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UNpopular Opinion: Batman Begins

12.08.2011

Written by:Austen Stroh

[Ed. note: THE UNPOPULAR OPINION is an ongoing column featuring different takes on films that either the writer HATED, but that the majority of film fans LOVED, or that the writer LOVED, but that most others LOATHED. We're hoping this column will promote constructive and geek fueled discussion. Enjoy!]

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This film deserves about 1/3rd the admiration it gets, and I'll tell you why.

The Seriousness. This film is so based in reality, and so serious, it's almost comical that this billionaire would dress up like a bat and fight crime. Comic book films benefit from a bit of fantasy. No one cried foul when Joker pulled the 12ft gun out of his pants. No one gave a shit when Bruce Wayne had this magical, huge Batcave beneath his mansion that HAD to be built my other folks. But Batman Begins? They make it so serious, and it such a level of reality that you tend to nit-pick things. Such as putting Falcone on the spotlight. He would have been burnt to death in minutes. But I'll digress...

The Character Development. We establish in the film that the Scarecrow is the villain. He's doing real mean things with this hallucinogenic, and he's got big plans to do something that the folks of Gotham and such aren't going to like. He's a great villain. He's scary, maniacal, and seems to truly relish the fear he causes people. So, we build up this whole film with him getting the best of Batman, Falcone, and almost kills Rachel Dawes. BOOM!

It's climax time, and now we get to see Batman fight....Qui Gon Jinn? Wait...he...he's Ra's? OK. That's fine. Sure, Nolan just parachuted this guy into the fucking film, out of nowhere, and we're supposed to care about him now. He's been out of the entire 2nd act, a good chunk of the 3rd, and we're just suppose to care. Anyways, it won't matter, Batman'll deal with Schindler, and the brawl between The Dark Knight and Scarecrow will beg...wait, what the hell?! A tazer?! A FUCKING TAZER?! RACHEL DAWES?! That's it?! He's riding around like a total bad-ass, imposing fear and other no-goodness, being one-up on EVERYONE throughout the entire film and he just takes a tazer to the face?! It's some of the most pathetic and lazy writing I've ever seen. I was shocked when I saw this. Well, it doesn't matter, does it? Because the guy from Taken teleported into the 3rd act out of nowhere, is mad because Batman burnt abode, and wants to rumble. Oh, wait, you don't care because he was thrown in here with about as much care as an Ed Wood or Uwe Boll film.

The Direction. Who loves a fight scene? Yup, everyone. Who watches a Batman film to see him deal with problems by using words? No one, same here. I like watching Batman beat the hell out of bad guys. Christopher Nolan assumes that we do not, because for almost EVERY fight scene we see with Batman it's like Nolan put the camera lens directly into Batman's chest, hits record, and watches the magic happen. A couple flashes of light that creep out of blackness, making sure no body parts, or their discernible person is identified. They're a fucking mess. It's clear they're a mess because there's nothing like that in the also overrated Dark Knight. The only clear fights we get are the two between Batman and Ra's, in the beginning, and the end. Two of which we don't care that much about, because in the beginning he isn't a villain until all of a sudden he is, and in the end, the parachute. Also, why do ninjas just have a fireworks room? How stupid was that?

The Script. Again, the seriousness that Nolan put on this film hurts the script, because how stupid were the one-liners? Here's Batman, trying to be the utmost example of fear. The greatest representation of why not only the innocent, but the evil fear the dark, and he's saying crap like "nice coat!". Or we have Batman letting Gordon run the Batmobile and he says "I gotta get one of these!" Oh ho ho! Or Bruce's "does it come in black?", because you know, Batman wears black! Who wrote these goddamn lines, Vin Diesel? I love a great one-liner, but they have their place. They belong coming out of Arnold's mouth after he's smoked some baddies, or Stallone when he's faced down by a couple thousand Russians. But in a dead-serious film like this? Who's Batman gonna call? A couple of friends! He then hits his stupid shoe button and a thousand bats come out of nowhere. ARE YOU KIDDING?

In a more recent episode of "South Park," Stan is diagnosed with a condition known as a "cynical asshole". Most people who watch movies, TV, wrestling, read books or comics, or do anything in life all seem to just bitch, and bitch. I try not to do that, unless it's something I'm real focused on, such as this film. However, I can still great things about it.

Cillian Murphy's performance as Scarecrow was fantastic. He was smarmy, conniving, and seemed to get a real sense of joy from all his evil. Oldman was great as Gordon. But when isn't Oldman great, really? I loved the Batsuit, the Batarangs, and the way they explained all of Batman's protection and gadgets for the real world. The atmosphere was excellent, and almost made Gotham City seem like it was haunted. Great stuff. I loved the path that Bruce took. To become a criminal to understand them, then training as a ninja. The whole ninja aspect was brilliant, because that's what I've always thought Batman truly was.

But in the end, these pluses were all ants to the major elephants in the room that were all the glaring mistakes.

And God, was that Batman voice stupid.

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12:35PM on 08/21/2012

What?!

For an Unpopular Opinion this one is quite bad. I think you best stick to day-time cartoons, leave whatever you think you know about feature film analysis behind you.
For an Unpopular Opinion this one is quite bad. I think you best stick to day-time cartoons, leave whatever you think you know about feature film analysis behind you.
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10:23AM on 01/02/2012
This article almost made me as angry as the godfather one did...almost
This article almost made me as angry as the godfather one did...almost
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1:03PM on 12/12/2011

Dear Austen,

I wrote the "Bridesmaids" Unpopular Opinion, and do understand that the fanboys/fangirls of each movie featured on this column will jump down your throat for anything they disagree (I was "nitpicking" because I think continuity is a good thing). More importantly, I too fucking despise 'Batman Begins', and find it's praise to be unfounded; I also don't care for 'TDK', but that's a different story.

With all that being said, this article is shit. It's poorly written, with no connections from
I wrote the "Bridesmaids" Unpopular Opinion, and do understand that the fanboys/fangirls of each movie featured on this column will jump down your throat for anything they disagree (I was "nitpicking" because I think continuity is a good thing). More importantly, I too fucking despise 'Batman Begins', and find it's praise to be unfounded; I also don't care for 'TDK', but that's a different story.

With all that being said, this article is shit. It's poorly written, with no connections from one grievance to the others. It is mostly nitpicking- you must always have a certain amount of "suspension of disbelief" when watching anything, no matter how real it wants to be. After all, a movie is meant to entertain, and that means changing/ ignoring laws or logic.

Your point about the Scarecrow is dead on, but how did you miss one of the biggest issues of the film? The farmer that Bruce is meant to kill to complete his training is left to die. Bruce fights the league to save this poor farmer's life, and when he blows up the compound, Bruce only saves Ra's. This just so happens to render not only that fight pointless, but every moral stance Bruce takes as hollow. It's a huge oversight of the filmmakers, and along with the terribly cloying, insulting dialogue, makes Bruce Wayne/Batman impossible to root for.
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11:57PM on 12/09/2011

