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04.08.2016

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It's hard to take a look at BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE and imagine it could have turned out much darker than what Zack Snyder delivered. I mean, it's pretty dark... and that's not a criticism or a compliment. It is what it is. 

However, Zack Snyder had a scene in mind that was ultimately cut from the film that somehow would have made Superman even darker than he already turned out to be.

Care to know what it was? 

When asked by IGN why Superman isn't able to hear his mother in trouble when she's taken captive by Lex Luthor, this is how he explained everything. 

I think all the way – to me, from Metropolis to Smallville is probably just on the edge of his range of hearing. Also the clutter of the city makes it difficult as well.

We had a scene that we cut from the movie where he tries to look for her when he finds out that Lex has got her. It was a slightly dark scene that we cut out because it sort of represented this dark side. Because when he was looking for his mom he heard all the cries of all the potential crimes going on in the city, you know when you look.

I kind of like the idea that he’s taught himself not to look because if he looks it’s just neverending, right? You have to know when, as Superman, when to intervene and when not to. Or not when not to, you can’t be everywhere at once, literally you can’t be everywhere at once, so he has to be really selective in a weird way about where he chooses to interfere.

Soooooo......

Not only is there a range to Superman's super-hearing, but Superman turns off what he hears and when, so that he's not saving people all the time, because that would just be neverending...??

I'll leave that one to you to debate, but I thought a lot of that was really the essence of who Superman is... or rather, was... Sounds like darkness was the least of the problems such a scenario would create.

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4:47AM on 10/05/2016

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I think it is brilliant and would have loved seeing Superman having to make such a choice. Because realistically he has to make choices all the time. If there are 100 people in danger he can only save so many before it's too late. Fans don't consider the choices superheroes have to make, because they are never explained or if they are just turn to work out for everyone. But in reality it can't work out for everyone and Zack Snyder is blamed for using crude reality.
I think it is brilliant and would have loved seeing Superman having to make such a choice. Because realistically he has to make choices all the time. If there are 100 people in danger he can only save so many before it's too late. Fans don't consider the choices superheroes have to make, because they are never explained or if they are just turn to work out for everyone. But in reality it can't work out for everyone and Zack Snyder is blamed for using crude reality.
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12:43PM on 04/10/2016
It's like that scene in Unbreakable where Bruce Willis' character had to choose which crime to prevent based on how serious it was and not how repugnant it might be.
It's like that scene in Unbreakable where Bruce Willis' character had to choose which crime to prevent based on how serious it was and not how repugnant it might be.
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8:36AM on 04/10/2016
I don't have much of a problem with his violent Batman, but I think what Zack Snyder need to do is to stop turning Superman into a super asshole.
I don't have much of a problem with his violent Batman, but I think what Zack Snyder need to do is to stop turning Superman into a super asshole.
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4:49AM on 10/05/2016
What's asshole about that? He wants to save his mom, but there are other people who need saving too, but he can't save them at the same time. He has to make a choice. Or did you mean realistic?
What's asshole about that? He wants to save his mom, but there are other people who need saving too, but he can't save them at the same time. He has to make a choice. Or did you mean realistic?
3:42PM on 04/09/2016

Too dark but just as terrible.

He should have cut every scene and allowed a better team of filmmakers to do it.
He should have cut every scene and allowed a better team of filmmakers to do it.
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3:35PM on 04/09/2016

Crapfest

Looks like he also cut out all of the scenes that would have made it a decent movie. Instead he just left all of the crap. Old fashioned crapfest.
Looks like he also cut out all of the scenes that would have made it a decent movie. Instead he just left all of the crap. Old fashioned crapfest.
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11:21PM on 04/08/2016
Snyder not only doesn't get Superman, it's obvious that he hates this character. He likes the idea of a conflicted WWE wrestler with Superman's powers. That's not Superman. This is Superman: [link]

Superman is about the triumph of the human spirit.
"You don't think about saving the world. You think about saving just one person." -Superman
Snyder doesn't understand that.
Snyder not only doesn't get Superman, it's obvious that he hates this character. He likes the idea of a conflicted WWE wrestler with Superman's powers. That's not Superman. This is Superman: [link]

