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06.02.2011

Written by:Felix Vasquez Jr.

THE UNPOPULAR OPINION is an ongoing column featuring different takes on films that either the writer HATED, but that the majority of film fans LOVED, or that the writer LOVED, but that most others LOATHED. We're hoping this column will promote constructive and geek fueled discussion. Enjoy!

In early 2003 folks who went to the theaters were given their very first glimpse at the new HULK movie. It was a short trailer and one that didn't give away the appearance of the hulk to an all consuming mass of movie goers looking for a sneak peek. But in mid 2003, Marvel Entertainment and Universal, in a hasty move, decided to release an unfinished sneak peak at the Ang Lee helmed HULK and surely enough a look at the barely special effects matched with some hasty editing managed to sully what was once a steam train of hype and anticipation for fans everywhere.

The annoying ballyhoo surrounding the controversial trailer inevitably effected what is one of the most misunderstood and entertaining comic book films of all time, an intelligent psychological breakdown of Bruce Banner whose entire life as Bruce and the Hulk hinges on his id and the monster that looms in him after a childhood involving murder, repressed rage, and abuse all culminated by years of chemical experimentation. Ang Lee's HULK suffers for not being the typical comic book representation, especially in a world that was so forgiving to THE INCREDIBLE HULK.

It's an experimental adult look at a typically child-like cartoon hero whose entire purpose is summed up through two words: Hulk Smash. With Ang Lee's ability to depict the action genre through atmospheric tones that are much more subversive it was only a given he would take what was always a juvenile and facile bit of pop culture entertainment and turn it on its head as an examination of familial discord that contributes to the beginning of the hulk and with a few imbued corrosions within his genetic material marks the definition of the hulk not only as a monster of science in a Mary Shelly twist, but also something Cronenbergian whose dark facilities become his ultimate powers when combating the likes of genetically fueled monsters from his father's own lack of sanctity of the home and the animals surrounding it, hence the mutated poodles.

HULK is too unfairly judged and argued against from comic book fans who wanted to see a green monster smash furniture and war tanks and didn't really want to get to know him. And when they're not arguing against the deep complexity of the film wanting for a more superficial blockbuster film, they're just used to trotting out the same old clichés like mutant super poodles, and the absurdity of a director who took to the motion capture personally to put on film what he viewed as the incredible hulk he felt no one else could muster up for audiences.

It is a masterpiece of modern superhero cinema and one that sadly fell through the cracks primarily for its use of Freudian storytelling and the implementation of the Asian style of storytelling that Lee was so used to while combining the pop culture surrealism audiences were so used to, keeping them in their comfort zone with wonky editing and transitions that kept HULK a living and breathing comic book from minute one. And the gimmick is quite effective in sucking audiences in bringing them closer to the action as lovers of the medium should have appreciated much of what Lee went for. This effect becomes so much more amazing when concerning key fates of principle characters including Bruce's own confrontation with gamma rays and Josh Lucas's snarling mustache twirling villain Talbot.

As for the performances Eric Bana is without a doubt the quintessential Bruce Banner who possesses a lanky humility and crushed sensibility needed for this role that puts him in to the eyes and ears of the movie going audience whose own temperament is less a result of hypersensitivity and more repressed rage from a life that's succeeded in neutering his own sense of manhood, thanks to a faulty role model. When he does become the hulk, it's a collective amalgamation of his unconscious desires and emotions coming to play and less Edward Norton's hammy depiction where he turned the Hulk in to more of an anti-hero for the purposes of the blooming AVENGERS movie.

Nick Nolte is also mad as Banner's dad, a Frankenstein monster in his own right who has embraced his rage and insanity and becomes the Absorbing man, while Jennifer Connelly is in her usual brilliance as Betty Ross, the vivacious and dreamy love in Bruce's life. She went further under-appreciated when replaced by Liv Tyler in a role essentially watered down in "The Incredible Hulk" who went from a supporting character to a reactionary prop clear and simple. It's a shame audiences can't embrace what was clearly a film intended for the audience Lee assumed he was pandering to: An arbiter of science fiction that would grow to love what the incredible hulk was as both a monster and a product of trauma and pain.

THE HULK is a film that even Ang Lee himself admitted was something of a failure, but in a world where most of our superhero movies were given to us in droves suited best for the PG-13 crowds who wanted to escape domestic turmoil and enter in to a form of escapism, a reboot was only inevitable. Plus with the ability to link it to the AVENGERS universe, a reboot had to happen, it's just a shame HULK was driven in to a ground by folks who enjoyed their superhero cinema more routine and monotonous and less unique and adult. HULK is that gem that deserves more respect by a more appreciative movie going audience of the artistic sensibility.

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10:46AM on 06/02/2011

This movie had two awesome things going for it...

1) Jennifer Connelly
2) Sam Elliott's moustache
1) Jennifer Connelly
2) Sam Elliott's moustache
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10:47AM on 06/02/2011
Sam Elliott's moustache owns the world lol
Sam Elliott's moustache owns the world lol
10:47AM on 06/02/2011
i actually liked the movie but i think the role is cursed i mean their making The Avengers film again with another actor playing the role so that's 3 actors since 2003,a little too much on the long side but again i liked it
i actually liked the movie but i think the role is cursed i mean their making The Avengers film again with another actor playing the role so that's 3 actors since 2003,a little too much on the long side but again i liked it
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10:47AM on 06/02/2011

In all seriousness though...

I think Eric Bana gave a terrific performance but I just think the overall story was very flawed.
I think Eric Bana gave a terrific performance but I just think the overall story was very flawed.
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10:48AM on 06/02/2011
I enjoyed "The Hulk", maybe because I went with very low expectations after reading so many negative reviews. But I still think "The Incredible Hulk" was better.
I enjoyed "The Hulk", maybe because I went with very low expectations after reading so many negative reviews. But I still think "The Incredible Hulk" was better.
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10:51AM on 06/02/2011
Didn't hate it or love it (I like both Hulk movies to about the same degree), but Jennifer Connelly was definitely the best part of the film. The re-booted Hulk sorely missed a strong secondary character like her.
Didn't hate it or love it (I like both Hulk movies to about the same degree), but Jennifer Connelly was definitely the best part of the film. The re-booted Hulk sorely missed a strong secondary character like her.
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10:52AM on 06/02/2011

see the thing is

I think the reason it's panned is the majority of ppl don't want to see a psychological break down of Banner as much as they want to see the Hulk smash shit up. It's the same thing with Super Man. Sure you can do a nice deep story about the Human(ish) side of these characters but at the end of the day that is what the Comics are for and the Movie should be action packed thrill rides as expected by the masses. Iron Man was a great thrill ride and Thor does a pretty good job and there is still
I think the reason it's panned is the majority of ppl don't want to see a psychological break down of Banner as much as they want to see the Hulk smash shit up. It's the same thing with Super Man. Sure you can do a nice deep story about the Human(ish) side of these characters but at the end of the day that is what the Comics are for and the Movie should be action packed thrill rides as expected by the masses. Iron Man was a great thrill ride and Thor does a pretty good job and there is still plenty of humanity in those movies.
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10:53AM on 06/02/2011

One major problem....

