisons to that. That said, I absolutely LOVE the gangster genre. My MFC page will tell you that Goodfellas is among my top 10 all-time, and The Godfather Trilogy was the second DVD I ever purchased (after The Karate Kid). But the key difference between De Palma’s cuban gangster 'epic' and the true classics is that great films stand the test of time. Scarface holds up today about as well as Richard Simmons’ short shorts. Where the true classics feature gangsters that have emotional complexity and evolving character arcs, Scarface features an entire cast of thugs that are one-note evil from opening scene to closing credits. 

I might not have as big a problem with the film if it weren’t worshipped by so many gangstas, wannabe gangstas and frat boys alike. You know, that iconic poster of Tony Montana in stark black & white that every rapper who’s ever appeared on MTV’s "Cribs" enshrines over their mantle? But posters are just the beginning. Worse still, as evidenced by the recent video game release, the film’s popularity seems only to be increasing with age, as the legend of Tony Montana is built up, immortalized and envied by countless millions. But why? Lets break Tony down... 

"Your little ones will go wild over Tony's crackpipe accessory kit and ho-slappin' action!"

Montana (Pacino) knifes a Cuban government official in the film’s first 5 minutes. He spends the rest of the movie (spoiler alert) scowling and whining, yelling and mumbling, beating his wife and sister, murdering his friends, and snorting mountains of his own blow. He ultimately ends up face down in his own fountain, shot in the back like a bitch by a nameless goon. This is the character everyone romanticizes. Why, because he can wield a big machine gun and yell? In that case, root for Rambo or John McClane instead. They shoot bad guys- not become them. Justice is the product they peddle, not nose candy.

But hey, I understand the whole “anti-hero” angle, and I'm always a sucker for a good one (Charles Barkley has always been my favorite athlete). In fact, Pacino himself had the anti-hero down to perfection- in The Godfather and Dog Day Afternoon for starters (and to an extent in De Palma’s Carlito’s Way). But in the end, those characters always showed at least some form of morals, humility or conscience. Tony, who's arguably risen as a bigger cultural icon than them all, displays only greed, bitterness, and bloodlust. If he is who our generation has chosen to look up to, then we're all in for a world of trouble (and I'm a dead man for crafting this blasphemic column).

Baking a cake proved to be more difficult than Tony imagined.

Baking a cake proved to be more difficult than Tony imagined.

Tony and his offensive accent aside, the film has a slew of other problem characters as well. The great Robert Loggia is bafflingly miscast and gives a truly bizarre portrayal as Tony’s drug boss. He wears Jewish gold around his neck and occasionally mumbles Yiddish, then quickly veers off into an unintelligible Hispanic accent, all the while looking like he overstayed his welcome in the tanning salon. For a powerful kingpin with a booming empire, he and his henchmen come off about as intimidating as Dora the Explorer and Monkey Boots.

The ‘love’ interest of the film, Michelle Pfeiffer, portrays her character adequately, but is ultimately doomed because she has nothing to do here. She never flashes a single smile, is addicted to coke and booze from start to finish, and marries one drug czar followed by another without ever showing a speck of attraction to either of them. Despite all the screen-time devoted to her and Tony, there's absolutely zero love between them, so really, what’s the point? It’s as if Oli Stone (who wrote the screenplay) realized he created a character in Tony that was so despicable, he didn’t feel the need to waste his time crafting a love story he knew wouldn't be believable.

The truly great gangster films are remembered for their incredible ensembles (Corleone family much?), but the members of Scarface's supporting cast are as richly-layered as Shredder, Beebop and Rocksteady. Maybe that's what makes Tony look so great in comparison? Hell, even Pacino himself- one of the finest actors of any generation- seems to be playing more of a caricature than a character here, but I won't touch that (I don't want to get knifed too).

Hard-core gangster film...or TGIF family sitcom? You be the judge.

Hard-core gangster flick...or TGIF sitcom?

The overly melodramatic score is outshone only by a soundtrack featuring pop ballads (and cheesy montages) so unbelievably 80’s, they’ve surely been parodied on "South Park" by now (just did some research and sure enough, they have). The flamboyantly flashy technicolor costumes (yes, even for 1980's Miami) make the Saturday Night Fever boys look like they're dressing for the Dark Ages. On the other side of the spectrum, the editing is bland (and at times again horribly melodramatic), with the exception of some well-cut shootouts and intense action beats. Finally, the film’s messages come through about as subtle as a tsunami. At one point, the now famous tagline, “The World is Yours”, is literally broadcast on the side of a blimp. Yes, literally. And yet, despite the in-your-faceness of the film's moral, it remains one that seems to have been lost in translation (I'm convinced Tony's not speaking English), as evidenced by the film's ever-growing merchandising phenomenon.

"It really tied the room together."

Despite all my criticisms, I do want to say that Scarface is not without its merits; it’s the Mommy Dearest of the gangster genre. If it’s to be considered a classic, it should be one for all the wrong reasons- kitschy dialogue, a zany soundtrack, over-the-top characters and gratuitous violence, all of which I'll admit I took some sort of joy in watching. What I did not take from the film was a single envious quality in our protagonist; hell, I don’t even think Tony liked himself. So to think his cold-blooded demeanor and over-zealous kingpin life of excess are the coolest things since Von Dutch and FUBU is to forget how Montana eventually goes to Hell: friendless, loveless, coked out, backstabbed, miserable, and face down in his own palace- a clear message De Palma tried (and somehow epically failed) to convey. Tony Montana was not a champ- he was a chump. Put that on your wall and frame it.

The ‘anti-hero’ space on my wall is reserved for Taxi Driver. Travis Bickle would have had a field day with this cock-a-roach.

Extra Tidbit: Brian De Palma was nominated for a Razzie for his directorial effort on Scarface. So there.
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4:22PM on 06/10/2010
I saw the film at a young age with no knowledge of it's popularity and I loved it. I still like the film over a decade later. If you expect it to be more than a simple gangster story, your missing the point.

Like Natty said, your beef is with the fan base and not the movie. The movie is a whole lot better than a lot of people think it is because of the kind of people that idolize Montana.
I saw the film at a young age with no knowledge of it's popularity and I loved it. I still like the film over a decade later. If you expect it to be more than a simple gangster story, your missing the point.

Like Natty said, your beef is with the fan base and not the movie. The movie is a whole lot better than a lot of people think it is because of the kind of people that idolize Montana.
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12:20AM on 06/11/2010
Read paragraphs 5-8 amigo, my beef certainly isn't only with the fanbase. Thanks for reading!
Read paragraphs 5-8 amigo, my beef certainly isn't only with the fanbase. Thanks for reading!
10:09AM on 06/10/2010
...I thoroughly enjoyed this movie but I think the biggest mistake Brian De Palma made (could be a budgetary thing) was the music. It is terrible!! Synthesizer music may work out for some of John Carpenters films (not all of them mind you) but this really needed a classical score to match the epic crime tale being told. I feel it cheapens the whole experience. The female leads were a bit weak but then again they were competing with Al Pacino. Other than that I really dig on this flick,
...I thoroughly enjoyed this movie but I think the biggest mistake Brian De Palma made (could be a budgetary thing) was the music. It is terrible!! Synthesizer music may work out for some of John Carpenters films (not all of them mind you) but this really needed a classical score to match the epic crime tale being told. I feel it cheapens the whole experience. The female leads were a bit weak but then again they were competing with Al Pacino. Other than that I really dig on this flick, particularly the chain saw segment which was immensely crafted by Brian De Palma. And Al Pacino, he was just too damn good in this over the top accent or not.
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9:54AM on 06/10/2010
As usual with Scarface haters, you're problem is not with the movie (which deserves its classic status) but with the fanbase.