No

Batman Begins was better than The Dark Knight. Everything about Batman Begins made sense. The Dark Knight had the batcycle emerging from the batmobile when it was totaled. That didn't make sense. Nor did it make sense when the police handed Batman evidence to analyze, as if he could testify in court later. And doesn't The Joker have constitutional rights? How would you like to be questioned by Batman? Four words: "I want a lawyer".
Batman Begins was better than The Dark Knight. Everything about Batman Begins made sense. The Dark Knight had the batcycle emerging from the batmobile when it was totaled. That didn't make sense. Nor did it make sense when the police handed Batman evidence to analyze, as if he could testify in court later. And doesn't The Joker have constitutional rights? How would you like to be questioned by Batman? Four words: "I want a lawyer".
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10:00PM on 12/10/2011
Somebody gave me a thumbs down but, hey, BB was the better movie overall. The article above was nit picking but you don't have to nit pick with TDK. There were a lot of things that didn't make sense: I didn't even talk about the ending. (There was no evidence linking batman to Dent's crimes so why would people be chasing Batman at the end?) BB and TDK were both good movies but BB was the better of the two.
Somebody gave me a thumbs down but, hey, BB was the better movie overall. The article above was nit picking but you don't have to nit pick with TDK. There were a lot of things that didn't make sense: I didn't even talk about the ending. (There was no evidence linking batman to Dent's crimes so why would people be chasing Batman at the end?) BB and TDK were both good movies but BB was the better of the two.
10:17AM on 01/02/2012
you must be like 14 years old right? didnt you listen to the final wayne speech? batman took responsibility for dents crimes so dents legacy could be left unscathed...idiot
you must be like 14 years old right? didnt you listen to the final wayne speech? batman took responsibility for dents crimes so dents legacy could be left unscathed...idiot
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5:24AM on 12/09/2011
I do agree that the film is overrated and I don't really watch it that much anymore, mostly because I have the Dark Knight; which is better but has similar flaws. All the parts at the beginning, trying to get the audience involved, don't feel like they have great pacing. We do all this stuff in montages; the training sequence, other parts. Both movies have two long and confusingly edited chase sequences that divert time away from what otherwise would have been better action sequences. We know
I do agree that the film is overrated and I don't really watch it that much anymore, mostly because I have the Dark Knight; which is better but has similar flaws. All the parts at the beginning, trying to get the audience involved, don't feel like they have great pacing. We do all this stuff in montages; the training sequence, other parts. Both movies have two long and confusingly edited chase sequences that divert time away from what otherwise would have been better action sequences. We know Batman is supposed to have ninja training but we can't really see him use it. The Dark Knight makes up for it by having Heath Ledger and Aaron Ekhart, but the set piece moments all try to do too much. They try to be 'big' but they're not 'good.' The shot photography is too shaky and the fights. Oh boy. Batman fighting dogs. Woopie. He's supposed to be fighting freaking super-villains and yet his fights with Scarecrow and the Joker take less time than it takes to even get invested in the fight. Aren't these battles supposed to be elaborate and grand? Aren't these villains suppose to be able to sweep the floor with Batman because they're fucking insane? What does the Joker fight Batman with? A crowbar. Seriously? Batman can survive an exploding car wreck and you bring a crowbar? Get a gun! And I agree that Scarecrow got shafted and that annoyed me because me and my friends are al HUGE Cillian Murphy fans. In every other movie he's in, he kicks ass (with the exception of Inception where he just talks.) PLEASE let Dark Knight Rises give the Scarecrow a good one-up, please let it be great.
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3:34AM on 12/09/2011
I do agree that Scarecrow was pretty much shrugged off at the end of Batman Begins. Initially I had hoped that maybe they were building towards him having a bigger role in the next Batman film, but we all know how that turned out. I do however disagree with you about the fight scenes. I think the direction used by Nolan here was very much in sync with this type of Batman story. Nolan specifically made the fight scenes in the film this way because Batman isn't just supposed be a guy knocking
I do agree that Scarecrow was pretty much shrugged off at the end of Batman Begins. Initially I had hoped that maybe they were building towards him having a bigger role in the next Batman film, but we all know how that turned out. I do however disagree with you about the fight scenes. I think the direction used by Nolan here was very much in sync with this type of Batman story. Nolan specifically made the fight scenes in the film this way because Batman isn't just supposed be a guy knocking heads. That would completely go against his learning of how to "become more than just a man". The fight scenes have an inhuman quality to them. I would imagine fighting Batman at night would have that effect. He is after all supposed to instill fear in his enemies. And what's scarier than fighting something you can't quite make out what it is or see what it's doing? And no, Batman Begins isn't perfect, but at least someone is trying to give Batman the treatment he deserves. I really appreciate Nolan rescuing Batman from the clutches of Schumacher's cinematic shambles of the mid to late 90s. I'm good without the rubber butt shots.
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2:10AM on 12/09/2011
I don't know. Me personally highly enjoyed this film along with it's follow up. In the article I will agree that some of the flaws and issues pertaining to the film is worth of being noted, but does that mean it's a weak or less of a film? Not really. All films, and I mean all films have their good, their bad, their bullshit moments, and their mesmerizing moments. Should a film be looked at for those individual moments? No. They should be looked at as a whole and for what they are as a package
I don't know. Me personally highly enjoyed this film along with it's follow up. In the article I will agree that some of the flaws and issues pertaining to the film is worth of being noted, but does that mean it's a weak or less of a film? Not really. All films, and I mean all films have their good, their bad, their bullshit moments, and their mesmerizing moments. Should a film be looked at for those individual moments? No. They should be looked at as a whole and for what they are as a package ordeal. And Begins was entertaining, interesting of a take on the Batman mythology. I am by no means a Nolan fanboy but I have enjoyed his work thus far and think he has done some amazing things with his movies.

I personally can not wait for his closing take on this beloved series, I think this is where we will see Batman shine through. And honestly...I thought it nice and refreshing to see Bruce's side of the mask more than Batman's side of the mask in a film. All films pretty much relied heavily on the Batman portion and through Bruce in there for simple need to do so.

And one more thing. Look at Begins, then look at Forever (which wasn't all that bad) then look at Batman & Robin with their nipples and disgusting story line. Tim Burton first, Nolan second in the Batman world.
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1:35AM on 12/09/2011

One fact...

If you don't like 'Batman Begins' or 'The Dark Knight', then you simply do not like the Batman mythos. Too serious?! Perhaps the campy 60's version might be more your speed? Batman IS dark and serious, for Cthulhu's sake he first appeared with a GUN in his arsenal.
If you don't like 'Batman Begins' or 'The Dark Knight', then you simply do not like the Batman mythos. Too serious?! Perhaps the campy 60's version might be more your speed? Batman IS dark and serious, for Cthulhu's sake he first appeared with a GUN in his arsenal.
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5:27AM on 12/09/2011
I don't really buy your argument. Its not a matter of dark/light. Its a matter of presentation. And both films' editing and pacing have certain flaws that disrupt other parts of the film.
I don't really buy your argument. Its not a matter of dark/light. Its a matter of presentation. And both films' editing and pacing have certain flaws that disrupt other parts of the film.
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10:17PM on 12/08/2011
I always thought this was a mediocre film. Saw it once in the theater and thought it was only worth one more re-watch when it came out on blu-ray. Good to know I am not the only one with these thoughts.
I always thought this was a mediocre film. Saw it once in the theater and thought it was only worth one more re-watch when it came out on blu-ray. Good to know I am not the only one with these thoughts.
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10:01PM on 12/08/2011
Don't neccesarily agree with everything. I actually think Batman Begins is a superior film to The Dark Knight in which I had some of the same problems watching that film you did with Begins. Batman has zero screen presence in TDK. Begins on the other hand, is a pretty damn entertaining Batman flick. Just my opinion.
Don't neccesarily agree with everything. I actually think Batman Begins is a superior film to The Dark Knight in which I had some of the same problems watching that film you did with Begins. Batman has zero screen presence in TDK. Begins on the other hand, is a pretty damn entertaining Batman flick. Just my opinion.
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9:29PM on 12/08/2011
Another no talent hack writer trying to stir up some activity. Between that and all the god damn ads on this site... TESTICLES. That is all.
Another no talent hack writer trying to stir up some activity. Between that and all the god damn ads on this site... TESTICLES. That is all.
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7:45PM on 12/08/2011
With all the mediocre to awful comic book films out there, I don't know how anyone can dislike Batman Begins. Its my favorite comic book film. The one Batman film that truely explores Wayne's psyche and motivation. He is a great character and deserved to get developed in this film. I also like how Nolan used smaller villians from the comics, which left more focus on Bruce. He did a goof job establishing his own universe first, and not using a villian already used. And I like how Scarecrow was
With all the mediocre to awful comic book films out there, I don't know how anyone can dislike Batman Begins. Its my favorite comic book film. The one Batman film that truely explores Wayne's psyche and motivation. He is a great character and deserved to get developed in this film. I also like how Nolan used smaller villians from the comics, which left more focus on Bruce. He did a goof job establishing his own universe first, and not using a villian already used. And I like how Scarecrow was promoted as the main villian, but it was really Ra's. Every other comic book movie promotes the villian, so we know what to expect. This was the only movie that surprised me when the villian was revealed. I can understand why some people might not like it, but it was a modern masterpiece for me.
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7:32PM on 12/08/2011
I'm loving all these blind fanboy comments. Just proves so many points in your article it makes me chuckle.

First off, you need to learn when you're SUPPOSED to use the word "Supposed" as opposed to "Suppose". Nail that and a few other grammatical and spelling errors (most of which I found in the first paragraph) and you'll have a respectable article here.

However, I am not a fan of Nolan's Batman. Never have been. Batman was my favorite "Superhero" until Nolan got hold of him. Honestly a
I'm loving all these blind fanboy comments. Just proves so many points in your article it makes me chuckle.

First off, you need to learn when you're SUPPOSED to use the word "Supposed" as opposed to "Suppose". Nail that and a few other grammatical and spelling errors (most of which I found in the first paragraph) and you'll have a respectable article here.

However, I am not a fan of Nolan's Batman. Never have been. Batman was my favorite "Superhero" until Nolan got hold of him. Honestly a lot of my hate comes from the blind fanboy aspect of people that say "Well it's a Chris Nolan film so it's great!" and don't take the time to look at the flaws. The fundamental flaws that make the entire movie ridiculous.

I still can't get over the fact that there is a movie out there where Batman is a ninja trained by Liam Neeson in China. Sorry but that's not Batman.

Let's not even get started on why The Dark Knight deserved about 1/3 of the praise it did...oh boy that's a whole other can of worms there.

Props for writing this article. If you proofread it, I might finish reading it.
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11:37AM on 12/09/2011
I like that you accuse me of being a know-it-all and yet you're giving a grammar lesson.
I like that you accuse me of being a know-it-all and yet you're giving a grammar lesson.
1:38PM on 12/09/2011
Ok, you go keep watching your stupid campy 60's Batman, or Burton's horrid Batman Returns.