The fact that Sam Elliott's moustache was not able to single-handedly beat the Hulk into submission by stretching out and bitch-slapping him several times shows a serious lack of imagination and realism by the director and writers. Just sayin'.
The fact that Sam Elliott's moustache was not able to single-handedly beat the Hulk into submission by stretching out and bitch-slapping him several times shows a serious lack of imagination and realism by the director and writers. Just sayin'.
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10:54AM on 06/02/2011
Eh, it was an interesting enough movie (and I did love the transitions), but the fact that his biggest fights were with a mutant poodle and a lake put a damper on things somewhat. I know the focus wasn't supposed to be on action, but seriously: it's the freakin' Hulk.

IMO, the reboot blew this one away.
Eh, it was an interesting enough movie (and I did love the transitions), but the fact that his biggest fights were with a mutant poodle and a lake put a damper on things somewhat. I know the focus wasn't supposed to be on action, but seriously: it's the freakin' Hulk.

IMO, the reboot blew this one away.
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11:16AM on 06/02/2011

Great article

I can't believe there was another who liked the movie for what it was. The acting was incredible, but the only thing that I didn't like, and I know I'm not alone here, is the comic book style editing: it got really annoying after awhile and never seemed to stop. I did appreciate the acting you mentioned (Liv Tyler was one-dimensional as Ross and should've deserved a Razzie nomination, and while I appreciate Norton as an actor, his presence was all wrong). Ang Lee's direction wasn't solid, but
I can't believe there was another who liked the movie for what it was. The acting was incredible, but the only thing that I didn't like, and I know I'm not alone here, is the comic book style editing: it got really annoying after awhile and never seemed to stop. I did appreciate the acting you mentioned (Liv Tyler was one-dimensional as Ross and should've deserved a Razzie nomination, and while I appreciate Norton as an actor, his presence was all wrong). Ang Lee's direction wasn't solid, but it was good nonetheless. It would've benefited with another director at hand. But the scene where Banner gets out of the show and finds Hulk staring at him in the mirror is priceless.

if they do make a Hulk 3, they should get Connolly back to play the love interest. Either that or someone else that isn't afraid to do justice to Betty Ross.
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11:21AM on 06/02/2011

Nah it was crap.

It was boring, which for a film based on the rage induced HULK is almost a crime.

I'm all for Ang Lee taking a superhero and trying a nice experimental and psychological character study, it's just that The Hulk was the wrong character to try that with.

His catchphrase is "Hulk Smash" for crying out loud. The newer movie fit the mold that pretty much anyone wanted to see from a Hulk movie, there are plenty of psychologically scarred and emotionally deep characters out their in the
It was boring, which for a film based on the rage induced HULK is almost a crime.

I'm all for Ang Lee taking a superhero and trying a nice experimental and psychological character study, it's just that The Hulk was the wrong character to try that with.

His catchphrase is "Hulk Smash" for crying out loud. The newer movie fit the mold that pretty much anyone wanted to see from a Hulk movie, there are plenty of psychologically scarred and emotionally deep characters out their in the superhero world for Ang Lee to have tried this with. The big monosyllabic meat-headed green one that smashes tanks is not one of them.

Thoguh saying that, I, like most, did enjoy Sam Elliot and Jennifer Connelly over William Hurt and Liv Tyler. However the movie around the latter makes up for that.
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11:24AM on 06/02/2011

sort of agree

I liked the first Hulk better, but I have the same problem that I have with a lot of these articles. The case is made by trying to throw the popular opinion under the bus. You don't need to trash The Incredible Hulk, or its talented cast, in order to vindicate Lee's Hulk. You don't need to trivialize the opinions of those who liked The Incredible Hulk, just to validate your own opinion. To be fair, this piece was a lot less combative than some of the previous entries, but I still am not
I liked the first Hulk better, but I have the same problem that I have with a lot of these articles. The case is made by trying to throw the popular opinion under the bus. You don't need to trash The Incredible Hulk, or its talented cast, in order to vindicate Lee's Hulk. You don't need to trivialize the opinions of those who liked The Incredible Hulk, just to validate your own opinion. To be fair, this piece was a lot less combative than some of the previous entries, but I still am not jazzed by the tendency to be so defensive. Sing the praises of the film (or damn its faults in other entries) - but there's no need to blame or trivialize those you are disagreeing with. It makes the article less convincing, and frankly, a little more boring to read.
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11:34AM on 06/02/2011

I was ready to side with this one

I think Hulk does have more to offer than it got credit for, but I dislike your article for two reasons.
1: I know this is just Joblo.com and I'm not trying to come off stuck up, but this is some of the worst writing I've seen in a long time. You let your sentences run on for paragraphs, making it really difficult to keep up with the countless abstractions you insist on using to imply the quality of the movie. Fruedian storytelling? Look, I get what you mean(I think) but there is no such
I think Hulk does have more to offer than it got credit for, but I dislike your article for two reasons.
1: I know this is just Joblo.com and I'm not trying to come off stuck up, but this is some of the worst writing I've seen in a long time. You let your sentences run on for paragraphs, making it really difficult to keep up with the countless abstractions you insist on using to imply the quality of the movie. Fruedian storytelling? Look, I get what you mean(I think) but there is no such thing as "Freudian storytelling". Dealing with the psychology of a character is not automatically "freudian". As for "lanky humility" and "crushed sensibility"; you're cutting yourself way too much semantic slack for readers to deal with. This reader, anyway.
2: "HULK is too unfairly judged and argued against from comic book fans who wanted to see a green monster smash furniture and war tanks and didn't really want to get to know him." This comes off really stuck up. Yes, only people who liked it were interested in anything substantial. Of course. Comic movie fans are, I would suspect, by majority ready for depth; it just may be that the film conveys that depth in an awkward and unsuccessful way. At any rate, don't insult me by telling me I didn't like it because I wanted pretty colors and and loud noises. That's no more fair than me saying the only reason you did like it is because is because you were too dim to see the faults and too satisfied by stroking your ego to the higher pretensions.

I think you make some fair points about this movie's redeeming qualities. I also think you need to humble those insights way the hell down.
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2:26PM on 06/03/2011
Extremely well said there!
Extremely well said there!
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11:36AM on 06/02/2011
The problem is, HULK didn't delve into any of its themes in a way that was entertaining. I'm all for intelligent superhero flicks, but they should work as entertainment as well as making one think. HULK fails to entertain.

It's not a terrible movie, but nor is it a terribly interesting one.
The problem is, HULK didn't delve into any of its themes in a way that was entertaining. I'm all for intelligent superhero flicks, but they should work as entertainment as well as making one think. HULK fails to entertain.

It's not a terrible movie, but nor is it a terribly interesting one.
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1:23PM on 06/02/2011
Spot on
Spot on
11:50AM on 06/02/2011
Well said.
Well said.
11:41AM on 06/02/2011
I have to stand up and applause this Unpopular Opinion. I too believe Hulk was a very good movie and also feel this movie “fell through the cracks.” It had the beautiful Jennifer Connelly, Bana made an awesome Banner, and it had a very solid story. One which lasted over 2 hours long. And since I was (and still am) a fan of the lengthy flicks, I enjoyed every minute of it.

