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11.02.2010

Alright, wow, it's been far too long since we've reported loose talk about THE DARK KNIGHT RISES, so I'll introduce this for public debate with a big *rumor* disclaimer attached.

ComicBookMovie received a pair of scoops from a casting agent who claims that Charlize Theron is being sought to play Sarah Essen, and Kacie Thomas and Vera Farmiga have auditioned for the role of Julie Madison.

Who are these two people?

Sarah Essen showed up in a Batman: Year One storyline as a detective and love interest to Jim Gordon. The pair ultimately had an affair and it's hinted at she may be the true mother of Batgirl.

Julie Madison is a socliate that Bruce Wayne dates and eventually is engaged to at one point. Her greater significance is that she was a cast in a remake of a B-movie starring Basil Karlo, a disgruntled actor who murders everyone attached to the film, and ultimately becomes the villain Clayface. Could Tom Hardy be Karlo? Would that shoe fit?

How would Nolan handle Clayface? That, I honestly couldn't tell you. Now that the Riddler is out of the picture, we're grasping at villanous straws here, and I suppose he could be on the table, as is Killer Croc since the film will be shooting in New Orleans.

Again, just rumors, but I've heard far more unbelievable ones. What say you?

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Extra Tidbit: One of my most terrifying childhood memories is the Batman: The Animated Series episode where Clayface eats Batman and it looks like he suffocates to death inside of him. Scarring.
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6:37AM on 11/03/2010
Ummmm did anyone really see Two Face die?
Bring Dent back. He frikken rocked.
Ummmm did anyone really see Two Face die?
Bring Dent back. He frikken rocked.
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10:10AM on 11/03/2010
We saw Harvey Dent's funeral. But it was PG-13, so maybe they couldn't show the gory details.
We saw Harvey Dent's funeral. But it was PG-13, so maybe they couldn't show the gory details.
4:50PM on 11/03/2010
Or the funeral was a cover up to protect Dent's image, making the public think he actually died a hero.
Or the funeral was a cover up to protect Dent's image, making the public think he actually died a hero.
12:07AM on 11/05/2010
I have been CONVINCED since watching TDK for the first time that Dent's funeral was a coverup.
I have been CONVINCED since watching TDK for the first time that Dent's funeral was a coverup.
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3:08AM on 11/03/2010
I would prefer Bane. Bring him in, cripple Batman and be done with it.
I would prefer Bane. Bring him in, cripple Batman and be done with it.
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1:36AM on 11/03/2010
If you've seen BRONSON, you'd know that Tom Hardy has to be Bane.
If you've seen BRONSON, you'd know that Tom Hardy has to be Bane.
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1:32AM on 11/03/2010
If you've seen BRONSON, you'd know that Tom Hardy has to be Bane.
If you've seen BRONSON, you'd know that Tom Hardy has to be Bane.
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1:17AM on 11/03/2010

Pass

What? Nolan would rather recast The Joker? I'm in.
What? Nolan would rather recast The Joker? I'm in.
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10:40PM on 11/02/2010
Not too familiar with the Clayface character, but I think that he should go for something a little more well known that he could play with. I know Riddler is out of the way, but there are plenty of villains still that have a more major role. Killer Croc would indeed be a good one, but my vote is still to have Mr. Szazh in the movie.
Not too familiar with the Clayface character, but I think that he should go for something a little more well known that he could play with. I know Riddler is out of the way, but there are plenty of villains still that have a more major role. Killer Croc would indeed be a good one, but my vote is still to have Mr. Szazh in the movie.
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9:53PM on 11/02/2010
I'm all for Clayface, but only if he stays true to the source. If Clayface isn't a shape shifting monster, then why even bother? That's what makes his character interesting & unique. Either do it right, or leave it alone.


I actually find it kind of sad that some "fans" are actually promoting butchering a character just to make him fit into the idea of the "real world".
I'm all for Clayface, but only if he stays true to the source. If Clayface isn't a shape shifting monster, then why even bother? That's what makes his character interesting & unique. Either do it right, or leave it alone.


I actually find it kind of sad that some "fans" are actually promoting butchering a character just to make him fit into the idea of the "real world".
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9:42PM on 11/02/2010
Im down for any of Batman's rogues gallery, they're pretty much all great.

But no Vera Farmiga. If the character is suppose to be a young socialite, they shouldnt hire a chick who looks like she could be Bruce Wayne's mom, if she were alive.
Im down for any of Batman's rogues gallery, they're pretty much all great.

