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THE UNPOPULAR OPINION is an ongoing column featuring different takes on films that either the writer HATED, but that the majority of film fans LOVED, or that the writer LOVED, but that most others LOATHED. We're hoping this column will promote constructive and geek fueled discussion. Enjoy!

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When Ang Lee's HULK hit theaters, I was first in line to see it. I was anticipating how such a high profile director would tackle a comic book movie. The results turned off a lot of fans who were clamoring for something closer to the comic books and not a literal comic book. While I did enjoy Ang Lee's film, I was not sold on Louis Leterrier taking the reins for THE INCREDIBLE HULK. The studio wanted something more marketable and less abstract than Lee's film and what they got was instead a cookie cutter attempt to tell the tale of Bruce Banner that fails on every front. This is what happens when you hire a great actor but skimp on the director.

THE INCREDIBLE HULK is a tricky character to begin with. His story works best when he spends time in his monster form which makes it hard to justify spending the money on an actor who will barely be seen on screen. Eric Bana was a wise choice because no one knew him well enough as an actor to bat an eyelash. He also displayed the requisite emotional range to play Banner. That movie also benefited from Jennifer Connelly as Betsy Ross. The entire cast of THE INCREDIBLE HULK is a step down from the first movie. Whether it be Connelly to Liv Tyler or Sam Elliott to William Hurt, each new cast member feels like a carbon copy of the HULK. Ed Norton is by far the superior actor to Bana, but I just didn't buy him as Banner or The Hulk.

I am Jack's epic rage face.

To portray the Hulk character, you first need to portray Bruce Banner. The two have to be sides of the same person and you need to be able to follow emotion from one to the other. We can blame special effects technology for not satisfactorily translating Eric Bana's performance but for THE INCREDIBLE HULK, I blame Norton. The actor had a hand in scripting this movie so you would think that he would have had some idea at the depth of the torment for what it means to be transformed into a beast as soon as your blood pressure rises. Instead, THE INCREDIBLE HULK plays like an extended episode of the old Bill Bixby/Lou Ferrigno series where uttering the words "don't make me angry" is the most subtext you need.

In fact, the best character in both this film and HULK is the villain. At least that is until they turn into their supervillain selves. I thought Nick Nolte's crazed father was the perfect way to personify what Bruce Banner never wanted to become. But, when he became the Absorbing Man/Zzzax monster, the movie went off the rails. In THE INCREDIBLE HULK, Letterier has the awesome change to use The Abomination as his antagonist. Tim Roth plays an awesome bad guy and he starts out perfectly as Emil Blonksy, the guerrilla brought in to track and take down Banner. You can see the evil in his eyes once he realizes he can harness the abilities of the gamma radiation to make himself unstoppable. Once that transformation happens, the film goes to shit.

Looking perturbed in all the wrong places.

THE INCREDIBLE HULK has a remarkable lack of Hulk scenes and when we finally get to see him in full action for the battle with Abomination, it feels like we are watching a cut scene from a video game. Gone is any sense of danger or realism as these two fully CGI creations bash the crap out of each other. Sure, the scene is well choreographed and we even get to see Hulk bust out his thunderclap move, but it still feels like nothing more than what we get on a PS3 or Xbox. The best part of THE AVENGERS was seeing Hulk in action and it felt real. The green guy felt real, the setting felt real, and the danger felt real. Chalk that up to Joss Whedon and Mark Ruffalo as they finally conceived a take on the Hulk that works. THE INCREDIBLE HULK is often considered a step up from Ang Lee's first film but I think it is a giant step down.

Leterrier's direction, apart from the end of the film, is absolutely nothing special. Now, I don't need crazy angles and complicated shots to make me take notice of the direction, but I do want to feel that there is more than a body sitting there to take the credit for helming the movie. Leterrier has done some interesting work in THE TRANSPORTER, UNLEASHED, and even NOW YOU SEE ME, but THE INCREDIBLE HULK just feels blah all the way through. Hell, even his work on CLASH OF THE TITANS looks Oscar-worthy compared to THE INCREDIBLE HULK.

The graphics in this game are amazing!