Next you'll say Batman and Robin is your favorite. Why are you giving a grammar lesson?? I'm no grammar police, but you have sentences in your response that are missing commas, a sentence where you use "and" 3 times, "However" with a comma and then 4 periods WTF?
Ok, you go keep watching your stupid campy 60's Batman, or Burton's horrid Batman Returns.

Next you'll say Batman and Robin is your favorite. Why are you giving a grammar lesson?? I'm no grammar police, but you have sentences in your response that are missing commas, a sentence where you use "and" 3 times, "However" with a comma and then 4 periods WTF?
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6:54PM on 12/08/2011

What's the point of this?

I can understand these columns when the writers praise a movie that might not have gotten universal love. For instance, I really appreciated the fact that someone besides me liked "Hulk." Plus, when someone writes positively about an overlooked film, it gives readers an opportunity to check out a film they might have skipped out on because of the critical reception.

But what's the point of discrediting a film with universal appeal? All it does is piss people off. The film was loved. If you
I can understand these columns when the writers praise a movie that might not have gotten universal love. For instance, I really appreciated the fact that someone besides me liked "Hulk." Plus, when someone writes positively about an overlooked film, it gives readers an opportunity to check out a film they might have skipped out on because of the critical reception.

But what's the point of discrediting a film with universal appeal? All it does is piss people off. The film was loved. If you didn't love it, move on, and find something you enjoy. There's no point to dwell on the bad experiences.
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7:06PM on 12/08/2011
"If fifty million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing" - Bertrand Russell

If your best defense of the film is "everyone loves it so it must be good", maybe it's not so great after all.
"If fifty million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing" - Bertrand Russell

If your best defense of the film is "everyone loves it so it must be good", maybe it's not so great after all.
1:26AM on 12/09/2011
I'm not defending "Batman Begins." My post was toward the column in general. There are two categories that categorize the Unpopular Opinion. There are the movies that are generally loved (in which case the columnist writes a negative review), and there are the ones dismissed by the majority (in which case the review is a positive one). I was just saying that I don't see the purpose in attacking loved films like "Batman Begins." For those of us who have seen it, the good and bad has already been
I'm not defending "Batman Begins." My post was toward the column in general. There are two categories that categorize the Unpopular Opinion. There are the movies that are generally loved (in which case the columnist writes a negative review), and there are the ones dismissed by the majority (in which case the review is a positive one). I was just saying that I don't see the purpose in attacking loved films like "Batman Begins." For those of us who have seen it, the good and bad has already been discussed. And for those who haven't seen it, this article shouldn't discourage them from doing so. So then what becomes the purpose of the article besides pissing people off?
6:27AM on 12/09/2011
If people get pissed off because some other people don't like the same movie they do..well..I dunno. These people have some issues in life and should maybe seek some professional help!
And the point of the UNpopular Opinion is JUST THAT, an UNPOPULAR opinion. That's what it's about.
If people get pissed off because some other people don't like the same movie they do..well..I dunno. These people have some issues in life and should maybe seek some professional help!
And the point of the UNpopular Opinion is JUST THAT, an UNPOPULAR opinion. That's what it's about.
9:07AM on 12/09/2011
The point of the series is to give differing opinions from the general consensus. I find it enormously refreshing - I may not agree with every stance taken, but it's great to hear different viewpoints argued.

What's the harm?
The point of the series is to give differing opinions from the general consensus. I find it enormously refreshing - I may not agree with every stance taken, but it's great to hear different viewpoints argued.

What's the harm?
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6:29PM on 12/08/2011
I don't think this movie is great or near Nolan's best. I would tend to blame the studio or Goyer for the bad one liners, but that's me. I like the serious tone, I truly don't think it would be at all acceptable for all comic movies, but the comics of Batman that I have liked have all been dark where he has been dancing on the edge of resorting to exterminating the bad guys, which is why the Dark Knight works so well.
However I wouldn't worry your pretty little head about it, four years from
I don't think this movie is great or near Nolan's best. I would tend to blame the studio or Goyer for the bad one liners, but that's me. I like the serious tone, I truly don't think it would be at all acceptable for all comic movies, but the comics of Batman that I have liked have all been dark where he has been dancing on the edge of resorting to exterminating the bad guys, which is why the Dark Knight works so well.
However I wouldn't worry your pretty little head about it, four years from now a different trilogy will be emerging with a new actor and a different director, and the tone will annoy the fuck out of me and you'll love it.
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6:17PM on 12/08/2011
Agree with some of your points, although I do think Batman Begins is by far the better Nolan Batfilm.

The main flaw with this film is indeed the weak villain, but I've always forgiven that as the focus is really on Wayne in this one. Still, a less insipid baddie would have helped.

That ninja shit in the snow is also completely out of place and feels like a different film. Pretty misjudged.

I could go on about the often stilted dialogue, weak female lead, and horrible action, but
Agree with some of your points, although I do think Batman Begins is by far the better Nolan Batfilm.

The main flaw with this film is indeed the weak villain, but I've always forgiven that as the focus is really on Wayne in this one. Still, a less insipid baddie would have helped.

That ninja shit in the snow is also completely out of place and feels like a different film. Pretty misjudged.

I could go on about the often stilted dialogue, weak female lead, and horrible action, but that's been covered elsewhere.

I actually think Batman Begins managed to tread the line between fantasy and faux realism quite nicely. Gotham felt like a fantasy world, but there was just enough "logic" to everything to make it seem semi-plausible. This is where Dark Knight fails - the world feels completely real, so anything fantastical or comic book just ends up looking like a glaring plot hole. The film doesn't actually make any fucking sense.

But still, well done for writing this. The Nolan cultists are out in force I see. It's a shame to see such an average storyteller and derivative filmmaker gets this kind of devotion.
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4:39PM on 12/08/2011

Stop trying so hard

Take the film for what it is. It raised the bar for super hero films all together. showing production companies that superhero movies don't have to be so flaky. Its a superhero movie with no expectations of winning an Oscar. its not meant to be Citizen Kane, or Gone with the wind. On a side note, if batman were to fight a weak character as scarecrow, its not believable that it would be climatic.
Take the film for what it is. It raised the bar for super hero films all together. showing production companies that superhero movies don't have to be so flaky. Its a superhero movie with no expectations of winning an Oscar. its not meant to be Citizen Kane, or Gone with the wind. On a side note, if batman were to fight a weak character as scarecrow, its not believable that it would be climatic.
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4:22PM on 12/08/2011
Oh look, more predictable and unnecessary shock journalism. I still don't understand the point of tearing down great films for the sake of getting a discussion going. IMO, the "UNpopular opinion" posts should give credit to movies who maybe were unfairly ripped or passed over on their release. Not to take movies we love and make these HUGE REACHES just to try to poke and prod fans of the movie in hopes that 60-70 will be annoyed enough to reply.
Oh look, more predictable and unnecessary shock journalism. I still don't understand the point of tearing down great films for the sake of getting a discussion going. IMO, the "UNpopular opinion" posts should give credit to movies who maybe were unfairly ripped or passed over on their release. Not to take movies we love and make these HUGE REACHES just to try to poke and prod fans of the movie in hopes that 60-70 will be annoyed enough to reply.
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4:09PM on 12/08/2011

Lousy Filmmaking

You're pointing out a few flaws, yes, but I don't think anything that takes away from the film as a whole. Scarecrow is taken out by a taser. He's not superhuman, but I guess that supports your dislike for the realism. Ra's comes back in the end, but he didn't parachute into the film. He's been in the background of the main plot, still very much a part of the main plot. Gordon's line on wanting a Tumbler is bad. I'll agree with you there, but the "Does it come in black?" line worked for
You're pointing out a few flaws, yes, but I don't think anything that takes away from the film as a whole. Scarecrow is taken out by a taser. He's not superhuman, but I guess that supports your dislike for the realism. Ra's comes back in the end, but he didn't parachute into the film. He's been in the background of the main plot, still very much a part of the main plot. Gordon's line on wanting a Tumbler is bad. I'll agree with you there, but the "Does it come in black?" line worked for me and the film is filled with other good lines, like "I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you." It's classic. For the extreme close-up fights... Scorsese said it best: "Cinema is a matter of what's in the frame and what's out." Not everything is meant to be seen, even in a film. Because it's not there, doesn't mean it's lousy filmmaking.
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3:46PM on 12/08/2011
It's not a bad film but it certainly didn't deserve all the praise it got either. Of course, anything made after something like Batman and Robin would be praised to high heaven regardless if it deserved it or not. The only reason I give this any praise is cause it gave us the Dark Knight which was quite awesome.
It's not a bad film but it certainly didn't deserve all the praise it got either. Of course, anything made after something like Batman and Robin would be praised to high heaven regardless if it deserved it or not. The only reason I give this any praise is cause it gave us the Dark Knight which was quite awesome.
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3:45PM on 12/08/2011
Thank you...

I've been saying for years that while Batman Begins and TDK are prob the best DC movies, they are far from being perfect or anywhere near as good as they say.