I think you missed the point of the 'love interest' too.
As usual with Scarface haters, you're problem is not with the movie (which deserves its classic status) but with the fanbase.

I think you missed the point of the 'love interest' too.
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3:13PM on 06/10/2010
no no, had a problem with the movie as well. Bad acting, goofy clothing, one-note storyline, awful music, cheesy editing etc.
no no, had a problem with the movie as well. Bad acting, goofy clothing, one-note storyline, awful music, cheesy editing etc.
8:59AM on 06/10/2010
Most people that consider it the gangster classic that all others compare, isn't because it's a great movie, its because its just a portrait of a low level thug who made his way to the top, and although he lost his way and knew he was doomed, he died on his feet like most of us hope we do. The thugs treat this idea as their mantra. I don't follow it, but I know that's why. Live big, die on top.
Most people that consider it the gangster classic that all others compare, isn't because it's a great movie, its because its just a portrait of a low level thug who made his way to the top, and although he lost his way and knew he was doomed, he died on his feet like most of us hope we do. The thugs treat this idea as their mantra. I don't follow it, but I know that's why. Live big, die on top.
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8:37AM on 06/10/2010
man, I was with you until you dissed Shredder and his posse :P
Agreed for the most part, though I have similar issues with Taxi Driver too.
man, I was with you until you dissed Shredder and his posse :P
Agreed for the most part, though I have similar issues with Taxi Driver too.
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4:50AM on 06/10/2010

Agreed...

I've been saying virtually the same thing for years. Not at all a bad movie, just nowhere near worthy of the praise it gets. I do agree that the machismo of Tony and the incredible load of memorable stuff in the film give it some merit.
Eventually it'll be a DVD or Blu-Ray buy for me...just not now.
I've been saying virtually the same thing for years. Not at all a bad movie, just nowhere near worthy of the praise it gets. I do agree that the machismo of Tony and the incredible load of memorable stuff in the film give it some merit.
Eventually it'll be a DVD or Blu-Ray buy for me...just not now.
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11:44PM on 06/09/2010

Couldn't agree with you more

I saw this movie at 12 years old, in my prime of liking horrible movies, and found the character very disgusting. Though now I do crack up when he dives nose first into the snow. Bring the thumbs down , but I also think Al Pacino is a tad overrated.
I saw this movie at 12 years old, in my prime of liking horrible movies, and found the character very disgusting. Though now I do crack up when he dives nose first into the snow. Bring the thumbs down , but I also think Al Pacino is a tad overrated.
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10:08PM on 06/09/2010

Sidenote:

Instead of glorifying Tony Montana, all the wannabe gangstas should look at what the movie is saying. If you live like that you die like that and you have nothing but rusty pipes and an ex wife to show for yourself.
Instead of glorifying Tony Montana, all the wannabe gangstas should look at what the movie is saying. If you live like that you die like that and you have nothing but rusty pipes and an ex wife to show for yourself.
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10:05PM on 06/09/2010

Too true.

Now, I like Scarface but it is way overrated. It has become what Johnny Cash is; just something that douche bags say they like so they can seem cool. Better Pacino gangster flick: Donnie Brasco...fucking brilliant. Also please donate to Lefty's Paypal account as he is undergoing surgery soon for his cancer of the prick.
Now, I like Scarface but it is way overrated. It has become what Johnny Cash is; just something that douche bags say they like so they can seem cool. Better Pacino gangster flick: Donnie Brasco...fucking brilliant. Also please donate to Lefty's Paypal account as he is undergoing surgery soon for his cancer of the prick.
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9:29PM on 06/09/2010

About goddam time.

I've been saying this for years.And the first Godfather is the only one I like.
I've been saying this for years.And the first Godfather is the only one I like.
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9:08PM on 06/09/2010
I hate this movie as well. There's no reason for it be so idolize. And excellent new column!
I hate this movie as well. There's no reason for it be so idolize. And excellent new column!
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8:28PM on 06/09/2010
Also, I hold this film solely responsible for Al Pacino's downward spiral. After this film, it's like he literally could NOT stop yelling in films. He's had his moments of subtlety over the years, but for the most part this guy can't stop fucking screaming.

It happens all the time but Pacino is literally stuck in Scarface mode half the time. Just look at Christian Bale, an amazing method actor who growls and yells like Batman throughout the entirety of Terminator, giving the worst
Also, I hold this film solely responsible for Al Pacino's downward spiral. After this film, it's like he literally could NOT stop yelling in films. He's had his moments of subtlety over the years, but for the most part this guy can't stop fucking screaming.

It happens all the time but Pacino is literally stuck in Scarface mode half the time. Just look at Christian Bale, an amazing method actor who growls and yells like Batman throughout the entirety of Terminator, giving the worst performance of his career. Hopefully he can pull himself out of that mode and get back to what makes him an incredibly gifted guy.
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8:40PM on 06/09/2010
wow, that's actually a scary (and solid) point. thanks for sharing.
wow, that's actually a scary (and solid) point. thanks for sharing.
6:31PM on 06/09/2010

And I don't like...

"the godfather".Now how unpopular am I?
"the godfather".Now how unpopular am I?
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6:20PM on 06/09/2010

Meh

I would have been more impressed if someone had written an article slating the series of films you mentioned, The Godfather Trilogy.
One of the most contrived, drawn out and up its own ass looks at a life of crime ever!
I like Scraface purely for Pacino's one liners and rants. He chews the scenery like a madman!
Its mindless fun which is why it appeals to people who wouldn't normally post on sites like this, which probably explains the lack of support for it on here.
This film makes more
I would have been more impressed if someone had written an article slating the series of films you mentioned, The Godfather Trilogy.
One of the most contrived, drawn out and up its own ass looks at a life of crime ever!
I like Scraface purely for Pacino's one liners and rants. He chews the scenery like a madman!
Its mindless fun which is why it appeals to people who wouldn't normally post on sites like this, which probably explains the lack of support for it on here.
This film makes more sense to me than a film like the Godfather though because most people that climb to to the top of the crime ladder would be a total bastard that kills his mates!
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6:18PM on 06/09/2010
Like the new column. I'm come down somewhere in the middle with Scarface, but as someone who all too frequently seems at the opposite view of my friends and peers I like this column.
Like the new column. I'm come down somewhere in the middle with Scarface, but as someone who all too frequently seems at the opposite view of my friends and peers I like this column.
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6:11PM on 06/09/2010
Tony Montana isn't supposed to represent your iconic desire of how an anti-hero should appear. He's realistic that, in REAL LIFE, there are many people like this. Without morals, or redeeming qualities. He's trapped within the quality of evil incarnate, and you can witness the constant struggle that many people find relatable in life. You simply misunderstand this concept because of your biased ideology. This is a worthless review.
Tony Montana isn't supposed to represent your iconic desire of how an anti-hero should appear. He's realistic that, in REAL LIFE, there are many people like this. Without morals, or redeeming qualities. He's trapped within the quality of evil incarnate, and you can witness the constant struggle that many people find relatable in life. You simply misunderstand this concept because of your biased ideology. This is a worthless review.
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11:19PM on 06/09/2010
Likewise, this is a worthless comment. Did you not read ALL of his reasoning? About the characters (more than 1) the cheesy montages/music, and poor actor choices. Guess you are one those people.
Likewise, this is a worthless comment. Did you not read ALL of his reasoning? About the characters (more than 1) the cheesy montages/music, and poor actor choices. Guess you are one those people.
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6:10PM on 06/09/2010

