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The UnPopular Opinion: Spider-man 3

05.18.2017

THE UNPOPULAR OPINION is an ongoing column featuring different takes on films that either the writer HATED, but that the majority of film fans LOVED, or that the writer LOVED, but that most others LOATHED. We're hoping this column will promote constructive and geek fueled discussion. Enjoy!

****SOME SPOILERS ENSUE****

There are lots of movies that have become eternal jokes thanks to the Internet. Thanks to the proliferation of memes and the availability of films on streaming and HD formats, movies like SPIDER-MAN 3 are picked apart down to the frame and turned into jokes of themselves. It used to be, in the old days, that it took the Zucker Brothers or Weird Al Yankovic to bring a spoof or parody into the mainstream. Now, films can become a joke thanks to a carefully taked screenshot or a looped clip. But, this also reduces a major production into something it was never meant to be. While an informed review of a film by any viewer is the only judgement a movie should be based on, many skip watching films (or rewatching them) and collective memory replaces what a movie is actually worth to the sum of it's online presence. With SPIDER-MAN 3, Sam Raimi's acclaimed adaptation of the Marvel Comics superhero finished the franchise with a whimper rather than setting up the fourth film that everone was expecting to come next. But, if you revisit SPIDER-MAN 3, it is far from the abomination the Internet has labeled it over the last decade. In fact, SPIDER-MAN 3 is a damn enjoyable superhero blockbuster.

The stories have become myth in the years since SPIDER-MAN 3 was released. Many have heard that Sam Raimi did not want to include Venom in the third chapter of his Spider-man series but the executives at Sony insisted. Legend has it that Raimi decided to make Venom an awful antagonist and essentially doom the character. It would be career suicide if this is what Raimi had actually done and many point to his spotty career since 2007 as proof that Hollywood turned their backs on him for tanking SPIDER-MAN 3. While I have my own issues with thie film, they are minor quibbles. SPIDER-MAN 3 does not sully the legacy of the original franchise and is in fact a very competent entry. There are a lot of fun aspects of this film that keep it going at a breakneck pace. Sure, there are a lot of characters, but SPIDER-MAN 3 never succumbs to the pressure that other overloaded superhero sequels have faced. In fact, SPIDER-MAN 3 ranks better than many Marvel Cinematic Universe entries and most of the X-MEN sequels. I would even go as far as to say that it is better than the original SPIDER-MAN.

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What hurts SPIDER-MAN 3 is that there is enough material here to have warranted splitting it into two separate films. But, both Eddie Brock/Venom and Flint Marko/Sandman are worthy adversaries to Peter Parker and both have solid arcs through this film. The true crux of SPIDER-MAN 3, though, is the culmination of the relationship between Peter and Harry Osborn. Superhero films have long suffered by killing major villains in each film but Raimi's trilogy carried the threat of Peter and Harry's friendship falling apart into one of the most resonant storylines in any franchise. I would compare it to the duality of Professor X and Magneto in the X-MEN series but here the Harry/Peter story gets a satisfying conclusion. For most of this film, Peter and Harry deal with what it means to be a hero or a villain and eventually accept their true natures. James Franco does stellar work here and channels the darkness laid out in Willem Dafoe's performance in the original film while making the role his own. Harry vacillates between friend to smarmy bad guy and back countless times, each transition punctuated by Peter's transformation.

One of the biggest jokes to come out of SPIDER-MAN 3 was "Emo Spider-man". When Peter accepts the symbiote and allows it to take control, his darker self comes to the surface. His hair sweeps into a trendy style, he dances, speaks his mind, and is mainly unbearable to be around. Viewers found Tobey Maguire's performance unbearable as well but they are missing the underlying and intentional nature of these performance choices. Peter Parker is a nerd. Despite being an amazing superhero, he is still the geeky science genius who cannot relate to his peers. Spider-man has always echoed this characteristic but has evolved into a studly and cool character in many interpretations of the role. Sam Raimi and Tobey Maguire have never pulled away from that characteristic of Peter and in SPIDER-MAN 3, his transformation is into what a geek or nerd like Peter Parker would think is how a cool person would act. The result is an unbearable douche. Take a look at the scene of Peter walking down the street while dancing and shooting finger guns. From his vantage, the women are all infatuated, but when the camera turns, we see their faces are disgusted. This is a brilliant decision on the part of Raimi and the creative minds behind the film.

