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Zack Snyder addresses the controversial ending of Man of Steel and why he feels it was necessary

06.18.2013

There is a dangerous new trend that started this summer with IRON MAN 3 and STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS where the filmmakers are being forced to defend their creative decisions in making their films. The latest addition to that series is Zack Snyder and MAN OF STEEL. By now you have likely seen MAN OF STEEL and either loved it or hated it. I, personally, liked it a lot with just a couple of minor issues. So, if you have not seen the film, stop reading now because we will be entering Spoiler Country from here.

Still around? Okay, here we go.

At the end of MAN OF STEEL, after Superman and Zod have laid waste to Metropolis, they descend into the hall of a train station where a helpless family is cowering against a wall. In his rage at the death of his fellow Kryptonians, Zod unleashes his heat vision on the family in front of him, fighting against Superman's choke hold as he vows to kill these innocents. Superman is visibly shaken at the idea of the death of these bystanders and is forced to make a choice. He chooses humanity over his birth race and snaps Zod's neck.

So, the question becomes one that has not been uttered since Alan Moore's iconic 1986 comic "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?" where Superman must kill, a rule he vowed never to break. While that comic was the end of an era, MAN OF STEEL is the beginning of a new one and already has the hero breaking his one rule. Many fans of the character have been upset by this scene in the movie, something director Zack Snyder lobbied to include.

IndieWire transcribed this quote from a podcast Snyder had with Empire Online:

David [S. Goyer], Chris [Nolan] and I had long talks about it, and I said that I really feel like we should kill Zod, and that Superman should kill him. The 'Why?' of it for me was that if was truly an origin story, his aversion to killing is unexplained… I wanted to create a scenario where Superman, either he's going to see [Metropolis' citizens] chopped in half, or he's gotta do what he's gotta do.”

It is interesting to look at MAN OF STEEL as a full origin tale. In this new world, Superman's rule had to originate from somewhere and seeing it happen this way does illustrate the point. But, where the film fails is not having him verbally swear never to kill again.

Or, maybe you disagree. Maybe this is a Superman for a new generation where the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one. Wait, wrong franchise. Do you think that Snyder, Goyer, and Nolan made the right call with having Superman kill Zod?

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Extra Tidbit: I am more concerned by the fact that everyone in Smallville now knows that Clark is Superman, as does Lois Lane and anyone else watching the events on the news. So how the hell can he use the alter ego when he starts working at The Daily Planet at the end? Oh, the glasses! I forgot!
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5:47AM on 06/22/2013
Superman: STOP!
Zod: Never.
Superman: CRAAAAAACKKK! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Nuff said people.
Superman: STOP!
Zod: Never.
Superman: CRAAAAAACKKK! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Nuff said people.
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5:20PM on 06/19/2013

Thank you Mr. President

Without you, Superman wouldn't have been able to be American.
Without you, Superman wouldn't have been able to be American.
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2:30PM on 06/19/2013

I liked this, but ......

I had many issues with the film (excessive cataclysmic damage, underdeveloped characters) but this surprisingly wasn't them. I don't like seeing Superman as a killer but this fit into the context of the scene and helped develop Zod's character even more. However, a perfect explanation for Clark/Superman being so against killing could have related back to the scene in which Jonathan implies he might have to let people die in order to keep his true nature a secret. A simple vow of "I can never
I had many issues with the film (excessive cataclysmic damage, underdeveloped characters) but this surprisingly wasn't them. I don't like seeing Superman as a killer but this fit into the context of the scene and helped develop Zod's character even more. However, a perfect explanation for Clark/Superman being so against killing could have related back to the scene in which Jonathan implies he might have to let people die in order to keep his true nature a secret. A simple vow of "I can never let that happen" or something would have given his no killing rule an origin point.
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2:04PM on 06/19/2013

Wow, makes me even want to see it more

I know i shouldnt even read all of this but i dont care, i'm seeing mos next week but i couldnt resist.

No more wimpy brave boyscout superman, this is a perfect way to show he has some humanity, push him to far and like any human he breaks(necks).
I'm sure in part 2 he will have build up a lot of guilt because of the death of so many people in the process of stopping Zod, but also because he saw no other way then take a life must make him feel like he failed or something, really cant wait.
I know i shouldnt even read all of this but i dont care, i'm seeing mos next week but i couldnt resist.

No more wimpy brave boyscout superman, this is a perfect way to show he has some humanity, push him to far and like any human he breaks(necks).
I'm sure in part 2 he will have build up a lot of guilt because of the death of so many people in the process of stopping Zod, but also because he saw no other way then take a life must make him feel like he failed or something, really cant wait.
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1:43PM on 06/19/2013

I have no issue with this.

The theater I was in cheered when Zod was killed. Superman does acknowledge the killing in the emotional kneeling scream. Besides, sequels always have characters reflect on previous events in movies to shape their future attitudes.
The theater I was in cheered when Zod was killed. Superman does acknowledge the killing in the emotional kneeling scream. Besides, sequels always have characters reflect on previous events in movies to shape their future attitudes.
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12:52PM on 06/19/2013
I fail to see the complication in this matter. To me Superman and Batman's first priority is to save lives and protect the innocent. Even in the comic I always felt that in the heat of the moment in a world saving situation they would do what was necessary to save lives. Such as Batman shooting Darkseid in Final Crisis and Superman killing Zod and Doomsday. They are unquestionably not supposed to take lives in cold blood and when they have the situation completely in hand, but if they need to
I fail to see the complication in this matter. To me Superman and Batman's first priority is to save lives and protect the innocent. Even in the comic I always felt that in the heat of the moment in a world saving situation they would do what was necessary to save lives. Such as Batman shooting Darkseid in Final Crisis and Superman killing Zod and Doomsday. They are unquestionably not supposed to take lives in cold blood and when they have the situation completely in hand, but if they need to in order to protect or save innocent lives that is totally different. Batman not killing The Joker when he is not in the process of endangering anyone is what I would expect, but when Two Face has a a gun to a little boy's head or Talia and some henchman are about to nuke an entire city, it is expected that this character will do whatever is necessary to save those lives in the moment. The end of Superman is exactly the same. Superman will do whatever is necessary to protect innocent lives. He had no choice and I found it even more heroic that rather then let one innocent die he took the pain upon himself to do what was necessary. Superman is supposed to be a good man and expire good in others, but he is not supposed to be an idiot and let innocent people die, because he won't break some rule to make himself feel better.
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10:21AM on 06/19/2013
I don't think that's really a big deal. In the comics Superman has been pushed as far as killing a villain before (i.e. Superboy Prime, Darkseid). Even in Nolan's trilogy they take liberties with Batman's one rule - Batman Begins he intentionally lets Ra's Al Ghul die and let's face it Bane wouldn't have been dying towards the end of Rises if Batman hadn't punched the mask off his face. So I don't really see any difference between the two. So what, if they choose to explain Superman's one
I don't think that's really a big deal. In the comics Superman has been pushed as far as killing a villain before (i.e. Superboy Prime, Darkseid). Even in Nolan's trilogy they take liberties with Batman's one rule - Batman Begins he intentionally lets Ra's Al Ghul die and let's face it Bane wouldn't have been dying towards the end of Rises if Batman hadn't punched the mask off his face. So I don't really see any difference between the two. So what, if they choose to explain Superman's one rule as he doesn't kill because he doesn't want to do it again. People are too nit-picky with Superheor Films.