Really, these movies should be fun. There are far too many scenes of philosophical wonderings and random "ass kicking" sounds coming from shadows or from off screen for me. I want an adaptation more along the lines of the Arkham games.

Great article!
Thank you...

I've been saying for years that while Batman Begins and TDK are prob the best DC movies, they are far from being perfect or anywhere near as good as they say.

Really, these movies should be fun. There are far too many scenes of philosophical wonderings and random "ass kicking" sounds coming from shadows or from off screen for me. I want an adaptation more along the lines of the Arkham games.

Great article!
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6:03PM on 12/08/2011
That's why Schumacher gave you Batman and Robin.
That's why Schumacher gave you Batman and Robin.
3:33PM on 12/08/2011
The only thing I agree with is the one liners. But they are so few and far in between that they aren't more then just minor annoyances. Ras Al Ghul never dropped out of the film. The whole second act Scarecrow and the mob mention a secret partner that ships the fear toxin. Of course, we aren't supposed to know it' Ras, but once he and The League of Shadows shows up at the end it's hardly out of left field because they had been building up this mystery supplier the whole movie. The only truly
The only thing I agree with is the one liners. But they are so few and far in between that they aren't more then just minor annoyances. Ras Al Ghul never dropped out of the film. The whole second act Scarecrow and the mob mention a secret partner that ships the fear toxin. Of course, we aren't supposed to know it' Ras, but once he and The League of Shadows shows up at the end it's hardly out of left field because they had been building up this mystery supplier the whole movie. The only truly bad fight scene was the short one with a bunch looney's in the Narrow's. Sure, the fights aren't incredibly choreographed, but I don't think they're as bad as people make them out to be.
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3:28PM on 12/08/2011
This article reeks of trying too hard.
This article reeks of trying too hard.
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3:25PM on 12/08/2011

Yes, it's as good as you remember

I didn't like how easy Scarecrow was dispatched either, but it goes with his chracter, that he's really just a guy with a hallucinogen that can be dispatched with a taser.
The seriousness of this film was like a revelation after the campy bullshit of the last few Batman films. It was necessary and honored the character, despite the perfucntory one-liners. This is Batman, not Deadpool. It's material that's supposed to be serious.
I didn't like how easy Scarecrow was dispatched either, but it goes with his chracter, that he's really just a guy with a hallucinogen that can be dispatched with a taser.
The seriousness of this film was like a revelation after the campy bullshit of the last few Batman films. It was necessary and honored the character, despite the perfucntory one-liners. This is Batman, not Deadpool. It's material that's supposed to be serious.
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3:11PM on 12/08/2011
umm ya i stopped reading after seeing the names Uwe Boll & Ed Wood, what a crock of an article, typical fanboy bullshit.
umm ya i stopped reading after seeing the names Uwe Boll & Ed Wood, what a crock of an article, typical fanboy bullshit.
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2:47PM on 12/08/2011
Hey can you use his real name Liam Neeson and the guy from Taken, Schindlers List or The A Team or whatever, it's fucking annoying
Hey can you use his real name Liam Neeson and the guy from Taken, Schindlers List or The A Team or whatever, it's fucking annoying
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2:37PM on 12/08/2011
Finally! Someone who gets how bad a movie Batman Begins is.
I've been saying the same things about this movie since I first walked out of the theater a couple years ago with my silly friends who thought it was great.
At least most of them have come around and admitted that it really wasn't that good a Batman movie.
Finally! Someone who gets how bad a movie Batman Begins is.
I've been saying the same things about this movie since I first walked out of the theater a couple years ago with my silly friends who thought it was great.
At least most of them have come around and admitted that it really wasn't that good a Batman movie.
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6:04PM on 12/08/2011
I guess after your constant nagging on the movie, your friends just faked their disdain to keep you happy.
I guess after your constant nagging on the movie, your friends just faked their disdain to keep you happy.
7:40PM on 12/08/2011
I love how this "horrorfan23" guy is an expert on your life, your mind, your actions, your friends' lives, minds and actions, and has apparently been stalking you for 6 years because he knows everything about you.

Don't you just love the fucking internet where everyone is an expert on everyone else's life?
I love how this "horrorfan23" guy is an expert on your life, your mind, your actions, your friends' lives, minds and actions, and has apparently been stalking you for 6 years because he knows everything about you.

Don't you just love the fucking internet where everyone is an expert on everyone else's life?
6:19AM on 12/09/2011
So it was horrorfan23 stalking me all these years? Well who would've thought!
Now if I could only find out which one of those Nolan preachers is the closet creeper that hides in my room...
But seriously, most of my friends actually changed their minds on Begins, because, well, they now ACTUALLY think it's not that great. Even bad in some cases. Yes, B-A-D.
So it was horrorfan23 stalking me all these years? Well who would've thought!
Now if I could only find out which one of those Nolan preachers is the closet creeper that hides in my room...
But seriously, most of my friends actually changed their minds on Begins, because, well, they now ACTUALLY think it's not that great. Even bad in some cases. Yes, B-A-D.
11:41AM on 12/09/2011
Gotta love Brian's attempts to teach grammar as well.
Gotta love Brian's attempts to teach grammar as well.
2:37PM on 12/08/2011
Hey you wanna know why we should care about "that taken guy" just coming in at the end... because he's the guy who taught Bruce Wayne to be Batman, to strike fear into the hearts of his enemies. He was a great friend and mentor in the short time he was used... then all of the sudden at the end he pops back up and turns out he's everything Batman is fighting against and you should be able to feel what Bruce feels in having to take down his mentor. The one liners... give me a break man they
Hey you wanna know why we should care about "that taken guy" just coming in at the end... because he's the guy who taught Bruce Wayne to be Batman, to strike fear into the hearts of his enemies. He was a great friend and mentor in the short time he was used... then all of the sudden at the end he pops back up and turns out he's everything Batman is fighting against and you should be able to feel what Bruce feels in having to take down his mentor. The one liners... give me a break man they weren't that bad. The fight scenes were done that way to make you feel like you were in the fight with Batman and I sure as hell say thats what it felt like even if I would have gone a different way myself. The spotlight thing yeah maybe he would be dead, considering what type of spotlight was used and when it was turned on he might have just been very burnt but who cares man its a movie. The only thing I'll give you all the way is Scarecrow getting the shaft at the end by going out in such a punk way... but lets face it Scarecrow is kind of a punk.

Sometimes these articles are good and I can respect someones opinion on a movie but damn I just feel like there is too much nitpicking in here. I mean if you watch every movie ready to pick out stupid little things like this I really don't see how you like any movie.
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2:40PM on 12/08/2011
Oh and I forgot about the swarm of bats, yeah I'm not gonna pretend I know enough about bats to say that is possible but it seems pretty logical that they would come to a sonar pulse emitted anywhere near them... just sayin.
Oh and I forgot about the swarm of bats, yeah I'm not gonna pretend I know enough about bats to say that is possible but it seems pretty logical that they would come to a sonar pulse emitted anywhere near them... just sayin.
7:02PM on 12/08/2011
"Several bats also have audible screech calls, which attract
conspecifics (...)"

- Airas, M. Echolocation in bats, HUT, Laboratory of Acoustics and Audio Signal Processing.
"Several bats also have audible screech calls, which attract
conspecifics (...)"

- Airas, M. Echolocation in bats, HUT, Laboratory of Acoustics and Audio Signal Processing.
2:02PM on 12/08/2011

Fight Scenes

My biggest problem was the extreme close-up fight scenes, like he was a swarm of bats. But I still love Batman (1989) the most, sorry Dark Knight
My biggest problem was the extreme close-up fight scenes, like he was a swarm of bats. But I still love Batman (1989) the most, sorry Dark Knight
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1:50PM on 12/08/2011
Are there editors or proofreaders for this section? Or a spellcheck button?
Are there editors or proofreaders for this section? Or a spellcheck button?
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1:45PM on 12/08/2011

No doubt about it...