"At one point, the now famous tagline, “The World is Yours”, is literally broadcast on the side of a blimp. Yes, literally."

not defending the movie, but in the original 1932 version, there is a similar shot in the end where the camera pans to reveal The World is Yours on a billboard, so i think that was more of a homage than De Palma being blatant and in your face about the message
not defending the movie, but in the original 1932 version, there is a similar shot in the end where the camera pans to reveal The World is Yours on a billboard, so i think that was more of a homage than De Palma being blatant and in your face about the message
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7:39PM on 06/09/2010
that's a good point, and I had actually heard that. And to be honest, if it was JUST on the blimp i wouldn't have had such a hard time with it. But then later in his house he as the phrase mounted in neon lights. It's like "OK, we get it."
that's a good point, and I had actually heard that. And to be honest, if it was JUST on the blimp i wouldn't have had such a hard time with it. But then later in his house he as the phrase mounted in neon lights. It's like "OK, we get it."
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6:08PM on 06/09/2010
Gangsters and rappers idolize his rise to the top but ultimately hang his poster on their walls as a reminder of how you can lose everything and what NOT to do. I think YOU, Aaron, were the one that missed the point.
Gangsters and rappers idolize his rise to the top but ultimately hang his poster on their walls as a reminder of how you can lose everything and what NOT to do. I think YOU, Aaron, were the one that missed the point.
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6:55PM on 06/09/2010
Thanks for bringing us the truth from the streets about what motivates "Gangsters and rappers". They're here to provide cautionary tales, and not to exploit the misadventures of inner-city urban life, to the titillation of white males with their disproportionate disposable incomes and fantasies about outlaw fables that let them daydream about escaping their suburban golden handcuffs.

For second, I almost sold everybody short; glad that didn't happen. Thank god the ghetto shrink was in tha
Thanks for bringing us the truth from the streets about what motivates "Gangsters and rappers". They're here to provide cautionary tales, and not to exploit the misadventures of inner-city urban life, to the titillation of white males with their disproportionate disposable incomes and fantasies about outlaw fables that let them daydream about escaping their suburban golden handcuffs.

For second, I almost sold everybody short; glad that didn't happen. Thank god the ghetto shrink was in tha house to chin check my ass.
11:21PM on 06/09/2010
and which ganster or rapper are you? Since you know everything.
and which ganster or rapper are you? Since you know everything.
5:45PM on 06/09/2010

I have still never seen it

Mostly to do with cholos love for the film. That is why I will probably never watch it because me and cholos don't tend to agree on many issues including movies. Also why I will never watch American Me...another idolized cholo movie.
Mostly to do with cholos love for the film. That is why I will probably never watch it because me and cholos don't tend to agree on many issues including movies. Also why I will never watch American Me...another idolized cholo movie.
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5:25PM on 06/09/2010
I love this movie and have watched it countless times. I never find myself bored and Tony's character is great to follow, similar to a Hans Landa althought maybe not to an extenet, and I love the chainsaw scene. Tony also has many great and hilarious quotes throughout the film which I find myself repeating over and over again. Yet, I can agree with all the points that were stated above and you make very valid arguments. I doubt my view on the movie will change but I can totally understand if
I love this movie and have watched it countless times. I never find myself bored and Tony's character is great to follow, similar to a Hans Landa althought maybe not to an extenet, and I love the chainsaw scene. Tony also has many great and hilarious quotes throughout the film which I find myself repeating over and over again. Yet, I can agree with all the points that were stated above and you make very valid arguments. I doubt my view on the movie will change but I can totally understand if others dont like this movie and think its not one of Pacino's finest and I agree that someone like Montana shouldnt be idolized
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5:13PM on 06/09/2010

No more guilt!

This movie is on a short list of supposed "classics" I have yet to see. Thanks for the article, now I don't have to feel guilty about never having wanted to see it.
This movie is on a short list of supposed "classics" I have yet to see. Thanks for the article, now I don't have to feel guilty about never having wanted to see it.
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4:58PM on 06/09/2010
weird how people keep bringing up "rappers" "gangstas" and "hoodlums" idolizing this bad guy meanwhile i bet most of the people here have Taxi Driver or Pulp FIction or Reservoir Dogs on their wall.... i guess that's what makes it just your personal pet peeve and not some thing that should matter to say... me.
weird how people keep bringing up "rappers" "gangstas" and "hoodlums" idolizing this bad guy meanwhile i bet most of the people here have Taxi Driver or Pulp FIction or Reservoir Dogs on their wall.... i guess that's what makes it just your personal pet peeve and not some thing that should matter to say... me.
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5:32PM on 06/09/2010
struck a nerve have I?
haha... continue to suck it.
struck a nerve have I?
haha... continue to suck it.
5:59PM on 06/09/2010
I wouldn't take it personally dude, everyone is entitled to their opinion, I get loads of negatives but don't mind, it's part of the fun.
I wouldn't take it personally dude, everyone is entitled to their opinion, I get loads of negatives but don't mind, it's part of the fun.
6:09PM on 06/09/2010
thanks, bond. and i hope i didnt offend you earlier. it's just the references to "rappers" and now "cholos" that is getting at me... rather then legitimately discuss the movie some are picking a group they are prejudiced against and using that as the basis of their dislike. the stink from that kind of thinking is strong.

at this point i was taking the thumbs down as an honor.
thanks, bond. and i hope i didnt offend you earlier. it's just the references to "rappers" and now "cholos" that is getting at me... rather then legitimately discuss the movie some are picking a group they are prejudiced against and using that as the basis of their dislike. the stink from that kind of thinking is strong.

at this point i was taking the thumbs down as an honor.
6:17PM on 06/09/2010
Yeah I know what you mean, I actually own Scarface on DVD haha, I just enjoy stirring up a good debate.
Yeah I know what you mean, I actually own Scarface on DVD haha, I just enjoy stirring up a good debate.
7:38PM on 06/09/2010
it's not just gangstas though man, which is why i also added "frat boys and wannabes". I shit you not, I was in a Ross (Dress For Less) just yesterday and sure enough they were selling a framed Scarface poster. A 12 year old boy with his mom said "Aww mom, can I get the Scarface poster?" and she just looked at him dumbfounded. That kid wasn't a gangsta or a rapper, but because rappers all own the poster (there's even a rapper NAMED Scarface)and because even stores like Ross sell them, these
it's not just gangstas though man, which is why i also added "frat boys and wannabes". I shit you not, I was in a Ross (Dress For Less) just yesterday and sure enough they were selling a framed Scarface poster. A 12 year old boy with his mom said "Aww mom, can I get the Scarface poster?" and she just looked at him dumbfounded. That kid wasn't a gangsta or a rapper, but because rappers all own the poster (there's even a rapper NAMED Scarface)and because even stores like Ross sell them, these kids look up to Tony all of a sudden like they look up to the rappers. Your point about Reservoir Dogs however is totally valid. Taxi Driver though, Bickle can definitely be looked at as having decent intentions, even if he was somewhat nutty in the head. Scarface only wanted baaaad things.
7:40PM on 06/09/2010
Totally respect your opinion though and like you said, it is a personal pet peeve of mine. This is just an opinion column afterall.
Totally respect your opinion though and like you said, it is a personal pet peeve of mine. This is just an opinion column afterall.
4:39PM on 06/09/2010
I disagree with one of the main points of the column: I don't think the film is misguided because Tony Montana is unlikable, I think the people who idolize him are misguided. He's meant to be an unlikable prick, he's a villain protagonist, not an anti-hero.