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SPIDER-MAN 3 is a contemporary update of the story arc from SUPERMAN III. Like that film, Peter Parker is forced to face his darker nature. Here, that evil duality is personified by Eddie Brock. Topher Grace, who is physically similar to Tobey Maguire, is less the brash jock character from Marvel Comics and serves more as a mirror version of Peter Parker. Venom here is that darker Spider-man who gives into the whispering and carnal nature of the Symbiote. While their final showdown is pretty entertaining, Raimi decided to kill off Venom rather than allow him to return for future films. SPIDER-MAN 3 kills off a lot of characters in service of the bigger picture and served to streamline elements of the story which could have partially rebooted the narrative for SPIDER-MAN 4. Alas, we will never get to see how that would have turned out. The film also reduced Gwen Stacy from an important element of Peter Parker's life to a subplot that never generates much steam despite Bryce Dallas Howard being well cast for the role. Gwen's appearance feels like more studio tinkering and would have worked much better if given more room in the plot.

Sam Raimi's franchise has always been about Peter and Mary Jane. The Marc Webb AMAZING SPIDER-MAN was all about Peter and Gwen which is why the inclusion of Mary Jane never would have worked in the second film of that series. SPIDER-MAN 3 also represented a very different type of comic book movie that was doomed with the rise of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. As we have seen in the trailers and clips for SPIDER-MAN: HOMECOMING, villains like The Vulture are rooted in a more functional reality. As much as I am looking forward to that film and how Jon Watts will bring Peter into the MCU, Sam Raimi's candy-colored trilogy feels like a living comic book rather than just an interpretation of the character. SPIDER-MAN 3 is packed with dialogue, action, and excitement that feels ripped directly from the pages of classic Marvel Comics.

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SPIDER-MAN 3 is escapism, pure and simple. Despite two love interests, three villains, and a two hour plus running time, SPIDER-MAN 3 never slows down and never misses a chance to fill the screen with action and top notch special effects. Every film will have complaints from fans who feel the story strays too far from the source material or retcons elements (like Flint Marko's involvement with the death of Uncle Ben), but that is the nature of movies. What ultimately has doomed SPIDER-MAN 3 in the eyes of fans is the nature of the Internet itself. Forget the memes which have already turned the film into a joke in the eyes of many viewers but the fan backlash against the movie as being inferior compared to SPIDER-MAN 2 have doomed it to be considered a failure. Few films could have followed SPIDER-MAN 2, often considered one of the best comic book movies of all time, and SPIDER-MAN 3 gave a valiant effort by throwing everything it could at audiences. Consider it a disaster if you like, but I think giving the film another shot will surprise you with how much fun it actually is. Taken on it's own merits, this film is a fun and enjoyable movie experience.

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10:58PM on 05/23/2017
First of all, Sam Raimi wanted Sandman and the Vulture for Spider-Man 3. The studio wanted Raimi to substitute in Venom so the symbiote suit got shoe horned in. Raimi said "How about I have Sandman and the Vulture in this movie and we save Venom for Spider-Man 4?" and Sony said "No, fans want to see Venom. You need to put Venom in this movie."

I can see both points of view. Sony wanted the Spider-Man movies to be self contained. A viewer shouldn't have to see Spider-Man 3 to understand
First of all, Sam Raimi wanted Sandman and the Vulture for Spider-Man 3. The studio wanted Raimi to substitute in Venom so the symbiote suit got shoe horned in. Raimi said "How about I have Sandman and the Vulture in this movie and we save Venom for Spider-Man 4?" and Sony said "No, fans want to see Venom. You need to put Venom in this movie."