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11:04AM on 06/19/2013
My thoughts exactly! I've had so many conversations this past week regarding this movie - and the one thing that I hear people say that irritates me is "well, in the old Superman movies....". Listen, if anyone wants the Superman of '70s and '80s - please go back and watch Christopher Reeves all you want. This is something new, so get on board and stop the relentless comparisons to the Superman of yesterday.
My thoughts exactly! I've had so many conversations this past week regarding this movie - and the one thing that I hear people say that irritates me is "well, in the old Superman movies....". Listen, if anyone wants the Superman of '70s and '80s - please go back and watch Christopher Reeves all you want. This is something new, so get on board and stop the relentless comparisons to the Superman of yesterday.
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9:44AM on 06/19/2013
When I saw the film the woman in front of me blurted out why didn't he just do that 12 scenes ago, which I think is a fair point. If Superman could just snap the neck of Zod so easily why didn't he just do it after he threatened Ma Kent? I think the writing of this movie left a lot to be desired and this was only a small part of the many flaws with the film.
When I saw the film the woman in front of me blurted out why didn't he just do that 12 scenes ago, which I think is a fair point. If Superman could just snap the neck of Zod so easily why didn't he just do it after he threatened Ma Kent? I think the writing of this movie left a lot to be desired and this was only a small part of the many flaws with the film.
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9:29AM on 06/19/2013
Superman does not have the same 'rule' as batman. in the comics he has killed before. And they show his guilt over it. In the Reeves movies he kills, they dont show any grief about it. Though the difference in comics is the guys he has killed usually come back to life somehow or turns out they werent really dead. the people complaining about this obviously dont know anything about Superman
Superman does not have the same 'rule' as batman. in the comics he has killed before. And they show his guilt over it. In the Reeves movies he kills, they dont show any grief about it. Though the difference in comics is the guys he has killed usually come back to life somehow or turns out they werent really dead. the people complaining about this obviously dont know anything about Superman
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9:11AM on 06/19/2013
I think I was more stunned at how Supes took Zod out more than anything. I know the crowd I saw it with was as stunned as I was at the brutality of it. I think what made it sink in so much was how they we're flying around and smashing the hell outta the city and then it comes down to an up close a personal snapping of the neck to stop him.
As for the Clark Kent charade, I always thought it was more of the fact that Clark came off as dorky and a klutz and even though he looked like Superman,
I think I was more stunned at how Supes took Zod out more than anything. I know the crowd I saw it with was as stunned as I was at the brutality of it. I think what made it sink in so much was how they we're flying around and smashing the hell outta the city and then it comes down to an up close a personal snapping of the neck to stop him.
As for the Clark Kent charade, I always thought it was more of the fact that Clark came off as dorky and a klutz and even though he looked like Superman, there was no way in hell this dork was the hero of the planet.
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8:11AM on 06/19/2013

Tid bit

"You don't read a lot of DC comics do you"

A great come back from Spider Man to Skeletor on his 2 nemesis He Man and Prince Adam. From a Twisted Toyfare Theater back in the day.
"You don't read a lot of DC comics do you"

A great come back from Spider Man to Skeletor on his 2 nemesis He Man and Prince Adam. From a Twisted Toyfare Theater back in the day.
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4:17AM on 06/19/2013
One day Superman is flying around Metropolis and sees Wonderwoman suntanning herself naked on a top of the Daily Planet. This gets him all horny and he starts thinking, "Hey, I'm faster than a speeding bullet. I can get down there, fuck her, and take off and she won't even know." So, in the blink of an eye, ole' Supes flies down and fucks her and takes off. Confused, Wonder Woman, "What the hell was that?", to which the Invisible Man responds, "I don't know, but my ass hurts like hell!"
One day Superman is flying around Metropolis and sees Wonderwoman suntanning herself naked on a top of the Daily Planet. This gets him all horny and he starts thinking, "Hey, I'm faster than a speeding bullet. I can get down there, fuck her, and take off and she won't even know." So, in the blink of an eye, ole' Supes flies down and fucks her and takes off. Confused, Wonder Woman, "What the hell was that?", to which the Invisible Man responds, "I don't know, but my ass hurts like hell!"
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12:25AM on 06/19/2013

The family died ?

Oh yeah it was PG-13 so it was off screen. I think the scene was decent. The movie was ok too, the story was weak. but the action made up for it.
Oh yeah it was PG-13 so it was off screen. I think the scene was decent. The movie was ok too, the story was weak. but the action made up for it.
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11:33PM on 06/18/2013
Maybe sups needs to swoop down and snap the panties out of the haters asses. I mean come on. What the hell else is he going to do?

Same goes for all the other shit people are complaining about like too much destruction. It's a superman movie! If he and his villain aren't throwing each other through buildings and leveling small towns id be pissed.
Maybe sups needs to swoop down and snap the panties out of the haters asses. I mean come on. What the hell else is he going to do?

Same goes for all the other shit people are complaining about like too much destruction. It's a superman movie! If he and his villain aren't throwing each other through buildings and leveling small towns id be pissed.
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11:09PM on 06/18/2013
I too had no problem with him killing Zod. What else could he really do? And either way, they needed a real mano a mano fight together.