A lot has been made regarding the studio interference with Louis Leterrier and Edward Norton, some citing that a different cut of the film was intended than what we got. Over seventy minutes of footage was cut featuring flashbacks and origin scenes that eventually became the opening montage of THE INCREDIBLE HULK. Norton even chose to do charity work conveniently at the same time as the promotional tour for the movie was taking place. When filmmakers and executives argue over a movie like this it never bodes well for the final product and the proof is what we have on screen. In his limited screen-time in THE AVENGERS, Whedon and Ruffalo are successfully able to convey the trauma and pain of what Bruce Banner has to live through to keep the Hulk in check. You never truly get that sense from THE INCREDIBLE HULK.

Maybe Hulk is not meant to have his own movie. He is a great supporting character, as THE AVENGERS proved, and until the studio is willing to give us a PLANET HULK or WORLD WAR HULK movie, they will always be struggling to find a way to balance the Banner and Hulk personas on the big screen. Ang Lee's film was an experiment with the idea of what a comic book is while Leterrier's is simply a glossy, superficial take on what a cool Hulk fight scene would look like with 90 minutes of filler. I cannot say that Mark Ruffalo could carry a Hulk movie on his own, but it sure as hell has to be better than THE INCREDIBLE HULK.

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8:03AM on 10/09/2013
I thought THE INCREDIBLE HULK was a major step-up from Ang Lee's HULK to be honest.
I thought THE INCREDIBLE HULK was a major step-up from Ang Lee's HULK to be honest.
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1:37PM on 10/09/2013
a step up for boring washed up cliches and dumbness in general...a step down for character development and actual required thought. A fun movie none the less
a step up for boring washed up cliches and dumbness in general...a step down for character development and actual required thought. A fun movie none the less
8:06AM on 10/09/2013
It IS a major step-up to Ang Lee's Hulk like ElderPredator said. While Ang Lee's Hulk is mainly a philosophical take on Hulk between Hulk and Bruce Banner and his dad's rage, The Incredible Hulk is The Hulk movie that I want - man on the run and mainly Hulk smashes.
It IS a major step-up to Ang Lee's Hulk like ElderPredator said. While Ang Lee's Hulk is mainly a philosophical take on Hulk between Hulk and Bruce Banner and his dad's rage, The Incredible Hulk is The Hulk movie that I want - man on the run and mainly Hulk smashes.
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8:09AM on 10/09/2013

THE INCREDIBLE HULK..

..was Awesome. You need to get off that Crack.
..was Awesome. You need to get off that Crack.
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8:10AM on 10/09/2013
I did enjoy The Incredible Hulk more than I thought I would. Norton was ok as Bruce and Tim Roth nailed it as the villan, he was pure evil.
I think there is a place for a solo Hulk movie given the right story. The Incredible Hulk : Regression might be a good one to look for.
Good read. I love this column.
I did enjoy The Incredible Hulk more than I thought I would. Norton was ok as Bruce and Tim Roth nailed it as the villan, he was pure evil.
I think there is a place for a solo Hulk movie given the right story. The Incredible Hulk : Regression might be a good one to look for.
Good read. I love this column.
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8:45AM on 10/09/2013

Yeah, No

The Incredible Hulk was excellent in my opinion. I thought Ruffalo did good, but I'm still a little upset that they had to recast again. I loved the tone, the action, and the portrayal of Banner, whether it was perfect or not.
The Incredible Hulk was excellent in my opinion. I thought Ruffalo did good, but I'm still a little upset that they had to recast again. I loved the tone, the action, and the portrayal of Banner, whether it was perfect or not.
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8:54AM on 10/09/2013
This is one of the first articles you've written I've agreed with. There is really nothing going on with this film. It's just bland. But I also find Ang Lee's film to be somewhat of a flawed masterpiece and closer to the comics than many people think.
This is one of the first articles you've written I've agreed with. There is really nothing going on with this film. It's just bland. But I also find Ang Lee's film to be somewhat of a flawed masterpiece and closer to the comics than many people think.
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9:04AM on 10/09/2013
The Incredible Hulk is a great film. Ruffalo is the best Bruce Banner/Hulk, but the film is still a great film representing the character and is much more entertaining than Ang Lee's Hulk (even though I enjoy that film too). Norton did a terrific job as Banner and Roth made for the perfect villain. And the scene with Stark at the end was a great way to build up the whole Avenger storyline.