I can see both points of view. Sony wanted the Spider-Man movies to be self contained. A viewer shouldn't have to see Spider-Man 3 to understand Spider-Man 4. But Sam Raimi's pitch for Spider-Man 4 sounded pretty good: Dr Conners would become the Lizard and Eddie Brock would become Venom and Spider-Man would have to deal with both of them. But Sony didn't understand Raimi's preference for villains like the Vulture and the Lizard.

After Spider-Man 3 came out, Raimi started working on Spider-Man 4. He was going to have the villain be the Vulture and Felicia Hardy was going to be his daughter. But the script wasn't coming together. Raimi asked Sony for more time. They said "No" and Raimi quit the franchise. He had had enough.
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8:44AM on 05/19/2017
You want an unpopular opinion? I think that after The Crow, The Amazing Spider-man 2 is tied for second best comic book movie along with the Dark Knight.
You want an unpopular opinion? I think that after The Crow, The Amazing Spider-man 2 is tied for second best comic book movie along with the Dark Knight.
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5:56AM on 05/19/2017
7/10
7/10
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1:58AM on 05/19/2017

Is Venom is Good

Agreed. This is a good movie. And it is head and shoulders above any Spiderman movie after it. And still more interesting than all the over bloated Avengers and X-men entries in recent times.
Agreed. This is a good movie. And it is head and shoulders above any Spiderman movie after it. And still more interesting than all the over bloated Avengers and X-men entries in recent times.
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6:33PM on 05/18/2017
I think this is probably the most underrated comic movie. Yes, it has a few problems and isn't as good as the first 2 films, but there is also a lot to like about the film. Those scenes with the birth of the Sandman and Eddie first becoming Venom are really fantastically done, more impressive than anything in most of the current comic book films.
I think this is probably the most underrated comic movie. Yes, it has a few problems and isn't as good as the first 2 films, but there is also a lot to like about the film. Those scenes with the birth of the Sandman and Eddie first becoming Venom are really fantastically done, more impressive than anything in most of the current comic book films.
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4:47PM on 05/18/2017
So far i've only read praise for the effects & performances nothing about the plot, its coherence, or holes. Escapism is cool but substance and context is also important.

A wiseman once said something like: "You can put lipstick on a pig, but its still a pig"
So far i've only read praise for the effects & performances nothing about the plot, its coherence, or holes. Escapism is cool but substance and context is also important.

A wiseman once said something like: "You can put lipstick on a pig, but its still a pig"
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1:28PM on 05/18/2017

Movie was easily split between two visions, Raimi vs the Studio and suffered

If only the studio allowed Raimi to focus on Sandman, not do the Goblin crap or the Venom garbage it would have been a tight film. But no, they had to throw in a million bad guys so they could sell toys.
If only the studio allowed Raimi to focus on Sandman, not do the Goblin crap or the Venom garbage it would have been a tight film. But no, they had to throw in a million bad guys so they could sell toys.
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1:43PM on 05/18/2017
I have to agree. There was just too much. They could have had Spidey just wearing the black suit through the whole movie though, and then had Venom come out in the last 5 minutes of the movie, setting up for a Spiderman 4 Vemon movie.
I have to agree. There was just too much. They could have had Spidey just wearing the black suit through the whole movie though, and then had Venom come out in the last 5 minutes of the movie, setting up for a Spiderman 4 Vemon movie.
1:24PM on 05/18/2017
The movie suffered from a lot of issues, one being that Raimi did not want Venom YET but was forced to add him. Personally, they should have shown the symbiote fall on Brock showing him getting covered then the post credits should have gone back to Brock on the ground becoming Venom...and make Venom not look stupid
The movie suffered from a lot of issues, one being that Raimi did not want Venom YET but was forced to add him. Personally, they should have shown the symbiote fall on Brock showing him getting covered then the post credits should have gone back to Brock on the ground becoming Venom...and make Venom not look stupid
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12:10PM on 05/18/2017
Obviously not as great as the first two Spider Man films that came before it, but none the less just as entertaining. Considering the huge expectations after Spider Man 2 and the introduction of Venom, this storyline should have carried over into two films. I don't blame Raimi at all for the criticisms; I blame the studio for meddling and getting in his way, which is absurd considering how great Spider Man 1 and 2 are.
Obviously not as great as the first two Spider Man films that came before it, but none the less just as entertaining. Considering the huge expectations after Spider Man 2 and the introduction of Venom, this storyline should have carried over into two films. I don't blame Raimi at all for the criticisms; I blame the studio for meddling and getting in his way, which is absurd considering how great Spider Man 1 and 2 are.
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11:54AM on 05/18/2017
"Viewers found Tobey Maguire's performance unbearable as well but they are missing the underlying and intentional nature of these performance choices."