While I don't agree with most of the criticisms in this piece, I do agree with the main point, this movie was a major let down, and undeserving of praise as a success. There's not denying the effort and intention, and it would have been sweet if it could have worked, but it didn't.
While I don't agree with most of the criticisms in this piece, I do agree with the main point, this movie was a major let down, and undeserving of praise as a success. There's not denying the effort and intention, and it would have been sweet if it could have worked, but it didn't.
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1:44PM on 12/08/2011
It sounds like this guy's favorite villain is Scarecrow and he is upset that he was bested by Katie Holmes with a taser.
It sounds like this guy's favorite villain is Scarecrow and he is upset that he was bested by Katie Holmes with a taser.
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1:41PM on 12/08/2011
I do agree on many of these points. Though I also enjoyed Batman begins better than Dark Knight as other pointed out, due to more focus on batman, I agree with the horrible fight direction, the misuse of scare crow in the climax and the silly one liners. I know they wanted to bring that homeless man back in to remind us of the journey he has partaken in, but that line was corney and then batman grappling into thin air bothered me too. I like a lot more things than I dont in the movie, but
I do agree on many of these points. Though I also enjoyed Batman begins better than Dark Knight as other pointed out, due to more focus on batman, I agree with the horrible fight direction, the misuse of scare crow in the climax and the silly one liners. I know they wanted to bring that homeless man back in to remind us of the journey he has partaken in, but that line was corney and then batman grappling into thin air bothered me too. I like a lot more things than I dont in the movie, but The movie did have its gaping holes The microwave emitter can be argued as there is no PURE water base in our bodies and it has far too many minerals and mixtures in it that the emitter may have been designed to evaporate a certain level of water. In the summer you can drop water on cement in which is evaporates or you can roast an egg if its hot enough yet we still remain intact. this is because of all the other build up of minerals we consist of that keep that balance. We arent just walking water bowls with bones and meat lol. The level the emitter was set to was definately not at the high density level that could penetrate the fortitude of human strucure in order to pin point the exact H2o base in our bodies. It's arguable. I agree with the falcone spot light being corny as well as the miscasting of Ra's as I've always seen him middle eastern like. The guy from that horrible movie "The Last Airbender" would have been perfect. Aang's uncle in that movie. Anyway...one day I hope I do get to see the ultimate Batman movie that nails it all. All the Batman movies seem to have one problem...they get confused on whether they want to be based on a real world or a fantastical one with exaggerated feats and action. Burton (almost a good balance but a little too campy at times), Shumacher (too campy yet wanted to have elements of seriousness here and there but failed), Nolan (very realistic, but had too many campy moments that become laughable in a movie that hones itself on realism) Take out all the one liners and shoot better action scenes, scarecrow with a better climactic scene, and you'd have had a perfect movie
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1:33PM on 12/08/2011

Pfft...

Next you'll be telling us that BATMAN & ROBIN is an under-appreciated masterpiece.
Next you'll be telling us that BATMAN & ROBIN is an under-appreciated masterpiece.
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1:33PM on 12/08/2011
Being a huge Batman fan since I've been 2... loving all the movies, tv shows, cartoons, etc... I do think Batman Begins was by far THE WORST! Its easy to say Batman and Robin was bad but atleast it was fun! Batman Begins was BORING! Batman with no Batcave? Drives a piece of military equipment? The main villain is Ra's Al Ghul... who? I remember seeing it opening night and could not wait for it to end! I have watched everything Batman hundreds of times each but have never watched this film for
Being a huge Batman fan since I've been 2... loving all the movies, tv shows, cartoons, etc... I do think Batman Begins was by far THE WORST! Its easy to say Batman and Robin was bad but atleast it was fun! Batman Begins was BORING! Batman with no Batcave? Drives a piece of military equipment? The main villain is Ra's Al Ghul... who? I remember seeing it opening night and could not wait for it to end! I have watched everything Batman hundreds of times each but have never watched this film for the second time!
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2:11PM on 12/08/2011
so you like the gay campy batman? Batman and Robin fun?? Wow, that is seriously one of the worst movies I've seen, it is so hard to watch.
so you like the gay campy batman? Batman and Robin fun?? Wow, that is seriously one of the worst movies I've seen, it is so hard to watch.
3:45PM on 12/08/2011
You think BATMAN & ROBIN was fun??? I bet you also enjoy shoving thumbtacks into your testicles.
You think BATMAN & ROBIN was fun??? I bet you also enjoy shoving thumbtacks into your testicles.
1:24PM on 12/08/2011

Scarecrow was Poorly used.

I do agree with you on every level that the Scarecrow was a great nemesis that was never properly used in Batman Begins or The Dark Knight.
I do agree with you on every level that the Scarecrow was a great nemesis that was never properly used in Batman Begins or The Dark Knight.
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1:23PM on 12/08/2011

Another one whoe doesn´t get the hype

Good one, I never shared that crazy love for this either. By taking the whole concept way too serious there was hardly any room for those over the top phantastic and fun moments. The editing (especially the fight scenes) were awful and the locations uninspired. However the cast was spot on (love Michael Caine as Alfred) and the script wasn´t bad either.
Good one, I never shared that crazy love for this either. By taking the whole concept way too serious there was hardly any room for those over the top phantastic and fun moments. The editing (especially the fight scenes) were awful and the locations uninspired. However the cast was spot on (love Michael Caine as Alfred) and the script wasn´t bad either.
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1:16PM on 12/08/2011

Say What?

Batman is a Samurai, not a Ninja. Have you never watched the animated series? :D
Batman is a Samurai, not a Ninja. Have you never watched the animated series? :D
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1:11PM on 12/08/2011
I think I'll agree with almost everyone hear when I say that this comes off as a nitpicking rant instead of a review. It's funny that you speak of lazy writing because that's what this comes off as... it seems like this movie wasn't catered to your personal tastes and that's what the rant is about.

I did however, agree with the rant on the scarecrow going down in a lackluster climax... but the rest are really hit or miss.
I think I'll agree with almost everyone hear when I say that this comes off as a nitpicking rant instead of a review. It's funny that you speak of lazy writing because that's what this comes off as... it seems like this movie wasn't catered to your personal tastes and that's what the rant is about.

I did however, agree with the rant on the scarecrow going down in a lackluster climax... but the rest are really hit or miss.
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2:40PM on 12/08/2011
Hey buddy, can't you read? This is the UNpopular Opinion. Not a review. It's the whole point of these articles.
Hey buddy, can't you read? This is the UNpopular Opinion. Not a review. It's the whole point of these articles.
6:07PM on 12/08/2011
John Matrix mad because you be mean to writer.
John Matrix mad because you be mean to writer.
6:08PM on 12/08/2011
Matrix, did you write this article? Because it would explain a lot about you.
Matrix, did you write this article? Because it would explain a lot about you.
12:57PM on 12/08/2011

I've seen them all!

Saw the first Burton film when I was 13. That was a pretty cool take, but seems corny now. Begins in my mind was a serious/real tone, but at the same time had the usual comic book monikers and I'm ok with that. Because, it's a Batman movie not a remake of Gone With the Wind. Also, I enjoy more about BB than TDK for some reason. Yeah I love a good fight scene as much as the next, but strategic story telling I ok once in a while too. Lastly, and no disrespect but check to make sure your spell
Saw the first Burton film when I was 13. That was a pretty cool take, but seems corny now. Begins in my mind was a serious/real tone, but at the same time had the usual comic book monikers and I'm ok with that. Because, it's a Batman movie not a remake of Gone With the Wind. Also, I enjoy more about BB than TDK for some reason. Yeah I love a good fight scene as much as the next, but strategic story telling I ok once in a while too. Lastly, and no disrespect but check to make sure your spell check isn't broken. After reading that article I feel compelled to answer the call to Joblo's search for new writers.
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11:11PM on 12/09/2011
"but strategic story telling I ok once in a while too."

-probably not a good time to agree with you about how the article was written when you go and type a sentence like that:) lol
"but strategic story telling I ok once in a while too."

-probably not a good time to agree with you about how the article was written when you go and type a sentence like that:) lol
12:55PM on 12/08/2011

worst unpopular opinion ever

worst unpopular opinion ever. and check your spelling...
worst unpopular opinion ever. and check your spelling...
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11:17PM on 12/09/2011
...and capitalize your "W" in worst...and capitalize your "A" in the word "and" which starts your next sentence. Grammar is just as important as spelling when proving a point about bad writing;)

It's hard for me to support you and stand behind your opinion when you're kind of doing the same thing:) lol
...and capitalize your "W" in worst...and capitalize your "A" in the word "and" which starts your next sentence. Grammar is just as important as spelling when proving a point about bad writing;)

It's hard for me to support you and stand behind your opinion when you're kind of doing the same thing:) lol
12:51PM on 12/08/2011
Alot of Liam Neeson hate it seems like. The only thing I agree with is how scarecrow went out I expected much more from that.
Alot of Liam Neeson hate it seems like. The only thing I agree with is how scarecrow went out I expected much more from that.
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12:38PM on 12/08/2011

heh heh-- FUN read...however...

...I think where Nolan actually missed the boat (for me--I can only speak for myself) --is that I just wanted a Batman story that was just more "plausible" -- not necessarily one that was as "realistic" as possible. I like to have some fantastical elements to it all, just have it make sense within the story and have a "solid story" to go along with it. As much as I love the Nolan films ( and no, they are not "perfet" films)--I would REALLY love to see a film version of Batman that goes along
...I think where Nolan actually missed the boat (for me--I can only speak for myself) --is that I just wanted a Batman story that was just more "plausible" -- not necessarily one that was as "realistic" as possible. I like to have some fantastical elements to it all, just have it make sense within the story and have a "solid story" to go along with it. As much as I love the Nolan films ( and no, they are not "perfet" films)--I would REALLY love to see a film version of Batman that goes along with Arkham City's take on the whole thing. Man, that game just GETS IT. That's a great Batman-- ( on a side note, the animated series seems to get things right and tell good stories more often than not, so Im not sure why the previous live-action outings couldnt be as good...but thats neither here nor there at this point:)
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12:23PM on 12/08/2011
No one cares about your poorly written opinion.