I think people’s biggest gripe with the Hulk was, the CGI Hulk that banner turned into. Hulk was release in 2003, back
I have to stand up and applause this Unpopular Opinion. I too believe Hulk was a very good movie and also feel this movie “fell through the cracks.” It had the beautiful Jennifer Connelly, Bana made an awesome Banner, and it had a very solid story. One which lasted over 2 hours long. And since I was (and still am) a fan of the lengthy flicks, I enjoyed every minute of it.

I think people’s biggest gripe with the Hulk was, the CGI Hulk that banner turned into. Hulk was release in 2003, back when CGI was still fresh and it was heavily frowned upon. So when people saw the CGI Hulk, they despised the film and hated the fact they didn’t use a live person.

People still hate CGI today, but now it’s a bit more accepted. I believe that’s why The Incredible Hulk was so well received. Had The Incredible Hulk and Hulk switched it’s released dates, I truly believe The Incredible Hulk would be the one on the back burner.
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5:22PM on 06/02/2011
drexxell - Animatronics was mostly used to create the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park. CGI was only used a few times.

Philalva77 - Motion capture is CGI (Computer Generated Imagery)


What I should have said was, Hulk relied on it so heavily, whereas prior films seem to use it as a last resort. Typically, films would use animatronics and practical effects for the SFX. The exception during this time is Phantom Menace, which most people seem to hate. This goes back to what I was saying about
drexxell - Animatronics was mostly used to create the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park. CGI was only used a few times.

Philalva77 - Motion capture is CGI (Computer Generated Imagery)


What I should have said was, Hulk relied on it so heavily, whereas prior films seem to use it as a last resort. Typically, films would use animatronics and practical effects for the SFX. The exception during this time is Phantom Menace, which most people seem to hate. This goes back to what I was saying about people also hating the CGI Hulk.
1:53PM on 06/02/2011
Consider that in 1993, Jurassic Park came out with CGI dinosaurs...10 years prior to Hulk, and yet Jurassic Park had significantly more realistic looking monsters.
Consider that in 1993, Jurassic Park came out with CGI dinosaurs...10 years prior to Hulk, and yet Jurassic Park had significantly more realistic looking monsters.
1:35PM on 06/02/2011
CGI had been around for over a decade when this movie came out so I believe you had meant how motion capture was still fresh & thats how they did the Hulk in this movie.
CGI had been around for over a decade when this movie came out so I believe you had meant how motion capture was still fresh & thats how they did the Hulk in this movie.
11:46AM on 06/02/2011

IT JUST DIDN'T WORK!

I have a few ideas why the film didn't bore well the audience.
1 Eric Bana was really boring, when he talks it's like he's whispering. Except for Nolte and Elliot others looked extremely forced and bored.
2. The Hulk looked ridiculous, I mean seriously the hulk dog attack scene was poorly done.
3.The final showdown was way too dark and complicated that I was truly fed up with being reminded how awful Banners childhood was.
There was no spirit of Adventure it was like everyone hated
I have a few ideas why the film didn't bore well the audience.
1 Eric Bana was really boring, when he talks it's like he's whispering. Except for Nolte and Elliot others looked extremely forced and bored.
2. The Hulk looked ridiculous, I mean seriously the hulk dog attack scene was poorly done.
3.The final showdown was way too dark and complicated that I was truly fed up with being reminded how awful Banners childhood was.
There was no spirit of Adventure it was like everyone hated Banner.
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11:47AM on 06/02/2011
Long, boring, anticlimactic. The opposite of fun, a chore to watch.

The reboot was far from perfect, but it was nonetheless charming, fun, with good action (arugably the best Marvel-verse action finale to date.)

Its the difference between Star Trek: The Motion Picture and 'Wrath of Khan.' One movie is trying to be some morose, surrealist epic (and failing) while the other is a tightly wrapped, bubblegum action movie that knows what made the source material so much fun.
Long, boring, anticlimactic. The opposite of fun, a chore to watch.

The reboot was far from perfect, but it was nonetheless charming, fun, with good action (arugably the best Marvel-verse action finale to date.)

Its the difference between Star Trek: The Motion Picture and 'Wrath of Khan.' One movie is trying to be some morose, surrealist epic (and failing) while the other is a tightly wrapped, bubblegum action movie that knows what made the source material so much fun.
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11:52AM on 06/02/2011

Best one of these I've read yet

...and perhaps the only with solid justifications through and through. 'Course it helps that I agree - excitedly saw the film twice in theaters - though I can't say I've put as much thought into it as you clearly have, Mr. Vasquez. Hulk-sized kudos to you, sir!
...and perhaps the only with solid justifications through and through. 'Course it helps that I agree - excitedly saw the film twice in theaters - though I can't say I've put as much thought into it as you clearly have, Mr. Vasquez. Hulk-sized kudos to you, sir!
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12:13PM on 06/02/2011
Hulk Smash? Really??? Sorry, that flic was a boring mess. Psychological problems and freudian traumas in a movie about a hulking CGI-beast based on a comic book. While some may call it ambigious but IMO it just didn´t fit into to overal premise of the movie. Thankfully "the incredible Hulk" did the characters and the story more justice with it´s straightforward approach.
Hulk Smash? Really??? Sorry, that flic was a boring mess. Psychological problems and freudian traumas in a movie about a hulking CGI-beast based on a comic book. While some may call it ambigious but IMO it just didn´t fit into to overal premise of the movie. Thankfully "the incredible Hulk" did the characters and the story more justice with it´s straightforward approach.
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12:20PM on 06/02/2011

I like to get to know the hulk sure

but not where it overlaps the action,there should be a balance. Besides the characters are to brooding that i don't want to get to know them. I agree that this is one ambitious psychological film, but it just trying to hard. Besides it's the hulk, what do you expect people want to see. Artistic as it was it ws a failure.
but not where it overlaps the action,there should be a balance. Besides the characters are to brooding that i don't want to get to know them. I agree that this is one ambitious psychological film, but it just trying to hard. Besides it's the hulk, what do you expect people want to see. Artistic as it was it ws a failure.
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12:43PM on 06/02/2011

Great movie!

Everytime I see it again I like it more. And in my opinion, INCREDIBLE HULK is crap.
Everytime I see it again I like it more. And in my opinion, INCREDIBLE HULK is crap.
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12:54PM on 06/02/2011
"It is a masterpiece of modern superhero cinema and one that sadly fell through the cracks primarily for its use of Freudian storytelling and the implementation of the Asian style of storytelling that Lee was so used to while combining the pop culture surrealism audiences were so used to, keeping them in their comfort zone with wonky editing and transitions that kept HULK a living and breathing comic book from minute one."

wat
"It is a masterpiece of modern superhero cinema and one that sadly fell through the cracks primarily for its use of Freudian storytelling and the implementation of the Asian style of storytelling that Lee was so used to while combining the pop culture surrealism audiences were so used to, keeping them in their comfort zone with wonky editing and transitions that kept HULK a living and breathing comic book from minute one."

