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Apr. 11, 2008by:
Well see, now this is great. A while back, celebrated author Michael Chabon (WONDER BOYS) wrote a script for SPIDER-MAN 2, which didnt get used. But now, in an act of extreme benevolence, the quirky literary journal McSweeneys has put Chabons entire script for the film online, which you can download as a pdf HERE (scroll down a little). Chabon was one of four writers brought on to work on the script, and eventually was given a screen story credit. Why this never got used, I dont know. And while SPIDER-MAN 2 was a great film and easily the best in the trilogy, I can only imagine that this screenplay is better than the one that used (maybe I'll actually read it and find out). Chabon is a great, Pulitzer prize-winning author, but I guess that may not translate into efficient screenwriting.
Extra Tidbit: A film adaptation of Chabon's masterpiece, THE AMAZING ADVENTURES OF KAVALIER AND CLAY.
Source: McSweeney's

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11:38PM on 04/13/2008

Fuck you, Avi Arad

Well, to start with, too many things went wrong. The only good movie in the trilogy is Spider-Man 2. Green Goblin was just laughable, the other Green Goblin (oh, sorry, I meant "the NEW Goblin" was a fucking joke. With his flying snowboard. Venom was a tiny wimp with yellow claws. Fungal infection? I could go on for a while with the third.

So there's no reason why a well known and established superhero character like Spider-Man doesn't deserve a reboot. That doesn't mean we should suffer
Well, to start with, too many things went wrong. The only good movie in the trilogy is Spider-Man 2. Green Goblin was just laughable, the other Green Goblin (oh, sorry, I meant "the NEW Goblin" was a fucking joke. With his flying snowboard. Venom was a tiny wimp with yellow claws. Fungal infection? I could go on for a while with the third.

So there's no reason why a well known and established superhero character like Spider-Man doesn't deserve a reboot. That doesn't mean we should suffer through the whole origin again. Flashbacks are a good solution.

I guess what everybody wants is a better actor than that faggot, what's his name... yeah, Tobey Maguire. And someone that actually looks like Mary Jane.
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11:38AM on 04/13/2008
Honestly, I thought Spiderman 2 was almost the same as Spiderman 1. Nothing new brought to the table really. One of the biggest flaws I find everytime I watched one of the Spiderman movies is its lack of a theme of any sort. There is no musical riff like that which you would hear from Danny Elfman in Batman or from John Williams in Star Wars (or any number of other movies these guys took to the next level musically). I'm already there visually and story-wise...help get me there full circle
Honestly, I thought Spiderman 2 was almost the same as Spiderman 1. Nothing new brought to the table really. One of the biggest flaws I find everytime I watched one of the Spiderman movies is its lack of a theme of any sort. There is no musical riff like that which you would hear from Danny Elfman in Batman or from John Williams in Star Wars (or any number of other movies these guys took to the next level musically). I'm already there visually and story-wise...help get me there full circle with the other senses.
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11:44PM on 04/12/2008

NO CARE NO MORE......

I don't seem to care about the Spider-Man franchise much anymore, ever since my brain was melted into a pulp after watching Spidey 3. I could write a 500 page book on why that movie sucked all sorts of things. But anyway, Spider-Man 2 was awesome. I'm not going to bother reading the unused script because IF for some reason it's better than the one they used, then I'll start hating Spidey 2, too. Spidey 3 is the reason why I care for IronMan as much as I care for peanuts. And I don't care about
I don't seem to care about the Spider-Man franchise much anymore, ever since my brain was melted into a pulp after watching Spidey 3. I could write a 500 page book on why that movie sucked all sorts of things. But anyway, Spider-Man 2 was awesome. I'm not going to bother reading the unused script because IF for some reason it's better than the one they used, then I'll start hating Spidey 2, too. Spidey 3 is the reason why I care for IronMan as much as I care for peanuts. And I don't care about the welfare of peanuts. The only thing that keeps my hopes up for comic movies are The Dark Knight, it's sequel, and the Wolverine movie. And maybe the new Hulk.
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4:16PM on 04/12/2008

Just wondering...

