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Why so serious? First look at Gotham's version of the Joker

02.10.2015

If you are one of the people who has stopped watching FOX's GOTHAM, last night's episode gave a nice origin story for Jonathan Crane (AKA Scarecrow). But, if you stuck around for the preview of next week's episode, you would have seen that the DC Comics series is about to introduce Batman's biggest foe and provide an all new origin for The Joker.

While the trailer doesn't specifically refer to him as The Joker, the creepy grin, maniacal laugh, and teased rundown of all the villains introduced to late is a pretty good indicator along with the promise that this bad guy is "no joke".

SHAMELESS fans may recognize the actor as Cameron Monaghan who plays Ian Gallagher on the Showtime series. The press release for the episode has him listed as a character named Jerome which does not seem to link to any existing origin stories for The Joker. As an unreliable narrator, DC Comics has had a wide array of backstories for the villain, but I would expect GOTHAM to drag this one out and develop the character over several episodes (and possibly seasons).

Next week's episode, entitled "The Blind Fortune Teller", will also showcase the parents of Dick Grayson (AKA Robin). Who knows, maybe Jerome here had something to do with their untimely demise.

GOTHAM airs Mondays on FOX.

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12:33AM on 02/12/2015
WTF, is this shit?
WTF, is this shit?
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3:59PM on 02/11/2015

The Problem Child is in Gotham?

The first episode was too quick to show multiple characters for me so I lost interest, if i had any to begin with but like most films now adays they don't focus on the character/characters but the plot being the main focus. Don't focus on the main character/characters but the plot and the character/characters will thrive. Gotham wants to do something similar but just can't bring its self to do it with the fear of viewers losing interest if there isn't a known villain to keep them interested.
The first episode was too quick to show multiple characters for me so I lost interest, if i had any to begin with but like most films now adays they don't focus on the character/characters but the plot being the main focus. Don't focus on the main character/characters but the plot and the character/characters will thrive. Gotham wants to do something similar but just can't bring its self to do it with the fear of viewers losing interest if there isn't a known villain to keep them interested. That shows they don't have confidence in their product and having to bring in characters unusually early and out of sorts to what is know in the history of Batman. Especially all pretty much at the same time and not odd one or two now and then.
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8:43AM on 02/11/2015
The Joker doesn't have an origin story. The character only works because he is the exact opposite of Batman. In a world where Batman doesn't exist yet, there is no reason for him to exist. For all we know, up to the point where Batman exists he could have been an ordinary, unremarkable person you passed by in the street, or he could have been a mythical bogeyman who feeds on chaos once in every millennium. We could never know.
The Joker doesn't have an origin story. The character only works because he is the exact opposite of Batman. In a world where Batman doesn't exist yet, there is no reason for him to exist. For all we know, up to the point where Batman exists he could have been an ordinary, unremarkable person you passed by in the street, or he could have been a mythical bogeyman who feeds on chaos once in every millennium. We could never know.
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8:36AM on 02/11/2015

Horrible casting choice.

Much like most of this show, it has just a very bland cast. The script always sucks and Agent Carter far surpasses this horrible show in terms of quality.
Much like most of this show, it has just a very bland cast. The script always sucks and Agent Carter far surpasses this horrible show in terms of quality.
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12:52AM on 02/11/2015

Holy shit

Such a bad casting choice...the gay kid from shameless as the joker?? Jesus christ this show needs to be taken out back and shot
Such a bad casting choice...the gay kid from shameless as the joker?? Jesus christ this show needs to be taken out back and shot
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7:45AM on 02/11/2015
Yeah, as bad as Heath Ledger, I mean...oh wait...
Yeah, as bad as Heath Ledger, I mean...oh wait...
3:14AM on 02/12/2015
drexxell you're an idiot
drexxell you're an idiot
11:06PM on 02/10/2015
I have been watching the show since its first episode. I admit I am a fan of both Marvel shows, Flash but not Arrow (hated the character in the comics), and comic book media in general. I was optimistic at first, but that optimism has been gone for months. I have praised the shows on the few high notes its given, recent Scarecrow origin being one of them. I have bashed it on its low notes, namely anything with Fish or Bruce or Cat or Barbara in it. Damn that list of lows is long lol. But I
I have been watching the show since its first episode. I admit I am a fan of both Marvel shows, Flash but not Arrow (hated the character in the comics), and comic book media in general. I was optimistic at first, but that optimism has been gone for months. I have praised the shows on the few high notes its given, recent Scarecrow origin being one of them. I have bashed it on its low notes, namely anything with Fish or Bruce or Cat or Barbara in it. Damn that list of lows is long lol. But I won't give up watching the show and I will give them a chance on this Joker origin. I do agree that the fog of his origin is part of what makes the character so interesting, and that this could do more harm than good. But that kids smile and laugh, man does it seem creepily spot on and the thing of nightmares. I'll give it a chance.
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8:07PM on 02/10/2015