But no Vera Farmiga. If the character is suppose to be a young socialite, they shouldnt hire a chick who looks like she could be Bruce Wayne's mom, if she were alive.
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8:43PM on 11/02/2010

I will implode

if Catwoman isn't in this movie.
if Catwoman isn't in this movie.
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8:33PM on 11/02/2010

too good to be true

I have dreamed of the day, I see clayface my favorite batman villain on the big screen.
I have dreamed of the day, I see clayface my favorite batman villain on the big screen.
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8:29PM on 11/02/2010
Clayface would be really bad ass actually in Nolan's careful hands.
Clayface would be really bad ass actually in Nolan's careful hands.
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6:48PM on 11/02/2010
ComicBookMovie is just fishing for hits.
ComicBookMovie is just fishing for hits.
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6:41PM on 11/02/2010

THE ORIGINAL CLAYFACE...

was not the big clay monster in the pic above, he was a Boris Karloff or Lon Cheney Jr. type of actor who was horribly disfigured in an accident and used Hollywood make up efx to look like other people and get revenge on those he felt were responsible. He was much more like Darkman or Lazlo Soot in Smokin' Aces and was originally based on The Phantom of the Opera and Vincent Price in House of Wax, that could be Nolans approach if he decided to use Clayface since he usually looks to the original
was not the big clay monster in the pic above, he was a Boris Karloff or Lon Cheney Jr. type of actor who was horribly disfigured in an accident and used Hollywood make up efx to look like other people and get revenge on those he felt were responsible. He was much more like Darkman or Lazlo Soot in Smokin' Aces and was originally based on The Phantom of the Opera and Vincent Price in House of Wax, that could be Nolans approach if he decided to use Clayface since he usually looks to the original versions of the characters for inspiration like he did for The Joker. Clayface's struggle with identity would reflect Batmans own identity issues and could be right up Nolans alley storytelling wise. Plus we all know how much Nolan loves old Hollywood and having an actor as a villain probably appeals to him so I wouldn't think it to far fetched a rumor.
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7:29PM on 11/02/2010
totally.
totally.
8:52PM on 11/02/2010
You fucker! That's exactly what I was going to say! The ORIGINAL clayface was not a shapeshifter, he was merely a cast member of a horror film that starting hacking up other cast members. Right up Nolan's alley.
You fucker! That's exactly what I was going to say! The ORIGINAL clayface was not a shapeshifter, he was merely a cast member of a horror film that starting hacking up other cast members. Right up Nolan's alley.
9:05PM on 11/02/2010
This...would be perfect.
This...would be perfect.
9:54PM on 11/02/2010
Sorry Pirate ;{P
Sorry Pirate ;{P
5:43AM on 11/03/2010
The wonders of wikipedia and its effect to make people pretend to know things.

You are wrong about everything you just said. First off, the original incarnation Clayface was pretty much a Scooby-Doo villain who killed. He didn't disguise himself as other people, and he wasn't disfigured in an accident. He simply wore the costume from his movie. That was it. This boring character was only used TWICE before he became the far more interesting shape-shifting Clayface that we all know and love
The wonders of wikipedia and its effect to make people pretend to know things.

You are wrong about everything you just said. First off, the original incarnation Clayface was pretty much a Scooby-Doo villain who killed. He didn't disguise himself as other people, and he wasn't disfigured in an accident. He simply wore the costume from his movie. That was it. This boring character was only used TWICE before he became the far more interesting shape-shifting Clayface that we all know and love (well, he was one of the Clayfaces).
6:15PM on 11/03/2010
I'm not pretending Bub and I didn't get my info from Wikipedia it was in a Batman character profile book about the history of all the characters and where they came from like how The Joker was based on Conrad Veidt from The Man Who Laughs and Penguin is based on Edward G. Robinson. I'm tired of being lectured to by "fans" who's only knowledge of Batman villains comes from the animated series or the 60's Adam West show. Basil Karlo used clay masks to cover up his disfigured face and he even used
I'm not pretending Bub and I didn't get my info from Wikipedia it was in a Batman character profile book about the history of all the characters and where they came from like how The Joker was based on Conrad Veidt from The Man Who Laughs and Penguin is based on Edward G. Robinson. I'm tired of being lectured to by "fans" who's only knowledge of Batman villains comes from the animated series or the 60's Adam West show. Basil Karlo used clay masks to cover up his disfigured face and he even used them to pose as other people and get close to those he wanted to kill.
7:31PM on 11/03/2010
I like the idea of clayface as an actor gone crazy, but only if he was a minor character. The last two batman movie have been on an epic scale, with all of gotham being threatened, and nolan will probably follow that trend. thats why i wasnt into the "riddler as a zodiac killer" rumor; sure it would be interesting, but could it top the joker or ras as a threat to gotham as a whole?
I like the idea of clayface as an actor gone crazy, but only if he was a minor character. The last two batman movie have been on an epic scale, with all of gotham being threatened, and nolan will probably follow that trend. thats why i wasnt into the "riddler as a zodiac killer" rumor; sure it would be interesting, but could it top the joker or ras as a threat to gotham as a whole?
8:13PM on 11/03/2010
Go pick up The Batman Chronicles Vol. 2. Then read issues #40 and #49, as those are the only two issues that the human Clayface ever appears in. After that Clayface becomes a shape-shifting monster.