Would love to have seen a sequel with Norton, but hopefully we can get an Incredible Hulk 2 with
The Incredible Hulk is a great film. Ruffalo is the best Bruce Banner/Hulk, but the film is still a great film representing the character and is much more entertaining than Ang Lee's Hulk (even though I enjoy that film too). Norton did a terrific job as Banner and Roth made for the perfect villain. And the scene with Stark at the end was a great way to build up the whole Avenger storyline.

Would love to have seen a sequel with Norton, but hopefully we can get an Incredible Hulk 2 with Ruffalo and with the Leader as foreshadowed in the original Incredible Hulk as the villain this time.
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9:27AM on 10/09/2013
Ang Lee's Hulk was great up to the point when Hulk/Banner is recaptured by the military - brilliant scene, may I add. Had the movie ended there...I would have really enjoyed it...but nope...that shocker of a last half hour had to be endured...absolutely terrible. Still, did love the final scene. I can sum up my affection towards The Incredible Hulk by saying I was absolutely gutted when I heard Norton would not be in the Avengers. On first viewing, Incredible Hulk is on par with most of the
Ang Lee's Hulk was great up to the point when Hulk/Banner is recaptured by the military - brilliant scene, may I add. Had the movie ended there...I would have really enjoyed it...but nope...that shocker of a last half hour had to be endured...absolutely terrible. Still, did love the final scene. I can sum up my affection towards The Incredible Hulk by saying I was absolutely gutted when I heard Norton would not be in the Avengers. On first viewing, Incredible Hulk is on par with most of the better comic book movies I've seen (i.e. enjoyable but, in terms of my personal rankings, far behind movies like Terminator 2, Aliens, Robocop etc). However, as I bought this on DVD and benefitted from repeat viewings on the count of my son watching this over and over again...I came to the belief that the Incredible Hulk was definitely the best of phase one movies for me. Not sure how you believe that Norton's Banner didn't show the pain of being alone or the turmoil he was in. Most of the scenes that showed him in such a manner were played to great music...whether it was The Lonely Man...the scene of him making his way back to the US...watching Betty from a distance ...heartbreaking stuff. The Roth / Hulk fight was amazing fun - right out of the comics...and had me in high hopes for the Captain America movie (anyone sseen the Cap / Hulk fight in the Ultimate Avengers animated movie - it was on that level!). The end fight was great...complete with that thunder clap. Great movie with the best soundtrack of the Marvel cinematic universe thus far. On the replacement of Norton, ultimately, it turned out that Ruffalo was a great Banner and proved yet again that Marvel know what they're doing when they cast people to play their iconic characters.
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9:47AM on 10/09/2013
Hulk and Incredible Hulk are two very different movies so it really isn't fair to compare. Hulk was a more psychological thriller featuring Hulk while Incredible was a man on the run featuring Hulk. I enjoyed both for different reasons as well as Ruffalo's Banner and Hulk. The Stark/Banner interaction really helped sell Ruffalo as well. And while I loved The Avengers, it's also mediocre in many ways too, much like both Hulk films before. Thing is, I can still love a film even if it has problems
Hulk and Incredible Hulk are two very different movies so it really isn't fair to compare. Hulk was a more psychological thriller featuring Hulk while Incredible was a man on the run featuring Hulk. I enjoyed both for different reasons as well as Ruffalo's Banner and Hulk. The Stark/Banner interaction really helped sell Ruffalo as well. And while I loved The Avengers, it's also mediocre in many ways too, much like both Hulk films before. Thing is, I can still love a film even if it has problems or really isn't anything special. For me it is the moments and if a movie has enough memorable moments, i can fast forward the rest :)
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10:18AM on 10/09/2013

Sorry

The Incredible Hulk is probably hands down one of the best Marvel installments that have been released! The cast was amazing, the character was done really well (and i'm not even a hulk fan), and the entertainment never stops. If you didn't enjoy this film, I highly doubt you would enjoy any other Hulk film.