Fuck Gotham

Fuck Gotham up its stupid asshole. Half of these writers haven't probably read a comic book. Jesus Christ, did they hire every rich person's bratty kid to write this or did they just find someone at temple who looked jewish enough to fit in Hollywood. No offense against the Joker actor (i liked your work in Shameless) but a lot of batman villains Bruce wayne didn't meet until he was older. My cock could write a better Batman show than this herpes filled shit show. In the word of The Acacia
Fuck Gotham up its stupid asshole. Half of these writers haven't probably read a comic book. Jesus Christ, did they hire every rich person's bratty kid to write this or did they just find someone at temple who looked jewish enough to fit in Hollywood. No offense against the Joker actor (i liked your work in Shameless) but a lot of batman villains Bruce wayne didn't meet until he was older. My cock could write a better Batman show than this herpes filled shit show. In the word of The Acacia Strain, JESUS FUCKING CHRIST.
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7:02PM on 02/10/2015
Gotham became The Muppet Babies way too fast.
Gotham became The Muppet Babies way too fast.
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6:47PM on 02/10/2015
Eww, No. So far Gotham hasn't stood out that much. It should have just changed the title from Gotham to "Penguin".
Eww, No. So far Gotham hasn't stood out that much. It should have just changed the title from Gotham to "Penguin".
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6:41PM on 02/10/2015

Thank you, Gotham

Thanks, Fox. I've been looking for a reason to stop watching this crap. That's the final nail for me
Thanks, Fox. I've been looking for a reason to stop watching this crap. That's the final nail for me
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6:24PM on 02/10/2015
I don't even watch this show and I can tell you this is a bad idea. The Joker as a child? There's a reason he doesn't have a back story in the comics. It makes him who he is. Even taking into account The Killing Joke, it's not a definitive back story and he still remains something of an enigma, which is how it should be. The Joker is The Joker because he is the epitome of chaos. You give him a back story, you give him motivations, you show him as a kid, you destroy that. Sorry, but The Joker is
I don't even watch this show and I can tell you this is a bad idea. The Joker as a child? There's a reason he doesn't have a back story in the comics. It makes him who he is. Even taking into account The Killing Joke, it's not a definitive back story and he still remains something of an enigma, which is how it should be. The Joker is The Joker because he is the epitome of chaos. You give him a back story, you give him motivations, you show him as a kid, you destroy that. Sorry, but The Joker is one villain they should have either kept as an adult or not brought on at all.
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6:54PM on 02/10/2015
New 52 made The Killing Joke THE definitive Joker origins.
New 52 made The Killing Joke THE definitive Joker origins.
5:37PM on 02/10/2015
God, the bitching. If you want proof positive of why Hollywood makes and remakes the same shit over and over again with zero originality just look at the reaction when someone changes anything in a comic book adaptation. Good lord give it a rest people. The show is not about Batman but they're delivering small fan services here and there. Get over it or don't watch it (I don't).
God, the bitching. If you want proof positive of why Hollywood makes and remakes the same shit over and over again with zero originality just look at the reaction when someone changes anything in a comic book adaptation. Good lord give it a rest people. The show is not about Batman but they're delivering small fan services here and there. Get over it or don't watch it (I don't).
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6:54PM on 02/10/2015
I agree with you completely. I think it's a joy to see different interpretations of your favorite characters/series. Even comic books do it too with different [link] If we can't sift through the crap, we wouldn't get to the awesome.
I agree with you completely. I think it's a joy to see different interpretations of your favorite characters/series. Even comic books do it too with different [link] If we can't sift through the crap, we wouldn't get to the awesome.
8:02PM on 02/10/2015
It's not about the remake. It's about the bad acting and cringe worthy dialogue, and clichéd stories. Plus, the audience is shrinking.
It's not about the remake. It's about the bad acting and cringe worthy dialogue, and clichéd stories. Plus, the audience is shrinking.
9:26PM on 02/10/2015
If one wants to dissect bad acting and clichés, let's round up the Marvel movies
If one wants to dissect bad acting and clichés, let's round up the Marvel movies
5:21PM on 02/10/2015
Now, I am a huge DC Comics fan and I hate this freaking show so bad. They take way too many liberties with the source material. This is elseworlds in the worst kind of way. This show could have been great if it stuck to the Gotham PD and the hopelessness of Gordon's fight but instead they have turned it into "Look who we have now!!! You know this character". Starting with the Wayne's murder was fine but all the comic stuff should have stayed out of it. Young Penguin, that was fine to see how he
Now, I am a huge DC Comics fan and I hate this freaking show so bad. They take way too many liberties with the source material. This is elseworlds in the worst kind of way. This show could have been great if it stuck to the Gotham PD and the hopelessness of Gordon's fight but instead they have turned it into "Look who we have now!!! You know this character". Starting with the Wayne's murder was fine but all the comic stuff should have stayed out of it. Young Penguin, that was fine to see how he took over the underworld but it should have stayed there! GCPD trying to take down the mob would have been a great show, this sucks ass. I no longer watch.
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4:54PM on 02/10/2015
That promo alone was enough to solidify the fact that this show is terrible...
That promo alone was enough to solidify the fact that this show is terrible...
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4:16PM on 02/10/2015

I seriously don't understand...