That said, while I can see all your points, I must say I am a fan of this film. It's no Goodfellas, Godfather, or even Carlito's Way, but it's still really awesome.

Love the new column, though, and I look forward to reading more.
I disagree with one of the main points of the column: I don't think the film is misguided because Tony Montana is unlikable, I think the people who idolize him are misguided. He's meant to be an unlikable prick, he's a villain protagonist, not an anti-hero.

That said, while I can see all your points, I must say I am a fan of this film. It's no Goodfellas, Godfather, or even Carlito's Way, but it's still really awesome.

Love the new column, though, and I look forward to reading more.
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4:35PM on 06/09/2010

A Second Opinion.

I saw this movie for the first time a couple of years ago. I'd heard the hype. I'd seen the posters (and it's not JUST the gangsta rappers that have this poster on their wall. I live in a middle class white neighborhood and 7/10 males have this poster on their wall too!) So I went in expecting to see some aged crap. What I found out was that this movie was really entertaining.

You know, I can't really understand why certain people don't dig certain movies, but it's really not the point here.
I saw this movie for the first time a couple of years ago. I'd heard the hype. I'd seen the posters (and it's not JUST the gangsta rappers that have this poster on their wall. I live in a middle class white neighborhood and 7/10 males have this poster on their wall too!) So I went in expecting to see some aged crap. What I found out was that this movie was really entertaining.

You know, I can't really understand why certain people don't dig certain movies, but it's really not the point here. The film has a cult following and there's nothing wrong with that. Personally, I thought the character of Tony Montana was unique...to me he just seemed REAL. Especially nowadays because, hell, that's how a lot of our YOUTH think, just not with the bad english and crappy accent. It was a perfect representation of ambition in the slums and how it's being fueled even to this very day through hyper-consumerism, commercialism and crime. I thought Tony had a soul...he showed it by the way he viewed his sister (albeit jaded). What's so hard to understand about that? He was scum and he knew it, and he couldn't stand to see his sister become that same level of scum. And yea, he rose to the top with pure cunning and balls. That's just f**king admirable period. It's just alpha male admiration. Sure, you respect the guy at the top with the fine clothes and the good looks. But you admire EVEN MORE the guy who doesn't give a f*** and will rip your head off. Maybe not admire, but you respect him...at least to the point where you won't disrespect him to his face or you'll find yourself sleeping with the fishes.

I think it's the machismo that macho-ness...the super alpha male dominion of it all that some men relate to and admire.

Anyways, not trying to give it a review, I just thought it was a fun movie. I never heard it was like the BEST movie in the world or that it was oscar worthy. I just heard it was hardcore and when finally sitting down to watch it, I found it's source material to live up to its reputation.

IT WAS HARDCORE.

And that's what I think people admire about it.

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8:43PM on 06/09/2010
All the stuff about alpha male respect/admiration, is exactly why he's a terrible role model. Just because he goes from rags to riches doesn't make him anyone to admire. You're saying that it's okay to look up to this guy? Shouldn't we be trying to stand for something other than get rich quick?

Alpha males don't need to be cruel and hurt others outside their family to be good people. Alpha males are supposed to be leaders that others want to be around.

And no, it's not just gangsta rappers
All the stuff about alpha male respect/admiration, is exactly why he's a terrible role model. Just because he goes from rags to riches doesn't make him anyone to admire. You're saying that it's okay to look up to this guy? Shouldn't we be trying to stand for something other than get rich quick?

Alpha males don't need to be cruel and hurt others outside their family to be good people. Alpha males are supposed to be leaders that others want to be around.

And no, it's not just gangsta rappers that idolize Tony. Most people I know are not rappers, of any sort, and they still love him. Which is fine. They aren't hurting anyone. But I wish our role models could be something more inspiring then just powerful men who take what they want. If Tony were such a good role model the movie would have ended before he died. Or he would have died in a less horrendous way. Perhaps with family around him. Instead he ends up in an awful situation which he never should have been. We all want the best for our families. But climbing over others and abusing power isn't the way.

Alpha male respect? Come on. Respect has to be earned, not taken.
11:33PM on 06/09/2010
Well said Noct. Southtown, Im not sure Tony was admired OR respected in the film by anyone. Feared maybe, but not by everyone, as evidenced by how quickly he was dispatched by another drug boss when he got out of hand. Like Noct said, there are plenty of more admirable and respectable ways to get to the top, and plenty more admirable and respectable, though less appreciated film characters. Thus, I doubt we can deduce that that's why people look up to him. I think it's cuz he can yell "Say
Well said Noct. Southtown, Im not sure Tony was admired OR respected in the film by anyone. Feared maybe, but not by everyone, as evidenced by how quickly he was dispatched by another drug boss when he got out of hand. Like Noct said, there are plenty of more admirable and respectable ways to get to the top, and plenty more admirable and respectable, though less appreciated film characters. Thus, I doubt we can deduce that that's why people look up to him. I think it's cuz he can yell "Say hello to my lil' friend" while holding a big gun. Problem is, all the people who love him for that scene seem to have forgotten how that scene ended (and thus, the director's intended message).
4:35PM on 06/09/2010

Finally someone who agrees

I wrote a list of top Gangster Movies and was practically crucified for my omission of the thoroughly overrated DePalma disaster. Finally someone with a little clout has support the obvious and trashed this movie apart. Just take a look at the amazing amount of comments ripping me, but I guess it is from those same wannabe gangstas and frat boys huh?

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I wrote a list of top Gangster Movies and was practically crucified for my omission of the thoroughly overrated DePalma disaster. Finally someone with a little clout has support the obvious and trashed this movie apart. Just take a look at the amazing amount of comments ripping me, but I guess it is from those same wannabe gangstas and frat boys huh?

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4:32PM on 06/09/2010

I agree

I think as consumers of fiction, we are more attuned to "perceived authenticity" than we used to be. Scarface is the opposite of authenticity.

@Joblo: I think you guys pointed out the Emperor wears no clothes, so people could be more honest. There's an unspoken (and sometimes spoken) agreement about what films are acceptable for people to praise and condemn around here. If you see somebody trashing Boondock Saints (a film I think is a steaming pile of shit), that person is going to get
I think as consumers of fiction, we are more attuned to "perceived authenticity" than we used to be. Scarface is the opposite of authenticity.

@Joblo: I think you guys pointed out the Emperor wears no clothes, so people could be more honest. There's an unspoken (and sometimes spoken) agreement about what films are acceptable for people to praise and condemn around here. If you see somebody trashing Boondock Saints (a film I think is a steaming pile of shit), that person is going to get ripped a new one by the boards. So a lot of times, people wither dive head first into a flame war because that's what they want, or they just don't bother opening their mouths.

I think this column has potential, and I bet you'll be continued to be surprised the consensus that will form around unpopular opinions.
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4:47PM on 06/09/2010
Boondock Saints is rotten. :)
Boondock Saints is rotten. :)
7:25PM on 06/09/2010
P.S. you should be a writer if you aren't already.
P.S. you should be a writer if you aren't already.
7:46PM on 06/09/2010
I agree with IwishIwasBond. Another well written commentary my man. Glad you dug my column. And you're right, its not that my opinion proved to be popular afterall. Clearly, Scarface is a phenomenon. People Are just afraid to speak out against the status quo. Glad my move seems to be paying off.
I agree with IwishIwasBond. Another well written commentary my man. Glad you dug my column. And you're right, its not that my opinion proved to be popular afterall. Clearly, Scarface is a phenomenon. People Are just afraid to speak out against the status quo. Glad my move seems to be paying off.
4:27PM on 06/09/2010

Almost didn't read this?