Superman is about the triumph of the human spirit.
"You don't think about saving the world. You think about saving just one person." -Superman
Snyder doesn't understand that.
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1:30AM on 04/09/2016
That was incredible
That was incredible
9:35AM on 04/09/2016
Really like that link, thanks. I agree with you 100%, THAT IS SUPERMAN!!
Really like that link, thanks. I agree with you 100%, THAT IS SUPERMAN!!
11:06AM on 04/09/2016
Yep clearly doesn't get it. I think Zack is thinking if he were Superman thats how he would do it. But for one Superman is not Human he is supposed to be better than us. Not prioritising who to save first. Because wouldn't saving his Mum first be a selfish Human act?
Yep clearly doesn't get it. I think Zack is thinking if he were Superman thats how he would do it. But for one Superman is not Human he is supposed to be better than us. Not prioritising who to save first. Because wouldn't saving his Mum first be a selfish Human act?
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11:13PM on 04/08/2016
MARVEL= HUNGER GAMES

DC= DIVERGENT
MARVEL= HUNGER GAMES

DC= DIVERGENT
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3:41PM on 04/09/2016
yeah basically haha
yeah basically haha
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9:56PM on 04/08/2016

Like in BRUCE ALMIGHTY?

Seriously, though, this is very dissapointing. I saw the movie on Monday. I thought it was merely decent but, just like MAN OF STEEL, it was too long. I can name you several scenes Zack could've replaced with the one he's mentioning now, which by the way is an angle we've rarely seen in super-hero movies. Think about it: How do the characters feel once they realize they can't save everyone? Specially the ones that only try to save their city instead of the whole world.
Seriously, though, this is very dissapointing. I saw the movie on Monday. I thought it was merely decent but, just like MAN OF STEEL, it was too long. I can name you several scenes Zack could've replaced with the one he's mentioning now, which by the way is an angle we've rarely seen in super-hero movies. Think about it: How do the characters feel once they realize they can't save everyone? Specially the ones that only try to save their city instead of the whole world.
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8:20PM on 04/08/2016
Pretty sure he missed a few other ones too.
Pretty sure he missed a few other ones too.
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8:10PM on 04/08/2016
This sounds great. Really wish DC would have just released the director's cut instead of the version we got instead. Would have been epic to see the ENTIRE story the way it was meant to be told.

I just got back seeing it for a third time, and all of these supposed plot holes everyone's complaining about are all explained in the film.
This sounds great. Really wish DC would have just released the director's cut instead of the version we got instead. Would have been epic to see the ENTIRE story the way it was meant to be told.

I just got back seeing it for a third time, and all of these supposed plot holes everyone's complaining about are all explained in the film.
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9:47AM on 04/10/2016
No, they're not. You're filling in the gaps by following the threads to what you believe are their logical conclusions based on your interpretation of what you're seeing. It's okay, we all do it. However, if you turn that analytical part f your brain off, and just watch the movie is without trying to fill in those gaps, you realize that none of those threads actually connect. The plot points are not explored or explained in the actual context of the overall story.

When your audience has to
No, they're not. You're filling in the gaps by following the threads to what you believe are their logical conclusions based on your interpretation of what you're seeing. It's okay, we all do it. However, if you turn that analytical part f your brain off, and just watch the movie is without trying to fill in those gaps, you realize that none of those threads actually connect. The plot points are not explored or explained in the actual context of the overall story.