I don't understand how Gotham gets so much hate and Arrow is so praised by the masses here, even though (although somewhat entertaining) it suffers from shallow writing, teen soap opera tropes, and generic characters. At least Gotham is consistent. That's beside the point I suppose. People have their opinions.
I'm a fan of the show, but I don't like that they're doing this with The Joker. I remember the producers saying that his identity would remain a secret until the series finale and I
I don't understand how Gotham gets so much hate and Arrow is so praised by the masses here, even though (although somewhat entertaining) it suffers from shallow writing, teen soap opera tropes, and generic characters. At least Gotham is consistent. That's beside the point I suppose. People have their opinions.
I'm a fan of the show, but I don't like that they're doing this with The Joker. I remember the producers saying that his identity would remain a secret until the series finale and I was on board with it. Hopefully this is just another red herring.
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5:24PM on 02/10/2015
People, like myself, love Arrow because it doesn't completely throw out where it comes from and stays basically true to the source. Gotham just throws in name only characters at you while wiping it's ass with the comics. It's just like Smallville in that way, which I also hated.
People, like myself, love Arrow because it doesn't completely throw out where it comes from and stays basically true to the source. Gotham just throws in name only characters at you while wiping it's ass with the comics. It's just like Smallville in that way, which I also hated.
4:00PM on 02/10/2015
Goddammit!! Everything about this show infuriates me. This is why you cannot do a Batman show without Batman. It just dilutes everything about the character and sends everything towards the "campy" version of the character. The Joker works as a character because he has no back story. No one is ever sure of where he comes from, he is the pure embodiment of chaos. Shame on Gotham for thinking it's important enough to create an origin story for The Joker.

That being said, the current
Goddammit!! Everything about this show infuriates me. This is why you cannot do a Batman show without Batman. It just dilutes everything about the character and sends everything towards the "campy" version of the character. The Joker works as a character because he has no back story. No one is ever sure of where he comes from, he is the pure embodiment of chaos. Shame on Gotham for thinking it's important enough to create an origin story for The Joker.

That being said, the current iteration of The Joker in the Batman nu52 is a pretty cool take on him. Doesn't exactly say where he comes from, but opens the door for some pretty cool explanation of the character. Check out Batman: Endgame for more details.
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3:45PM on 02/10/2015
This show, even though it was renewed is DOA. After the holidays it had a 2.5 ratings share. Last night--1.8. It's only been up in the ratings three times since it started, and it's lost all of those gains. I think people are finally realizing how bad it is.
This show, even though it was renewed is DOA. After the holidays it had a 2.5 ratings share. Last night--1.8. It's only been up in the ratings three times since it started, and it's lost all of those gains. I think people are finally realizing how bad it is.
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3:45PM on 02/10/2015
Totally agree with everyone on here - this show is absolute dog shit, the only known cause for this show being continued would be for it to be used on foreign prisoners to get Intel instead of water boarding them. Seriously lead acting from the guy that plays Gordon is embarrassing - I gave it up a long time ago. This isn't even on a par with AOS or my personal favourite at the moment - The Flash
Totally agree with everyone on here - this show is absolute dog shit, the only known cause for this show being continued would be for it to be used on foreign prisoners to get Intel instead of water boarding them. Seriously lead acting from the guy that plays Gordon is embarrassing - I gave it up a long time ago. This isn't even on a par with AOS or my personal favourite at the moment - The Flash
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3:35PM on 02/10/2015
This show is garbage.
This show is garbage.
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4:11PM on 02/10/2015
You were a fan of this show as recently as episode 10. What happened?
You were a fan of this show as recently as episode 10. What happened?
7:51PM on 02/10/2015
I was.......but then common sense kicked in. Too much disbelief for my liking and terrible writing.
I was.......but then common sense kicked in. Too much disbelief for my liking and terrible writing.
8:18PM on 02/10/2015
lol you just caught him redhanded. "common sense kicked in" re: he saw what the popular opinion was and he either A) jumped on board the band wagon or B) he let it sway his opinion and he became a follower instead of going with his own opinion.
lol you just caught him redhanded. "common sense kicked in" re: he saw what the popular opinion was and he either A) jumped on board the band wagon or B) he let it sway his opinion and he became a follower instead of going with his own opinion.
10:53PM on 02/10/2015
Oh shit ConMan....secret is out!!!
Oh shit ConMan....secret is out!!!
11:57PM on 02/10/2015
Dont think its a secret that everything is your favorite movie/actor ever. Or that you for one. Or that your opinions conflict and are all over the map.
Dont think its a secret that everything is your favorite movie/actor ever. Or that you for one. Or that your opinions conflict and are all over the map.
6:39AM on 02/11/2015
Mr bandwagon jumps again.
Mr bandwagon jumps again.
8:13AM on 02/11/2015
Hilarious.
Hilarious.
3:26PM on 02/10/2015
They're certainly burning through characters, aren't they? They should pump the brakes.
They're certainly burning through characters, aren't they? They should pump the brakes.
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3:20PM on 02/10/2015
No chance that is the Joker. Complete and total red herring
No chance that is the Joker. Complete and total red herring
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3:20PM on 02/10/2015
This show tries too hard
This show tries too hard
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