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Zack Snyder defends Watchmen and talks Batman vs. Superman leaks

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Last week, producer Joel Silver talked at length about his and director Terry Gilliam's version of Alan Moore's WATCHMEN that never happened, saying that director Zack Snyder was a "slave to the material" and that his and Gilliam's version would have been a "MUCH much better movie." While promoting this week's 300: RISE OF AN EMPIRE, both Zack Snyder and wife/producer Deborah Snyder have fired back, giving their thoughts on the "damned if you do, damned if you don't" project. The Snyder's also goes into the fanboy rage at the time and discusses the issue with Internet leaks, revealing why they're keeping a lid on BATMAN VS SUPERMAN details until they feel it's time to release them.

Zack Snyder on Joel Silver's criticism of Snyder's approach and the different ending:

"Yeah, the fans would have stormed the castle on that one. So, honestly, I made "Watchmen" for myself. It's probably my favorite movie that I've made. And I love the graphic novel and I really love everything about the movie. I love the style. I just love the movie and it was a labor of love. And I made it because I knew that the studio would have made the movie anyway and they would have made it crazy. So, finally I made it to save it from the Terry Gilliams of this world."

Deborah Snyder elaborated, saying:

But it's interesting because, you're right, it's damned if you do, damned if you don't. You have people who are mad that the ending was changed and you have other people saying, "Oh, it was a slave to the graphic novel." You can't please everybody."

Zack Snyder followed Deborah's comments discussing the problem with the genre and how it's evolved since:

"And that's the problem with genre. That's the problem with comic book movies and genre. And I believe that we've evolved -- I believe that the audiences have evolved. I feel like "Watchmen" came out at sort of the height of the snarky Internet fanboy -- like, when he had his biggest strength. And I think if that movie came out now -- and this is just my opinion -- because now that we've had "Avengers" and comic book culture is well established, I think people would realize that the movie is a satire. You know, the whole movie is a satire. It's a genre-busting movie. The graphic novel was written to analyze the graphic novel -- and comic books and the Cold War and politics and the place that comic books play in the mythology of pop culture. I guess that's what I'm getting at with the end of "Watchmen" -- in the end, the most important thing with the end was that it tells the story of the graphic novel. The morality tale of the graphic novel is still told exactly as it was told in the graphic novel -- I used slightly different devices. The Gilliam version, if you look at it, it has nothing to do with the idea that is the end of the graphic novel. And that's the thing that I would go, "Well, then don't do it." It doesn't make any sense."

Zack Snyder on the difference of style between 300 and WATCHMEN to MAN OF STEEL:

"From the beginning, I had a philosophical approach to what I would do with Superman. And I always sum it up by saying that the most realistic movie I've made is a movie about Superman --because that's what I felt like the movie needed."

On whether he ever thought about making MAN OF STEEL with a different visual style:

"No. I mean, I had a knee-jerk reaction to that script that was "this movie needs to feel like it's stone-cold real." And that was, to me, ironic and I'm always looking for some ironic element within the storytelling -- like some bit of meta. For me to get excited about it, it needs to infiltrate the movie. And for me, that was that a Superman movie would be real."

Deborah Snyder on leaks and how they're dealing with them now:

"Things get leaked so often these days, it's a shame because even casting announcements, or whatever, you're in the middle of a process and sometimes they're so off base -- and then it gets picked up by multiple places and it's all over the place.

Or some of it, you're just having conversations, but that doesn't mean they are a contender, but you're just exploring and it gets made public. It's kind of a shame that you can't go through the process in a pure way and then be able to announce it in a way that's exciting. With the [Comic-Con] announcement, there was rumblings and we were like, "Aw." Because we wanted to bring it to the fans. We wanted to bring them something special. We went to Comic-Con for "Watchmen" and we were bringing the cast to announce it and it got leaked a couple of days before. We wanted to give that to them and we got cheated out of it."

Zack Snyder on how audiences become a part of the leaks:

"I think it does another thing. The leak becomes the audience involvement. They are now part of it, the process. Do you know what I mean? And you have to take that as the world we live in, as opposed to "Oh, that's too bad."