When your audience has to come up with their own plot points to fill in the gaps you left in your story, that's just bad storytelling; bad writing.
11:28AM on 04/10/2016
@ CMontyLoveMovies Absolutely NAILED it! Really fantastic explanation! People seem to want to love this movie so badly they are filling the holes with anything and everything they can find. Then they take the weakest, laziest parts of the story and blowing them into some kind of kind of huge brilliant plot twist. This is the kind of movie that they will look back at in 10 years and think, "wow what was I thinking, this is awful!!"
@ CMontyLoveMovies Absolutely NAILED it! Really fantastic explanation! People seem to want to love this movie so badly they are filling the holes with anything and everything they can find. Then they take the weakest, laziest parts of the story and blowing them into some kind of kind of huge brilliant plot twist. This is the kind of movie that they will look back at in 10 years and think, "wow what was I thinking, this is awful!!"
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7:27PM on 04/08/2016
I don't understand how he is just always there for Lois every time she's in danger, but not his mother. And I don't know why he couldn't ever use his xray vision and super speed to scan for her and find Martha in two seconds (like Batman did without super powers). He's been Superman for about two years and he continually forgot to use his super powers. Seriously, Snyder should let his movie speak for itself. It's nowhere near perfect, but his explanations are just stupid.
I don't understand how he is just always there for Lois every time she's in danger, but not his mother. And I don't know why he couldn't ever use his xray vision and super speed to scan for her and find Martha in two seconds (like Batman did without super powers). He's been Superman for about two years and he continually forgot to use his super powers. Seriously, Snyder should let his movie speak for itself. It's nowhere near perfect, but his explanations are just stupid.
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6:23PM on 04/08/2016

Obligatory hate comment here....

Synder is very in-tuned with a very masculine version of Superman. He seems more interested in what Superman can do rather than what he can't do. I remember sitting in the theater for 300, and coming out that thing feeling like I got a shot of testosterone. As a kid, i don't remember pretending to be Superman waving and being a little pansy like Superman Returns, I remember pretending he's this all powerful supreme being that could do anything. We waited for over 30 years to finally see what it
Synder is very in-tuned with a very masculine version of Superman. He seems more interested in what Superman can do rather than what he can't do. I remember sitting in the theater for 300, and coming out that thing feeling like I got a shot of testosterone. As a kid, i don't remember pretending to be Superman waving and being a little pansy like Superman Returns, I remember pretending he's this all powerful supreme being that could do anything. We waited for over 30 years to finally see what it would look like to see Superman actually BE Superman and with Superman Returns, I was sooooo let down. He lifted an Island, used heat vision to melt glass, and flew around looking depressed. With today's technology, we can finally see him do the things we imagined. Synder has his vision, he has his imagination at play and it seems like he played in the same way I did as a kid.
It has been mentioned in plenty of comics that Superman cannot save them all and sometimes has to "stifle the cries of help". That's canon. So, anybody butt hurt over Snyder's comments probably needs to learn a bit more about Supes.
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6:48PM on 04/08/2016
Amen brother.
Amen brother.
7:05PM on 04/08/2016
I really think some people seriously hate Superman. Just what he stands for, to them. I've heard some pretty messed up opinions about "what is wrong with Man of Steel". Some people just think he needs to be clean shaven and trimmed hair Jesus. Can do no wrong. And lets not get going about people and who Lex Luthor is. Wow, that was a can of worms.
I really think some people seriously hate Superman. Just what he stands for, to them. I've heard some pretty messed up opinions about "what is wrong with Man of Steel". Some people just think he needs to be clean shaven and trimmed hair Jesus. Can do no wrong. And lets not get going about people and who Lex Luthor is. Wow, that was a can of worms.
10:08AM on 04/10/2016
No. Just no. If your idea of Superman is a "powerful supreme being who can do anything," then you of all people should be upset by Snyder's explanation of why Superman didn't find his mom. Limitations on the range of his super hearing? Shutting certain things out so he's not constantly thinking about who he can't save? I would have respected Snyder more if he just flat out said "Look, I wanted a reason to have to force Superman to go confront Batman, so I had Luthor kidnap his mom. And if I had
No. Just no. If your idea of Superman is a "powerful supreme being who can do anything," then you of all people should be upset by Snyder's explanation of why Superman didn't find his mom. Limitations on the range of his super hearing? Shutting certain things out so he's not constantly thinking about who he can't save? I would have respected Snyder more if he just flat out said "Look, I wanted a reason to have to force Superman to go confront Batman, so I had Luthor kidnap his mom. And if I had Superman do the logical thing and just go find his mom, then there would be no confrontation, so I just didn't do that."