P.S. the Hulk also looked the best in this film too
The Incredible Hulk is probably hands down one of the best Marvel installments that have been released! The cast was amazing, the character was done really well (and i'm not even a hulk fan), and the entertainment never stops. If you didn't enjoy this film, I highly doubt you would enjoy any other Hulk film.

P.S. the Hulk also looked the best in this film too
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10:41AM on 10/09/2013

Nope.

The Incredible Hulk was awesome and my favorite Phase 1 film, right next to Captain America. Granted, the CGI has aged and Ruffalo's Hulk looks visually superior, but as far as character and all-out rage goes, Norton's big green ass-kicking machine takes the cake. When Black Widow is afraid of "the other guy" in The Avengers, my mind immediately pictures this version of The Hulk. A genuinely frightening, powerful, demigod-like mass of destruction.
The Incredible Hulk was awesome and my favorite Phase 1 film, right next to Captain America. Granted, the CGI has aged and Ruffalo's Hulk looks visually superior, but as far as character and all-out rage goes, Norton's big green ass-kicking machine takes the cake. When Black Widow is afraid of "the other guy" in The Avengers, my mind immediately pictures this version of The Hulk. A genuinely frightening, powerful, demigod-like mass of destruction.
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10:47AM on 10/09/2013
This was a decent film. I don't think it's the best of Phase 1 by far, but it had the job of being the second official Marvel Universe film, following barely two months after Iron Man, and I think it got the job done. Sure, Letterier is very much a conventional action director and some elements, such as Liv Tyler as Betty Ross, didn't work particularly well - but it was a more action-driven, straightforward take on the character that delivered the goods in terms of stuff getting smashed. Tim
This was a decent film. I don't think it's the best of Phase 1 by far, but it had the job of being the second official Marvel Universe film, following barely two months after Iron Man, and I think it got the job done. Sure, Letterier is very much a conventional action director and some elements, such as Liv Tyler as Betty Ross, didn't work particularly well - but it was a more action-driven, straightforward take on the character that delivered the goods in terms of stuff getting smashed. Tim Roth chewed the scenery with gusto, Edward Norton had a great intensity and desperation fitting of Banner, and the action sequence set on the university grounds was awesome.
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11:25AM on 10/09/2013

the climax of Incredible Hulk

is STILL the best climax, or any action scene, of any Marvel Studios movie to date -- including The Avengers (which was impressive visually, but brought down due to a lack of tangible drama thanks to the movie being pumped up with way too much comedy, and also for featuring very generic, uninteresting, lazy villains in the Chitauri, and for being unoriginal in its choreography and events). TIC's finale is so badass and thrilling, one of the best action scenes ever.
is STILL the best climax, or any action scene, of any Marvel Studios movie to date -- including The Avengers (which was impressive visually, but brought down due to a lack of tangible drama thanks to the movie being pumped up with way too much comedy, and also for featuring very generic, uninteresting, lazy villains in the Chitauri, and for being unoriginal in its choreography and events). TIC's finale is so badass and thrilling, one of the best action scenes ever.
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8:05AM on 10/11/2013
I think if The Incredible Hulk had been made without The Hulk having been made then it would have been more like The Hulk. I think Marvel cut scenes from The Incredible Hulk to cut down the run time so people with short attention spans wouldn't have fallen asleep. In all fairness, it seems as though that's what should have happened to the Lone Ranger. But here it seems as though the heart and soul was ripped out of the film so fanboys could see 2 hours of non stop mindless action.
I think if The Incredible Hulk had been made without The Hulk having been made then it would have been more like The Hulk. I think Marvel cut scenes from The Incredible Hulk to cut down the run time so people with short attention spans wouldn't have fallen asleep. In all fairness, it seems as though that's what should have happened to the Lone Ranger. But here it seems as though the heart and soul was ripped out of the film so fanboys could see 2 hours of non stop mindless action.
1:55PM on 10/09/2013
@cricker - "that line alone disallows your opinion" uh no, it's an opinion. You can disagree with it, or agree with it, but saying that it doesn't count because you disagree with it? saying that "alone disallows your comment" lol, come on dude.
@cricker - "that line alone disallows your opinion" uh no, it's an opinion. You can disagree with it, or agree with it, but saying that it doesn't count because you disagree with it? saying that "alone disallows your comment" lol, come on dude.
12:55PM on 10/09/2013
I agree completely, it's not one of the best ever, but it was badass, and also with his assessment of the Avengers. I will say this though, had the Incredible Hulk came out first, I might not have liked it as much. But as it came out after the Hulk, adding what that movie didn't have, I enjoyed it a lot. Again, they are both very good movies.
I agree completely, it's not one of the best ever, but it was badass, and also with his assessment of the Avengers. I will say this though, had the Incredible Hulk came out first, I might not have liked it as much. But as it came out after the Hulk, adding what that movie didn't have, I enjoyed it a lot. Again, they are both very good movies.
12:34PM on 10/09/2013
I agree with @Cochise, the climax/action scene was bad ass! I mean, it's what we expect from the Hulk right? It's why we love him and why waited in line to see him???
I agree with @Cochise, the climax/action scene was bad ass! I mean, it's what we expect from the Hulk right? It's why we love him and why waited in line to see him???
12:11PM on 10/09/2013
wait did you actually see this movie? One of teh best action scenes of all time? That line alone disallows your opinion, my good god of all the movies ever made you picked this one as one of the greatest action scenes of all time?
wait did you actually see this movie? One of teh best action scenes of all time? That line alone disallows your opinion, my good god of all the movies ever made you picked this one as one of the greatest action scenes of all time?
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11:50AM on 10/09/2013
Come get me now then.Too bad 'cause I like this movie.
Come get me now then.Too bad 'cause I like this movie.
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12:03PM on 10/09/2013
There's a lot to like but the climax still let me down a tad. Good, not great in my book. I have it tied w Cap as my third favorite Phase 1 flick w/ Iron Man first & Thor second...
There's a lot to like but the climax still let me down a tad. Good, not great in my book. I have it tied w Cap as my third favorite Phase 1 flick w/ Iron Man first & Thor second...
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12:22PM on 10/09/2013
One of the first of these articles that I finally agree with. Ang Lee's Hulk was based off of the more psychological issues of the Hulk comics that were coming out at that time as written by Peter David.