...since I'm not going to take the time to read the script. Do Pulitzer prize-winning authors make room for cheesy Stan Lee cameos too? How bad have those become? Props to Stan for giving us every great comic book character ever, but enough is enough!
...since I'm not going to take the time to read the script. Do Pulitzer prize-winning authors make room for cheesy Stan Lee cameos too? How bad have those become? Props to Stan for giving us every great comic book character ever, but enough is enough!
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3:29PM on 04/12/2008

Give them their due..

..for making comic movies that could be palatable to the comic fans and a wider public alike, all while having jaw-dropping action sequences.

Without the success of the Spiderman films, we wouldn't have Iron Man coming to theaters, and we arguably wouldn't have got a relaunch of the Batman franchise after the abomination of the Schumacher films.

Yes it's fashionable to hate on the Spidey flicks now--and yes the filmmakers have a lot to answer for over the third film. But I still think
..for making comic movies that could be palatable to the comic fans and a wider public alike, all while having jaw-dropping action sequences.

Without the success of the Spiderman films, we wouldn't have Iron Man coming to theaters, and we arguably wouldn't have got a relaunch of the Batman franchise after the abomination of the Schumacher films.

Yes it's fashionable to hate on the Spidey flicks now--and yes the filmmakers have a lot to answer for over the third film. But I still think Raimi and yes, Macquire did top-notch work thru all 3 films, even if the screenwriters or whoever producers couldn't decide between the 5 or 6 different plot threads for the last feature. I really think they were trying to make the best film they could while living up to the expectations and box office of the first two.

Comic movie fans always expect the moon and stars--maybe George Lucas was right when he recently said "IT'S JUST A FUCKING MOVIE!" (paraphrased).
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11:16AM on 04/12/2008

xxxoverridexxx...

Yes, I'm a huge Spidey fan. I love the character. That is why I hold Spidey 2 in such a high standard, because I think it's the definitive Spider-Man movie. SM2 is easily my favorite flick and I'm blown away every time I watch it.

And the scenes you mentioned? I think they are great scenes. Yes, the Aunt May scene/speech might of gone on a little long, but the acting from those two is too damn good to pass up. It works great. And the scene with Peter meeting Ock and his wife is probably the
Yes, I'm a huge Spidey fan. I love the character. That is why I hold Spidey 2 in such a high standard, because I think it's the definitive Spider-Man movie. SM2 is easily my favorite flick and I'm blown away every time I watch it.

And the scenes you mentioned? I think they are great scenes. Yes, the Aunt May scene/speech might of gone on a little long, but the acting from those two is too damn good to pass up. It works great. And the scene with Peter meeting Ock and his wife is probably the best scene in the whole film.

But because it's because of that film that Spidey 3 is no doubt one of the biggest disappointments of my life. There is just way too much going on, and definitely should of been made into two films. And don't get me started on Venom...the character was flat out butchered.

X2 is a damn good movie, and one of the best superhero flicks around but I think Batman Begins and Spidey 2 nudge it out just slightly. I love Begins as well, and like everyone else am looking forward to The Dark Knight in great anticipation. But I'm not trying to get too excited, that happened with Spidey 3 and that didn't turn out too well.
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9:40AM on 04/12/2008
Thanks, didn't know there was a different script for spider-man 2, going to have to give this one a read.
Thanks, didn't know there was a different script for spider-man 2, going to have to give this one a read.
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12:09AM on 04/12/2008

JustinBrown

Thanks a lot for helping me spell. I always thought it was pedastool but now that I think about it, stool means shit. Thanks man. I always have to thank those with "extraordinary intellectual prowess".

What a douche...hey I spelled that right. Phew thank god.
Thanks a lot for helping me spell. I always thought it was pedastool but now that I think about it, stool means shit. Thanks man. I always have to thank those with "extraordinary intellectual prowess".