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1:00PM on 06/02/2011
I don't hate this movie but it's not a masterpiece as you might think. That's just my opinion of course. Ang Lee took a very different approach for Hulk. The end result was a mixed bag. It can be over philosophical and mighty Hulk-Crunching fun at times. The only thing I like in Lee's Hulk was the Comic Frame editing style where one page of action jumped onto another frame or another page of action.
I don't hate this movie but it's not a masterpiece as you might think. That's just my opinion of course. Ang Lee took a very different approach for Hulk. The end result was a mixed bag. It can be over philosophical and mighty Hulk-Crunching fun at times. The only thing I like in Lee's Hulk was the Comic Frame editing style where one page of action jumped onto another frame or another page of action.
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1:28PM on 06/02/2011
yes i do agree with you there about the way the movie was edited.
yes i do agree with you there about the way the movie was edited.
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1:15PM on 06/02/2011
i agree it was a masterpiece
great review
i agree it was a masterpiece
great review
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1:16PM on 06/02/2011
The overall Plot was fine. What killed it for me was the giant raging CGI hulk.
The overall Plot was fine. What killed it for me was the giant raging CGI hulk.
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1:18PM on 06/02/2011
I fucking love Ang Lee's Hulk. Love it. The Incredible Hulk was a big steaming turd in comparison.
I fucking love Ang Lee's Hulk. Love it. The Incredible Hulk was a big steaming turd in comparison.
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1:22PM on 06/02/2011

Nice Article

...but the only thing I'll say against this movie is that it's bloody boring.
And depressing. If it was foreign it would be my ex-girlfriend's favorite movie of all time.
The main scene when The Hulk raises hell in the desert is one of the all-time best, though, much like the airplane scene in Superman Returns. Bright spots in a couple of dull movies.
...but the only thing I'll say against this movie is that it's bloody boring.
And depressing. If it was foreign it would be my ex-girlfriend's favorite movie of all time.
The main scene when The Hulk raises hell in the desert is one of the all-time best, though, much like the airplane scene in Superman Returns. Bright spots in a couple of dull movies.
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1:22PM on 06/02/2011
Sorry double post
Sorry double post
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1:23PM on 06/02/2011
This version of Hulk is what it is, people love it or hate it & i am somewhere in between. I can respect what Ang Lee tried to do with the story but in the end it just got silly. I still have the movie & do watch it ocassionally though.
This version of Hulk is what it is, people love it or hate it & i am somewhere in between. I can respect what Ang Lee tried to do with the story but in the end it just got silly. I still have the movie & do watch it ocassionally though.
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1:30PM on 06/02/2011
This felt like an R rated, adult film that was hurt by being reigned into a PG-13 rating, and being marketing to children. At least the marketing for films like The Dark Knight told people, from the start, "hey, we're gonna brood a little, here." Love it or hate it, it definitely deserves Kudus for treating its comic source material with respect. That wasn't really happening at all at the time Hulk was released, and, despite being a failure, I think it probably had an influence on the
This felt like an R rated, adult film that was hurt by being reigned into a PG-13 rating, and being marketing to children. At least the marketing for films like The Dark Knight told people, from the start, "hey, we're gonna brood a little, here." Love it or hate it, it definitely deserves Kudus for treating its comic source material with respect. That wasn't really happening at all at the time Hulk was released, and, despite being a failure, I think it probably had an influence on the treatment of comics in films that followed it.
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1:47PM on 06/02/2011

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I feel like you wrote this only to piss people off. It can be a thoughtful master piece all it wants but if it doesnt deliver on what people want whats it matter. people wanted to see hulk smash for a reason. while i realize Lee was trying to doing something thoughtful he went too far. there is a thin line between entertainment and thought provoking film, a hulk movie cannot be all either. Lee made it too much of the later.
I feel like you wrote this only to piss people off. It can be a thoughtful master piece all it wants but if it doesnt deliver on what people want whats it matter. people wanted to see hulk smash for a reason. while i realize Lee was trying to doing something thoughtful he went too far. there is a thin line between entertainment and thought provoking film, a hulk movie cannot be all either. Lee made it too much of the later.
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1:48PM on 06/02/2011

Sorry, can't agree with this...

And I don't enjoy being told that "And when they're not arguing against the deep complexity of the film wanting for a more superficial blockbuster film, they're just used to trotting out the same old clichés like mutant super poodles..."

Damned right those stupid dogs were ridiculous, and a distraction. As was the acting by Nolte. He was painful to watch.

This movie was an atrocity of poor acting, poor scripting and failure to deliver on something as simple as the known origin story of
And I don't enjoy being told that "And when they're not arguing against the deep complexity of the film wanting for a more superficial blockbuster film, they're just used to trotting out the same old clichés like mutant super poodles..."

Damned right those stupid dogs were ridiculous, and a distraction. As was the acting by Nolte. He was painful to watch.

This movie was an atrocity of poor acting, poor scripting and failure to deliver on something as simple as the known origin story of a misunderstood anti-hero.

Thumbs down. Ang Lee's hulk deserves the hate.
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2:06PM on 06/02/2011
Hated the Ang Lee version, thought it sucked ass hair. Loved the last one with Ed Norton. I know all the artsy fartsy dudes loved the Lee version. NOT I THIR! HI THAILOR!
Hated the Ang Lee version, thought it sucked ass hair. Loved the last one with Ed Norton. I know all the artsy fartsy dudes loved the Lee version. NOT I THIR! HI THAILOR!
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2:07PM on 06/02/2011
If you like that hulk movie more, that's cool. Different strokes for different folks right? But the way you explain it like its some kind of psychological masterpiece almost makes me laugh. Personally, I liked the Edward Norton Hulk movie more, but I'm not gonna pretend it shattered reality for me, it was fun. But I guess if the argument sounded reasonable, it wouldn't be the unpopular opinion, right?
p.s.- Holy run on sentence in your third paragraph dude!
If you like that hulk movie more, that's cool. Different strokes for different folks right? But the way you explain it like its some kind of psychological masterpiece almost makes me laugh. Personally, I liked the Edward Norton Hulk movie more, but I'm not gonna pretend it shattered reality for me, it was fun. But I guess if the argument sounded reasonable, it wouldn't be the unpopular opinion, right?
p.s.- Holy run on sentence in your third paragraph dude!
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2:18PM on 06/02/2011
I agree with the unpopular opinion on this particular film. I though Ang Lee's Hulk film had great gravitas and story and character and acting and style. I know some people I care about said they hated the film. I found it to have a compelling story and drama. The Ed Norton Hulk film was exceedingly light on the story, it was more comic book smash. But Ang Lee had an origin story to do, and I felt he did a great job.
I agree with the unpopular opinion on this particular film. I though Ang Lee's Hulk film had great gravitas and story and character and acting and style. I know some people I care about said they hated the film. I found it to have a compelling story and drama. The Ed Norton Hulk film was exceedingly light on the story, it was more comic book smash. But Ang Lee had an origin story to do, and I felt he did a great job.
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2:19PM on 06/02/2011

what I really want to see is...