As for the identity thing. Wasn't crazy about it at first, but the Clark Kent/Lois Lane relationship is one of the aspects of the comic that hasn't aged well with more cynical minds. Letting her in on the ruse solves that issue, although far too many other people now know who he is.

I kind of wanted to see Superman save more people, since that's what he's
I too had no problem with him killing Zod. What else could he really do? And either way, they needed a real mano a mano fight together.

As for the identity thing. Wasn't crazy about it at first, but the Clark Kent/Lois Lane relationship is one of the aspects of the comic that hasn't aged well with more cynical minds. Letting her in on the ruse solves that issue, although far too many other people now know who he is.

I kind of wanted to see Superman save more people, since that's what he's most famous for. Oh, and I hope the next movie uses the name Superman more, and not sparingly like they did with the Dark Knight movies.
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2:27AM on 06/19/2013
I know right? Superman saved (with his own hands) like three people all movie. If you count the obnoxious Lois Lane, then there's half a dozen more events, but Superman didn't protect jack shit as Superman. He saved more people as a kid on the bus. This disregards the terraforming thing of course
I know right? Superman saved (with his own hands) like three people all movie. If you count the obnoxious Lois Lane, then there's half a dozen more events, but Superman didn't protect jack shit as Superman. He saved more people as a kid on the bus. This disregards the terraforming thing of course
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10:30PM on 06/18/2013
Batman's one rule is to never kill. And that's because his nemeses are more or less grounded in reality. They can be locked up. They're more like evil freaks than actual supervillains. What sense would it make for Superman to have a similar rule? His enemies are from f*cking God knows where, with the ability to level - if not completely obliterate - entire worlds. Seriously, Snyder would have to apologize if Superman DIDN'T kill. I'd assume Superman lacked the conviction to do what was
Batman's one rule is to never kill. And that's because his nemeses are more or less grounded in reality. They can be locked up. They're more like evil freaks than actual supervillains. What sense would it make for Superman to have a similar rule? His enemies are from f*cking God knows where, with the ability to level - if not completely obliterate - entire worlds. Seriously, Snyder would have to apologize if Superman DIDN'T kill. I'd assume Superman lacked the conviction to do what was necessary if he hadn't permanently stopped Zod from killing any more innocent people.
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9:59PM on 06/18/2013
I think it was a pretty effective "these hands have killed" moment. Look, General Zod practically spelled out his plan to commit global genocide on your adopted homeworld, his second-in-command very nearly killed Clark's mom, by this point he's already caused a great deal of damage to the military and to Metropolis and on top of all that he killed Jor-El. Plenty of reason to finally end it. Also, I love how the film ended with the line "welcome to the Planet" from Lois. That was a nice touch,
I think it was a pretty effective "these hands have killed" moment. Look, General Zod practically spelled out his plan to commit global genocide on your adopted homeworld, his second-in-command very nearly killed Clark's mom, by this point he's already caused a great deal of damage to the military and to Metropolis and on top of all that he killed Jor-El. Plenty of reason to finally end it. Also, I love how the film ended with the line "welcome to the Planet" from Lois. That was a nice touch, and I'm kinda surprised why people haven't been kicking up a fuss about Lois being in on Superman's secret identity from the very beginning (as imutau has mentioned) because that upends the status quo - but that didn't bother me.
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8:59PM on 06/18/2013
He needs to to justify

1. That lame Lois Lane kiss (not needed and really a lame way to kill any romantic tension between the two) . Hollywood strikes again requiring every movie to have a romantic interest (YUK!!)

2. Having her (Lois) be in on Supe's secret identity!! Yes I know the glasses wouldn't fool a 3 year old, BUT this is a movie based on comics man!!! If a guy can fly and hold up a freaking oil rig you could have at least passed off the glasses! You don't let people in on your
He needs to to justify

1. That lame Lois Lane kiss (not needed and really a lame way to kill any romantic tension between the two) . Hollywood strikes again requiring every movie to have a romantic interest (YUK!!)

2. Having her (Lois) be in on Supe's secret identity!! Yes I know the glasses wouldn't fool a 3 year old, BUT this is a movie based on comics man!!! If a guy can fly and hold up a freaking oil rig you could have at least passed off the glasses! You don't let people in on your secret identity regardless of how far fetched it is!! Especially in the first film.

3. And what's up with not having a freakin steady cam? Did we really need a shaky cameraman follow John Clarke around a beat up truck as he talks to his son in the middle of freakin nowhere? Either I sat too close or the film shook a lot as I had to turn away at points to stop from getting motion sickness.

On the good side, awesome casting of Supe's. If it wasn't for nostalgia I'd say he was better than Reeves. Zod? Awesome! Side Kick villians? Great, Jor-El? Great. Perry White? Um we are talking about Lawrence freakin Fishburn here!! Lois Lane.....Passable.

Again this was a great film and well worth seeing in the theatre for full price.
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8:13PM on 06/18/2013
Snyder and Co have done good with this film, damn good. It's frustrating to see that they see the need to defend against silly things like this.

Plus here I was thinking I was gonna have to wait until Expendables 3 for some good old fashioned neck snaps, but MoS provided 2 of the bad boys!
Snyder and Co have done good with this film, damn good. It's frustrating to see that they see the need to defend against silly things like this.

Plus here I was thinking I was gonna have to wait until Expendables 3 for some good old fashioned neck snaps, but MoS provided 2 of the bad boys!
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7:15PM on 06/18/2013
Zack Snyder doesn't have to explain himself to anybody. Screw the critics and the haters.
Zack Snyder doesn't have to explain himself to anybody. Screw the critics and the haters.
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7:05PM on 06/18/2013
Oh the part where Supes cracked that nigga's neck and screamed "NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!" Yeah, that was so powerful.
Oh the part where Supes cracked that nigga's neck and screamed "NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!" Yeah, that was so powerful.
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7:05PM on 06/18/2013

Duh...