Ah yes, the tried and true argument: "If you don't agree with my personal opinion of the movie, then you just didn't GET it, man." Classic.

For the record, one can intellectually understand the intention behind the "emo Peter" scenes and still find them cringeworthy af.
"Viewers found Tobey Maguire's performance unbearable as well but they are missing the underlying and intentional nature of these performance choices."

Ah yes, the tried and true argument: "If you don't agree with my personal opinion of the movie, then you just didn't GET it, man." Classic.

For the record, one can intellectually understand the intention behind the "emo Peter" scenes and still find them cringeworthy af.
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1:46PM on 05/18/2017
I have to agree. The emo Peter sequences are embarrassing, even after all of the explanations for it are understood.
I have to agree. The emo Peter sequences are embarrassing, even after all of the explanations for it are understood.
11:43AM on 05/18/2017

No.

Nope. It was bad then and only gets worse over time. Just like all of Raimi's trilogy.
All 3 are horribly cringey, forced, dated goofs of films.
Nope. It was bad then and only gets worse over time. Just like all of Raimi's trilogy.
All 3 are horribly cringey, forced, dated goofs of films.
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11:26AM on 05/18/2017

Here! Here!

I genuinely concur with this assessment. Especially the justification for Emo Peter. This blurb is exactly how I felt about it:

"The result is an unbearable douche. Take a look at the scene of Peter walking down the street while dancing and shooting finger guns. From his vantage, the women are all infatuated, but when the camera turns, we see their faces are disgusted. This is a brilliant decision on the part of Raimi and the creative minds behind the film."

Getting the symbionts doesn't
I genuinely concur with this assessment. Especially the justification for Emo Peter. This blurb is exactly how I felt about it:

"The result is an unbearable douche. Take a look at the scene of Peter walking down the street while dancing and shooting finger guns. From his vantage, the women are all infatuated, but when the camera turns, we see their faces are disgusted. This is a brilliant decision on the part of Raimi and the creative minds behind the film."

Getting the symbionts doesn't make one an actual cool guy, it just gave him confidence and there may be nothing more obnoxious in this world than a confident nerd.
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11:18AM on 05/18/2017
Apart from Evil Peter with his Jazz Dance, Spider-Man 3 is not as bad as people think. It's pure popcorn fun. I like it actually. However, like Batman & Robin, this movie suffers from too many characters and subplots. There's no need for Gwen Stacy to be in this movie.
Apart from Evil Peter with his Jazz Dance, Spider-Man 3 is not as bad as people think. It's pure popcorn fun. I like it actually. However, like Batman & Robin, this movie suffers from too many characters and subplots. There's no need for Gwen Stacy to be in this movie.
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11:27AM on 05/18/2017
Dude, too many characters is not why Batman & Robin suffered. It was EVERYTHING about it.
Dude, too many characters is not why Batman & Robin suffered. It was EVERYTHING about it.
11:49AM on 05/18/2017
Lol, that is true.
Lol, that is true.
3:43PM on 05/18/2017
I give your reply a thumbs up. ;-)
I give your reply a thumbs up. ;-)
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