Someone rip apart a true classic that everyone loves. Give me an unpopular opinion on back to the future, star wars, raiders of the lost ark etc. You won't be getting one from me, but someone out there must not like a movie like that.
Someone rip apart a true classic that everyone loves. Give me an unpopular opinion on back to the future, star wars, raiders of the lost ark etc. You won't be getting one from me, but someone out there must not like a movie like that.
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2:23PM on 06/02/2011

It was o.k.


I think it would play much better if someone would create a fan-edit and do away with all the stupid split screens. Yes, I understand they were meant to emulate the panels on a comic book page. But they're distracting nonetheless.

The extreme close ups were distracting too. Do I really need to examine Sam Elliot's skin condition? Probably not.

I think it would play much better if someone would create a fan-edit and do away with all the stupid split screens. Yes, I understand they were meant to emulate the panels on a comic book page. But they're distracting nonetheless.

The extreme close ups were distracting too. Do I really need to examine Sam Elliot's skin condition? Probably not.
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2:35PM on 06/02/2011

Wow...

... I'm shocked that you didn't use the terms "puerile" and "lowest common denominator" when describing people who preferred The Incredible Hulk, though I can read between the lines. Face facts; the Hulk was two and a half hours long and the titular character was only in it for a half hour. The rest of the time we were given convolution and Eric Bana hyperventilating,neither of which is as compelling as you claim.
... I'm shocked that you didn't use the terms "puerile" and "lowest common denominator" when describing people who preferred The Incredible Hulk, though I can read between the lines. Face facts; the Hulk was two and a half hours long and the titular character was only in it for a half hour. The rest of the time we were given convolution and Eric Bana hyperventilating,neither of which is as compelling as you claim.
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4:59AM on 06/03/2011
If by "almost" you mean 35-40 minutes tops, then yes, good point. But here's the rub: Donner made the origin entertaining, not tedious. I would literally watch a full-length film about just Jor-El. I can't say that about ANY character in HULK, even Bruce Krenzler(not Banner, which is it's own WTF).
If by "almost" you mean 35-40 minutes tops, then yes, good point. But here's the rub: Donner made the origin entertaining, not tedious. I would literally watch a full-length film about just Jor-El. I can't say that about ANY character in HULK, even Bruce Krenzler(not Banner, which is it's own WTF).
6:06PM on 06/02/2011
Actually, in Donner's Superman it's almost an hour and a half into the movie before he dons the tights and yet no one complains about getting to know the character in that movie.
Actually, in Donner's Superman it's almost an hour and a half into the movie before he dons the tights and yet no one complains about getting to know the character in that movie.
3:14PM on 06/02/2011
I've always liked this Hulk movie. Can't say for sure if it's better than The Incredible Hulk, but I would say it's at least as good as it. The Hulk was certainly a much more daring film.
I've always liked this Hulk movie. Can't say for sure if it's better than The Incredible Hulk, but I would say it's at least as good as it. The Hulk was certainly a much more daring film.
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3:20PM on 06/02/2011
I like both Hulks on their own merits.
I like both Hulks on their own merits.
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3:22PM on 06/02/2011
While I still enjoyed The Incredible Hulk more, I don't hate The Hulk nearly as much as everyone else. What people will call pretentious, I will call a great take on the story. The cast was fantastic and Ang Lee's direction was as well. Certainly, whenever you have an art-house take on anything, the majority of people won't be interested. But here, it was taking a comic book character, something people didn't expect to be as deep as was, and turning it into a much deeper experience about who
While I still enjoyed The Incredible Hulk more, I don't hate The Hulk nearly as much as everyone else. What people will call pretentious, I will call a great take on the story. The cast was fantastic and Ang Lee's direction was as well. Certainly, whenever you have an art-house take on anything, the majority of people won't be interested. But here, it was taking a comic book character, something people didn't expect to be as deep as was, and turning it into a much deeper experience about who Banner was. Admittedly, the ending was pretty lame, but this movie is far from the tragedy people make it out to be.
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3:27PM on 06/02/2011

same old clichés like mutant super poodles

I wasn't aware that was an old cliché
I wasn't aware that was an old cliché
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3:42PM on 06/02/2011

I ADMIT ...

... Hulk is one of my favorite Marvel adaptations, BUT I also think The Incredible Hulk was a very good film, maybe could have been great if one day we see director's cut with all those deleted scenes, apparently there are tons of them. Hulk is a great character, too bad we'll only see him in Avengers now ...
... Hulk is one of my favorite Marvel adaptations, BUT I also think The Incredible Hulk was a very good film, maybe could have been great if one day we see director's cut with all those deleted scenes, apparently there are tons of them. Hulk is a great character, too bad we'll only see him in Avengers now ...
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5:22PM on 06/02/2011
I love the Hulk. But it's another animal to most Superhero movies. Glad you picked it for Unpopular Opinion.
I love the Hulk. But it's another animal to most Superhero movies. Glad you picked it for Unpopular Opinion.
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5:25PM on 06/02/2011

YES!

Finally someone agrees! I love Hulk 03. Its in my top 5 superhero films of all time with BB, TDK, Spidey 2, and Superman. I do like 08 Hulk, as well but Ang Lee definitely told a better story. I do think the final battle was rushes and sloppy though...the main negative point I have against the film. Other then that I think it's fantastic.
Finally someone agrees! I love Hulk 03. Its in my top 5 superhero films of all time with BB, TDK, Spidey 2, and Superman. I do like 08 Hulk, as well but Ang Lee definitely told a better story. I do think the final battle was rushes and sloppy though...the main negative point I have against the film. Other then that I think it's fantastic.
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5:32PM on 06/02/2011
Meh, not a fan of this one. Simply no fun.......
Meh, not a fan of this one. Simply no fun.......
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5:59PM on 06/02/2011
The Incredible Hulk > Hulk.

The Hulk isn't as good as The Incredible Hulk, but I still enjoyed it for what it was because I am a HUGE fan of the Hulk and his origins. I liked the whole artsy vibe and direction that Lee did for the film. The Hulk and the new Batman movies are similar in the psychology of their films and their main characters, Hulk and Batman.

I appreciate what Lee did with his version, but I am glad Norton did what he did with his version and made the Hulk superhero movie
The Incredible Hulk > Hulk.

The Hulk isn't as good as The Incredible Hulk, but I still enjoyed it for what it was because I am a HUGE fan of the Hulk and his origins. I liked the whole artsy vibe and direction that Lee did for the film. The Hulk and the new Batman movies are similar in the psychology of their films and their main characters, Hulk and Batman.