Zack Snyder doesn't have to explain himself to anyone. Not only did Superman kill Zod in the second movie, he did it after he took away his powers. And he was smiling when he did it. Without any powers, Zod couldn't do anything to Superman. All they had to do was lock him up in maximum security but instead he throws him to his death. So, what's the problem?
Zack Snyder doesn't have to explain himself to anyone. Not only did Superman kill Zod in the second movie, he did it after he took away his powers. And he was smiling when he did it. Without any powers, Zod couldn't do anything to Superman. All they had to do was lock him up in maximum security but instead he throws him to his death. So, what's the problem?
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7:28PM on 06/18/2013
You hit the nail on the head. i think I've used your argument like a dozen times already!
You hit the nail on the head. i think I've used your argument like a dozen times already!
6:25PM on 06/18/2013
I was actually surprised to have seen Superman kill Zod because I thought maybe they would have used Zod in future sequels or for perhaps the Justice League film(s).

I had no problem with Superman killing Zod because Zod was going to kill that family and the only way Superman could defeat him at that point was by killing him. I thought the film did a great job of showing how angry and disappointed Superman was after he killer Zod by having him yell the second after he did it.

I thought
I was actually surprised to have seen Superman kill Zod because I thought maybe they would have used Zod in future sequels or for perhaps the Justice League film(s).

I had no problem with Superman killing Zod because Zod was going to kill that family and the only way Superman could defeat him at that point was by killing him. I thought the film did a great job of showing how angry and disappointed Superman was after he killer Zod by having him yell the second after he did it.

I thought it was a ballsy move and it paid off greatly. This is a Superman that will be tested and will have to possibly discover that he can't save everyone, regular citizen or villain.
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6:44PM on 06/18/2013
And Zod even says the only way this will end is if you die or I die..... I don't get that people have issue with this aspect.
And Zod even says the only way this will end is if you die or I die..... I don't get that people have issue with this aspect.
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5:59PM on 06/18/2013
How in the world is it dangerous that filmmakers are addressing the criticisms of their movies? You make a movie, someone disagrees with your choices, and you defend your choices. Where is the danger? nobody is forcing them to do it, they choose to because they feel their choice is correct and the criticism isn't valid.

does this trend of filmmakers addressing criticisms and defending their choices, which is what WE want to hear, need you to sensationalize it like a 13 year old girl who
How in the world is it dangerous that filmmakers are addressing the criticisms of their movies? You make a movie, someone disagrees with your choices, and you defend your choices. Where is the danger? nobody is forcing them to do it, they choose to because they feel their choice is correct and the criticism isn't valid.

does this trend of filmmakers addressing criticisms and defending their choices, which is what WE want to hear, need you to sensationalize it like a 13 year old girl who is freaking out about ugly because she has one pimple that nobody can actually see?
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5:40PM on 06/18/2013
The scream he let out afterward confirmed it wasn't easy for him.
The scream he let out afterward confirmed it wasn't easy for him.
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11:13AM on 06/19/2013
People need it spelled out for them. They basically want Superman to scream, "I don't like doing that!"
People need it spelled out for them. They basically want Superman to scream, "I don't like doing that!"
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5:28PM on 06/18/2013

It was greatly done

I think it was very well done, Zod pushed him there and it visually affected Superman to have to do what he did. But it confirms that we will do what he must to protect humanity.
I think it was very well done, Zod pushed him there and it visually affected Superman to have to do what he did. But it confirms that we will do what he must to protect humanity.
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5:26PM on 06/18/2013

I thought your tidbit...

was the point of the headline. I was more shocked by having him don the stupid glasses and play the charade of Clark Kent at the Daily Planet.

That sucked. Killing Zod? I'm in!
was the point of the headline. I was more shocked by having him don the stupid glasses and play the charade of Clark Kent at the Daily Planet.

That sucked. Killing Zod? I'm in!
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5:25PM on 06/18/2013
Zod was one evil muther-f*cker! He was a prick who killed Superman's father. I was actually WAITING for Supes to kill the big Z! He did in Superman II. There was no other way! What, was he gonna let him live and allow him to go on killing everybody on Earth? Come on, man! Only Batman has the grand "no guns, no killing" rule that is made evident. (At first, I actually thought that Superman was so upset afterwards b/c he turned Zod's heat-vision stare in the direction of the family).
Zod was one evil muther-f*cker! He was a prick who killed Superman's father. I was actually WAITING for Supes to kill the big Z! He did in Superman II. There was no other way! What, was he gonna let him live and allow him to go on killing everybody on Earth? Come on, man! Only Batman has the grand "no guns, no killing" rule that is made evident. (At first, I actually thought that Superman was so upset afterwards b/c he turned Zod's heat-vision stare in the direction of the family). Regardless, people need to chill the hell out. The movie was awesome!!!
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5:29PM on 06/18/2013
It was actually worse in Superman II! He killed him after he took his powers away LOL.
It was actually worse in Superman II! He killed him after he took his powers away LOL.
6:53PM on 06/18/2013
What are you guys talking about? Superman didn´t killed Zod and his goons in Superman 2.
What are you guys talking about? Superman didn´t killed Zod and his goons in Superman 2.
5:20PM on 06/18/2013
What no one seems to think about is that perhaps the ending is a setup for the future.
In the movie it deeply affects him to have to do it.
This ending does not mean Superman will kill from now on, this may be the incident that he will look back as what causes him to vow to never kill again.
What no one seems to think about is that perhaps the ending is a setup for the future.
In the movie it deeply affects him to have to do it.
This ending does not mean Superman will kill from now on, this may be the incident that he will look back as what causes him to vow to never kill again.
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5:18PM on 06/18/2013
Superman was also forced to kill Zod and his two followers in the comics back in the 80s. This one act haunted him long after and he vowed that he would never kill again. As long as something similar is accomplished here I think Snyder makes a valid point.
Superman was also forced to kill Zod and his two followers in the comics back in the 80s. This one act haunted him long after and he vowed that he would never kill again. As long as something similar is accomplished here I think Snyder makes a valid point.
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4:44PM on 06/18/2013

Fucking A!!!

All of these people bitching about people bitching are right on!!! How dare any of you have an opinion, much less express it? You should just be grateful that you are allowed to pay $40 to go to the movies! Whatever they bother to put on the screen is just icing on the cake, and you should just accept it without question, opinion or debate of any kind!