Once I saw this artical was about the Scarface movie I almost clicked off. Thought it was another tribute to the movie, then saw unpopular opinion and it made me ponder "Maybe I aint the only one that thinks this is a steaming pile of Crap"! Never have liked this movie, I avoid it at all costs. I can't believe all the editions to come out for it, and all the merchandise of it. Glad there are others that are on my boat!
Once I saw this artical was about the Scarface movie I almost clicked off. Thought it was another tribute to the movie, then saw unpopular opinion and it made me ponder "Maybe I aint the only one that thinks this is a steaming pile of Crap"! Never have liked this movie, I avoid it at all costs. I can't believe all the editions to come out for it, and all the merchandise of it. Glad there are others that are on my boat!
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4:06PM on 06/09/2010

Amazed by all the people agreeing!

We honestly thought this first column would spark MAJOR DEBATE and cause outrage, but oddly enough, 80% of you seem to AGREE with our first so-called "unpopular opinion", so I guess we're REALLY gonna have to find a more appropriate "unpopular opinion" movie next time... ;) Who knew!!
We honestly thought this first column would spark MAJOR DEBATE and cause outrage, but oddly enough, 80% of you seem to AGREE with our first so-called "unpopular opinion", so I guess we're REALLY gonna have to find a more appropriate "unpopular opinion" movie next time... ;) Who knew!!
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4:09PM on 06/09/2010
I think this response reflects well on the intelligence of our audience :)
I think this response reflects well on the intelligence of our audience :)
4:26PM on 06/09/2010
I had SCARFACE in my "50 Coolest Movies of All-Time" book, yo! Apparently, I'm out to lunch!! :)
I had SCARFACE in my "50 Coolest Movies of All-Time" book, yo! Apparently, I'm out to lunch!! :)
6:35PM on 06/09/2010
Here are my thoughts on Scarface. I will write this as if I were Charles Barkley in honor of Aaron’s well written review.
It is a terribly made film, one of DePalma’s worst before the 90's. It has a terrible script, terrible editing, terrible acting (Yes, even Pacino), terribly miscast, (good actors who put in terrible performances), terrible soundtrack (Although cheesily entertaining). It is just an all around terrible film.
With that said, it is terribly entertaining in a trashy way and
Here are my thoughts on Scarface. I will write this as if I were Charles Barkley in honor of Aaron’s well written review.
It is a terribly made film, one of DePalma’s worst before the 90's. It has a terrible script, terrible editing, terrible acting (Yes, even Pacino), terribly miscast, (good actors who put in terrible performances), terrible soundtrack (Although cheesily entertaining). It is just an all around terrible film.
With that said, it is terribly entertaining in a trashy way and if it comes on cable I will watch it if nothing else is on.
8:12PM on 06/09/2010
I actually think this is great news. Instead of dividing we're coming together. We're probably still in the minority. Most people I know love it.
I actually think this is great news. Instead of dividing we're coming together. We're probably still in the minority. Most people I know love it.
4:05PM on 06/09/2010
I liked Scarface. I've only seen it once from front-to-back. But I'll admit I liked it for the same reasons you mention. That gangstas worship him is kind of like how stock brokers worship Gordon Gekko. Oliver Stone knows how to make soulless money-grubbers iconic and admirable in a completely superficial way. And that is really kind of sad, especially Tony Montana's fan-base.

I do recommend you watch the original Howard Hawks/Paul Muni movie to see where it drew inspiration and where it
I liked Scarface. I've only seen it once from front-to-back. But I'll admit I liked it for the same reasons you mention. That gangstas worship him is kind of like how stock brokers worship Gordon Gekko. Oliver Stone knows how to make soulless money-grubbers iconic and admirable in a completely superficial way. And that is really kind of sad, especially Tony Montana's fan-base.

I do recommend you watch the original Howard Hawks/Paul Muni movie to see where it drew inspiration and where it veered off in crazy directions. At the very least, it might point out why Robert Loggia's character is just not scary. He's an old-school gangster, not a psychopath, as both Pacino and Muni are in their respective movies.
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4:10PM on 06/09/2010
Good to know. I'm definitely interested in checking the original out now that you say that. Although I hope the Loggia character in that one isn't just plain goofy like he is here!
Good to know. I'm definitely interested in checking the original out now that you say that. Although I hope the Loggia character in that one isn't just plain goofy like he is here!
3:56PM on 06/09/2010
I really don't understand the obsession with this movie that so many people bear--I can't walk through Philadelphia without seeing some hoodlum donning a hoodie that shows them idolizing Scarface. For chrissakes, he was a coldhearted, murderous bastard who shoved more shit up his nose than Stevie Ray Vaughn. The original Scarface with Paul Muni is a goddamn classic, as opposed to Pacino's ridiculously irritating hispanic charicature he portrays. Ugh. Cannot be more overrated.
I really don't understand the obsession with this movie that so many people bear--I can't walk through Philadelphia without seeing some hoodlum donning a hoodie that shows them idolizing Scarface. For chrissakes, he was a coldhearted, murderous bastard who shoved more shit up his nose than Stevie Ray Vaughn. The original Scarface with Paul Muni is a goddamn classic, as opposed to Pacino's ridiculously irritating hispanic charicature he portrays. Ugh. Cannot be more overrated.
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3:55PM on 06/09/2010
Well this article seems to be a failure. Your opinion IS the popular opinion it would seem haha
Well this article seems to be a failure. Your opinion IS the popular opinion it would seem haha
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3:54PM on 06/09/2010
"I understand the whole “anti-hero” angle,....But in the end, those characters always showed at least some form of morals, humility or conscience."

..well I "guess" Al Pacino plays an immoral ganster in this movie, not a good kid underneath and really misunderstood gangster that only kills people he has to (like in so many other "great" movies)!! It is kind of hard to like a character like that...

..PS: I don't give a sh... about MTV and it's trash shows..
"I understand the whole “anti-hero” angle,....But in the end, those characters always showed at least some form of morals, humility or conscience."

..well I "guess" Al Pacino plays an immoral ganster in this movie, not a good kid underneath and really misunderstood gangster that only kills people he has to (like in so many other "great" movies)!! It is kind of hard to like a character like that...

..PS: I don't give a sh... about MTV and it's trash shows..
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3:27PM on 06/09/2010
Displays only greed, bitterness, and bloodlust? He shot the damn bomber in the head, rather than allow the woman and kids to be blown up! (And if I remember the movie correctly, thats what led to his death)
Displays only greed, bitterness, and bloodlust? He shot the damn bomber in the head, rather than allow the woman and kids to be blown up! (And if I remember the movie correctly, thats what led to his death)
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3:26PM on 06/09/2010
Scarface is garbaggio, fuck the majority if they think it's good. Terrible unrealistic, the first 15-20 minutes is the best part.
Scarface is garbaggio, fuck the majority if they think it's good. Terrible unrealistic, the first 15-20 minutes is the best part.
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3:10PM on 06/09/2010
Completely agree, always found Scarface overrated. I had friends in high school who had the Scarface poster and it made me cringe.