What a douche...hey I spelled that right. Phew thank god.
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9:38PM on 04/11/2008
Interesting read, but I'm afraid that I must comment on much of the oatmeal that is the ranting and ravings on here.

I personally felt that the atmosphere of the first movie was spot on. You knew that you were watching a comic book, which was great, and it was done at a good enough quality that it resonated with all ages and not just the target demographic.

Sorry to burst anyone's bubble, but the Spider-Man franchise did not have 18-35 as it's target demographic because that wasn't the
Interesting read, but I'm afraid that I must comment on much of the oatmeal that is the ranting and ravings on here.

I personally felt that the atmosphere of the first movie was spot on. You knew that you were watching a comic book, which was great, and it was done at a good enough quality that it resonated with all ages and not just the target demographic.

Sorry to burst anyone's bubble, but the Spider-Man franchise did not have 18-35 as it's target demographic because that wasn't the TD of the original comic. Comic books, for the most part, are geared towards kids. Some are aimed at a bit of a higher age, but a character like Spider-Man was aimed towards children of all ages. There's no way it would have been possible to keep in the same mold as an X2, because the character types are presented to us in a different fashion.

However, much like X-Men: The Last Stand, Spider-Man 3 tried to have too much going on and was a blemish on an otherwise prosperous trilogy.

Spider-Man: Dealt with the discovery of becoming a superhero.

Spider-Man 2: Dealt with the difficulty of becoming a superhero.

Spider-Man 3: Just too busy, with too much brought in. Emo Peter was overdone.

In my opinion, even the presence of Venom tarnished the appeal of the film for me. I know that the character is vastly popular, but overall I feel his importance to the mythos is overrated. As far as the films go, I'd say he is to the Spidey trilogy as Darth Maul is to the Star Wars prequels. Sure he's cool, sure we can get him to suit a purpose, but in the grand scheme isn't as significant as some would like to believe.
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9:16PM on 04/11/2008

Not Great

I find myself to be a fair critic bc I can say I like something but still agree with someone that its not a good or that it flat out sucks. The Spiderman movies DO NOT SUCK BUT they vastly underachieved and played down to the audiences with 3 movies that were aimed at 13 year old boys that would buy action figures and lunch pales how else do you explain the walking coma that is maguire and his high pitched voice and gosh golly gee attitude (is this pleasantville?), at least Superman only
I find myself to be a fair critic bc I can say I like something but still agree with someone that its not a good or that it flat out sucks. The Spiderman movies DO NOT SUCK BUT they vastly underachieved and played down to the audiences with 3 movies that were aimed at 13 year old boys that would buy action figures and lunch pales how else do you explain the walking coma that is maguire and his high pitched voice and gosh golly gee attitude (is this pleasantville?), at least Superman only pretends to be that much of a wuss. If they could have just injected some darkness ala X-Men into the story and not make it for spazoids who bounce in there seats after watching the trailer for the first time. With that all said they still do a decent job of conveying thta particular comic, which some people love (staying true to the source material) but that doesnt automatically make it good, again thenk X-Men no aliens, no silly planet eating gods, you can make changes for the better and still stay true to the theme.

remember wih great power comes great responsibility not to make the most generic movie that will make you the most money!
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8:43PM on 04/11/2008
Chabon's script isn't bad -- a very different perspective on the story they were clearly trying to tell. Several of his ideas were used in the final cut, which is nice to see. Some of his dialog is wonderful and I'm sorry it hasn't seen the light of day until now.

Regarding the barrage of anti-Spidey comments in here, I just think it's pretty obvious that we're dealing with some extraordinary intellectual prowess. I mean, one guy named "a sweet nip shot" as the second best thing about the
Chabon's script isn't bad -- a very different perspective on the story they were clearly trying to tell. Several of his ideas were used in the final cut, which is nice to see. Some of his dialog is wonderful and I'm sorry it hasn't seen the light of day until now.