Snyder went on to say that the three big casting announcements of Ben Affleck, Gal Gadot, and Jesse Eisenberg were a product of their own doing (i.e. not leaked) which makes it more "fun" for them since no one saw them coming. Interesting stuff. The Snyder's certainly have a lot on their shoulders with BATMAN VS SUPERMAN as it has quickly become the most discussed upcoming film, with much of it stemming from fan outrage rather than excitement. As for WATCHMEN, I honestly don't see how they could improve upon the version Snyder gave us and was fine without seeing the giant octopus at the end. It was such a minor change in the grand scheme of things. But, that's just me. As for BATMAN VS SUPERMAN, I remain optimistic and welcoming to see what they put together. It's obvious that Snyder is fully invested in the project and his passion for making something great is there. Whether or not he pulls it off won't be known until 2016.

BATMAN VS SUPERMAN opens on May 6, 2016

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12:53PM on 03/03/2014
Watchmen was the best "Team" superhero movie I have ever seen. "Team" superhero movies rarely work because of the time constraints of film. The only time they do work is when each superhero is given his own movie prior to the "team up" ala Avengers (and let's be honest Avengers was of arguable worth at best).
I may not like all of Snyder's films, but he hit it out of the park with Watchmen and has nothing to defend. I have to admit a Gilliam directed Watchmen would have been interesting to
Watchmen was the best "Team" superhero movie I have ever seen. "Team" superhero movies rarely work because of the time constraints of film. The only time they do work is when each superhero is given his own movie prior to the "team up" ala Avengers (and let's be honest Avengers was of arguable worth at best).
I may not like all of Snyder's films, but he hit it out of the park with Watchmen and has nothing to defend. I have to admit a Gilliam directed Watchmen would have been interesting to dissect.
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1:03PM on 03/03/2014
Snyder is a good director and I thought he did a great job with 300, Watchmen, and Man of Steel. Personally I think Watchmen is a masterpiece and I don't see how any other director could have done a better job while tying to stay so close to the source material.

I loved what he did with Man of Steel (saw it four times in theaters) and thought he did an amazing job on the film. I also thought the realistic, down to earth tone and style was the best way to go when rebooting the character
Snyder is a good director and I thought he did a great job with 300, Watchmen, and Man of Steel. Personally I think Watchmen is a masterpiece and I don't see how any other director could have done a better job while tying to stay so close to the source material.

I loved what he did with Man of Steel (saw it four times in theaters) and thought he did an amazing job on the film. I also thought the realistic, down to earth tone and style was the best way to go when rebooting the character again and for also opening a new universe for The Justice League. And he actually gave us a Superman man film where Superman actually throws a punch, uses his powers and actually enjoys using his powers. I don't mind the whole ending of the whole city being destroyed at all since it's nothing new that we haven't seen yet, even though I understand why people would have criticism with it. And I thought showing Superman actually kill Zod against his will was great and took confidence.

I'm very much looking forward to Batman vs Superman and the Justice League film, even though I haven't been the biggest supporter of Gadot and Eisenberg. But at this point, I have enough faith to believe that Snyder knows what he is doing at this point.
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3:20PM on 03/03/2014
So I guess Soloist agrees with the two points DickJones agrees with about Soloist's own comment. My mind.... is BLOWN!
So I guess Soloist agrees with the two points DickJones agrees with about Soloist's own comment. My mind.... is BLOWN!
1:57PM on 03/03/2014
Agree with you on both points. Especially number two.
Agree with you on both points. Especially number two.
1:36PM on 03/03/2014
Agreed on 2 points.

1) Watchmen was his masterpiece.

2) A more "realistic" Superman can't be everywhere at once. That means people are going to die. I dug Snyder's Superman.
Agreed on 2 points.

1) Watchmen was his masterpiece.

2) A more "realistic" Superman can't be everywhere at once. That means people are going to die. I dug Snyder's Superman.
1:04PM on 03/03/2014
Yes, that's exactly what the world needs, less terry Gilliam :s
Yes, that's exactly what the world needs, less terry Gilliam :s
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1:11PM on 03/03/2014

Fantastic movie

I think it is his best work. I cant see why he has to defend it. I would have just ignored Terry Gilliam anyway.