But no, you people just go on talking about the movies on a movie website like you care about movies, and even dare to be critical if you
All of these people bitching about people bitching are right on!!! How dare any of you have an opinion, much less express it? You should just be grateful that you are allowed to pay $40 to go to the movies! Whatever they bother to put on the screen is just icing on the cake, and you should just accept it without question, opinion or debate of any kind!

But no, you people just go on talking about the movies on a movie website like you care about movies, and even dare to be critical if you think a movie isn't good!!! It's unbelievable! I look forward to the day that the thought police take away our ability to consider, reason or descent in any way and the world can pass us by in a gloomy haze which we have no thoughts or feelings about!!!
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4:43PM on 06/18/2013
But Superman killed probably thousands leading up to that scene. Yes, indirecly, but still. Towards the end, the movie lacked any heroism. It was just more concerned with explosions and buildings collapsing. Yes, Superman saves the world, I get it, but David Goyer's slopping writing dragged down Synder's direction.
But Superman killed probably thousands leading up to that scene. Yes, indirecly, but still. Towards the end, the movie lacked any heroism. It was just more concerned with explosions and buildings collapsing. Yes, Superman saves the world, I get it, but David Goyer's slopping writing dragged down Synder's direction.
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4:38PM on 06/18/2013
I had no idea this was controversial. In fact, no one I know has mentioned this amid all the other criticism of the movie. Personally, I feel like it was a pretty powerful point about the character, especially his reaction to having to do this. I don't know Superman all that well, and while I understand that he is ultimately a good guy who doesn't have to kill, I also know he's done so. I think the bigger point in the film, and with his cry, was that he was forced to kill what was basically the
I had no idea this was controversial. In fact, no one I know has mentioned this amid all the other criticism of the movie. Personally, I feel like it was a pretty powerful point about the character, especially his reaction to having to do this. I don't know Superman all that well, and while I understand that he is ultimately a good guy who doesn't have to kill, I also know he's done so. I think the bigger point in the film, and with his cry, was that he was forced to kill what was basically the last of his race in order to prevent a mass murder. That, to me, is more powerful than Superman killing in the name of justice. I thought this was a good reboot for the character and I hope that they continue to go with a more emotionally fleshed out character as they did in Man of Steel.
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4:36PM on 06/18/2013

He can do whatever he wants...

Its not a question of Superman killing, the issue is did it feel right or did it feel plugged in? Was it really what Superman would have done in that moment or did it come across as a limitation of the scriptwriters imagination or director's execution. Superman and Zod could have just as easily stopped and hugged it out and it would have felt almost as plugged in. For me THAT is the issue, not that he killed but that it just felt like something they did. That goes for many moments in the movie,
Its not a question of Superman killing, the issue is did it feel right or did it feel plugged in? Was it really what Superman would have done in that moment or did it come across as a limitation of the scriptwriters imagination or director's execution. Superman and Zod could have just as easily stopped and hugged it out and it would have felt almost as plugged in. For me THAT is the issue, not that he killed but that it just felt like something they did. That goes for many moments in the movie, its superficial stuff. Expository dialog does not fix this shit.
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4:46PM on 06/18/2013
Exactly, letting Goyer have control of the script is beyond me. Snyder gets too visual, but he's capable of making a good movie, where as Goyer cannot write a good script when he's by himself.
Exactly, letting Goyer have control of the script is beyond me. Snyder gets too visual, but he's capable of making a good movie, where as Goyer cannot write a good script when he's by himself.
12:11AM on 06/19/2013
Your post comes off like, "oh, I just didn't like that." Can you come up with a real reason why Superman would never kill? You can't use previous comics or movies in your argument because Superman has killed in both of them.

Expository dialogue didn't justify this, the entire second half of the movie did.
Your post comes off like, "oh, I just didn't like that." Can you come up with a real reason why Superman would never kill? You can't use previous comics or movies in your argument because Superman has killed in both of them.

Expository dialogue didn't justify this, the entire second half of the movie did.
4:35PM on 06/18/2013

Um....

Didn't he kill Zod in Superman 2? Was there crying then? I like how Snyder explained that his rule had to come from some event. Who knows, it could haunt Supes in the sequel. Plus how was he gonna stop Zod? There was no changing Zods ways.
Didn't he kill Zod in Superman 2? Was there crying then? I like how Snyder explained that his rule had to come from some event. Who knows, it could haunt Supes in the sequel. Plus how was he gonna stop Zod? There was no changing Zods ways.
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4:31PM on 06/18/2013
Those complaining about Man of steel just don't know the character well IMO... and miss the point of an origin story.. I think the ending was great and serve his purpose for bringing the hero that Superman need to be.. I'd rather like this ending than the one of Superman 2 which is more subject of complaints. I really love this version of superman and i can't wait to see more!!!! Now give us a good Brainiac :D
Those complaining about Man of steel just don't know the character well IMO... and miss the point of an origin story.. I think the ending was great and serve his purpose for bringing the hero that Superman need to be.. I'd rather like this ending than the one of Superman 2 which is more subject of complaints. I really love this version of superman and i can't wait to see more!!!! Now give us a good Brainiac :D
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4:13PM on 06/18/2013

For those saying he should've been banished to the Phantom Zone...

How would you like the movie to end then? He gets sucked into with the rest of his crew and THE END? The amount of people bitching about that horrible ending would be unbearable. There needed to be some sort of climax to the Supes/Zod story on a personal level and offing him as the end result is the only way possible.

Get used to it too because if/when they bring Doomsday into this series, that's likely the only logical end result as well.
How would you like the movie to end then? He gets sucked into with the rest of his crew and THE END? The amount of people bitching about that horrible ending would be unbearable. There needed to be some sort of climax to the Supes/Zod story on a personal level and offing him as the end result is the only way possible.