Regarding the barrage of anti-Spidey comments in here, I just think it's pretty obvious that we're dealing with some extraordinary intellectual prowess. I mean, one guy named "a sweet nip shot" as the second best thing about the first film, another guy cannot spell "pedestal", another guy hates comic book movies, and one more thought Spiderman 3 was the best installment of the series.

I really don't think any more needs to be said. Geniuses across the board.
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7:58PM on 04/11/2008
I was a fan of Spidey growing up, but the movies were pretty bad. The first one was a decent popcorn movie and its the best one of the three. I know most people think the third was shit (it was) and the first one was decent (it was), but what I didnt get was the praise the second one got when it came out, specially on this website (Joblo review, Schmoes awards, etc.). It was worst than the third one in my book, but it won a bunch of 'best movie' of the year things on the net.
In general, i
I was a fan of Spidey growing up, but the movies were pretty bad. The first one was a decent popcorn movie and its the best one of the three. I know most people think the third was shit (it was) and the first one was decent (it was), but what I didnt get was the praise the second one got when it came out, specially on this website (Joblo review, Schmoes awards, etc.). It was worst than the third one in my book, but it won a bunch of 'best movie' of the year things on the net.
In general, i hate comic book movies coz they get so much hype and they end up sucking donkey dick, thats why Im still not too excited about Ironman. However, I have to say that Batman Begins and X-2 were good. Heres to hoping that TDK will be as good as everyone seems to be so sure it will be.
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6:07PM on 04/11/2008

Ugh, Spiderman...

I know i've said it a hundred times but Tobey Maguire's Parker/Spiderman was so gay he even made Hayden Christensen's Anakin Skywalker look like a testosterone laden alpha male in comparison.
I know i've said it a hundred times but Tobey Maguire's Parker/Spiderman was so gay he even made Hayden Christensen's Anakin Skywalker look like a testosterone laden alpha male in comparison.
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6:00PM on 04/11/2008

Xmen 2

I think was the best comic book film to movie so far.

No offense or anything, but from the looks of your Venom icon, you hold Spidey on a pedastool. Nothing wrong with that...

I tried watching it recently and was bored by it. The train sequence was amazing. Prob one of the best fight scenes I ever to hit a comic book film let alone a reg action film but still doesnt change the fact that the movie was so boring.

The scene with him talking to Ock and his wife?

The scenes with him and
I think was the best comic book film to movie so far.

No offense or anything, but from the looks of your Venom icon, you hold Spidey on a pedastool. Nothing wrong with that...

I tried watching it recently and was bored by it. The train sequence was amazing. Prob one of the best fight scenes I ever to hit a comic book film let alone a reg action film but still doesnt change the fact that the movie was so boring.

The scene with him talking to Ock and his wife?

The scenes with him and Aunt May?
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5:19PM on 04/11/2008

Wow...

One disappointing movie and the whole franchise sucks?

Spidey 2 was an outstanding movie, and easily one of the best comic book flicks around. It does pain me to see everyone just hate on everything Spider-Man now because Spidey 3 wasn't up to snuff. And even then...Spider-Man 3 wasn't total shit. Just incredibly disappointing. There's a difference you know.

Thanks for the find though Ben. I skimmed through it and most of the actual film seems like it came from this screenplay. I don't
One disappointing movie and the whole franchise sucks?

Spidey 2 was an outstanding movie, and easily one of the best comic book flicks around. It does pain me to see everyone just hate on everything Spider-Man now because Spidey 3 wasn't up to snuff. And even then...Spider-Man 3 wasn't total shit. Just incredibly disappointing. There's a difference you know.