The most idiotic argument I've heard from people about the Hulk in movies is 'he didn't smash enough stuff'. Seriously, if you want to watch something mindlessly pulverizing random scenery, there are quite a few video games out there that will give you that visceral thrill, but it doesn't
One of the first of these articles that I finally agree with. Ang Lee's Hulk was based off of the more psychological issues of the Hulk comics that were coming out at that time as written by Peter David.

The most idiotic argument I've heard from people about the Hulk in movies is 'he didn't smash enough stuff'. Seriously, if you want to watch something mindlessly pulverizing random scenery, there are quite a few video games out there that will give you that visceral thrill, but it doesn't mean that kind of crap will make for a good movie.

My main problem with Norton/LeTerrier's movie (besides with how shitty the final video game fight scene was) was that they implied that ANYONE could become the Hulk just by drinking a few drops of gamma irradiated blood in a soft drink. It was the same problem I had with this current incarnation of Spider-Man, walk into a room full of genetically engineered spiders, get bit, and you too can become Spider-Man. It removes the uniqueness out of the characters.

Removing this uniqueness is like giving everyone a trophy for just showing up to a game, no matter if they played or not. In other words, no one is better than anyone else because we need to keep hurt feelings to a minimum. Therefore, no one strives to do anything better than be average or mediocre. That's not what being a superhero, or superhero movies in general, are supposed to be about.
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2:23PM on 10/09/2013
Dodong27, this is the HULK. He can pretty much out smash anyone and anything. After a few minutes of that it loses its power. Like watching Superman, he can't lose. That is why the psychological aspect is more attractive. When our heroes are too inhuman we cannot connect with them. But the very human emotions are the ONLY way we can connect. Hulk smashing some villain is no big deal. His rage and reasons for doing it are called PLOT and they are what gives us access. We all loved in
Dodong27, this is the HULK. He can pretty much out smash anyone and anything. After a few minutes of that it loses its power. Like watching Superman, he can't lose. That is why the psychological aspect is more attractive. When our heroes are too inhuman we cannot connect with them. But the very human emotions are the ONLY way we can connect. Hulk smashing some villain is no big deal. His rage and reasons for doing it are called PLOT and they are what gives us access. We all loved in the Avengers when Hulk smashed up Loki. That took all of a few seconds. The climax of the movie was really Iron Man's heroics.
12:30PM on 10/09/2013
Would you rather have the climax of the movie of Dr. Phil psychologically dissecting Bruce Banner or the Hulk having an ultimate fight scene with the villain?
Would you rather have the climax of the movie of Dr. Phil psychologically dissecting Bruce Banner or the Hulk having an ultimate fight scene with the villain?
12:25PM on 10/09/2013