The Watchmen was so much more than a superhero movie which is why I think a lot of people didnt get it. I think people went to the cinema expecting to see something like the avengers. I liked what it had to say about society and morailty. A very underestimated movie. Its better than Man of Steel.
I think it is his best work. I cant see why he has to defend it. I would have just ignored Terry Gilliam anyway.

The Watchmen was so much more than a superhero movie which is why I think a lot of people didnt get it. I think people went to the cinema expecting to see something like the avengers. I liked what it had to say about society and morailty. A very underestimated movie. Its better than Man of Steel.
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1:15PM on 03/03/2014
"the Terry Gilliams of this world"

Yeah, those guys suck.
"the Terry Gilliams of this world"

Yeah, those guys suck.
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5:56PM on 03/03/2014
I know what you're saying... or at least what you're trying to say. Terry Gilliam is a great filmmaker. One of my favorites, as a matter of fact. But Silver is saying Gilliam's film would've been more of a departure from the graphic novel, and the reason Snyder's film wasn't better was that it was TOO faithful. Who knows? Maybe Gilliam's take would've been better, but Silver's track record has been mediocre at best since 2000, so what he think's would or would not have made for a better
I know what you're saying... or at least what you're trying to say. Terry Gilliam is a great filmmaker. One of my favorites, as a matter of fact. But Silver is saying Gilliam's film would've been more of a departure from the graphic novel, and the reason Snyder's film wasn't better was that it was TOO faithful. Who knows? Maybe Gilliam's take would've been better, but Silver's track record has been mediocre at best since 2000, so what he think's would or would not have made for a better film is a joke. If Gilliam had shared this opinion, it would've carried some weight, because he knows the difference between a good and bad film.
3:31PM on 03/03/2014
Gilliam would have made the movie how HE wanted to...so it would've been unfaithful to the source material, totally off-kilter and weird. So yeah, that would've sucked.
Gilliam would have made the movie how HE wanted to...so it would've been unfaithful to the source material, totally off-kilter and weird. So yeah, that would've sucked.
1:16PM on 03/03/2014
I love Zack's passion when it comes to his projects. Nothing better to see than a director oozing with confidence and having the excitement like he is a fan as well.

i loved 300, Watchemen and Man of Steel! The realistic take and out of the box thinking they made with MoS was absolute perfection. I didn't mind the whole controversy at the end with the whole city being destroyed, because I feel it's part of the story and it's an important part of the story that will be vital/important to the
I love Zack's passion when it comes to his projects. Nothing better to see than a director oozing with confidence and having the excitement like he is a fan as well.

i loved 300, Watchemen and Man of Steel! The realistic take and out of the box thinking they made with MoS was absolute perfection. I didn't mind the whole controversy at the end with the whole city being destroyed, because I feel it's part of the story and it's an important part of the story that will be vital/important to the sequel. Seeing Superman's powers and abilities to it's fullest (or maybe not yet) was so awesome to see in the big screen and that's the major enjoyment that's been missing when it comes to Superman movies.

I can't wait to see what Snyder has up his sleeve for his next project(s).
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1:28PM on 03/03/2014

Gilliams version would have sucked

Zacks version was great, was it a perfect movie, no, but god Gilliams version sounded so bad and I'm glad we never saw it, can't wait to see some footage from Batman/Superman
Zacks version was great, was it a perfect movie, no, but god Gilliams version sounded so bad and I'm glad we never saw it, can't wait to see some footage from Batman/Superman
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1:35PM on 03/03/2014

Fuck Joel Silver

I'm glad Zack Snyder defended his film. Watchmen was an incredible movie. I have my issues with Man of Steel but it's mainly because I'm such a huge Superman fan. I just felt some of the casting was off but for the most part it's a good movie and I'm pumped to see Batman vs. Superman.
I'm glad Zack Snyder defended his film. Watchmen was an incredible movie. I have my issues with Man of Steel but it's mainly because I'm such a huge Superman fan. I just felt some of the casting was off but for the most part it's a good movie and I'm pumped to see Batman vs. Superman.
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1:47PM on 03/03/2014