Get used to it too because if/when they bring Doomsday into this series, that's likely the only logical end result as well.
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4:06PM on 06/18/2013
Ive always thought that when it comes to killing its Batman who never crosses the line and superman is one who does every once in awhile. People who read comics should no way be that suprised that superman killed zod by breaking his neck, cause he did the exact same thing in the comics to zod. I do hope they dwell more into the killing of zod and how it effects Clark in the next film.
Ive always thought that when it comes to killing its Batman who never crosses the line and superman is one who does every once in awhile. People who read comics should no way be that suprised that superman killed zod by breaking his neck, cause he did the exact same thing in the comics to zod. I do hope they dwell more into the killing of zod and how it effects Clark in the next film.
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4:04PM on 06/18/2013
Of all my issues with the movie...lolzzz... that was never one I had a problem with. When I read the title of this story...I wasn't even sure what controversial ending you were talking about. He had to do what he did and I think it's the first right call in the heat of the moment that he got right all movie. Whilst he never goes on to mention he will never kill again ....the anguish on his face...the scream he lets out ...tells us the audience he just did something he didn't want to do -
Of all my issues with the movie...lolzzz... that was never one I had a problem with. When I read the title of this story...I wasn't even sure what controversial ending you were talking about. He had to do what he did and I think it's the first right call in the heat of the moment that he got right all movie. Whilst he never goes on to mention he will never kill again ....the anguish on his face...the scream he lets out ...tells us the audience he just did something he didn't want to do - that's enough for me.... very similar feelings to the one from the Justice League animated series where Lex forced Superman to kill him ...only in that case, I think Superman ended up going the other way afterwards.

The only question I had from that scene ....was can Zod really be killed like that? Surely, with all the punches they dished out in the movie to one another... at some point ...someone's punch would have fractured every bit of someone's skull and they would have died well before that ...no? I know nothing of Kryptonian physiology - but given that Doomsday most probably broke many parts of Superman in the Death of Superman story line ...and he came back ....I figured the sun would have probably healed Zod's bones...no? :o)
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4:07PM on 06/18/2013
Oh yeh... who gets first dib's on Zod's body - Lex or Cadmus? ;o)
Oh yeh... who gets first dib's on Zod's body - Lex or Cadmus? ;o)
4:04PM on 06/18/2013
DAMN. Haven't seen it yet & clicked on the wrong thread.......
DAMN. Haven't seen it yet & clicked on the wrong thread.......
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3:58PM on 06/18/2013

he didn't HAVE to kill Zod

i mean, they could have easily written it so that Zod is banished to the Phantom Zone when the rest of his crew goes. i liked the ending though only because the as soon as the neck snaps, Superman has this "omg what the fuck did i just do" expression on his face. If he had been like "hah! gotcha!" then i could understand outrage that it didn't fit the character or whatever. I don't think Superman needed to say how he felt, his face said it all. I guess that's good acting?
i mean, they could have easily written it so that Zod is banished to the Phantom Zone when the rest of his crew goes. i liked the ending though only because the as soon as the neck snaps, Superman has this "omg what the fuck did i just do" expression on his face. If he had been like "hah! gotcha!" then i could understand outrage that it didn't fit the character or whatever. I don't think Superman needed to say how he felt, his face said it all. I guess that's good acting?
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3:51PM on 06/18/2013
He had too, he had no choice, Zod would kill everyone. Zod made him do it out of spite.
He had too, he had no choice, Zod would kill everyone. Zod made him do it out of spite.
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3:39PM on 06/18/2013
Where exactly do people think Terrance Stamp's Zod went when Christopher Reeve's Superman disposed of him? Do they think he fell onto a fucking cloud and sailed into some fairy tale land? It makes perfect sense why they made the decision they did.
Where exactly do people think Terrance Stamp's Zod went when Christopher Reeve's Superman disposed of him? Do they think he fell onto a fucking cloud and sailed into some fairy tale land? It makes perfect sense why they made the decision they did.
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3:44PM on 06/18/2013
Even Margot Kidder's Lois Lane got in on the action of killing.
Even Margot Kidder's Lois Lane got in on the action of killing.
3:48PM on 06/18/2013
people are just upset because it was an On-Screen kill,
people are just upset because it was an On-Screen kill,
4:15PM on 06/18/2013
Even though you don't see it on screen in Superman II there is a deleted scene where the "arctic police" come and take the Kryptonians away. When they fell they [link] obviously had no power any more.

Since this scene was cut it does appear that Superman killed them but that wasn't the intention.

I had no problem with the neck snap in Man of Steel, I thought it was badass and really the only way to get rid of Zod since he didn't get sucked into the phantom zone.
Even though you don't see it on screen in Superman II there is a deleted scene where the "arctic police" come and take the Kryptonians away. When they fell they [link] obviously had no power any more.

Since this scene was cut it does appear that Superman killed them but that wasn't the intention.

I had no problem with the neck snap in Man of Steel, I thought it was badass and really the only way to get rid of Zod since he didn't get sucked into the phantom zone.
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3:30PM on 06/18/2013
Superman and Batman both have the same golden rule, although bith have different reasons for having it. Man of Steel now explains why Superman has that rule. While Batman's no kill rule was conceived through realizing that killing makes Batman no more different then the criminals hes trying to stop. Synder is a genious that Killing Zod is the origin of Superman's rule
Superman and Batman both have the same golden rule, although bith have different reasons for having it. Man of Steel now explains why Superman has that rule. While Batman's no kill rule was conceived through realizing that killing makes Batman no more different then the criminals hes trying to stop. Synder is a genious that Killing Zod is the origin of Superman's rule
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3:25PM on 06/18/2013

Everything starts somewhere...

...and this is Superman's defining moment for his 'one rule'. Hell, at least he acted like he gave a damn. Reeves' Superman crushed Zod's hand into powder and then unceremoniously tossed him like a bag of garbage into a pit.

On a side note, the griping about Supes not saving Metropolis from catastrophe and death is a bit shallow as well. This wasn't a seasoned veteran Superman who'd had years of training and experience. It was a 'wet behind the ears', fledgling superhero facing down a
...and this is Superman's defining moment for his 'one rule'. Hell, at least he acted like he gave a damn. Reeves' Superman crushed Zod's hand into powder and then unceremoniously tossed him like a bag of garbage into a pit.