Instead he says that Superman has a limited range on his hearing, which extends from Metropolis to Smallville. Even if you accept that (which doesn't make sense, given that there are context clues within both movies that Superman's super hearing extends well beyond that), MARTHA WAS BEING HELD SOMEWHERE INSIDE OF THAT RANGE. So she was well within a range he could have heard her had he been looking.

Secondly, him tuning out ALL the people who need his help so he isn't constantly crushed under the weight of his guilt about not being able to save them all is fine, and definitely a theme that could, and should, have been explored in the movie. But as far as using that as an excuse as to why he didn't just go find his mom? I'm sorry, I'm calling bullshit on that one too. Again, we've already seen in both Snyder Superman films that he's capable of zeroing in on a specific sound he's looking for when he wants. That had he been looking for his mom, he would have been capable of drowning out all of the background noise and pinpointing the exact noise he's looking for. So he could easily have zeroed in on his mom's voice and found her.

But, if he had done that, and saved his own mother, which he was perfectly capable of doing, there would have been no confrontation between him and Batman, which is the entire point of the movie. And when the entire point of your movie hinges on a character doing (or not doing) something that makes NO sense in the context of what we know about them, then that is bad writing, and bad storytelling.

But Snyder keeps lobbing out these half assed, poor excuses to explain away his half assed, poor storytelling, and everyone keeps lapping it up because they want to justify the fact that they enjoyed a bad movie. Look, it's fine that you enjoyed and were entertained by the movie in spite of all of it's glaringly obvious flaws. Just... stop trying to justify that by pretending the movie is what it isn't. Just admit that the movie is dumb and made no sense, but you liked it anyway. It's fine.
1:43PM on 04/10/2016
@CMontyLoveMovies And again! Amen to you! You absolutely nailed even without talking about the "Martha moment" which is one of the weakest . It seems people feel guilty for liking the movie, but its their absolute right to like whatever they what to. Some people just dont need a real strong story to enjoy a movie and this one proves it
@CMontyLoveMovies And again! Amen to you! You absolutely nailed even without talking about the "Martha moment" which is one of the weakest . It seems people feel guilty for liking the movie, but its their absolute right to like whatever they what to. Some people just dont need a real strong story to enjoy a movie and this one proves it
6:20PM on 04/08/2016
Superman is just not a great hereo, because he's too good, too perfect, too whatever. Hard to transoport this into a mordern film. You just can't show Superman in a movie these days without alls the proplems that come with him.
Superman is just not a great hereo, because he's too good, too perfect, too whatever. Hard to transoport this into a mordern film. You just can't show Superman in a movie these days without alls the proplems that come with him.
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6:30PM on 04/08/2016
This is EXACTLY why Snyder has decided to go in the direction he has. He has created an inner turmoil; a burgeoning hero. His enemy appears to be himself and his own lack of purpose. Everyone says he's "emo". That's a very general description. He is a lonely being and has difficulty relating to man kind.....right up until he looks at Lois and says, "I love you. This is MY planet" and then sacrifices himself. At that exact moment, you got your perfect Superman....and then he was martyred. That
This is EXACTLY why Snyder has decided to go in the direction he has. He has created an inner turmoil; a burgeoning hero. His enemy appears to be himself and his own lack of purpose. Everyone says he's "emo". That's a very general description. He is a lonely being and has difficulty relating to man kind.....right up until he looks at Lois and says, "I love you. This is MY planet" and then sacrifices himself. At that exact moment, you got your perfect Superman....and then he was martyred. That makes him a pretty good hero to me.
7:13PM on 04/08/2016
Superman's biggest problem is that he has too many powers and is basically invincible. There's just not enough challenge for him to be all that intereeting. Even Kryptonite only seems to slow him down, but he generally bounces back pretty quickly. The best part of Superman Returns was watching Kevin Spacey stab Brandon Routh with a kryptonite barb.
Superman's biggest problem is that he has too many powers and is basically invincible. There's just not enough challenge for him to be all that intereeting. Even Kryptonite only seems to slow him down, but he generally bounces back pretty quickly. The best part of Superman Returns was watching Kevin Spacey stab Brandon Routh with a kryptonite barb.
6:08PM on 04/08/2016
This scene was also in Superman Returns, when he is flying above the planet.
This scene was also in Superman Returns, when he is flying above the planet.
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5:31PM on 04/08/2016
A scene from Man of Steel comes to mind where he and also Zod later on, can't shut out all the noise at once. I'm sure he has to choose what to listen for and when he hears his girlfriend in trouble (who is probably on his mind most of the time as established by having Amy Adams naked in a bathtub), it's probably easy to miss his mother being kidnapped.
A scene from Man of Steel comes to mind where he and also Zod later on, can't shut out all the noise at once. I'm sure he has to choose what to listen for and when he hears his girlfriend in trouble (who is probably on his mind most of the time as established by having Amy Adams naked in a bathtub), it's probably easy to miss his mother being kidnapped.
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5:36PM on 04/08/2016
100% 100% you got it right on the fucking nose. For Superman, its probably like being in a room with a million tv's on for us one a million different channels. People think he's constantly listenign to everyones heartbeats and everyones conversations etc 100% of the time. No!! he's not!! He has to shut it off!!