Seriously do you guys not have a spell check or grammar check? You are supposed to be a professional writer.
No one cares about your poorly written opinion.

Seriously do you guys not have a spell check or grammar check? You are supposed to be a professional writer.
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12:29PM on 12/08/2011
If you don't care about the opinion than why come to this site?


I for one love the Unpopular Opinion. It's one of my favorite columns on the site. Mike does need to check the grammar and spelling though. Sometimes I agree with it, sometimes I don't. I for one love Batman Begins, it's one of my favorite films from the last decade.
If you don't care about the opinion than why come to this site?


I for one love the Unpopular Opinion. It's one of my favorite columns on the site. Mike does need to check the grammar and spelling though. Sometimes I agree with it, sometimes I don't. I for one love Batman Begins, it's one of my favorite films from the last decade.
7:44PM on 12/08/2011
Fact is, people care even less about YOUR opinion. Which is why you're not writing for JoBlo.
Fact is, people care even less about YOUR opinion. Which is why you're not writing for JoBlo.
12:21PM on 12/08/2011
Apparently he missed the parts where Crane mentions his boss and mentions him coming to Gotham so Ras' appearance is not out of no where
Apparently he missed the parts where Crane mentions his boss and mentions him coming to Gotham so Ras' appearance is not out of no where
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12:11PM on 12/08/2011
I love this column, I really do. I don't mind seeing opinions that are totally off-base from what I think--after all, that's the entire point of the column, and it's good to have a little dissension. Promotes discourse, gets people thinking, I love it.

But wow, this one was poorly written. Mostly in the beginning, it cleared up in the second half of the article, but I'd definitely suggest proofreading.

Also, yeah, I really like Batman Begins, but it's not a fantastic film in my
I love this column, I really do. I don't mind seeing opinions that are totally off-base from what I think--after all, that's the entire point of the column, and it's good to have a little dissension. Promotes discourse, gets people thinking, I love it.

But wow, this one was poorly written. Mostly in the beginning, it cleared up in the second half of the article, but I'd definitely suggest proofreading.

Also, yeah, I really like Batman Begins, but it's not a fantastic film in my opinion. Just a really good one. But The Dark Knight is probably in my top 25 films ever made.
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12:07PM on 12/08/2011
I recently watched Batman begins after a long time and it made me realize how I much I loved the film even better then Dark Knight. Batman Begins is the definitive “batman” movie cause that’s exactly what it is, a film about batman and the man behind the mask. If you look at the Tim Burton films and the Joel Schumacher films they’re basically movies about the villains with batman in it. They delt more with the origins of the villains then the back story of Batman. Begins really changed that
I recently watched Batman begins after a long time and it made me realize how I much I loved the film even better then Dark Knight. Batman Begins is the definitive “batman” movie cause that’s exactly what it is, a film about batman and the man behind the mask. If you look at the Tim Burton films and the Joel Schumacher films they’re basically movies about the villains with batman in it. They delt more with the origins of the villains then the back story of Batman. Begins really changed that format up and I think it was the first time we got to see a film, not only solely based on Bruce Wayne and his journey to become Batman, but we all got to see the “why” and the “hows” of the man who dawned the cowl. When the Dark Knight came around it went back to the basic format of old times of having a film focus around the villain with Batman feeling somewhat a second hand character. I don’t think this is what Nolan was trying to do but it ended up that way, a lot of the credit goes to the writing and the incredible performance of the Joker. Begins isn’t a perfect film; there’s a lot of stuff wrong with it (the fight scenes being a major one and the one liners are cringe worthy but I think that has to do more with Goyer than Nolan ) but to me personally the pros out weight the cons on it. Nolan has made two awesome Batman movies so far and hopefully the third one is just as awesome but I am not heartbroken that Nolan isn’t coming back. His realism is a good take on the character but as much as it added to the bat mythos it took a lot away from it.
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12:00PM on 12/08/2011

The only thing worse

than this article is the poor grammar and spelling in it. Seriously you guys are getting sloppier and sloppier.
than this article is the poor grammar and spelling in it. Seriously you guys are getting sloppier and sloppier.
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11:59AM on 12/08/2011
that's why they are UNpopular
that's why they are UNpopular
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11:56AM on 12/08/2011

UNpopular column

Please JoBlo, for the love of god, stop with this column. Each one is worse than the last. You UNpopular opinion is getting even more unpopular with me. Please don't force me to go back AICN
Please JoBlo, for the love of god, stop with this column. Each one is worse than the last. You UNpopular opinion is getting even more unpopular with me. Please don't force me to go back AICN
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1:45PM on 12/08/2011
Why don't you just NOT read it? Problem: Solved.
Why don't you just NOT read it? Problem: Solved.
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11:55AM on 12/08/2011

You missed some major flaws

My problem with this article is you nitpick like crazy but skip over the bigger flaws. Like the microwave emitter that can instantaneously vaporize water within a few hundred yards, while forgetting that humans are mostly made up of water. I would've given that one to you if you had brought it up. Or MAYBE the fact that Nolan and crew didn't do their homework in simple name pronunciation of batmans smartest foe Ra's (Raysh not raaaz its a popular arabic name). If you brought up stuff like
My problem with this article is you nitpick like crazy but skip over the bigger flaws. Like the microwave emitter that can instantaneously vaporize water within a few hundred yards, while forgetting that humans are mostly made up of water. I would've given that one to you if you had brought it up. Or MAYBE the fact that Nolan and crew didn't do their homework in simple name pronunciation of batmans smartest foe Ra's (Raysh not raaaz its a popular arabic name). If you brought up stuff like that I might've enjoyed this unpopular opinion but it kinda fell flat. Try something ballsier next time. Do an UNpopular opinion on Raiders of the Lost Ark. That could be a fun read. Try to piss off your boss with that one.
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11:49AM on 12/08/2011
Whether I agree or not with the opinion displayed in this article is irrelevant. These UNpopular columns are the worst thing on Joblo. I haven't seen one that was properly written yet. They're all about nitpicking and little personal dislikes that have nothing to do with the quality of a movie. What is done in this column can be done with any movie. Take any film that you like or not, you'll be able, within a few seconds, to make it sound ridiculous. I'm still wating for a good UNpopular
Whether I agree or not with the opinion displayed in this article is irrelevant. These UNpopular columns are the worst thing on Joblo. I haven't seen one that was properly written yet. They're all about nitpicking and little personal dislikes that have nothing to do with the quality of a movie. What is done in this column can be done with any movie. Take any film that you like or not, you'll be able, within a few seconds, to make it sound ridiculous. I'm still wating for a good UNpopular opinion review. Until that happens, I'll just nitpick your bad reviewing.
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11:54AM on 12/08/2011
I like the idea of the column - but yes, you're right they're badly written.
I like the idea of the column - but yes, you're right they're badly written.
11:48AM on 12/08/2011
To be honest I see this movie as more of a BATMAN movie than the second. Gotham looks like Gotham rather than the vast shots of Chicago you get in the sequel.

I also think Batman acts more like himself in this film: he uses distraction/the darkness/fear etc. Unlike the second film when he simply walks into a full nightclub to beat the shit out of people...
To be honest I see this movie as more of a BATMAN movie than the second. Gotham looks like Gotham rather than the vast shots of Chicago you get in the sequel.

I also think Batman acts more like himself in this film: he uses distraction/the darkness/fear etc. Unlike the second film when he simply walks into a full nightclub to beat the shit out of people...
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11:46AM on 12/08/2011
Honestly speaking out here, I watched this film for the first time in a few years about 2 weeks ago. I saw this opening day 2005. I was 14. I am now 21. This film is terribly dated "looking" and "feeling" already in comparison to something like TDK, nevermind the other issues pointed out.

One of the most glaring flaws about the film's progression really is the fact that, while menacing and brooding, it now almost seems to have transcended to the level of self parody. It doesn't have the
Honestly speaking out here, I watched this film for the first time in a few years about 2 weeks ago. I saw this opening day 2005. I was 14. I am now 21. This film is terribly dated "looking" and "feeling" already in comparison to something like TDK, nevermind the other issues pointed out.

One of the most glaring flaws about the film's progression really is the fact that, while menacing and brooding, it now almost seems to have transcended to the level of self parody. It doesn't have the "badass" edge to it anymore. It just feels silly. I would like the TDKR to reinvigorate the inner child in all of us and make us excited about Batman again though.

