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02.25.2009

Joss Whedon spoke a little to Maxim about why DC comics don't make for particularly successful movies. Of course, Whedon himself is involved in the comics scene, having written The Astonishing X-Men until last year.

"Because, with that one big exception (Batman), DC's heroes are from a different era. They're from the era when they were creating gods.

"And the thing that made [rival publisher] Marvel Comics extraordinary was that they created people. Their characters didn't living in mythical cities, they lived in New York. They absolutely were a part of the world. Peter Parker's character (Spider-Man) was a tortured adolescent.

"DC's characters, like Wonder Woman and Superman and Green Lantern, were all very much removed from humanity. Batman was the only character they had who was so rooted in pain, that had that same gift that the Marvel characters had, which was that gift of humanity that we can relate to."


Joss Whedon currently does Dollhouse, which stars Eliza Dushku. There, look how easy that was:

Extra Tidbit: Whedon was an uncredited writer on SPEED.
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7:36PM on 02/26/2009
Whedon should never be allowed to comment on ANYTHING even remotely comic related after he fucked up X-Men. This guy is a one note joke. He did something mildly interesting with Firefly (even though it's like the Ice Pirates's retarded cousin) and has done J.S. since. Marvel has thier gods, DC has thiers. For every Superman there is a Thor...and Superman Returns sucked because it made no sense. He picked up...an island...of kryptonite. He had a kid WHEN HE WAS HUMAN and yet the kid still got
Whedon should never be allowed to comment on ANYTHING even remotely comic related after he fucked up X-Men. This guy is a one note joke. He did something mildly interesting with Firefly (even though it's like the Ice Pirates's retarded cousin) and has done J.S. since. Marvel has thier gods, DC has thiers. For every Superman there is a Thor...and Superman Returns sucked because it made no sense. He picked up...an island...of kryptonite. He had a kid WHEN HE WAS HUMAN and yet the kid still got his powers? Whedon and Singer, stay away from superhero flicks, thank you. While I'm on the subject...Rising Stars > Heroes
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12:46PM on 02/26/2009

*shakes head*

ok, i just read through the rest of this thread. so all the main dc characters were created to be "gods among men". yeah, the flashes were born w/ their power right? and so was batman, nightwing, and the green lanterns right? fucking morons. go read a george miller interview and don't post about things that you're ignorant to.
ok, i just read through the rest of this thread. so all the main dc characters were created to be "gods among men". yeah, the flashes were born w/ their power right? and so was batman, nightwing, and the green lanterns right? fucking morons. go read a george miller interview and don't post about things that you're ignorant to.
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12:41PM on 02/26/2009
yeah, how exactly are the green lanterns from earth removed from humanity? who decided to interview this jackass?
yeah, how exactly are the green lanterns from earth removed from humanity? who decided to interview this jackass?
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9:18PM on 02/25/2009

Umm...

Joss Whedon must not know much about Green Lantern. I mean both Hal Jordan and Kyle Rayner not to mention John Stewart have been through a lot and aren't removed from humanity and definitely have a lot of pain but that's why they're GL's because they can overcome that through Willpower.
Joss Whedon must not know much about Green Lantern. I mean both Hal Jordan and Kyle Rayner not to mention John Stewart have been through a lot and aren't removed from humanity and definitely have a lot of pain but that's why they're GL's because they can overcome that through Willpower.
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8:47PM on 02/25/2009

The Real Reason DC has lagged...

Remember that DC Comics is owned by Warner, a studio. Marvel has the flexibility over the last few years to have different studios put out their films, and now are actually doing it themselves. DC has the problem that Warner Bros has first look at everything , and sometimes that can take years of yes and no-ing a character. Which leads to years going by before anything is actually started.

But lets also remember this: V for Vendetta, published by DC. Constantine is DC(hey I liked it), and oh
Remember that DC Comics is owned by Warner, a studio. Marvel has the flexibility over the last few years to have different studios put out their films, and now are actually doing it themselves. DC has the problem that Warner Bros has first look at everything , and sometimes that can take years of yes and no-ing a character. Which leads to years going by before anything is actually started.

But lets also remember this: V for Vendetta, published by DC. Constantine is DC(hey I liked it), and oh yeah. This little movie coming out next Friday, you know the one, I think its called Watchmen???? Yeah, DC.