Joel Silver was smoking crack when he made those comments

Because that's the only rational explanation as to why someone would think Dr. Manhattan going back in time to prevent the accident would have been a better ending than Snyder's take. If there's one thing i've learned, it's that sometimes, films take time to grow on you and Watchmen is that film. Over the years I've grown to appreciate what Snyder attempted to do and couldn't have really asked for a better adaptation besides some minor casting changes.
Because that's the only rational explanation as to why someone would think Dr. Manhattan going back in time to prevent the accident would have been a better ending than Snyder's take. If there's one thing i've learned, it's that sometimes, films take time to grow on you and Watchmen is that film. Over the years I've grown to appreciate what Snyder attempted to do and couldn't have really asked for a better adaptation besides some minor casting changes.
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1:54PM on 03/03/2014
Watchmen was a fantastic film, and an even better film with the Ultimate Cut. It's the strongest of Snyder's film, and it's noble to its source material. I'm glad Snyder made this film before someone, in time, would have ruined it.
Watchmen was a fantastic film, and an even better film with the Ultimate Cut. It's the strongest of Snyder's film, and it's noble to its source material. I'm glad Snyder made this film before someone, in time, would have ruined it.
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1:57PM on 03/03/2014
I enjoyed Watchmen. Was it perfect? No. I did like the end of his film more than the giant monster the graphic novel had. I think it worked better on a semi-realistic world. I think the movie gets more hate than it should, but to each their own.
I enjoyed Watchmen. Was it perfect? No. I did like the end of his film more than the giant monster the graphic novel had. I think it worked better on a semi-realistic world. I think the movie gets more hate than it should, but to each their own.
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3:12PM on 03/03/2014
Watchmen was good IMO. I love where he's taking Superman and can't wait for his Batman to emerge. You can tell the guy clearly enjoys his work and it reflects in the final product. Brilliant film maker.
Watchmen was good IMO. I love where he's taking Superman and can't wait for his Batman to emerge. You can tell the guy clearly enjoys his work and it reflects in the final product. Brilliant film maker.
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3:14PM on 03/03/2014
Watchmen was great .Silver is a douche.....Kind of the only two points that need to be known
Watchmen was great .Silver is a douche.....Kind of the only two points that need to be known
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3:14PM on 03/03/2014

I agree with his comment about

"The terry gilliams of the world"
I know people are making a big stink over that commeng but look.
I love Terry Gilliam, LOVE fear and loathing etc BUT I am glad there is only one Terry Gilliam. His movies are normally so bizarre (which is great) but if there were too many directos with the same bizarre style. It would turn me off from movies as a whole. Im glad we have such a rich diverse group of directors in the world, so things stay fresh and inventive etc but Gilliam should not adapt
"The terry gilliams of the world"
I know people are making a big stink over that commeng but look.
I love Terry Gilliam, LOVE fear and loathing etc BUT I am glad there is only one Terry Gilliam. His movies are normally so bizarre (which is great) but if there were too many directos with the same bizarre style. It would turn me off from movies as a whole. Im glad we have such a rich diverse group of directors in the world, so things stay fresh and inventive etc but Gilliam should not adapt straightforward material into a strange concoction that does not resemble in anyway shape or form (save the title).
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3:26PM on 03/03/2014
Watchmen is one of the best comic films to ever come out in my opinion. I couldn't picture anyone doing it better. I also agree on the bringing Superman to a more realistic world. I think the things that make Superman so special gets lost in a world that looks make believe. Also loved his Dawn of the Dead.
Watchmen is one of the best comic films to ever come out in my opinion. I couldn't picture anyone doing it better. I also agree on the bringing Superman to a more realistic world. I think the things that make Superman so special gets lost in a world that looks make believe. Also loved his Dawn of the Dead.
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3:29PM on 03/03/2014

As far as Watchmen goes...