If you wanna see an amazing modern gangster film with an identifiable lead, check out A PROPHET when it hits DVD in August. The director always called it the anti-Scarface and it's by far the best film of the year.
Completely agree, always found Scarface overrated. I had friends in high school who had the Scarface poster and it made me cringe.

If you wanna see an amazing modern gangster film with an identifiable lead, check out A PROPHET when it hits DVD in August. The director always called it the anti-Scarface and it's by far the best film of the year.
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3:37PM on 06/09/2010
I've heard that film is amazing. Gotta check it out. Wasnt aware the director referred to it as the anti-Scarface, but love that!
I've heard that film is amazing. Gotta check it out. Wasnt aware the director referred to it as the anti-Scarface, but love that!
2:52PM on 06/09/2010

Well

I have alway's loved the film, But have absolutely hated all the Rapper Gangsta dumbass's worshiping Montana, just buged the hell outa me. Not a perfect film but still holds a place in movie history for me
I have alway's loved the film, But have absolutely hated all the Rapper Gangsta dumbass's worshiping Montana, just buged the hell outa me. Not a perfect film but still holds a place in movie history for me
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2:49PM on 06/09/2010

Couldn't agree more

I've been saying this for years and generally most my friends agree with me. Then again we're all goodfellas and godfather fans. Scarface is a trashy excuse for a gangster movie with more badly written attempts at style than characterization or depth. Had I never seen another Pacino movie I'd have called him a hack of an actor, and generally the same for DePalma. Thankfully their careers have had enough golden eggs to make up for the meh-fest that was Scarface. As said below, thank you for
I've been saying this for years and generally most my friends agree with me. Then again we're all goodfellas and godfather fans. Scarface is a trashy excuse for a gangster movie with more badly written attempts at style than characterization or depth. Had I never seen another Pacino movie I'd have called him a hack of an actor, and generally the same for DePalma. Thankfully their careers have had enough golden eggs to make up for the meh-fest that was Scarface. As said below, thank you for voicing what many of us have kept closetted as movie nerds for fear of stabbing. I salute you.
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2:44PM on 06/09/2010

what is a chazzer?

I watch Scarface (repeatedly) for the avalanche of quotables or as you say "kitschy dialogue". And I suck at rapping. just check the IMDB page, it's THAT long for a reason.

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but to much of us it so much more. I'll just file this under "Aaron's opinion piece". But love it or hate it, it isn't going away any time soon. so you'll just have to stew
I watch Scarface (repeatedly) for the avalanche of quotables or as you say "kitschy dialogue". And I suck at rapping. just check the IMDB page, it's THAT long for a reason.

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but to much of us it so much more. I'll just file this under "Aaron's opinion piece". But love it or hate it, it isn't going away any time soon. so you'll just have to stew
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2:44PM on 06/09/2010
Ive always agreed with what this is saying. its not a great film, its just a badass movie. Kinda like how the deuce bigelows arent good movies, but they are funny. or like Jason Statham said about his movies: they won't win any oscars, but theyll entertain. and realistically, thats what movies are supposed to do anyway.
Ive always agreed with what this is saying. its not a great film, its just a badass movie. Kinda like how the deuce bigelows arent good movies, but they are funny. or like Jason Statham said about his movies: they won't win any oscars, but theyll entertain. and realistically, thats what movies are supposed to do anyway.
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2:27PM on 06/09/2010

Damn you, JoBlo!


I started this on IMDb years ago and was planning to add it to my own blog.

Arrrrgggghh!

I started this on IMDb years ago and was planning to add it to my own blog.

Arrrrgggghh!
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2:29PM on 06/09/2010
Guess I'll have to stick with the "Contrarian Corner" column.

Good idea, obviously.
Guess I'll have to stick with the "Contrarian Corner" column.

Good idea, obviously.
1:52PM on 06/09/2010

Well said!

Finally someone put in words what I've been feeling for years and IwishIwasBond's comment is to a tee as well. Hear, hear, chaps!
Finally someone put in words what I've been feeling for years and IwishIwasBond's comment is to a tee as well. Hear, hear, chaps!
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2:00PM on 06/09/2010
Hooray!! :)
Hooray!! :)
1:50PM on 06/09/2010

Well said!

Finally someone put in words what I've been feeling for years and IwishIwasBond's comment is to a tee as well. Hear, hear, chaps!
Finally someone put in words what I've been feeling for years and IwishIwasBond's comment is to a tee as well. Hear, hear, chaps!
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1:50PM on 06/09/2010
I never thought SCARFACE was a "perfect film" by any means, and that musical montage always cracked me up, but at the end of the day, it's an ENTERTAINING movie that features some fun acting, a handful of pretty intense sequences (if the "shower scene" doesn't get you, nothing will) and even a somewhat "inspirational" storyline about a guy who starts off as a "peace of chit!" and turns into a top-of-the-line drug dealer with nothing but hard work, perseverance and balls! I believe those are the
I never thought SCARFACE was a "perfect film" by any means, and that musical montage always cracked me up, but at the end of the day, it's an ENTERTAINING movie that features some fun acting, a handful of pretty intense sequences (if the "shower scene" doesn't get you, nothing will) and even a somewhat "inspirational" storyline about a guy who starts off as a "peace of chit!" and turns into a top-of-the-line drug dealer with nothing but hard work, perseverance and balls! I believe those are the things that fans of the film connect to... Oh, and it's totally quotable!!
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2:32PM on 06/09/2010
I think it may be the most awesomely bad film of all time.
I think it may be the most awesomely bad film of all time.
3:01PM on 06/09/2010
agreed!!!!
also, i love the "controversial" nature of this column. let's get some sparks up in here.
agreed!!!!
also, i love the "controversial" nature of this column. let's get some sparks up in here.
12:42PM on 06/09/2010
I think it's hilarious that these dumbass rappers who have a passing acquaintance with the English language think this guy is cool. He fancies his sister, he's batshit crazy and he's a drug dealer. Wow I wish I was that cool, he's SUCH a role model. DePalma himself said in a recent interview that Montana isn't meant to be a role model and that these idiots are missing the point.
I think it's hilarious that these dumbass rappers who have a passing acquaintance with the English language think this guy is cool. He fancies his sister, he's batshit crazy and he's a drug dealer. Wow I wish I was that cool, he's SUCH a role model. DePalma himself said in a recent interview that Montana isn't meant to be a role model and that these idiots are missing the point.
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2:52PM on 06/09/2010
Nail on the head pal
Nail on the head pal
3:08PM on 06/09/2010
youre shitting on other people's role models yet your name is i wish I were Bond... just wanted to point that out.

and those "idiots" are lining his pockets by keeping his movie alive while he continues to turn out shit film after shit film.
youre shitting on other people's role models yet your name is i wish I were Bond... just wanted to point that out.

and those "idiots" are lining his pockets by keeping his movie alive while he continues to turn out shit film after shit film.
4:33PM on 06/09/2010
By the way it's IwishIwasBond, not "were" so I'll just point that out smart ass. I'm not slagging off peoples role models just stupid people who think Montana is a hero. And I never said Bond was my role model either although he doesn't want to fuck his sister.
By the way it's IwishIwasBond, not "were" so I'll just point that out smart ass. I'm not slagging off peoples role models just stupid people who think Montana is a hero. And I never said Bond was my role model either although he doesn't want to fuck his sister.
5:41PM on 06/09/2010
ohhhh snap.

you even have awesome quips like Bond.

Daniel Craig, you have been put on notice!
ohhhh snap.

you even have awesome quips like Bond.