While those aren't really your elite characters like The Flash, Green Lantern and all, its not like they havent had their properties out there. And as far as their flaw being they are too god-like, well that doesnt hurt them from absolutely blowing away Marvel on the animated department. Justice League blew away any and all Marvel related ongoing series, and while the Marvel dvd releases are solid (Ultimate Avengers, Dr Strange, Next Avengers, Hulk Vs. The Iron Man one sucked ass), The DC animated movies have been outstanding (Superman/Doomsday, JL: The New Frontier, Batman: Gotham Knight, and the new Wonder Woman). So maybe if the guys at DC had a little more say over their properties, maybe there would be a laundry list of movies in production as well. But for now, I can say I'm more excited for Green Lantern than I am for any of the Marvel movies. Even Captain America.
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7:58PM on 02/25/2009
I agree with Whedon for the most part, but while I currently read both DC and Marvel, I prefer the escapism DC offers. The closer to reality you get, the more depressing it becomes. I swear, every issue of Spider-Man should end with him cutting himself.
I agree with Whedon for the most part, but while I currently read both DC and Marvel, I prefer the escapism DC offers. The closer to reality you get, the more depressing it becomes. I swear, every issue of Spider-Man should end with him cutting himself.
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6:44PM on 02/25/2009
Wow, Maxim magazine!!! What an honnor to be quoted in such a reknown publication.
Wow, Maxim magazine!!! What an honnor to be quoted in such a reknown publication.
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5:48PM on 02/25/2009
I guess Joss never watched "Justice League Unlimited" either. Pretty humanistic portrayals of god-like characters in every episode.
I guess Joss never watched "Justice League Unlimited" either. Pretty humanistic portrayals of god-like characters in every episode.
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5:37PM on 02/25/2009
"While I agree with what he said, anyone can easily come to this conclusion. Whedon is an overrated tool. He hasn't done anything good."
Says the guy called 'PuffCity' on an internet message board. There's a reason that he's quoted in Maxim, and you're not. Also, if you AGREE with him, why are you insulting him?
"While I agree with what he said, anyone can easily come to this conclusion. Whedon is an overrated tool. He hasn't done anything good."
Says the guy called 'PuffCity' on an internet message board. There's a reason that he's quoted in Maxim, and you're not. Also, if you AGREE with him, why are you insulting him?
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5:04PM on 02/25/2009
I liked SUPERMAN RETURNS, but there were things that I didn't like. Kate Bosworth as Lois Lane for one, the son, the fact that it was more or less a re-make of SUPERMAN 1. But I loved Routh and Kevin Spacey was a terrific Lex Luthor. As long as they got someone as talented as Singer to direct, I wouldn't mind if he didn't come back (I still have naive hope that he'll re-make X-MEN 3) just as long as they keep Routh and Spacey if they bring Luthor back.

I like Whedon's work, but he doesn't
I liked SUPERMAN RETURNS, but there were things that I didn't like. Kate Bosworth as Lois Lane for one, the son, the fact that it was more or less a re-make of SUPERMAN 1. But I loved Routh and Kevin Spacey was a terrific Lex Luthor. As long as they got someone as talented as Singer to direct, I wouldn't mind if he didn't come back (I still have naive hope that he'll re-make X-MEN 3) just as long as they keep Routh and Spacey if they bring Luthor back.

I like Whedon's work, but he doesn't seem to be very smart with his choices. Think about it, after his experiences with Fox, why does he keep giving them his TV shows? He should know by now they're just going to cancel them.
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4:23PM on 02/25/2009

I like SR

I dont understand why everyone hates on Superman Returns. I thought it was great. I remember when it first came out, it was the buzz of fanboys & It still sits around the 75% mark on RT.

it seems now everyone is buying in to what the studios say about it. Just cuz they didnt like it because it made a "measley" $200+ million and want to do a reboot, everyone seems to agree with them, when they're not listening to what their original opinions were.

i say keep singer and routh - they did a
I dont understand why everyone hates on Superman Returns. I thought it was great. I remember when it first came out, it was the buzz of fanboys & It still sits around the 75% mark on RT.

it seems now everyone is buying in to what the studios say about it. Just cuz they didnt like it because it made a "measley" $200+ million and want to do a reboot, everyone seems to agree with them, when they're not listening to what their original opinions were.

i say keep singer and routh - they did a FANTASTIC job, despite what the studio says.
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3:28PM on 02/25/2009
I don't care about why they haven't been made yet, just give us a Green Lantern movie and a Flash movie, stat!

The Green Lantern script that's in production is supposed to be fantastic.
I don't care about why they haven't been made yet, just give us a Green Lantern movie and a Flash movie, stat!

The Green Lantern script that's in production is supposed to be fantastic.
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3:00PM on 02/25/2009

In hindsight...