People think that Superman is omnipotent...he's not. He's Superman.
100% 100% you got it right on the fucking nose. For Superman, its probably like being in a room with a million tv's on for us one a million different channels. People think he's constantly listenign to everyones heartbeats and everyones conversations etc 100% of the time. No!! he's not!! He has to shut it off!!

People think that Superman is omnipotent...he's not. He's Superman.
10:13AM on 04/10/2016
Except we also see them overcome that and learn to focus on the specific sounds he wants to focus on, which means he would have been capable of drowning out everyone else and zeroing in on just his mom.

So... why didn't he do that, even though we've seen him doing that before?
Except we also see them overcome that and learn to focus on the specific sounds he wants to focus on, which means he would have been capable of drowning out everyone else and zeroing in on just his mom.

So... why didn't he do that, even though we've seen him doing that before?
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4:58PM on 04/08/2016
"Describe the DC universe in one word"
Snyder: "...Dark."
*crowd goes fucking nuts*
"Describe the DC universe in one word"
Snyder: "...Dark."
*crowd goes fucking nuts*
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4:49PM on 04/08/2016
The recurring theme in Superman comics is "It's a never ending battle". Further proof that Snyder's vision of Superman is way off the mark.
The recurring theme in Superman comics is "It's a never ending battle". Further proof that Snyder's vision of Superman is way off the mark.
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4:55PM on 04/08/2016
Exactly what went through my head reading that!
Exactly what went through my head reading that!
5:35PM on 04/08/2016
and that is the recurring theme in these movies. It's going to be a never ending battle for Superman. Further proof that Snyder DOES understand the character. The thing is....it's never ending....he would never sleep, eat, have a life, etc if he 100% concentrated on it.

Even Alan Moore understood this. Posted a link that explains it perfectly.

[link]
and that is the recurring theme in these movies. It's going to be a never ending battle for Superman. Further proof that Snyder DOES understand the character. The thing is....it's never ending....he would never sleep, eat, have a life, etc if he 100% concentrated on it.

Even Alan Moore understood this. Posted a link that explains it perfectly.

[link]
6:07PM on 04/08/2016
The point being that in the comics, Superman fights the never ending battle for people anyway. In the movies, his never ending battle is to avoid having to help all the time.

I get that there's a logic there, but it just doesn't feel like Superman to me. I admit this impression might have been softened if he spent more than 1 montage actually helping / saving people.
The point being that in the comics, Superman fights the never ending battle for people anyway. In the movies, his never ending battle is to avoid having to help all the time.

I get that there's a logic there, but it just doesn't feel like Superman to me. I admit this impression might have been softened if he spent more than 1 montage actually helping / saving people.
4:45PM on 04/08/2016

Sounds Awesome Actually

Sounded like an awesome little side scene. I would've loved it.
Sounded like an awesome little side scene. I would've loved it.
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4:36PM on 04/08/2016

I wonder

if this will be put on the R rated cut I hope so.
if this will be put on the R rated cut I hope so.
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