I don't know what character profile book you read, but it was a POS.
Go pick up The Batman Chronicles Vol. 2. Then read issues #40 and #49, as those are the only two issues that the human Clayface ever appears in. After that Clayface becomes a shape-shifting monster.

I don't know what character profile book you read, but it was a POS.
6:28PM on 11/02/2010

Not a Chance

Bottom line: Nolan's brilliant, minimal CGI, and realistic approach to his Bats films has been fantastic! The man himself said he likes to use as little CGI as possible in these films and I doubt a giant rock looking monster freak thing (yes, I realize his name is clayface, but that's just what he looks like to me) will be Bat's next opponent. If anything, I hope to see a dark Penguin or Harley Quin make an appearance! I'm only giving Nolan a pass on the title TDKR (even then, that's a stretch
Bottom line: Nolan's brilliant, minimal CGI, and realistic approach to his Bats films has been fantastic! The man himself said he likes to use as little CGI as possible in these films and I doubt a giant rock looking monster freak thing (yes, I realize his name is clayface, but that's just what he looks like to me) will be Bat's next opponent. If anything, I hope to see a dark Penguin or Harley Quin make an appearance! I'm only giving Nolan a pass on the title TDKR (even then, that's a stretch for me and I hope he re-titles it!) but there's no way I can see he him incorporating this character into his more "real" Bats universe.
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6:23PM on 11/02/2010

no clayface

No Clayface please that is a terrible idea. I for one would love for the villian to be Hush that would work on both batman and Bruce Wayne levels.I think Nolan could pull it off
No Clayface please that is a terrible idea. I for one would love for the villian to be Hush that would work on both batman and Bruce Wayne levels.I think Nolan could pull it off
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7:27PM on 11/02/2010
hush is a terrible idea! right along with killer croc and bane. clayface actually would be cool; no cg morphing of the character either. a nolan clayface would use disguises or maybe actual clay to make the faces he would wear.
hush is a terrible idea! right along with killer croc and bane. clayface actually would be cool; no cg morphing of the character either. a nolan clayface would use disguises or maybe actual clay to make the faces he would wear.
10:38PM on 11/02/2010
@nicholas
In what universe is Hugh a terrible idea? He's realistic and lends so much depth to Bruce Wayne's story. Then you go on to give some half hearted excuse as to why Clayface is a better idea.
@nicholas
In what universe is Hugh a terrible idea? He's realistic and lends so much depth to Bruce Wayne's story. Then you go on to give some half hearted excuse as to why Clayface is a better idea.
6:21PM on 11/02/2010
While I like the idea of using a new villian, which I know Nolan wanted to do, I just don't think there is a really strong story for Clayface. Nolan is more about story, so I'd think Hush or Black Mask would be more likely than someone like Clayface.
While I like the idea of using a new villian, which I know Nolan wanted to do, I just don't think there is a really strong story for Clayface. Nolan is more about story, so I'd think Hush or Black Mask would be more likely than someone like Clayface.
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5:57PM on 11/02/2010
I love Clayface. But I don't see it. I mean all of the other villains have been somewhat believable. But a man running around covered in clay? I don't think it would work that well in the universe that Nolan's established. It's just not believable enough.
BUT, the idea of Gordon getting more screen time and character development sounds awesome. More Gary Oldman screentime will go down a treat. And who better to have an affair with than Charlie Theron? Lucky ass hole.
But yeah, I don't see
I love Clayface. But I don't see it. I mean all of the other villains have been somewhat believable. But a man running around covered in clay? I don't think it would work that well in the universe that Nolan's established. It's just not believable enough.
BUT, the idea of Gordon getting more screen time and character development sounds awesome. More Gary Oldman screentime will go down a treat. And who better to have an affair with than Charlie Theron? Lucky ass hole.
But yeah, I don't see Clayface being in this movie...
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5:50PM on 11/02/2010
nolan uses very little cg in the bat movies.. if theres gonna villain its gonna be live action and human.. i feel like he's gonna stick with the "real" approach and not have any cgi characters.. it doesnt make sense. i would see it nonetheless.
nolan uses very little cg in the bat movies.. if theres gonna villain its gonna be live action and human.. i feel like he's gonna stick with the "real" approach and not have any cgi characters.. it doesnt make sense. i would see it nonetheless.
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5:40PM on 11/02/2010
I wouldn't mind seeing Theron or Farmiga in those roles because they are good actors and there roles won't be that BIG in this movie. As for Hardy, I think he will be playing Hush. I'm still waiting for Nolan to throw in The Penguin or Harley Quinn for this closing chapter.
I wouldn't mind seeing Theron or Farmiga in those roles because they are good actors and there roles won't be that BIG in this movie. As for Hardy, I think he will be playing Hush. I'm still waiting for Nolan to throw in The Penguin or Harley Quinn for this closing chapter.
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5:24PM on 11/02/2010
clzyface could be a thespian who wears prosthetics to look like other people.