I appreciate what Lee did with his version, but I am glad Norton did what he did with his version and made the Hulk superhero movie that all of us fans deserve.
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6:15PM on 06/02/2011
I remember liking the story and the cast, thinking they should have cut the poodles because they looked awful (remember Kubrick switched from Saturn to Jupiter for 2001 only because they couldn't get Saturn's rings to look right) and I recall the Hulk running around the desert forever getting shot at and me thinking the jets surely would have run out of fuel.
I remember liking the story and the cast, thinking they should have cut the poodles because they looked awful (remember Kubrick switched from Saturn to Jupiter for 2001 only because they couldn't get Saturn's rings to look right) and I recall the Hulk running around the desert forever getting shot at and me thinking the jets surely would have run out of fuel.
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6:17PM on 06/02/2011
i really enjoyed ang lee's "hulk". IMO, it's one of the better superhero flicks just because there was so much of the hulk comic feel in it. i've read the hulk for a while, not constantly, but enough to get into the duality of his personality and the sometimes sparseness of his existence. you could get the notion of the "leave me alone" from this hulk which is missing from the incredible hulk, i thought. and the atmospheric fight scenes were much more interesting than just a plain old "hulk
i really enjoyed ang lee's "hulk". IMO, it's one of the better superhero flicks just because there was so much of the hulk comic feel in it. i've read the hulk for a while, not constantly, but enough to get into the duality of his personality and the sometimes sparseness of his existence. you could get the notion of the "leave me alone" from this hulk which is missing from the incredible hulk, i thought. and the atmospheric fight scenes were much more interesting than just a plain old "hulk smash". i wanted something more and i got it from this movie.
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6:21PM on 06/02/2011
Way better movie than Incredible Hulk, a lot due more to the cast in which all 3 major characters, Banner, Betty and Ross were better portrayed. but the poodles were stupid I will admit to that.
Way better movie than Incredible Hulk, a lot due more to the cast in which all 3 major characters, Banner, Betty and Ross were better portrayed. but the poodles were stupid I will admit to that.
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6:39PM on 06/02/2011
At the time this movie was being written, Peter David had been writing the Hulk in comics. His version was much more psychological and looked like the source material Lee pulled the script together from. Of course, this is a much different version than fans of the watered-down, campy 70's tv series were used to seeing, or even from the 90's cartoons series that had aired.

The only problem I had with this version was Nolte. He over-acted and you could tell he was having some kind of personal
At the time this movie was being written, Peter David had been writing the Hulk in comics. His version was much more psychological and looked like the source material Lee pulled the script together from. Of course, this is a much different version than fans of the watered-down, campy 70's tv series were used to seeing, or even from the 90's cartoons series that had aired.

The only problem I had with this version was Nolte. He over-acted and you could tell he was having some kind of personal problems that made it's way into the acting. I have no problem with the gamma dogs, since it was 3 minutes of screen time that was actually necessary to the movie.

I prefer this version of the Hulk to Norton's craptastic vision of the old tv show, mainly because the Hulk and Banner have always been shown to be one of a kind. Something that cannot be duplicated. Hence the reason the military is always chasing him and trying to contain and study him (if not outright destroy him). Instead, in Norton's vision, anyone can become the Hulk by sipping on a drop of gamma-irradiated blood. Stupid, boorish, and not even remotely thought out in advance. Because if this was the case, the movie would have been over the moment the military found all of Banner's blood in Stern's lab. Wanna fight the Abomination? Have 50 soldiers drink some of Banner's blood to become hulks and take him down. Instead we have that dumb videogame cut scene at the end where 700+ lb characters are swinging of of flimsy fire escapes and leaping from rooftops without doing much damage. Norton removed the reason why Banner was so special from his script, and the reason he did that was because he was never a fan of the Hulk. He was just another star that wanted to be in the trendy superhero movie genre.
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2:28PM on 06/03/2011
Wow, everything in you post is completely wrong. I don't even know where to start....

Ok, 1 Norton is way more of a Hulk fan than Ang is. He fought the studios because they wanted to put out even or crap, it had nothing to do with "wanting to be in a trendy superhero movie"

2) You may not be a comic fan, but did you even watch the movie? the Abomination isn't the Abomination because he "just drank the blood" (which he didn't do by the way),did you miss the entire scene where he got
Wow, everything in you post is completely wrong. I don't even know where to start....

Ok, 1 Norton is way more of a Hulk fan than Ang is. He fought the studios because they wanted to put out even or crap, it had nothing to do with "wanting to be in a trendy superhero movie"

2) You may not be a comic fan, but did you even watch the movie? the Abomination isn't the Abomination because he "just drank the blood" (which he didn't do by the way),did you miss the entire scene where he got injected with the Super Soldier Serum? Norton didn't come up with that, its in the source material.

3) Hulk = One of a kind???- I guess She-Hulk or Red Hulk doesn't exist in "your" universe.

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6:41PM on 06/02/2011

I liked it

like Incredible Hulk more, but I dug this one. In fact if the ending of The Incredible Hulk wasn't so fucking awesome and the ending of Hulk wasn't so fucking shitty then I probably would've liked Hulk more.
like Incredible Hulk more, but I dug this one. In fact if the ending of The Incredible Hulk wasn't so fucking awesome and the ending of Hulk wasn't so fucking shitty then I probably would've liked Hulk more.
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6:47PM on 06/02/2011

Hulk 2003

Still love that scene in the desert where he trashes tanks.
No scene from TIH 2008 makes it for me in that way
Still love that scene in the desert where he trashes tanks.
No scene from TIH 2008 makes it for me in that way
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7:08PM on 06/02/2011

Maybe its just me...

But this article seems like a pretentious, psycho-babble infused rant, meant to justify the deep complexities of, quite frankly, a shitty narrative. Now you can tell me all you want how Freudian and deep seeded the emotional realities of Hulks character are, and why his fight with giant poodles and a lake version of Nick Nolte are clear examples of this if viewed with that perception, but to the “naked” eye, their two poorly crafted sequences with equally poor quality CGI and no matter how
But this article seems like a pretentious, psycho-babble infused rant, meant to justify the deep complexities of, quite frankly, a shitty narrative. Now you can tell me all you want how Freudian and deep seeded the emotional realities of Hulks character are, and why his fight with giant poodles and a lake version of Nick Nolte are clear examples of this if viewed with that perception, but to the “naked” eye, their two poorly crafted sequences with equally poor quality CGI and no matter how fancy you explain why it “should” have worked… it didn’t.

I also feel slightly offended that you clump together anyone that approved of The Incredible Hulk as unintelligent. Like a movie or don’t like a movie at your own accord, but don’t demean someone else’s opinion to justify your own. Intelligence isn’t influenced by the movies you like… unless you like crap movies.
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7:27PM on 06/02/2011

Not bad, but not great.

No Hulk movie has gotten it right yet because no Hulk movie has had a great villain yet. Without a great foil for the Hero to fight against, you can't really care about him.
No Hulk movie has gotten it right yet because no Hulk movie has had a great villain yet. Without a great foil for the Hero to fight against, you can't really care about him.
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7:49PM on 06/02/2011
Movie was alrite at best, it dragged, didn't mind that they made absorbing man bruce's father for no reason but wasn't a fan of how the character was executed, so on and so forth.

Josh Lucas' death is still one of my favorite unintentinally funny scenes in any movie. It looked so awful
Movie was alrite at best, it dragged, didn't mind that they made absorbing man bruce's father for no reason but wasn't a fan of how the character was executed, so on and so forth.