Disagree with this Article

The Incredible Hulk is the BEST Marvel installment, right next to Iron Man, without a doubt. Edward Norton did a great job a Banner and Tim Roth was excellent as the villain. The story kept moving with probably a little hiccups here and there, but all in all, the action was fantastic.
The Hulk in the other hand, was a Snooze Fest. Damn, I fell asleep in the theaters when it first came out. Tried watching again on dvd, and I still fell asleep half way through. What a waste!
The Incredible Hulk is the BEST Marvel installment, right next to Iron Man, without a doubt. Edward Norton did a great job a Banner and Tim Roth was excellent as the villain. The story kept moving with probably a little hiccups here and there, but all in all, the action was fantastic.
The Hulk in the other hand, was a Snooze Fest. Damn, I fell asleep in the theaters when it first came out. Tried watching again on dvd, and I still fell asleep half way through. What a waste!
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3:17PM on 10/09/2013
And this is what we call a double post.
And this is what we call a double post.
3:17PM on 10/09/2013
I think Hulk is a very noticeable step down from Iron Man, but I do agree that its near the top of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Its not my personal favorite but unlike some people (I realize a lot of people on here do make the effort to do this, but its also quite clear that many don't even try) I make an effort to separate personal preference from objective quality. Whether a film is "good" has nothing to do with whether I personally like it.
I think Hulk is a very noticeable step down from Iron Man, but I do agree that its near the top of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Its not my personal favorite but unlike some people (I realize a lot of people on here do make the effort to do this, but its also quite clear that many don't even try) I make an effort to separate personal preference from objective quality. Whether a film is "good" has nothing to do with whether I personally like it.
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12:50PM on 10/09/2013

Wow wtf?

I really have serious issues for someone who says that the danger in the Avengers felt real. I know everyone has their own opinion, but I feel like I can logically explain to you why the danger doesn't feel real, at least in the third act.
I like both Hulk movies. And I think they did a good job at making the sequel have what the original lacked - dumber action and more fun. Combined they'd make the perfect movie. I actually think the Incredible Hulk also sets the bar for reboots, and I wish
I really have serious issues for someone who says that the danger in the Avengers felt real. I know everyone has their own opinion, but I feel like I can logically explain to you why the danger doesn't feel real, at least in the third act.
I like both Hulk movies. And I think they did a good job at making the sequel have what the original lacked - dumber action and more fun. Combined they'd make the perfect movie. I actually think the Incredible Hulk also sets the bar for reboots, and I wish Man of Steel (there were similar complaints about superman returns as the first Hulk) and Spider Man would've followed it's structure more. Go over the origin in the credits and get right to it. I also think you are incredibly wrong to say that the hulk is the only interesting part - that Bruce banner is. The hulk is maybe more fun to watch, but without Bruce banners struggle, it's just a King Kong/ Godzilla movie. And to say the Avengers did a better job displaying Bruce's struggle is insane. As I said, I liked both hulk movies a lot, equally. I'll give you that the second one had a lesser quality cast and is more of a stupid fun action movie, but aside from really the first iron man, it's no different than ANY of the other marvel movies. And I'd really say that the Incredible Hulk is the second best of those movies behind the first iron man if you can't include the first Hulk. Again, I really feel like I could almost prove some of the things like no sense of danger in the avengers in an academic paper. If anything, the avengers should be on this column.
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1:13PM on 10/09/2013
I thought the popular opinion was this movie is mediocre and I was in the minority that liked it, guess I was wrong.
I thought the popular opinion was this movie is mediocre and I was in the minority that liked it, guess I was wrong.
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1:19PM on 10/09/2013