There. A realistic "Nolan" take on the character, could be done.
clzyface could be a thespian who wears prosthetics to look like other people.

There. A realistic "Nolan" take on the character, could be done.
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5:01PM on 11/02/2010
Clayface... Not a chance in the "real world" of Nolan's Batuniverse.
Clayface... Not a chance in the "real world" of Nolan's Batuniverse.
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5:23PM on 11/02/2010
You mean the real world full of secret ninja armies, typical sci-fi comic-book Bat-gear, cars that turn into motorcycles, fear toxin, and temporarily giving Batman Dare Devil's powers? That real world?

Nolan's Batman is simply true to the comic. Making Batman "real world" would have been such a fuck up, and Nolan didn't do that. Just because it's more grounded than Burton's Batman doesn't make it "real".
You mean the real world full of secret ninja armies, typical sci-fi comic-book Bat-gear, cars that turn into motorcycles, fear toxin, and temporarily giving Batman Dare Devil's powers? That real world?

Nolan's Batman is simply true to the comic. Making Batman "real world" would have been such a fuck up, and Nolan didn't do that. Just because it's more grounded than Burton's Batman doesn't make it "real".
5:34PM on 11/02/2010
I kind of agree with Cathelotte. I believe what you mean is that the "real world" that Nolan created differs from the "Comic" world from the Spiderman movies, that relied a lot on CGI (erm... Sandman... you sucked balls). So yeah I think Clayface would be a bit too CGI - even though the Scarecrow was pulled off OK. I reckon Clayface is an unlikely bet.
I kind of agree with Cathelotte. I believe what you mean is that the "real world" that Nolan created differs from the "Comic" world from the Spiderman movies, that relied a lot on CGI (erm... Sandman... you sucked balls). So yeah I think Clayface would be a bit too CGI - even though the Scarecrow was pulled off OK. I reckon Clayface is an unlikely bet.
7:23PM on 11/02/2010
not sure a clayface if done by Nolan would be a post T2 shape-shifting monster! He'd be more of a master of disguise, perhaps utilizing makeup and other techniques to get the job done.
not sure a clayface if done by Nolan would be a post T2 shape-shifting monster! He'd be more of a master of disguise, perhaps utilizing makeup and other techniques to get the job done.
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4:59PM on 11/02/2010
I'm putting my money, and hope, on the pinguin! ..and pleeeaase get Hoffman!!! That would be the only combo to match Ledger's Joker!
I'm putting my money, and hope, on the pinguin! ..and pleeeaase get Hoffman!!! That would be the only combo to match Ledger's Joker!
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4:53PM on 11/02/2010
Please let this be true :D
Please let this be true :D
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4:45PM on 11/02/2010
"Clayface"? Dumb idea...if true? I doubt it.
"Clayface"? Dumb idea...if true? I doubt it.
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4:45PM on 11/02/2010
I'm down with Theron but I'd rather not see Gordon have an affair. I like him as a family man in Nolan's movies.. I wouldn't wanna see him cheat on his wife.
I'm down with Theron but I'd rather not see Gordon have an affair. I like him as a family man in Nolan's movies.. I wouldn't wanna see him cheat on his wife.
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4:18PM on 11/02/2010