But I believe the main flaw is that I've grown up. I still love the character and the lore. It's more or less the handling of the subject matter that just doesn't gel (with me at least) anymore. That's fine if you disagree, but because someone has voiced an opinion different to yours doesn't mean you should attempt to assassinate their character because you can't accept that someone thinks differently than you, especially if they can substantiate their feelings within the context of the discussion

I find this column always refreshing because it doesn't neccesarily conform to the hivemind attitudes on the internet. That doesn't always mean I agree with the articles posted, but I love reading different points of view.
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11:42AM on 12/08/2011
I respect people's views but I feel that you are latching onto a few minor points that for some reason brings the whole film down for you. You state that you hate how serious the film is, but then complain about the little humor moments they throw in. Plus in the start of the article you say that you hate the lack of fantasy elements (such as bruce's huge batlair) but then say that you love who they showed how he got all the gadgets. Well which do you want? A Batman that just out of no where
I respect people's views but I feel that you are latching onto a few minor points that for some reason brings the whole film down for you. You state that you hate how serious the film is, but then complain about the little humor moments they throw in. Plus in the start of the article you say that you hate the lack of fantasy elements (such as bruce's huge batlair) but then say that you love who they showed how he got all the gadgets. Well which do you want? A Batman that just out of no where has a ton of futuristic toys or real explainations for them?

I hear what you are saying about the Scarecrow, but he was never the main villain of the flick. Sure he puts everything in motion but its implied very early on that he is just a puppet for a much bigger enemy (Ras). Plus would you really want to see the final battle be a short fight between Batman and Crane? Face it since this is a "real world" movie there is no way that the skinny Dr. Crane would be any threat to Batman in a one on one fight, even if bats was fear gassed. Plus the fight between Ras and Bats is much more emotional and ESSENTIAL to the plot. We spent a lengthy amount of time with Ras at the start coming to like the character (due to Neeson's charm). He became a father like figure to Bruce and his teaching stay with him all throughout the film. So even if you think Ras disappears for most of the film, he doesn't because his teachings and methods are present throughout the whole film. His reveal at the end is perfect because it's as big of a shock to Bruce as it is to us (I sure as hell didn't see it coming). So the final battle had to be between Ras and Bats because its more important to the character than if he went after Crane. But I will agree that the tazer scene is lame.

Another point that I will somewhat give to you is that the fight scenes were lackluster. But I don't feel like they were bad enough to make me hate the movie. I chalk it up to Nolan being inexperienced in how to direct action fight scenes. His films before it were "Insomnia" and "Memento" not exactly known for having wild fight scenes. I don't hold it against him at all because he obviously learned from his mistakes but the action scenes in TDK and Inception are much much better.
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11:01AM on 12/08/2011
The first half of Begins is fantastic, the second half is mediocre at best. I'm not a huge fan of the "real" take on the dark knight. I can't wait to see Rises but I am glad this is Nolan's last
The first half of Begins is fantastic, the second half is mediocre at best. I'm not a huge fan of the "real" take on the dark knight. I can't wait to see Rises but I am glad this is Nolan's last
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11:16AM on 12/08/2011
Just had to find out my password again so that I could post on this subject, because of how strongly I feel about it. I completely disagree with this review, I thought Batman Begins was a fantastic movie and I felt it was the first time that Batman had been portrayed properly. I liked the Dark Knight but after watching it numerous times felt in someways it tried to be too clever and felt it was hyped a bit too much based on the unfortunate death of Heath Ledger (CONTROVERSIAL) I felt aaron
Just had to find out my password again so that I could post on this subject, because of how strongly I feel about it. I completely disagree with this review, I thought Batman Begins was a fantastic movie and I felt it was the first time that Batman had been portrayed properly. I liked the Dark Knight but after watching it numerous times felt in someways it tried to be too clever and felt it was hyped a bit too much based on the unfortunate death of Heath Ledger (CONTROVERSIAL) I felt aaron eckhart was overlooked in terms of his performance. Anyway Begins felt more like a batman movie , (e.g hiding in the shadows scrambling rooftops) and I think as a viewer when ever he was onscreen he was intimidating I kinda felt this was what the dark knight lost. He was overexposed , for example, he walks into a bank in broad daylight and has a conversation with Gordon while surely being surrounded by a good few cops when isn't he still hunted as a vigilante???? Overall though I think Chris Nolan has done a fantastic job on the Batman movies, I just feel that actually Begins doesnt get the credit it deserves when I feel it was the better movie (considering budget aswell)
11:00AM on 12/08/2011
I like Batman Begins for one thing. It takes Batman to the real world. Sure, all previous four Batman movies made him in the real world but it felt very Studio-esque. Nolan and co. laid the ground work fairly well for his first Batman movie outing. I still like Batman Begins and now I'm looking forward to The Dark Knight Rise.
I like Batman Begins for one thing. It takes Batman to the real world. Sure, all previous four Batman movies made him in the real world but it felt very Studio-esque. Nolan and co. laid the ground work fairly well for his first Batman movie outing. I still like Batman Begins and now I'm looking forward to The Dark Knight Rise.
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10:41AM on 12/08/2011

i agree

I like this review, personally i've always felt that the nolan movies are overrated as the best batman movies. they are great movies, for what they are but when you've watched better adaptations, and i'm not talking the old ones with the riddler, joker, and twoface. i'm talking about the dc animated films. they truly get batman, you wanna see a great batman begins film check out batman year one. you wanna see a great batman v the joker, check out under the red hood, the dc animated films get
I like this review, personally i've always felt that the nolan movies are overrated as the best batman movies. they are great movies, for what they are but when you've watched better adaptations, and i'm not talking the old ones with the riddler, joker, and twoface. i'm talking about the dc animated films. they truly get batman, you wanna see a great batman begins film check out batman year one. you wanna see a great batman v the joker, check out under the red hood, the dc animated films get the character because they are inspired from the comics and don't try to change the tone but capture the tone. the movies need to start taking a hint from the animated universe.
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10:25AM on 12/08/2011
"Is mad because Batman burnt abode"? That's a sentence we're okay with?

When every other point is "how stupid was X," and "too serious" except for things that were "too goofy," I'm getting more of a "troll" vibe here than an honest review.

The movie's only real flaw was the shaky-cam stuff, and to be fair, it's a big flaw. Everything else about this article can be disregarded.
"Is mad because Batman burnt abode"? That's a sentence we're okay with?

When every other point is "how stupid was X," and "too serious" except for things that were "too goofy," I'm getting more of a "troll" vibe here than an honest review.

The movie's only real flaw was the shaky-cam stuff, and to be fair, it's a big flaw. Everything else about this article can be disregarded.
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10:35AM on 12/08/2011
"Such as putting Falcone on the spotlight. He would have been burnt to death in minutes. But I'll digress..." Seems to me the that he meant the whole article to be a digression
"Such as putting Falcone on the spotlight. He would have been burnt to death in minutes. But I'll digress..." Seems to me the that he meant the whole article to be a digression
11:52AM on 12/08/2011
Pretty lame isn't it...?
Pretty lame isn't it...?
10:20AM on 12/08/2011
I'm pretty sure batman begins is still as great as I think it is. Next article please.
I'm pretty sure batman begins is still as great as I think it is. Next article please.
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10:19AM on 12/08/2011
I mostly agree to a point. While I love Dark Knight, I don't see the big deal in Begins.
For me, score-wise it's not Zimmer's best. Movie-wise while it had its rhythm it didn't entertain. I really couldn't feel for most characters as they tend to appear then disappear all the sudden. For all intents and purposes the flick is Bruce, Rachel and Alfred with 3 villains peppered in. Ra's (Ducard) shows up at the beginning then disappears until the end you don't feel any sense of menace from
I mostly agree to a point. While I love Dark Knight, I don't see the big deal in Begins.
For me, score-wise it's not Zimmer's best. Movie-wise while it had its rhythm it didn't entertain. I really couldn't feel for most characters as they tend to appear then disappear all the sudden. For all intents and purposes the flick is Bruce, Rachel and Alfred with 3 villains peppered in. Ra's (Ducard) shows up at the beginning then disappears until the end you don't feel any sense of menace from him at all, Scarecrow is nuts but comes off here as a lightweight as he escapes Arkham gets punked out by Rachel then is dragged away, his ending. As all the criminals escape Arkham, Falcone is nowhere to be found is he dead did the family come and recover him all of that is never told. I think probably my biggest complaint is Bale as Batman in his first outing, I never got into the voice it sounded terrible.
Somewhere between TDK and this they must have worked the kinks out. Seeing Chicago as Gotham on the ground made the city come to life whereas in Begins it felt like unrealistic CGI on top making the city look fake and not grounded as it aspires to be. Also thematically it is a sci-fi crime story with themes social, political and ethical. Begins is just that, Bruce Wayne becomes Batman to be symbol for Gotham, nothing special and nothing that can be applied outside of the film. It's this reason why Dark Knight, 3 years after its release is still on the tongue of everyone.
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9:51AM on 12/08/2011

terrible review

i know its your opinion and all, but it seems to me like you werent even watching the movie proper. first of all, the seriousness. you mention the movie is so serious and grounded in reality that someone dressed as a bat is ridiculous. did u not get the reasoning behind bruces decision to dress up like this? it may seem odd definately, but its also addressed by bruce himself when he jokes about how ridiculous a guy dressed as a bat is. and that leads to the humor, you mention the movie is way
i know its your opinion and all, but it seems to me like you werent even watching the movie proper. first of all, the seriousness. you mention the movie is so serious and grounded in reality that someone dressed as a bat is ridiculous. did u not get the reasoning behind bruces decision to dress up like this? it may seem odd definately, but its also addressed by bruce himself when he jokes about how ridiculous a guy dressed as a bat is. and that leads to the humor, you mention the movie is way too serious and then fault it when they try to lighten up the tension. i felt these lines were perfectly placed and made me like the characters even more (although i disliked the whole jacket scene).

i also cant understand why you couldnt accept ra's return in the 3rd act. he pretty much showed bruce the light, trained him but conflict arose when they didnt agree on each others moral code at the beginning of the film. This conflict comes to a conclusion at the end when both their moral codes are put to the test. it wasnt out of nowhere, it was pretty top notch writing. as for scarecrow, hes a scrawny dude whos only menacing when hes got the gas going on. i personally had no problems with the tazer.