You have nothing to defend, sir. Snyder did something I truly didn't think could be done. He made a coherent film out of a complex volume - and he did it pretty damn faithfully and lovingly.
You have nothing to defend, sir. Snyder did something I truly didn't think could be done. He made a coherent film out of a complex volume - and he did it pretty damn faithfully and lovingly.
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3:57PM on 03/03/2014

Snyder has to defend

Watchmen? That was a great movie and he is right the overall story and lesson of the graphic novel is there. The ending had to be changed in my mind because movie goers wouldnt have understood the giant octopus and probabl would not have liked it. I do however resent Snyder's comment on "th Gilliams of the world" Terry Gilliam is one of the best directors ever imo. Who has put out some of the most original an some of my favorite movies. Its too bad there has to be this pissjng contest between
Watchmen? That was a great movie and he is right the overall story and lesson of the graphic novel is there. The ending had to be changed in my mind because movie goers wouldnt have understood the giant octopus and probabl would not have liked it. I do however resent Snyder's comment on "th Gilliams of the world" Terry Gilliam is one of the best directors ever imo. Who has put out some of the most original an some of my favorite movies. Its too bad there has to be this pissjng contest between these two.
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4:09PM on 03/03/2014

F' Joel Silver.

Watchmen was awesome. The ending they had was a much better idea than having a giant rampaging squid, which seems like a non-sequitur. In all likelihood, Gilliam would have made something that was unrecognizable to fans.
Watchmen was awesome. The ending they had was a much better idea than having a giant rampaging squid, which seems like a non-sequitur. In all likelihood, Gilliam would have made something that was unrecognizable to fans.
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6:41PM on 03/03/2014
And nixing the subplot explaining saved so much time
And nixing the subplot explaining saved so much time
4:16PM on 03/03/2014
I'm a fan of Gilliam's films, but I thought Snyder did a solid job on Watchmen. Could have been much, much worse.
I'm a fan of Gilliam's films, but I thought Snyder did a solid job on Watchmen. Could have been much, much worse.
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4:44PM on 03/03/2014

Joel Silver can suck a hot one

Watchmen was a brilliantly made film. For me, Avengers, The Dark Knight and Watchmen are the three best comic book films to come out. As a massive fan of the graphic novel, I'd much prefer the creators be "a slave to the material" (how is that a bad thing again?) then create a completely arbitrary ending that makes more sense "to them". I don't really care what makes more sense to Joel Silver and Terry Gilliam......I love the graphic novel, and I want to see THAT story on screen. You want to
Watchmen was a brilliantly made film. For me, Avengers, The Dark Knight and Watchmen are the three best comic book films to come out. As a massive fan of the graphic novel, I'd much prefer the creators be "a slave to the material" (how is that a bad thing again?) then create a completely arbitrary ending that makes more sense "to them". I don't really care what makes more sense to Joel Silver and Terry Gilliam......I love the graphic novel, and I want to see THAT story on screen. You want to make something totally different than that, go ahead and make it, call it something different, and hell - I'll come and watch it.
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5:25PM on 03/03/2014