On a side note, the griping about Supes not saving Metropolis from catastrophe and death is a bit shallow as well. This wasn't a seasoned veteran Superman who'd had years of training and experience. It was a 'wet behind the ears', fledgling superhero facing down a squad of equally powered, born killers. I have the feeling that if Kal-El had tried flying away to lure Zod from the city, Zod would've just continued what he started; killing everyone and everything in Metropolis.
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3:14PM on 06/18/2013
No controversy at all I am glad Superman broke that motherfuckers neck I thought it was a great ending to the movie, and I feel like the scream after it showed how difficult it was for him to do this. And yes Superman has killed plenty of times so I honestly don't understand the outrage.
No controversy at all I am glad Superman broke that motherfuckers neck I thought it was a great ending to the movie, and I feel like the scream after it showed how difficult it was for him to do this. And yes Superman has killed plenty of times so I honestly don't understand the outrage.
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5:41PM on 06/18/2013
Exactly, theater started clapping when he did it. Right move.
Exactly, theater started clapping when he did it. Right move.
3:12PM on 06/18/2013
I absolutely had no problem with Superman killing Zod. I took it in terms of "He's too dangerous to be kept alive." Same scenario that Mace Windu had.

That said, however- I felt Zod wasn't the villain of the movie. I felt that the Kryptonian counsel and ultimately Superman himself were in fact the villains. Zod's sole purpose was to preserve and protect his race, not only did the counsel's corruption aid in their planet's destruction- but Kal killed all the egg sacs aboard the scout ship/Arc.
I absolutely had no problem with Superman killing Zod. I took it in terms of "He's too dangerous to be kept alive." Same scenario that Mace Windu had.

That said, however- I felt Zod wasn't the villain of the movie. I felt that the Kryptonian counsel and ultimately Superman himself were in fact the villains. Zod's sole purpose was to preserve and protect his race, not only did the counsel's corruption aid in their planet's destruction- but Kal killed all the egg sacs aboard the scout ship/Arc.
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5:02PM on 06/18/2013
Yes, it was the Kryptonian counsels fault the plant was destroyed but that doesn't give Zod the right to take out everyone on Earth. I'm sure he could have found a uninhabitable plant to terraform but he was dead set on revenge.
Yes, it was the Kryptonian counsels fault the plant was destroyed but that doesn't give Zod the right to take out everyone on Earth. I'm sure he could have found a uninhabitable plant to terraform but he was dead set on revenge.
12:53AM on 06/19/2013
He's not any different than Colonel Custer or an other colonial American or European power during the age of expansion that killed indigenous populations.
He's not any different than Colonel Custer or an other colonial American or European power during the age of expansion that killed indigenous populations.
3:04PM on 06/18/2013
Did Superman not kill Zod in Superman 2? I dont remember anyone having to explain themselves for that.

I, for one, am getting fucking tired of the fanboys whining about the ending of TDKR, the totally passable Superman Returns, IM3 and the believable and entertaining spin that they put on the already bullshit character of Mandarin, the destruction of Metropolis, and now this. Enjoy the movies and get a life. All you people do is bitch. There's no satisfying some of you, and all you're going
Did Superman not kill Zod in Superman 2? I dont remember anyone having to explain themselves for that.

I, for one, am getting fucking tired of the fanboys whining about the ending of TDKR, the totally passable Superman Returns, IM3 and the believable and entertaining spin that they put on the already bullshit character of Mandarin, the destruction of Metropolis, and now this. Enjoy the movies and get a life. All you people do is bitch. There's no satisfying some of you, and all you're going to do is be miserable.
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4:09PM on 06/18/2013
Amen!
Amen!
4:11PM on 06/18/2013
I agree about everything you said except the Ironman 3 and Dark Knight Rises. Both are great films, but ok superhero movies. My real only beef with Dark Knight Rises is that Batman is barely in it same with Iron Man in Iron Man 3. But the Mandarin twist was lame and I saw it coming as soon as they were showing videos of him. Also I take you don't read Iron Man and only know a tidbit of the Mandarin who is in my opinion a great villain and his Iron Man's main nemesis. I like Shane Black, the
I agree about everything you said except the Ironman 3 and Dark Knight Rises. Both are great films, but ok superhero movies. My real only beef with Dark Knight Rises is that Batman is barely in it same with Iron Man in Iron Man 3. But the Mandarin twist was lame and I saw it coming as soon as they were showing videos of him. Also I take you don't read Iron Man and only know a tidbit of the Mandarin who is in my opinion a great villain and his Iron Man's main nemesis. I like Shane Black, the dialogue and the cast was the best thing going for it. I think people bitch too much but there is some things worth being upset about. Having the attitude, "I never grew up reading the comics so I don't care that they gave the source justice and that character sounded lame anyway", sucks. But yeah Superman had that rule but he did have to break it every once in a while.
4:40PM on 06/18/2013
IM3 made Mandarin the bullshit character, IMO. In a realm where nearly anything is possible based on what I've seen from other Marvel movies, I don't understand why Mandarin rubbed people the wrong way and they felt this portrayal was a good fit. Why have him at all if you can't stay closer to the source material?
IM3 made Mandarin the bullshit character, IMO. In a realm where nearly anything is possible based on what I've seen from other Marvel movies, I don't understand why Mandarin rubbed people the wrong way and they felt this portrayal was a good fit. Why have him at all if you can't stay closer to the source material?
4:45PM on 06/18/2013
I almost completely agree with you except in regards to Superman Returns. That dreadful piece of trash made me hate Singer even more than I already do and I'm sure Days of Future Past will only add to that. Bosworth was a god awful Lane, the kid was unnecessary, and oh a shard of kryptonite can take him down but he can lift an entire continent made from it? Gimme a break!
I almost completely agree with you except in regards to Superman Returns. That dreadful piece of trash made me hate Singer even more than I already do and I'm sure Days of Future Past will only add to that. Bosworth was a god awful Lane, the kid was unnecessary, and oh a shard of kryptonite can take him down but he can lift an entire continent made from it? Gimme a break!
4:48PM on 06/18/2013
I agree. The problem here is that you have all of these people who have spent years of their lives reading the comics that these movies are based on. What they don't seem to realize is that there are so many different story lines that you cannot do them all. You cannot fit years of comic story into a two an a half hour movie. That is why it is called an adaptation. Also, just because it works in the comics does not mean it will work on film. You have to alter the story to work with the medium
I agree. The problem here is that you have all of these people who have spent years of their lives reading the comics that these movies are based on. What they don't seem to realize is that there are so many different story lines that you cannot do them all. You cannot fit years of comic story into a two an a half hour movie. That is why it is called an adaptation. Also, just because it works in the comics does not mean it will work on film. You have to alter the story to work with the medium you are using. My best example is The Shining. Classic movie and very tense when he is chasing his family with the axe. Now picture that with a croquet mallet. Not quite the same effect. But that is how King wrote the story. So people just need to embrace the movies as what they are, movies inspired by these characters and stories we love.
4:52PM on 06/18/2013
Preston and drumphantom, Gene Hackman and Richard Donner made Lex Luthor a wisecracking smartass who surrounded himself with buffoons and Nolan and Hardy didnt make Bane a man who lived off Venom. By your guys' logic to stick to source material, both these characters are shit as well and Donner fucked up Luthor and Nolan fucked up Bane. This article in itself is about MOS not sticking to the source material, therefore - by your logic - it's shit and never should have happened.
Preston and drumphantom, Gene Hackman and Richard Donner made Lex Luthor a wisecracking smartass who surrounded himself with buffoons and Nolan and Hardy didnt make Bane a man who lived off Venom. By your guys' logic to stick to source material, both these characters are shit as well and Donner fucked up Luthor and Nolan fucked up Bane. This article in itself is about MOS not sticking to the source material, therefore - by your logic - it's shit and never should have happened.
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3:02PM on 06/18/2013
People just quit your damn bitching just for once. Nobody has anything nice to say anymore all they do is just complain. I'm sorry the director couldn't cut to an image of puppies or kittens every time a punch was landed or a building collapsed.
People just quit your damn bitching just for once. Nobody has anything nice to say anymore all they do is just complain. I'm sorry the director couldn't cut to an image of puppies or kittens every time a punch was landed or a building collapsed.
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3:00PM on 06/18/2013
I don't have a problem with Superman killing, really. Killing off a major villain after one appearance is an annoying trait of many films though. Certainly with comicbook characters, the rivalry between hero and villain gains power from repeated encounters, something that seems to be lost in most translations to the big screen.
I don't have a problem with Superman killing, really. Killing off a major villain after one appearance is an annoying trait of many films though. Certainly with comicbook characters, the rivalry between hero and villain gains power from repeated encounters, something that seems to be lost in most translations to the big screen.
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2:58PM on 06/18/2013