But i will agree that the fight scenes were horrendous and i hope the 3rd film will have watchable action scenes. and it would have been awesome if maggie was in the first movie rather than katie holmes, she was shite. obviously the movie aint perfect but its still one of the best comic book movies ever made dude.
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9:31AM on 12/08/2011
I have to agree. I didn't really enjoy the first Batman either, but not for all the same reasons as you. I just simply did not like the villains and/or characters chosen to be in the movie. The only ones that interested me was Alfred, Batman, and Scarecrow. (Hell, it was even hard for me to accept Bale as Batman.) I thought everyone else besides these three were lame characters, which I did not care to see in a Batman movie. But the worse was casting Katie Holmes as Rachel.
I have to agree. I didn't really enjoy the first Batman either, but not for all the same reasons as you. I just simply did not like the villains and/or characters chosen to be in the movie. The only ones that interested me was Alfred, Batman, and Scarecrow. (Hell, it was even hard for me to accept Bale as Batman.) I thought everyone else besides these three were lame characters, which I did not care to see in a Batman movie. But the worse was casting Katie Holmes as Rachel.
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9:20AM on 12/08/2011

WOW.

MAN, you're bitter. Were you drunk when you wrote this? Deserves only 1/3 the praise it gets? Seriously?
You seemed to fuel your hatred as you wrote...
These "glaring mistakes" are merely your opinion -- it just didn't go the way you wanted it to go --
There were plenty of ACTUAL glaring mistakes I'd be happy to point out (ie: casting Katie Holmes in the first place), but nothing you've mentioned was there without precise intention or reason. The bat-button the shoe, for example,
MAN, you're bitter. Were you drunk when you wrote this? Deserves only 1/3 the praise it gets? Seriously?
You seemed to fuel your hatred as you wrote...
These "glaring mistakes" are merely your opinion -- it just didn't go the way you wanted it to go --
There were plenty of ACTUAL glaring mistakes I'd be happy to point out (ie: casting Katie Holmes in the first place), but nothing you've mentioned was there without precise intention or reason. The bat-button the shoe, for example, straight from the comic.
These unpopular articles are ridiculous.
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9:53AM on 12/08/2011
I always found Holmes' interviews where she said that she turned down Dark Knight to film Mad Money funny and convenient.
I always found Holmes' interviews where she said that she turned down Dark Knight to film Mad Money funny and convenient.
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9:18AM on 12/08/2011
It would be a solid argument if you understood comics and the dynamics of "villains who are not villains until later in the story" and cheesy one-liners. The author probably would bleed for anything that Tarantino makes because of the diatribe-dialogue he is known for. So anything less than that you can't tolerate.
It would be a solid argument if you understood comics and the dynamics of "villains who are not villains until later in the story" and cheesy one-liners. The author probably would bleed for anything that Tarantino makes because of the diatribe-dialogue he is known for. So anything less than that you can't tolerate.
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9:14AM on 12/08/2011

Completely your opinion and that's fine...

But in my opinion Scarecrow was translated meticulously to the big-screen by Nolan and Murphy. Scarecrow has always been a slimy and horrific character but he's not a tough guy by any means. When his nightmare inducing chemicals no longer work, Batman kicks the shit out of him.
And I thought the sudden reintroduction of Ra's at the end of the film was brilliant. You wanted it to happen as you watch the film but you don't know if Nolan will do it. And the way he executed his return in my
But in my opinion Scarecrow was translated meticulously to the big-screen by Nolan and Murphy. Scarecrow has always been a slimy and horrific character but he's not a tough guy by any means. When his nightmare inducing chemicals no longer work, Batman kicks the shit out of him.
And I thought the sudden reintroduction of Ra's at the end of the film was brilliant. You wanted it to happen as you watch the film but you don't know if Nolan will do it. And the way he executed his return in my opinion was terrific. I gasped when he appeared. And then the final showdown on the train was awesome.
So other than the shaky cam fight scene, I think this movie is perfect from start to finish.
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9:13AM on 12/08/2011
You forgot this overrated film's cardinal sin : it was dull.
Good piece, I like those "unpopular opinion' pieces, they're ballsy and attract a lot of funny fanboy anger. keep it up
You forgot this overrated film's cardinal sin : it was dull.
Good piece, I like those "unpopular opinion' pieces, they're ballsy and attract a lot of funny fanboy anger. keep it up
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6:10PM on 12/08/2011
Of course, the only supporters don't even have avatars.
Of course, the only supporters don't even have avatars.
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9:09AM on 12/08/2011

I couldn't agree more.

And the people below who think this is a rant or "fanboy fodder" are just revealing that they have nothing to counter to - well-put - argument. Which is typical of, you guessed it, fanboys.

This film's biggest flaw is, as you said it, that it is deadly serious, without comitting to it. In the real world, where Nolan's Batman films supposedly take place, a guy dressed as a bat is just plain risible.
And the people below who think this is a rant or "fanboy fodder" are just revealing that they have nothing to counter to - well-put - argument. Which is typical of, you guessed it, fanboys.

This film's biggest flaw is, as you said it, that it is deadly serious, without comitting to it. In the real world, where Nolan's Batman films supposedly take place, a guy dressed as a bat is just plain risible.
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9:07AM on 12/08/2011
These "UNpopular opinion" columns are easily the trollest articles on JoBlo.
These "UNpopular opinion" columns are easily the trollest articles on JoBlo.
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9:05AM on 12/08/2011
The movie was too serious, so when it tried to create some humor, you didn't like that either. Also, the "stupid shoe button", that emits a signal that attracted the Bats, what's so wrong to understand about that? This article seems like its nitpicking a lot.
The movie was too serious, so when it tried to create some humor, you didn't like that either. Also, the "stupid shoe button", that emits a signal that attracted the Bats, what's so wrong to understand about that? This article seems like its nitpicking a lot.
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9:05AM on 12/08/2011
Am in agreement that this is overrated although i still enjoy it, really cannot stand the fight scenes or actually let me rephrase it: what fight scenes? I couldn't tell if there were any. But in the films defense it really gave the Batman franchise the respect and class it deserved, you've got to put it in context if you remember the period it came out the franchise was dead after "Batman & Robin" which explains why this was overrated because everyone was happy that it wasn't a steaming turd
Am in agreement that this is overrated although i still enjoy it, really cannot stand the fight scenes or actually let me rephrase it: what fight scenes? I couldn't tell if there were any. But in the films defense it really gave the Batman franchise the respect and class it deserved, you've got to put it in context if you remember the period it came out the franchise was dead after "Batman & Robin" which explains why this was overrated because everyone was happy that it wasn't a steaming turd pile of a movie. Overall its a decent orign story and The Dark Knight would go on to fix a lot of its flaws afterwards. Also a few tidbits that bothered you; (Falcone being in the spotlight, the shoe button) are lifted directly from the mini-series "Batman: Year One" which its almost a direct adaptation of, personally those things didnt bother me because of that.
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9:01AM on 12/08/2011
Yeah, this is merely an opinion. Little thought was put into making this piece actually have any credibility. There are problems with Batman Beings but this article is just angry fanboy fodder.
Yeah, this is merely an opinion. Little thought was put into making this piece actually have any credibility. There are problems with Batman Beings but this article is just angry fanboy fodder.
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8:58AM on 12/08/2011
I stopped reading when you talked about how the Scarecrow was supposed to be a bad-ass. i'm not a big comic book reader, but I can even tell you that the Scarecrow in the comics is a scrawny wimpy doctor who mostly runs away from battles rather than whooping ass.
I stopped reading when you talked about how the Scarecrow was supposed to be a bad-ass. i'm not a big comic book reader, but I can even tell you that the Scarecrow in the comics is a scrawny wimpy doctor who mostly runs away from battles rather than whooping ass.
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8:54AM on 12/08/2011
Not arguing your distaste for Batman Begins, I just wish you could have argued your point more articulately. This feels like a message board rant from IMDB tailored to feel like an article.
Not arguing your distaste for Batman Begins, I just wish you could have argued your point more articulately. This feels like a message board rant from IMDB tailored to feel like an article.
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11:21AM on 12/08/2011
This is why i love you Termy ;)
Couldn't have said it better.
This is why i love you Termy ;)
Couldn't have said it better.
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