No defense needed

Watchmen was brilliant, the complete cut is even better, and the movie's ending is superior. Sacrilege? Hardly. Moore readily admits he stole the ending from another source, and couldn't be arsed to change it. Snyder's ending is less convoluted and makes more sense. Joel Silver molests goats. I lost any shred of respect I had for the man when he told Tom Jane he wouldn't work as Stallone's co star in Bullet to the Head because he had a recipe for how buddy action films work, and one guy HAS to
Watchmen was brilliant, the complete cut is even better, and the movie's ending is superior. Sacrilege? Hardly. Moore readily admits he stole the ending from another source, and couldn't be arsed to change it. Snyder's ending is less convoluted and makes more sense. Joel Silver molests goats. I lost any shred of respect I had for the man when he told Tom Jane he wouldn't work as Stallone's co star in Bullet to the Head because he had a recipe for how buddy action films work, and one guy HAS to be ethnic
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5:27PM on 03/03/2014
I read the Watchmen graphic as every fanboy should, and I gotta say. The film is one of my favorite comic book films. Easily top five, and I dare even say possibly tops three. Never understood why it got so much hate. I do know that the fanboys (as usual) blasted it for various reasons, and at the time it was a little too dark for general audiences. Maybe it was just a tad ahead of its time...
I read the Watchmen graphic as every fanboy should, and I gotta say. The film is one of my favorite comic book films. Easily top five, and I dare even say possibly tops three. Never understood why it got so much hate. I do know that the fanboys (as usual) blasted it for various reasons, and at the time it was a little too dark for general audiences. Maybe it was just a tad ahead of its time...
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5:41PM on 03/03/2014
Watchmen is in my top 3 of comic books adaptations with The Dark Knight and X-Men, and I can't see a way to make a better movie with the material. Snyder is also the guy who made the coolest zombie flick from the last 30 years. And Man of Steel is a decent movie, much better than Singer's version. So I believe in him!
Watchmen is in my top 3 of comic books adaptations with The Dark Knight and X-Men, and I can't see a way to make a better movie with the material. Snyder is also the guy who made the coolest zombie flick from the last 30 years. And Man of Steel is a decent movie, much better than Singer's version. So I believe in him!
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5:47PM on 03/03/2014

Oh, please...

Silver doesn't know what the f**k he's talking about... Snyder did as well of a job making that film as I think it was possible to be done. I think Gilliam or Aronofsky would've done a great job, but without departing more from the source material, it wouldn't have been a better film; At the same time, deviating from the source material would've had fanboys even more disappointed that they were in Snyder's attempt. Besides, for every 1 great movie Silver's produced, he's backed 5 awful
Silver doesn't know what the f**k he's talking about... Snyder did as well of a job making that film as I think it was possible to be done. I think Gilliam or Aronofsky would've done a great job, but without departing more from the source material, it wouldn't have been a better film; At the same time, deviating from the source material would've had fanboys even more disappointed that they were in Snyder's attempt. Besides, for every 1 great movie Silver's produced, he's backed 5 awful ones... So is there really any reason to think this guy knows what would and would not have worked?

On the subject of BvS... I'm hesitant, yet optimistic. The casting seems a bit odd, but possibly inspired... While there were quite a few flaws in Man of Steel, I never really considered casting to be one of them. Despite some people's reactions, I didn't mind Shannon as Zod, or Adams as Lane. With Affleck, I think he learned a hard lesson about fanboy backlash when Daredevil came out, so I suspect he wouldn't have thrown his hat in the ring unless he was pretty certain he wouldn't disappoint this time around. Eisenberg, again, seems odd... But maybe not... He's playing the only villain that doesn't ever need to match Superman on a physical level, because of his superior intellect. Eisenberg plays smart, smug and borderline sociopathic pretty well... If he brings half of what he used in The Social Network, he'll make for a solid Luthor.
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8:33AM on 03/04/2014
If Joel Silver had let Joss Whedon do Wonder Woman way back when we probably would have had a Justice League movie by Joss Whedon in 2012 instead of an Avengers movie by Joss Whedon.
If Joel Silver had let Joss Whedon do Wonder Woman way back when we probably would have had a Justice League movie by Joss Whedon in 2012 instead of an Avengers movie by Joss Whedon.
5:57PM on 03/03/2014
Maybe somebody can explain to me why I can't get a theatrical copy of "The Watchmen" on bluray...?
Maybe somebody can explain to me why I can't get a theatrical copy of "The Watchmen" on bluray...?
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6:37PM on 03/03/2014
I have been trying to get hold of the directors cut.
I have been trying to get hold of the directors cut.
7:18PM on 03/03/2014

Watchmen ending

To me the ending for Watchmen was improved. Not the ending about the giant squid, I could care less about that. I mean the end about Rorschach. In the novel, Manhattan blows up Rorschach and then Nite Owl simply goes back and has sex with Silk Spectre. In the film, they actually have Nite Owl show deep sorrow with a giant cry and emotions and he copes up with Rorschach's end. That was the good bit. And it was definitely improved.
To me the ending for Watchmen was improved. Not the ending about the giant squid, I could care less about that. I mean the end about Rorschach. In the novel, Manhattan blows up Rorschach and then Nite Owl simply goes back and has sex with Silk Spectre. In the film, they actually have Nite Owl show deep sorrow with a giant cry and emotions and he copes up with Rorschach's end. That was the good bit. And it was definitely improved.
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8:01PM on 03/03/2014