No problem with this.

Superman has actually killed many times in the past. And there are some creatures that are just too powerful for him to let live. Did you really think he was just trying to knock-out Doomsday for a bit? No, he was trying to kill the monster.
Superman has actually killed many times in the past. And there are some creatures that are just too powerful for him to let live. Did you really think he was just trying to knock-out Doomsday for a bit? No, he was trying to kill the monster.
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3:06PM on 06/18/2013
Its such a stupid complaint made by idiots. Superman has killed before, in later comics he kills an army of doomsday. He later finds out they are robots but the point is he is willing to kill. Its the silly teenage marvel fans that are complaining.
Its such a stupid complaint made by idiots. Superman has killed before, in later comics he kills an army of doomsday. He later finds out they are robots but the point is he is willing to kill. Its the silly teenage marvel fans that are complaining.
2:54PM on 06/18/2013
I thought the ending was incredible, and glad it happened.
I thought the ending was incredible, and glad it happened.
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2:53PM on 06/18/2013
He shouldn't have to explain it. This complaint is just as retarded as the "it's too serious and not funny" whining I'm seeing everywhere.
He shouldn't have to explain it. This complaint is just as retarded as the "it's too serious and not funny" whining I'm seeing everywhere.
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2:52PM on 06/18/2013

good movie OK ending

Not sure where all the hate is coming from. The ending was OK. Noland and company always make u think a bit so I am sure they knew this would create some chatter. They did not turn Superman into Batman and you could tell superman was torn up about the action he took.
Not sure where all the hate is coming from. The ending was OK. Noland and company always make u think a bit so I am sure they knew this would create some chatter. They did not turn Superman into Batman and you could tell superman was torn up about the action he took.
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2:50PM on 06/18/2013
Was the ending controversial? In my theater a few people chuckled at it, but I don't think there was anything controversial.
Was the ending controversial? In my theater a few people chuckled at it, but I don't think there was anything controversial.
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2:50PM on 06/18/2013

Yes!

This was the only choice to make, how else do they get rid of ZOD at this point? There's no place able to hold him at this point and they know next to nothing about kryptonians, it caught me a little off guard but there was no other solution, and he doesn't have to swear off killing in this movie, he can say it in the next one, or just make a quick comment like I killed once, never again or something
This was the only choice to make, how else do they get rid of ZOD at this point? There's no place able to hold him at this point and they know next to nothing about kryptonians, it caught me a little off guard but there was no other solution, and he doesn't have to swear off killing in this movie, he can say it in the next one, or just make a quick comment like I killed once, never again or something
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3:52PM on 06/18/2013
they could have written so that Zod got banished to the Phantom Zone with the rest of his cronies.
they could have written so that Zod got banished to the Phantom Zone with the rest of his cronies.
4:06PM on 06/18/2013
When he was clearly no where near the ship? Plus its the perfect way for him to take on his no killing again rule...which if im not mistake he took on because he had to kill once in the comic
When he was clearly no where near the ship? Plus its the perfect way for him to take on his no killing again rule...which if im not mistake he took on because he had to kill once in the comic
2:49PM on 06/18/2013
I don't think that he needs to apologize for anything. Good guy kills bad guy. What was he going to do? He already missed the trip to the Phantom Zone and I don't think that any type of prison would be able to hold him. "Gee, Zod. I'll let you go if you promise to be nice."
I don't think that he needs to apologize for anything. Good guy kills bad guy. What was he going to do? He already missed the trip to the Phantom Zone and I don't think that any type of prison would be able to hold him. "Gee, Zod. I'll let you go if you promise to be nice."
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2:47PM on 06/18/2013
There is no controversy here at all. Superman has killed in the comics before and he did it in Man of steel to save the people. Nothing wrong with it at all.
There is no controversy here at all. Superman has killed in the comics before and he did it in Man of steel to save the people. Nothing wrong with it at all.
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5:55PM on 06/19/2013
Exactly. To save the planet, he will do all he can to destroy the threat to it. What if he let Zod live? They'd keep on fighting forever? Human technology wouldn't have imprisoned him or hurt him....
Exactly. To save the planet, he will do all he can to destroy the threat to it. What if he let Zod live? They'd keep on fighting forever? Human technology wouldn't have imprisoned him or hurt him....
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