HMm

I liked this take on him. It's straight from the tv show, with a cooler Hulk. (Love the tv show btw)
I liked this take on him. It's straight from the tv show, with a cooler Hulk. (Love the tv show btw)
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2:17PM on 10/09/2013
Honestly I really don't quite get why fanboys liked the Incredible Hulk movie better than Ang Lee's Hulk. This movie had a WEAK plot. There was some smash up. Yay. There was an opponent in Abomination that was fine for action stuff. But overall, Ang Lee's film had real story behind it. It had emotion. I just think the fanboys didn't want a story so they embraced this movie. It really isn't that good. I think it is a HUGE step down from Ang Lee's film. I'll take Jennifer Connelly 7
Honestly I really don't quite get why fanboys liked the Incredible Hulk movie better than Ang Lee's Hulk. This movie had a WEAK plot. There was some smash up. Yay. There was an opponent in Abomination that was fine for action stuff. But overall, Ang Lee's film had real story behind it. It had emotion. I just think the fanboys didn't want a story so they embraced this movie. It really isn't that good. I think it is a HUGE step down from Ang Lee's film. I'll take Jennifer Connelly 7 days a week over Liv Tyler. I'll take Sam Eliot 7 days a week over William Hurt. I'll take Nick Nolte over Tim Roth 9 times out of 10. And Eric Bana was a much better, more conflicted and disturbed Bruce Banner than Ed Norton. The script in The Incredible Hulk was crap, it had no depth whatsoever.
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2:26PM on 10/09/2013

Hulk Smash

I liked The Incredible Hulk, but I also believe that the Hulk character cannot carry his own film. He works best as a supporting character.
I liked The Incredible Hulk, but I also believe that the Hulk character cannot carry his own film. He works best as a supporting character.
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3:11PM on 10/09/2013
A truly successful film comes when the director puts themself at the service of the story, the understand the material, they respect it and they want it to succeed because the believe in it. They won't try to turn an apple into an orange, instead they'll make it the best flipping apple in the orchard (although they might try to make it a new variety of apple nobody has seen before). This is what Favreau did with the first Iron Man, what Nolan did with his Batman films and to a certain extent
A truly successful film comes when the director puts themself at the service of the story, the understand the material, they respect it and they want it to succeed because the believe in it. They won't try to turn an apple into an orange, instead they'll make it the best flipping apple in the orchard (although they might try to make it a new variety of apple nobody has seen before). This is what Favreau did with the first Iron Man, what Nolan did with his Batman films and to a certain extent what Singer did with X-Men 1 & 2.

Lee on the other hand (in my opinion) put his own artistic ego above the needs of what would best serve the film. Yes, he had a very good supporting cast to work with, but you take away the good perfomances and there is very little to recommend. The story (which he of course he does not bear most of the blame for) is a mess and unfaithful not just to the source material but to the essence of many of the characters (which is an entirely different discussion in itself) and the different camera and editing tricks he use really feel like gimmicks by a director that's just trying to create what he imagines an artsy comic film would feel like, rather than a necessary piece of a cohesive whole (as say the camera tricks in 2001: A Space Odyssey are).
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7:52AM on 10/11/2013
Lee looked at recent issues of the Hulk written by Peter David and ignored Stan Lee's early stories. He spoke of taking hamburger and serving it as a "gourmet dish". That may have been a mistake in that most people are more familiar with the TV series from the 70s than the comics from the 90s.
Lee looked at recent issues of the Hulk written by Peter David and ignored Stan Lee's early stories. He spoke of taking hamburger and serving it as a "gourmet dish". That may have been a mistake in that most people are more familiar with the TV series from the 70s than the comics from the 90s.
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3:59PM on 10/09/2013
You don't need an overtly artistic film from a character whose catchphrase is "Hulk SMASH"

I wanted to see Hulk SMASH.....I saw Hulk SMASH. What's more I could see every punch without shitty shaky cam, and my intelligence wasn't insulted between the smashing. It wasn't an incredible movie, not one of Marvel's best, but it certainly doesn't insult the canon that they've built and I would really want them to bring back Tyler, Hurt, etc if those characters were to return at any point.
You don't need an overtly artistic film from a character whose catchphrase is "Hulk SMASH"