Josh Lucas' death is still one of my favorite unintentinally funny scenes in any movie. It looked so awful
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8:03PM on 06/02/2011

I know that...

you love playing the devil's advocate but i have to call bullshit on this one. You don't seem convinced of your opinion here. This movie was garbage and you know it.
you love playing the devil's advocate but i have to call bullshit on this one. You don't seem convinced of your opinion here. This movie was garbage and you know it.
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8:15PM on 06/02/2011
I liked the 2003 Hulk but loved the recent one, I thought it was pretty bad ass.
I liked the 2003 Hulk but loved the recent one, I thought it was pretty bad ass.
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8:38PM on 06/02/2011
The only thing this flick had going for it was the way Lee shot it like a comic. That technique hadn't been used before. Other than that, it sucked.

And let's just forget Nick Nolte as the Absorbing Man. Stick him somewhere in Thor 2 instead where he can be the bald, iron-ball-throwing nut seen in the comics!
The only thing this flick had going for it was the way Lee shot it like a comic. That technique hadn't been used before. Other than that, it sucked.

And let's just forget Nick Nolte as the Absorbing Man. Stick him somewhere in Thor 2 instead where he can be the bald, iron-ball-throwing nut seen in the comics!
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8:41PM on 06/02/2011

As a Huge HULK fan....

I will agree only to the fact that the characteristics that make Hulk is in fact a little deeper, then say a billionaire with daddy issues. But no matter how you look at it, the past two films were Garbage. They just cant get Hulk on track. Perhaps start by locking down an actor for more than one movie. Then stay away from the "Freudian" bull, and more of the Green Machine on screen
I will agree only to the fact that the characteristics that make Hulk is in fact a little deeper, then say a billionaire with daddy issues. But no matter how you look at it, the past two films were Garbage. They just cant get Hulk on track. Perhaps start by locking down an actor for more than one movie. Then stay away from the "Freudian" bull, and more of the Green Machine on screen
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10:49PM on 06/02/2011
I appreciate both Hulk films and the take on the character, the same way I like both Nolan's and Burton's Batman films. Incredible Hulk had a better villian with Roth, but Hulk had a better cast with Bana, Connelly and Elliot. Danny Elfman gave a really interesting score for the Hulk, and although it isn't his best work I found it to be an interesting and unique approach to scoring a comic book hero film.
I appreciate both Hulk films and the take on the character, the same way I like both Nolan's and Burton's Batman films. Incredible Hulk had a better villian with Roth, but Hulk had a better cast with Bana, Connelly and Elliot. Danny Elfman gave a really interesting score for the Hulk, and although it isn't his best work I found it to be an interesting and unique approach to scoring a comic book hero film.
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1:05AM on 06/03/2011
I absolutely love this movie! I think it's excellent, and extremely underrated, so yay for that!

However, there are a few run-on sentences that made have to re-read multiple times to get what was being said, so sad -face.

More to the point though, I feel this argument is only half done. Felix spends soo much time talking the story aspects, he barely mentions the best thing about the movie- it's a bloody comic book brought to life. The transitions and such are amazing, and one of the only
I absolutely love this movie! I think it's excellent, and extremely underrated, so yay for that!

However, there are a few run-on sentences that made have to re-read multiple times to get what was being said, so sad -face.

More to the point though, I feel this argument is only half done. Felix spends soo much time talking the story aspects, he barely mentions the best thing about the movie- it's a bloody comic book brought to life. The transitions and such are amazing, and one of the only times I felt like I was watching a true comic book that came to life. I am sad this wasn't more of a point.
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2:25AM on 06/03/2011
It was actually the action scenes that lost my interest in this movie. I mean WTF was even going on in that final battle?
It was actually the action scenes that lost my interest in this movie. I mean WTF was even going on in that final battle?
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8:04PM on 06/04/2011
What makes it doubly confusing is how they just let Banner walk in to this underguarded warehouse, where the two just have this random, calm conversation. It's so bizarre and disorienting
What makes it doubly confusing is how they just let Banner walk in to this underguarded warehouse, where the two just have this random, calm conversation. It's so bizarre and disorienting
12:40PM on 06/03/2011
AGREE! In the theater and on my TV, I have no clue what happened in that final scene.
AGREE! In the theater and on my TV, I have no clue what happened in that final scene.
6:53AM on 06/03/2011
I enjoyed Eric Bana's performance, especially when he turns into the Hulk and beats the shit out of Josh Lucas. He looks furious and like he's starting to enjoy the rage. Good stuff from him. The movie on a whole was a huge disappointment for me as a life-long Hulk fanatic though. On a related side note, Jennifer Connely is smokin' hot.
I enjoyed Eric Bana's performance, especially when he turns into the Hulk and beats the shit out of Josh Lucas. He looks furious and like he's starting to enjoy the rage. Good stuff from him. The movie on a whole was a huge disappointment for me as a life-long Hulk fanatic though. On a related side note, Jennifer Connely is smokin' hot.
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8:14AM on 06/03/2011

Hope Hulk Hits

I like both Hulk movies. Both very rewatchable movies, more so than the good to very good, but strangely forgettable, Spidey 1-2 and X-men 1-2.
I like both Hulk movies. Both very rewatchable movies, more so than the good to very good, but strangely forgettable, Spidey 1-2 and X-men 1-2.
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8:32AM on 06/03/2011
I like Ang Lee's Hulk, it's just more poetic and thoughtful than most people want an Incredible Hulk movie to be. I still maintain this film could've won awards for the creative editing too - they did a great job in that respect. I didn't dislike Ed Norton's Incredible Hulk, but the oddly delicate melancholy of Ang Lee's Hulk movie was the more interesting take on the Hulk's character.
I like Ang Lee's Hulk, it's just more poetic and thoughtful than most people want an Incredible Hulk movie to be. I still maintain this film could've won awards for the creative editing too - they did a great job in that respect. I didn't dislike Ed Norton's Incredible Hulk, but the oddly delicate melancholy of Ang Lee's Hulk movie was the more interesting take on the Hulk's character.
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10:09AM on 06/03/2011

one of my very favorites

Ang Lee's Hulk is a classic piece, one of my very favorites and something I thoroughly enjoyed. Especially the action sequences were totally kick-ass. The reboot (Edward Nortan) totally pales in comparison.
Ang Lee's Hulk is a classic piece, one of my very favorites and something I thoroughly enjoyed. Especially the action sequences were totally kick-ass. The reboot (Edward Nortan) totally pales in comparison.
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12:23PM on 06/03/2011

That's the thing...

...it was a very good movie. Not an all out comic book film, which most people couldn't accept. At first, I was in that category, but over the years I feel I have become a more educated movie goer and can appreciate such a film now. That being said and enjoying the Incredible Hulk as well, I've grown tired of all the re-casting...what's next? Channing Tatum to replace RDJ as Ironman?
...it was a very good movie. Not an all out comic book film, which most people couldn't accept. At first, I was in that category, but over the years I feel I have become a more educated movie goer and can appreciate such a film now. That being said and enjoying the Incredible Hulk as well, I've grown tired of all the re-casting...what's next? Channing Tatum to replace RDJ as Ironman?
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1:41PM on 06/03/2011

Not A Bad Movie

I liked the Hulk for what it was. My main issue with this movie was the ending and the villain. The ending is one of the worst climaxes I've seen in any action movie. It's a muddled mess that is hard to see, let alone enjoy. The villain was completely bland. This is the weird part since it's his father.You would think their would be tons of emotion when the confrontation came. Instead, it just feels like they spit out the lamest action sequence they could think of.