Daniel Craig, you have been put on notice!
5:47PM on 06/09/2010
haha you're actually pretty entertaining. Although I think Craig is gubbed anyway since MGM went tits up. ;)
haha you're actually pretty entertaining. Although I think Craig is gubbed anyway since MGM went tits up. ;)
5:57PM on 06/09/2010
Look at Mr. Bond breakin' Thumbs, Way to go buddy. I never got the whole Scarface thing with rappers either "Yay I wanna be a cokehead who fucks my sister" That's Gangsta yo.
Look at Mr. Bond breakin' Thumbs, Way to go buddy. I never got the whole Scarface thing with rappers either "Yay I wanna be a cokehead who fucks my sister" That's Gangsta yo.
6:00PM on 06/09/2010
Greetings Mr Owl, nah we're just having a fun debate. I've just added thumbs on MFC cos he seems fun.
Greetings Mr Owl, nah we're just having a fun debate. I've just added thumbs on MFC cos he seems fun.
6:14PM on 06/09/2010
we're bonded, nite owl. In fact i seem to remember sticking up for you against that film guy nudnick... know your allies
we're bonded, nite owl. In fact i seem to remember sticking up for you against that film guy nudnick... know your allies
6:19PM on 06/09/2010
As I mentioned to thumbs I actually have Scarface on DVD hahaha. I do enjoy the movie for fun, I just don't idolize the character. :)
As I mentioned to thumbs I actually have Scarface on DVD hahaha. I do enjoy the movie for fun, I just don't idolize the character. :)
12:37PM on 06/09/2010

Agreed!

Glad to see I'm not the only one. Never cared much for this film. Al Pacino is nothing more than a foul-mouthed cartoon character as Tony Montana. I'd much rather watch him as Michael Corleone (even in Part III) any day. Way overrated, thats just me.......
Glad to see I'm not the only one. Never cared much for this film. Al Pacino is nothing more than a foul-mouthed cartoon character as Tony Montana. I'd much rather watch him as Michael Corleone (even in Part III) any day. Way overrated, thats just me.......
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12:51PM on 06/09/2010
oh it ain't just you!
oh it ain't just you!
12:30PM on 06/09/2010
Agree with everything. I always thought it was so over the top it was stupid...give me Goodfellas, Donnie Brasco or The Godfather.
Agree with everything. I always thought it was so over the top it was stupid...give me Goodfellas, Donnie Brasco or The Godfather.
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12:28PM on 06/09/2010
Discovering this article today has made my day better and to see everyone agreeing makes me even happier. This movie has been killed so badly by gangstas and the such. The whole population of teens in my area have modeled their personalities after Tony which makes me hate it more. It did bring one good thing though. Hilarious and wrong at the same time [link] ">
Discovering this article today has made my day better and to see everyone agreeing makes me even happier. This movie has been killed so badly by gangstas and the such. The whole population of teens in my area have modeled their personalities after Tony which makes me hate it more. It did bring one good thing though. Hilarious and wrong at the same time [link]
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12:22PM on 06/09/2010
i mean absolutely no offense to the writer, but I hate this style of column. No joke, it's exactly why I stopped reading CHUD.
i mean absolutely no offense to the writer, but I hate this style of column. No joke, it's exactly why I stopped reading CHUD.
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12:31PM on 06/09/2010
I enjoyed it. Have fun finding a new site.
I enjoyed it. Have fun finding a new site.
12:19PM on 06/09/2010
WELL SAID!
WELL SAID!
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12:13PM on 06/09/2010

I couldn't agree more

The first time I saw Scarface years ago I thought it was a decent enough but forgettable movie. Watching it again a few years ago after the big re release I realized that this movie might the most overrated movie ever. It doesn't hold up to multiple viewings and looks like a bad Miami Vice episode from the bad guy's point of view. There are scores of better gangstar movies and while I don't think gangstas look at this as a cautionary tale, they are more fixated by the mountain of coke,
The first time I saw Scarface years ago I thought it was a decent enough but forgettable movie. Watching it again a few years ago after the big re release I realized that this movie might the most overrated movie ever. It doesn't hold up to multiple viewings and looks like a bad Miami Vice episode from the bad guy's point of view. There are scores of better gangstar movies and while I don't think gangstas look at this as a cautionary tale, they are more fixated by the mountain of coke, going out in a blaze of glory, and the "The World is Yours" message at the end of the film. It was a gangsta rap video before gangsta rap existed. Written by 2 old white men who just heaped bad stereotype on bad stereotype no less. Master P made a fortune off of direct to dvd videos with the same message.
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11:32AM on 06/09/2010

I've been saying this for years....

I've always love to ask thugs and "gansters" why they like this movie because their reasons are always silly.

Scarface is like Bobba Fett. Both are looked at from the masses as being cool and tough but in the end they both go out like little bitches.
I've always love to ask thugs and "gansters" why they like this movie because their reasons are always silly.

Scarface is like Bobba Fett. Both are looked at from the masses as being cool and tough but in the end they both go out like little bitches.
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12:20PM on 06/09/2010
Says it all for me. Major props, sir.
Says it all for me. Major props, sir.
12:30PM on 06/09/2010
Well said.
Well said.
3:31PM on 06/09/2010
Well Fett escaped, so he didnt go out
Well Fett escaped, so he didnt go out
6:02PM on 06/09/2010
Yeah Dengar saved him after he crawled out of the saarlac pit. But thats just what I heard, I dont read Star Wars books or anything cos I'm cool like that. ;)
Yeah Dengar saved him after he crawled out of the saarlac pit. But thats just what I heard, I dont read Star Wars books or anything cos I'm cool like that. ;)
11:15AM on 06/09/2010
I was really into gangster movies in high school, and even bought two framed Scarface posters which are currently hidden under my bed in shame. True story. I think Scarface is a good movie but it's ruined by being so damn overrated and idolized by thugs, and it doesn't hold up nearly as well as The Godfather or Goodfellas, which are vastly superior movies.
I was really into gangster movies in high school, and even bought two framed Scarface posters which are currently hidden under my bed in shame. True story. I think Scarface is a good movie but it's ruined by being so damn overrated and idolized by thugs, and it doesn't hold up nearly as well as The Godfather or Goodfellas, which are vastly superior movies.
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11:06AM on 06/09/2010

I completely agree

**slow-clapping** bravo. I fully support and agree with everything you said in that opinion piece. What an overrated movie if there ever was one. It's simple minded and that is what I enjoy about it. I kind of think Oliver Stone set out to make it as outrageous as possible and is probably just as shocked at how popular it has become amongst "gangstas".
**slow-clapping** bravo. I fully support and agree with everything you said in that opinion piece. What an overrated movie if there ever was one. It's simple minded and that is what I enjoy about it. I kind of think Oliver Stone set out to make it as outrageous as possible and is probably just as shocked at how popular it has become amongst "gangstas".
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1:52PM on 06/09/2010
Ditto. Awesome pic of Olyphant too!
Ditto. Awesome pic of Olyphant too!
11:02AM on 06/09/2010
I've done a lot of research both online and in the local library, to find conclusive evidence that Scarface blows.
I've done a lot of research both online and in the local library, to find conclusive evidence that Scarface blows.
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11:11AM on 06/09/2010
scarface is forever
scarface is forever
10:30AM on 06/09/2010

Interesting...

I like this write-up, for no other reason than it made me think about WHY I like to go around saying "Say hello to my lil' friend!"