I think that the (clueless) question is more to blame than Whedon's debatable answer. Just because Superman Returns "underperformed" doesn't mean DC characters lend themselves less easily to the big screen treatment. Or that they bring less cash home (TDK, anyone?).

Bottom line: don't expect any insightful or revelatory answer from someone when he's questioned by a - hum - "journalist" from Pulitzer-winning Maxim Magazine, the printed equivalent of 4 chan.
I think that the (clueless) question is more to blame than Whedon's debatable answer. Just because Superman Returns "underperformed" doesn't mean DC characters lend themselves less easily to the big screen treatment. Or that they bring less cash home (TDK, anyone?).

Bottom line: don't expect any insightful or revelatory answer from someone when he's questioned by a - hum - "journalist" from Pulitzer-winning Maxim Magazine, the printed equivalent of 4 chan.
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2:53PM on 02/25/2009
While I agree with what he said, anyone can easily come to this conclusion. Whedon is an overrated tool. He hasn't done anything good.
While I agree with what he said, anyone can easily come to this conclusion. Whedon is an overrated tool. He hasn't done anything good.
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2:42PM on 02/25/2009
It's an interesting statement, but if you look at the first two Superman films, they take a very human approach on one of the "gods" if you will. Richard Donner made Clark Kent accessible to the everyman, which in turn, makes Superman more accessible to the audience, something Singer wasn't able to accomplish in Superman Returns. With the exception of Batman, I just think that DC hasn't had the best luck lately with getting the material off of the ground, I don't really think it has anything to
It's an interesting statement, but if you look at the first two Superman films, they take a very human approach on one of the "gods" if you will. Richard Donner made Clark Kent accessible to the everyman, which in turn, makes Superman more accessible to the audience, something Singer wasn't able to accomplish in Superman Returns. With the exception of Batman, I just think that DC hasn't had the best luck lately with getting the material off of the ground, I don't really think it has anything to do with the characters themselves.
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2:35PM on 02/25/2009
As a kid, I always identified with the Marvel characters because they were flawed like the rest of us. However, I wanted to be more like Superman because he always did the right thing, always gave humanity hope, and put the needs of others before himself every time. Superman always seemed like the guy who was sent to earth to save us from ourselves and maybe in more cynical times he doesn't seem relevant, but this is an aspect of his personality that I hope never changes.

My mantra: What
As a kid, I always identified with the Marvel characters because they were flawed like the rest of us. However, I wanted to be more like Superman because he always did the right thing, always gave humanity hope, and put the needs of others before himself every time. Superman always seemed like the guy who was sent to earth to save us from ourselves and maybe in more cynical times he doesn't seem relevant, but this is an aspect of his personality that I hope never changes.

My mantra: What Would Superman Do?
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2:23PM on 02/25/2009
Whedon is absolutely on the money, never mind if there are exceptions or not. And as far as I can tell he isn't saying it's impossible for DC to pull it off, just that Marvel lends itself much more easily to adaptation, that with few exceptions DC universe is much more fantastical and thus it can be more difficult to identify with the characters. And the characters he's referring to are the big iconic ones.

And while DC may be doing its share of humanizing, it's doing it at a slower rate.
Whedon is absolutely on the money, never mind if there are exceptions or not. And as far as I can tell he isn't saying it's impossible for DC to pull it off, just that Marvel lends itself much more easily to adaptation, that with few exceptions DC universe is much more fantastical and thus it can be more difficult to identify with the characters. And the characters he's referring to are the big iconic ones.

And while DC may be doing its share of humanizing, it's doing it at a slower rate. Let's not forget that Whedon, for a long time, wrestled with one of DC's biggest properties, with no success.
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2:20PM on 02/25/2009
Caats,

you misinterpreted the quote entirely. Real doesnt equal gritty, and too many people think so.

DC characters were created as gods among men. MArvels characters including the non-street level people, a la X-Men, Spiderman, and Iron Man (the successful franchises) were created as men, real people, who gain power.

You were meant to idolize DC characters, and relate to Marvel characters (not necessarily by design). At this point though, each publisher has a little bit of both in
Caats,

you misinterpreted the quote entirely. Real doesnt equal gritty, and too many people think so.

DC characters were created as gods among men. MArvels characters including the non-street level people, a la X-Men, Spiderman, and Iron Man (the successful franchises) were created as men, real people, who gain power.

You were meant to idolize DC characters, and relate to Marvel characters (not necessarily by design). At this point though, each publisher has a little bit of both in each of their characters.
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2:16PM on 02/25/2009
i agree.