Thanks for the find though Ben. I skimmed through it and most of the actual film seems like it came from this screenplay. I don't know what to think about Ock being a love interest to Mary Jane though. The classic Doc Ock worked wonders in the movie, and I think that would of gotten lost in this screenplay.
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5:03PM on 04/11/2008
"Spider-Man 2" sucks. Dr. Octapus was great (except for the tentacle thing), but the overblown melodrama was annoying as shit (I lost my job, MJ doesn't love me, Aunt May's losing her house, waaaaahhhh), the power loss due to depression thing was retarded (I know it's a metaphor, but it makes no logical sense), and there was pretty much zero action. OVERRATED!
"Spider-Man 2" sucks. Dr. Octapus was great (except for the tentacle thing), but the overblown melodrama was annoying as shit (I lost my job, MJ doesn't love me, Aunt May's losing her house, waaaaahhhh), the power loss due to depression thing was retarded (I know it's a metaphor, but it makes no logical sense), and there was pretty much zero action. OVERRATED!
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4:10PM on 04/11/2008

2 and 3 both suck

I liked the first one. Dafoe was money as the Goblin, we had that sweet nip shot in the rain, and we had a torn hero denying the love of his life at the end. Good story, good action.

I HATE when villans turn good at the end of a movie. Every time I see it it reminds me of Mr. Freeze which reminds me of the abortion that was Schumacher Bat.

Anyway, that's not the only reason #2 sucked. His powers turning on and off randomly was also annoying, and I hated the fact that the arms were
I liked the first one. Dafoe was money as the Goblin, we had that sweet nip shot in the rain, and we had a torn hero denying the love of his life at the end. Good story, good action.

I HATE when villans turn good at the end of a movie. Every time I see it it reminds me of Mr. Freeze which reminds me of the abortion that was Schumacher Bat.

Anyway, that's not the only reason #2 sucked. His powers turning on and off randomly was also annoying, and I hated the fact that the arms were controlling the Doc and not the other way around. Stupid.

Number 3 was a total shit peice. The "evil" Peter Parker walking around with a douchey look on his face, then doing a DANCE NUMBER that is cringe-inducing (I can't believe that made the cut). They totally wasted/ruined Venom as well. GARBAGE.

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4:05PM on 04/11/2008

skimmed it

Looks like they lifted the train fight scene nearly word-for-word out of this script - Doc's death is also quite similar (which I didn't like). The biggest difference I can see here is that it looks like Octavius has a romantic interest in MJ, which may or may not have worked. I did like this version of the arms better than the ones in the original movie.
Looks like they lifted the train fight scene nearly word-for-word out of this script - Doc's death is also quite similar (which I didn't like). The biggest difference I can see here is that it looks like Octavius has a romantic interest in MJ, which may or may not have worked. I did like this version of the arms better than the ones in the original movie.
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3:58PM on 04/11/2008

Lets face it..

The spiderman trilogy is a piece of shit. With the exception of the third one, which i hated right after I saw it, when you watch the other two again on tv you realize how cheesy and horrible they are.
The spiderman trilogy is a piece of shit. With the exception of the third one, which i hated right after I saw it, when you watch the other two again on tv you realize how cheesy and horrible they are.
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3:55PM on 04/11/2008

spidey trilogy

Guess What? I know I'm going against the grain here, but I thought spiderman two was garbage and by far the very worst of the series. Not one of the first two movies stands up to multiple viewings(like, say, Batman Begins) and the main great thing about number 3 is the amazingly well done sequences, like Peter and Harry's battle at the beginning, the scene where the chick hangs from the skyscraper, the sandmans transformation, etc., etc. The first two movies are bigger on story, but the more
Guess What? I know I'm going against the grain here, but I thought spiderman two was garbage and by far the very worst of the series. Not one of the first two movies stands up to multiple viewings(like, say, Batman Begins) and the main great thing about number 3 is the amazingly well done sequences, like Peter and Harry's battle at the beginning, the scene where the chick hangs from the skyscraper, the sandmans transformation, etc., etc. The first two movies are bigger on story, but the more times I've watched them, the cheesier and less believeable they are. This makes part 3 the very, very best in my opinion. I know I'm going against 99% of my fellow fanboys on this but that's my opinion. Any takers want to challenge me on debating this?

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3:47PM on 04/11/2008

yea read it...

so you can see how bad it was. I was skimming thru it and it was horrible
so you can see how bad it was. I was skimming thru it and it was horrible
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