I wanted to see Hulk SMASH.....I saw Hulk SMASH. What's more I could see every punch without shitty shaky cam, and my intelligence wasn't insulted between the smashing. It wasn't an incredible movie, not one of Marvel's best, but it certainly doesn't insult the canon that they've built and I would really want them to bring back Tyler, Hurt, etc if those characters were to return at any point.
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4:57PM on 10/09/2013
Not gonna lie, I was expecting the unpopular opinion to be in *favor* of the film.
Not gonna lie, I was expecting the unpopular opinion to be in *favor* of the film.
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12:23AM on 10/10/2013
Same here.
Same here.
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7:07PM on 10/09/2013

You cannot be more wrong

This was a solid film - one of the better Marvel movies to date. Great performances and solid action. The only real weak spot was Liv Tyler really.
This was a solid film - one of the better Marvel movies to date. Great performances and solid action. The only real weak spot was Liv Tyler really.
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12:30AM on 10/10/2013
The Incredible Hulk was the second-worst Phase 1 film (coming in just ahead of Iron Man 2). It had a weaker cast than Ang Lee's Hulk:

Eric Bana > Ed Norton
Jennifer Connelly > Liv Tyler
Sam Elliot > William Hurt

Go ahead, try and disagree with any of that. Plus what was the point with setting up the introduction of the Leader? That has yet to pay off (and probably won't). The only thing The Incredible Hulk did that topped its predecessor was have a better villain.
The Incredible Hulk was the second-worst Phase 1 film (coming in just ahead of Iron Man 2). It had a weaker cast than Ang Lee's Hulk:

Eric Bana > Ed Norton
Jennifer Connelly > Liv Tyler
Sam Elliot > William Hurt

Go ahead, try and disagree with any of that. Plus what was the point with setting up the introduction of the Leader? That has yet to pay off (and probably won't). The only thing The Incredible Hulk did that topped its predecessor was have a better villain.
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3:37PM on 10/10/2013
I agree that Mark Ruffalo was the best Bruce Banner. And I also think in general Eric Bana is not that good of an actor. But Ed Norton was definitely not suited for that role.
I agree that Mark Ruffalo was the best Bruce Banner. And I also think in general Eric Bana is not that good of an actor. But Ed Norton was definitely not suited for that role.
4:04AM on 10/10/2013
I have to disagree. I believe Norton was the better Bruce Banner, even though I think Ruffalo is possibly the best Bruce Banner out of the three. I always thought Bana was too muscular or too chizzled or too much of pretty boy to be Bruce Banner.

I agree about Connelly and Hurt though.
I have to disagree. I believe Norton was the better Bruce Banner, even though I think Ruffalo is possibly the best Bruce Banner out of the three. I always thought Bana was too muscular or too chizzled or too much of pretty boy to be Bruce Banner.

I agree about Connelly and Hurt though.
1:09PM on 10/10/2013
I didn't care much for this film. It started off solid, but became more & more of a mess as it went. Also, I hated the way Hulk looked in this. I've always been more of a fan of the primitive caveman Hulk as opposed to this beach body Hulk.
I didn't care much for this film. It started off solid, but became more & more of a mess as it went. Also, I hated the way Hulk looked in this. I've always been more of a fan of the primitive caveman Hulk as opposed to this beach body Hulk.
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5:39PM on 10/10/2013
Besides Thor this was the best film of phase 1. Was a shame marvel and Norton couldn't agree to get him in Avengers.
Besides Thor this was the best film of phase 1. Was a shame marvel and Norton couldn't agree to get him in Avengers.
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10:44AM on 10/11/2013

Loved this movie

On top of the fact Edward Norton can do no wrong....... nevermind lets just leave it at that. Good movie, no discussion.
On top of the fact Edward Norton can do no wrong....... nevermind lets just leave it at that. Good movie, no discussion.
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10:45AM on 10/11/2013

Liv Tyler....

I will say as much as I love Liv Tyler she plays the same character in every movie just like Clooney. Lord of the Rings, Hulk, Armageddon, strangers, and so on.
I will say as much as I love Liv Tyler she plays the same character in every movie just like Clooney. Lord of the Rings, Hulk, Armageddon, strangers, and so on.
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