Then I realized that the movie does pretty much suck ass, is almost TOO violent to be entertainment, and what I really like about it are just a few snippet scenes.

So kudos for a thought provoking essay!
I like this write-up, for no other reason than it made me think about WHY I like to go around saying "Say hello to my lil' friend!"

Then I realized that the movie does pretty much suck ass, is almost TOO violent to be entertainment, and what I really like about it are just a few snippet scenes.

So kudos for a thought provoking essay!
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10:16AM on 06/09/2010
I have a bloody amazing Scarface poster at home! "Make Way for the Bad Guy!"
I have a bloody amazing Scarface poster at home! "Make Way for the Bad Guy!"
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10:14AM on 06/09/2010

Agree

Scarface is an awful movie imo. I also hate the idolizing this movie gets, from gansta wannabes. This one guy I worked with, actually had a tattoo of Pacino from this POS. If you want to watch GOOD mob stuff, Goodfellas, Casino, The Godfather, and of course, the Sopranos. Scarface is shit.
Scarface is an awful movie imo. I also hate the idolizing this movie gets, from gansta wannabes. This one guy I worked with, actually had a tattoo of Pacino from this POS. If you want to watch GOOD mob stuff, Goodfellas, Casino, The Godfather, and of course, the Sopranos. Scarface is shit.
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10:09AM on 06/09/2010

Agree completely

Great article! Me and my friends talk about the over hype and obsession that is Scarface often, and it's good to see we're not the only ones out there sick of Scarface posters and XXXL Scarface T-shirts.
Great article! Me and my friends talk about the over hype and obsession that is Scarface often, and it's good to see we're not the only ones out there sick of Scarface posters and XXXL Scarface T-shirts.
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10:02AM on 06/09/2010
Nicely written article.
Nicely written article.
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10:00AM on 06/09/2010

Great new Column

I dread the day that a movie I love ends up on this column, but I completely agree with you on Scarface. I actually had this talk last night with my friend. So it feels good to know that we're not alone. I also agree with what the others in the column are saying. I think people like it because they're told too, and/or they really idolize villains. Montana has no redeeming qualities. Just because he didn't want kids to blow up doesn't mean he didn't want them to snort blow. He's a true villain
I dread the day that a movie I love ends up on this column, but I completely agree with you on Scarface. I actually had this talk last night with my friend. So it feels good to know that we're not alone. I also agree with what the others in the column are saying. I think people like it because they're told too, and/or they really idolize villains. Montana has no redeeming qualities. Just because he didn't want kids to blow up doesn't mean he didn't want them to snort blow. He's a true villain with no redeeming qualities and the movie fails to tell a cautionary story.

I also entirely agree with the extra tidbit. These are the kinds of people Bickle would hate. But then again, Bickle is the kind of guy Bickle would hate. I also don't like a lot of the fan base around Taxi Driver. I think a lot of people miss the point with that movie too.
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12:32PM on 06/09/2010
thanks for the reply my friend. You're totally right about Taxi Driver. A lot of people see the sweet posters of him with his gun brace and his mohawk and think "Badass". Travis hated himself too though and never would have consider himself poster quality.
thanks for the reply my friend. You're totally right about Taxi Driver. A lot of people see the sweet posters of him with his gun brace and his mohawk and think "Badass". Travis hated himself too though and never would have consider himself poster quality.
9:47AM on 06/09/2010

I still love it

When I was younger I went through my Scarface phase, but I eventually outgrew it and discovered things like "Buffy." I still watch it, love it, but not base my whole life around it. If someone does that however, thats cool. Everyone has their own piece of pop culture that they love and adore to death, and I see nothing wrong with that.
When I was younger I went through my Scarface phase, but I eventually outgrew it and discovered things like "Buffy." I still watch it, love it, but not base my whole life around it. If someone does that however, thats cool. Everyone has their own piece of pop culture that they love and adore to death, and I see nothing wrong with that.
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9:36AM on 06/09/2010
Cool new column, I dig it. As for Scarface, I never understood why people like it so much. I think it's a classic case of "well, everyone ELSE likes it, so I guess I have to also." Humans are cool like that. The Sheeple gotta have pastures and shepherds.
Cool new column, I dig it. As for Scarface, I never understood why people like it so much. I think it's a classic case of "well, everyone ELSE likes it, so I guess I have to also." Humans are cool like that. The Sheeple gotta have pastures and shepherds.
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9:31AM on 06/09/2010

HYPE

This movie is so overrated. Everybody wants to be seen as big bad and ugly. Everybody who loves this movie wants to be suuuuuch a gangster. Overplayed and cheesy.
This movie is so overrated. Everybody wants to be seen as big bad and ugly. Everybody who loves this movie wants to be suuuuuch a gangster. Overplayed and cheesy.
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9:27AM on 06/09/2010

cribs

It's the whole cribs thing that gets me the most. "This is the kitchen where I get my 'cook' on" (What the feck does that even mean really?) and then their huge cinema system dedicated to Scarface. Very weird.
It's the whole cribs thing that gets me the most. "This is the kitchen where I get my 'cook' on" (What the feck does that even mean really?) and then their huge cinema system dedicated to Scarface. Very weird.
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5:05PM on 06/09/2010
and 'feck' means... what?
and 'feck' means... what?
9:23AM on 06/09/2010
The suits Tony wears get progressively darker throughout the movie until he's wearing a black suit at the end to show his soul has been completely ruined. Also, all the flashness, cheesy dialogue goes along with the 80s materialism and the height of capitalism. You could see it as a cautionary tale for capitalism going out of control and the eventual destruction that will result, just look at the economy of today after years of rampant indulgent spending.

I don't think Tony is without a
The suits Tony wears get progressively darker throughout the movie until he's wearing a black suit at the end to show his soul has been completely ruined. Also, all the flashness, cheesy dialogue goes along with the 80s materialism and the height of capitalism. You could see it as a cautionary tale for capitalism going out of control and the eventual destruction that will result, just look at the economy of today after years of rampant indulgent spending.

I don't think Tony is without a moral compass either. I mean his downfall is ultimately due to him refusing to blow up the car because there are children in the back. His marriage to Elvira fails because she can't bear him children. He's a family man, family is everything to him, just like Vito Corleone.

This is just my opinion, so I disagree with you.
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12:37PM on 06/09/2010
I'm sure that is why Ludacris is a fan of the movie. In all seriousness though, The movie might be perceived better if it wasn't killed so badly by people who idolize Tony. I can definitely agree with you though. I want to like it but whenever I see a ghetto person wearing a Scarface t-shirt I dislike it a little bit more.
I'm sure that is why Ludacris is a fan of the movie. In all seriousness though, The movie might be perceived better if it wasn't killed so badly by people who idolize Tony. I can definitely agree with you though. I want to like it but whenever I see a ghetto person wearing a Scarface t-shirt I dislike it a little bit more.
9:20AM on 06/09/2010

Hahaha Kudos

I agree almost completely. Well said...
I agree almost completely. Well said...
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9:04AM on 06/09/2010
I will definitely say I don't like Scarface because I idolize Tony Montana. I've always viewed it as a cautionary tale about being the villain. It's just one of those films that with all the random elements never should click for me, but it does every time. I will admit that I like Carlito's Way more, but not by much.
I will definitely say I don't like Scarface because I idolize Tony Montana. I've always viewed it as a cautionary tale about being the villain. It's just one of those films that with all the random elements never should click for me, but it does every time. I will admit that I like Carlito's Way more, but not by much.
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