Clayface

I dont think Clayface will suit in Nolan-verse of Batman. Also, i dont like the fact that Charlize Theron is considered for a role in TDKR.
But to come to think of it, Katie Holmes and Maggie did alright in the previous Bat films. Whatever Nolan decides to do, I am up for it.
I dont think Clayface will suit in Nolan-verse of Batman. Also, i dont like the fact that Charlize Theron is considered for a role in TDKR.
But to come to think of it, Katie Holmes and Maggie did alright in the previous Bat films. Whatever Nolan decides to do, I am up for it.
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4:08PM on 11/02/2010
i'd personally like to see the penguin
i'd personally like to see the penguin
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4:02PM on 11/02/2010
This would be awesome. I said it before that it would be great to see a villain that people wouldn't expect to be in this. Clayface is that. I would have loved to see Mr. Freeze but his story is worth its own movie like the animated Sub-Zero. I mean people immediately ruled out all these villains and only considered Riddler, Black Mask, and Hush, but this will be interesting to see how it works if it is true.
This would be awesome. I said it before that it would be great to see a villain that people wouldn't expect to be in this. Clayface is that. I would have loved to see Mr. Freeze but his story is worth its own movie like the animated Sub-Zero. I mean people immediately ruled out all these villains and only considered Riddler, Black Mask, and Hush, but this will be interesting to see how it works if it is true.
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4:02PM on 11/02/2010

Clayface could be done well

I doubt he will be a huge villain in the movie. But it would be cool to have a suspense throughout with Bruce not knowing if who he is talking to is a shape-shifting monster or the real person... I would only hope for not a lot of CG and to never really show clayface in full lighting. Even though some effects for Sandman were done well in SM3, clayface is a harder one to pull off.
I doubt he will be a huge villain in the movie. But it would be cool to have a suspense throughout with Bruce not knowing if who he is talking to is a shape-shifting monster or the real person... I would only hope for not a lot of CG and to never really show clayface in full lighting. Even though some effects for Sandman were done well in SM3, clayface is a harder one to pull off.
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3:45PM on 11/02/2010

Looking back at it...

Vera Farmiga would have made a great Rachel Dawes. I could easily see her playing a love interest to Bruce Wayne. Please no Catwoman!
Vera Farmiga would have made a great Rachel Dawes. I could easily see her playing a love interest to Bruce Wayne. Please no Catwoman!
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3:44PM on 11/02/2010

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'But then the BAT Line explodes out of Clayface's chest pulling Bat's to safety' Great scene.
'But then the BAT Line explodes out of Clayface's chest pulling Bat's to safety' Great scene.
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3:30PM on 11/02/2010

PERLMAN!

Sounds good to me, even if it is completely bogus information. If only Perlman were in the mix.
Sounds good to me, even if it is completely bogus information. If only Perlman were in the mix.
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3:23PM on 11/02/2010
They should go down an all-female route. Catwoman, Harley Quinn and Talia al Ghul. Love triangle between Bats, Cats and Talia.
They should go down an all-female route. Catwoman, Harley Quinn and Talia al Ghul. Love triangle between Bats, Cats and Talia.
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3:19PM on 11/02/2010
Would love to see Clayface in Nolan's universe.
Would love to see Clayface in Nolan's universe.
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3:18PM on 11/02/2010
I love vera Farmiga. She was great in the Departed and Up in the air and she would make a great love interest for bruce wayne.
I love vera Farmiga. She was great in the Departed and Up in the air and she would make a great love interest for bruce wayne.
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3:17PM on 11/02/2010
Dude. That scared the crap out of me.
Dude. That scared the crap out of me.
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3:12PM on 11/02/2010

Meh

I still prefer the idea of The Penguin as an arms dealer.
I still prefer the idea of The Penguin as an arms dealer.
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3:07PM on 11/02/2010

HAHAHA @ Tidbit

Dude, that shit was seriously fucked up....
Dude, that shit was seriously fucked up....
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