Neither Hulk movie has
I liked the Hulk for what it was. My main issue with this movie was the ending and the villain. The ending is one of the worst climaxes I've seen in any action movie. It's a muddled mess that is hard to see, let alone enjoy. The villain was completely bland. This is the weird part since it's his father.You would think their would be tons of emotion when the confrontation came. Instead, it just feels like they spit out the lamest action sequence they could think of.

Neither Hulk movie has satisfied me completely. There are elements of this movie I like and elements of The Incredible Hulk I liked. The biggest issue with The Incredible Hulk was that they seemed to rush the story so they could overcompensate for the lack of action in Hulk. The Incredible Hulk felt really silly by the end when Hulk was swinging on buildings. When the hell does the Hulk swing on buildings like a monkey? That's one thing The 2005 version got right. All the Hulk I know has to do is take one leap and he'll jump miles away.At this point I've given up all hope for a great Hulk movie. That's a shame because I think it has the most potential for a huge blockbuster movie if done right.
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2:06PM on 06/03/2011
Let me guess.....you had to pick a film for a pych course and this is the resulting paper? Reads like it.

Anyhoo, the way it was put together and shown were never the problems with this film. The underwhelming CG, bad acting by Nolte and a slow uninteresting pace are what made this film bad. And no matter what kind of spin you put on it, those mutant poodles were a stupid idea. It's decent for an afternoon when nothing else is on watch. And I actually LIKE the comicbook panel way of
Let me guess.....you had to pick a film for a pych course and this is the resulting paper? Reads like it.

Anyhoo, the way it was put together and shown were never the problems with this film. The underwhelming CG, bad acting by Nolte and a slow uninteresting pace are what made this film bad. And no matter what kind of spin you put on it, those mutant poodles were a stupid idea. It's decent for an afternoon when nothing else is on watch. And I actually LIKE the comicbook panel way of presenting it. THAT was probably the best thing about the film.
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2:22AM on 06/05/2011
Wrong.
Wrong.
8:25PM on 06/03/2011
GREAT movie. 8/10 and far better than the new cliche approach to comic book films. I appreciate Ang lee for his movie and i wa satisfied. Only beefs were Hulk Dogs and movie should have ended in the city when he shrunk infront of betty cause everything after was GARBAGE!!!!! i do like this as top 3 marvel movies
GREAT movie. 8/10 and far better than the new cliche approach to comic book films. I appreciate Ang lee for his movie and i wa satisfied. Only beefs were Hulk Dogs and movie should have ended in the city when he shrunk infront of betty cause everything after was GARBAGE!!!!! i do like this as top 3 marvel movies
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8:00PM on 06/04/2011
I'll give him this much - the best parts of the movie *were* the quiet, psychological parts. They also had the best editing. Unfortunately, the minute it goes into action sequences, the movie goes retarded.

To go so far as to say it was actually successful in presenting an focused, clearly-communicated look at Banner's psychology is to decontextualize it from all of film. Yeah, it's impressive when compared to something as juvenile as the comics, but the Hulk himself has seen deep, more
I'll give him this much - the best parts of the movie *were* the quiet, psychological parts. They also had the best editing. Unfortunately, the minute it goes into action sequences, the movie goes retarded.

To go so far as to say it was actually successful in presenting an focused, clearly-communicated look at Banner's psychology is to decontextualize it from all of film. Yeah, it's impressive when compared to something as juvenile as the comics, but the Hulk himself has seen deep, more complex investigations into his psyche in the old TV series. And more importantly, films like Batman Begins show us that "The Hulk"s attempt at this was mediocre at best.

Even ignoring the absurdities of some of the setpieces, like the poodles and the videogamey final boss ending that shouldn't even make sense within your own analysis, you still end up with a film that doesn't reach the goals it set out to accomplish.

At least "The Incredible Hulk" got that far, which is why audiences responded to it better. Not because it was deeper or more intelligent, but because it succeeded in conveying the (albeit simple) ideas it intended to convey.
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2:23AM on 06/05/2011

Glad to see mostly agreement

I'm glad to see most people are in agreement with me about "Hulk." It was an invigorating movie experience back then and it continues to be one on DVD.
I'm glad to see most people are in agreement with me about "Hulk." It was an invigorating movie experience back then and it continues to be one on DVD.
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11:21PM on 06/06/2011
This movie had its problems but the good parts were really good. Very under-appreciated film.
This movie had its problems but the good parts were really good. Very under-appreciated film.
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5:55PM on 06/14/2011

DESERT COMBAT SEQUENCE

Until the forest battle in Transformers ROTF, the greatest special effects action sequence ever put on film was the desert combat between the Hulk and the US Army. Both the segments with the tanks and attack helicopters fighting the Hulk are SPOT ON. You know this is true.
Until the forest battle in Transformers ROTF, the greatest special effects action sequence ever put on film was the desert combat between the Hulk and the US Army. Both the segments with the tanks and attack helicopters fighting the Hulk are SPOT ON. You know this is true.
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2:09PM on 10/14/2011
I've always thought this movie was under appreciated. Script aside, Ang Lee took some big chances and had it worked. He could have had a franchise. I still support this film for the perfect casting of Bana and Connelly.
I've always thought this movie was under appreciated. Script aside, Ang Lee took some big chances and had it worked. He could have had a franchise. I still support this film for the perfect casting of Bana and Connelly.
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9:22AM on 02/16/2012

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HULK didn't suck because it wasn't a popcorn flick. It sucked because even as a Greek tragedy in superhero form, it lacked any kind of soul to it. It was incredibly stale.
HULK didn't suck because it wasn't a popcorn flick. It sucked because even as a Greek tragedy in superhero form, it lacked any kind of soul to it. It was incredibly stale.
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12:52AM on 06/23/2012
Anyone else notice that we cannot give a comment on the new layout?
Anyone else notice that we cannot give a comment on the new layout?
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2:03PM on 07/24/2012

Actually I dislike it because it's flawed, not because it's not a typical superhero flick

I agree with what Grand_Marquis said, this film isn't bad because it isn't your generic popcorn blockbuster, it's a severely flawed film. I like my comic book movies smart and grounded in at least some form of reality because of that I certaily appreciate what Ang Lee set out to do, but this is a film that I've only become more and more critical of over time. Lee set out with a noble goal but sadly fell far short. Most of the action scenes are ridiculpus messes, the villains are overblown
I agree with what Grand_Marquis said, this film isn't bad because it isn't your generic popcorn blockbuster, it's a severely flawed film. I like my comic book movies smart and grounded in at least some form of reality because of that I certaily appreciate what Ang Lee set out to do, but this is a film that I've only become more and more critical of over time. Lee set out with a noble goal but sadly fell far short. Most of the action scenes are ridiculpus messes, the villains are overblown melodramatic archetypes that lack any believable motivation and the overall tone of the movie is a jarring mishmash of realism and the absurd that could have worked in more graceful hands but painfully clashes here.
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