DC comics were created to be gods in a sense. When people talk about comics being modern myths they are certainly talking about the original DC characters.

But while they were created to be god-like, they certainly have evolved into the human portrayals that Marvel made a name for.

Biggest problem with DC is the tonal and character changes from era to era has split the fan group. How many HAl vs Kyle arguments are there. How many Wally vs Barry? In the end its the numerous
i agree.

DC comics were created to be gods in a sense. When people talk about comics being modern myths they are certainly talking about the original DC characters.

But while they were created to be god-like, they certainly have evolved into the human portrayals that Marvel made a name for.

Biggest problem with DC is the tonal and character changes from era to era has split the fan group. How many HAl vs Kyle arguments are there. How many Wally vs Barry? In the end its the numerous versions that have left a number of creators leaving DC movies because of "creative differences"
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2:16PM on 02/25/2009
Said the guy who couldn't pen a workable "Wonder Woman" script.
Said the guy who couldn't pen a workable "Wonder Woman" script.
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2:11PM on 02/25/2009
this is dumb. it's not like marvel's characters who are grounded in reality or gritty have made great movies (punisher, daredevil). all the DC characters can be in good movies. it's already proven so. dumb quote
this is dumb. it's not like marvel's characters who are grounded in reality or gritty have made great movies (punisher, daredevil). all the DC characters can be in good movies. it's already proven so. dumb quote
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1:42PM on 02/25/2009

I LIKE BOTH DC and MARVEL

I like both DC and Marvel.

I'm 25 now, and I think Marvel did a better job of publicizing their characters in the 90s (X-Men, Spider-Man, etc) with their cartoons. However, DC still had the animated Batman and Superman which were better in quality.

Actually now, (If Joss is paying attention) DC is humanizing their characters like crazy since the 2000s.

Again, I like both companies. I think the fact that DC has GODLIKE character kinda makes them more..majestic anyway.
I like both DC and Marvel.

I'm 25 now, and I think Marvel did a better job of publicizing their characters in the 90s (X-Men, Spider-Man, etc) with their cartoons. However, DC still had the animated Batman and Superman which were better in quality.

Actually now, (If Joss is paying attention) DC is humanizing their characters like crazy since the 2000s.

Again, I like both companies. I think the fact that DC has GODLIKE character kinda makes them more..majestic anyway.
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1:41PM on 02/25/2009
meh, hes got a point, but hes being totally one sided, i mean hes focusing on characters like superman and green lantern but DC also has Jonah Hex, Watchmen and Marvel has people like Thor and Galactus (who is way more powerful than any of DC's characters) so yea, i think whedon is just being totally biased here.
meh, hes got a point, but hes being totally one sided, i mean hes focusing on characters like superman and green lantern but DC also has Jonah Hex, Watchmen and Marvel has people like Thor and Galactus (who is way more powerful than any of DC's characters) so yea, i think whedon is just being totally biased here.
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12:56PM on 02/25/2009
I'm not a Marvel or DC fan, but I definitely find myself attracted to the Marvel comics more. Batman is maybe the greatest superhero of all-time, but he shares that with Wolverine. Both are good in my opinion, but Marvel seemed to characters I like better.
I'm not a Marvel or DC fan, but I definitely find myself attracted to the Marvel comics more. Batman is maybe the greatest superhero of all-time, but he shares that with Wolverine. Both are good in my opinion, but Marvel seemed to characters I like better.
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12:30PM on 02/25/2009

That cover...

makes me an instant supporter of Eliza Dushku for Black Widow. I didn't know why everyone was dropping her name in the discussion (albeit it was more pertinent than Monica Belucci or Milla Jovovich - not to mention Scarlet Johansson) but now I'm sold. It's Eliza Dushku or Mila Kunis, period.

As for Whedon's reasoning, I think it stands for Superman Returns, but that's all. Marvel flicks "worked" because they greenlit a shitload of them, and got away with murder. Now they perfected their fan
makes me an instant supporter of Eliza Dushku for Black Widow. I didn't know why everyone was dropping her name in the discussion (albeit it was more pertinent than Monica Belucci or Milla Jovovich - not to mention Scarlet Johansson) but now I'm sold. It's Eliza Dushku or Mila Kunis, period.

As for Whedon's reasoning, I think it stands for Superman Returns, but that's all. Marvel flicks "worked" because they greenlit a shitload of them, and got away with murder. Now they perfected their fan service policy to a point where you just have to drop random references ("OMG!!! Teh War Machine!!!") and people blow their wad.
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