Jealousy will make you say stupid shit

Snyder and the actors that he cast took the very complicated source material of the graphic novel and created a very faithful commercial success. To date, only a handful of directors have gotten it "right" without overhauling the source material and pissing everyone off. Props to the Snyders!
Snyder and the actors that he cast took the very complicated source material of the graphic novel and created a very faithful commercial success. To date, only a handful of directors have gotten it "right" without overhauling the source material and pissing everyone off. Props to the Snyders!
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8:02PM on 03/03/2014
The Terry Gilliams of this world are visionary & intelligent filmmakers. Snyder has none of those qualities. Yeah, he adapt the film almost page for page, but he made a hollow empty film out of it. The characters were flat, and he focused on the most shallow elements of the story. Much like he did with Man of Steel. Snyder is one of the Michael Bays of the world. He can shoot pretty pictures, but can't tell a meaningful story to save his life.

What's funny, is that Allen Moore is a Terry
The Terry Gilliams of this world are visionary & intelligent filmmakers. Snyder has none of those qualities. Yeah, he adapt the film almost page for page, but he made a hollow empty film out of it. The characters were flat, and he focused on the most shallow elements of the story. Much like he did with Man of Steel. Snyder is one of the Michael Bays of the world. He can shoot pretty pictures, but can't tell a meaningful story to save his life.

What's funny, is that Allen Moore is a Terry Gilliam of comics. His works are deep, and focus on rich characters. Snyder just doesn't get that "artsy fartsy stuff".
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8:13PM on 03/03/2014
Loved Watchmen, one of the greatest comic adaptions ever made and Zack Snyder's best film to date. Truth is, I actually like elements to the film more than the graphic novel. Sorry.......
Loved Watchmen, one of the greatest comic adaptions ever made and Zack Snyder's best film to date. Truth is, I actually like elements to the film more than the graphic novel. Sorry.......
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8:14PM on 03/03/2014
What "Mr.Moe" said!
What "Mr.Moe" said!
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8:25PM on 03/03/2014
I really like Zack Snyder's Watchmen. Aside from the ending, it stays very true to the source and the soundtrack album is really great.
I really like Zack Snyder's Watchmen. Aside from the ending, it stays very true to the source and the soundtrack album is really great.
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8:30PM on 03/03/2014
And here I thought Terry Gilliam was trying to save us from the Zack Snyders & Michael Bays & McGs of the world. Sorry, but Gilliam > Snyder a thousand times over.

Also, classy douche move Snyder. Try to make yourself look better by talking down to one of the greatest filmmakers out there. Snyder has such a smug "head up his ass" ego it makes me sick.
And here I thought Terry Gilliam was trying to save us from the Zack Snyders & Michael Bays & McGs of the world. Sorry, but Gilliam > Snyder a thousand times over.

Also, classy douche move Snyder. Try to make yourself look better by talking down to one of the greatest filmmakers out there. Snyder has such a smug "head up his ass" ego it makes me sick.
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8:41PM on 03/03/2014
Watchmen needs no defending, it's a great film
Watchmen needs no defending, it's a great film
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8:47PM on 03/03/2014
Joel Silver made a dick comment, but seriously, Fuck You Zack Snyder. Gilliam's worst film is better than your best.

When I read the Watchmen comics it was an emotional roller coaster, and the ending was a kick in the nuts. When I saw the movie, I was amazed how someone took such a powerful story and turned it into such an emotionless & mediocre movie. Snyder sucked all of the life, reality, & depth from it, and made a overly long music video out of it. He didn't get the story at all.
Joel Silver made a dick comment, but seriously, Fuck You Zack Snyder. Gilliam's worst film is better than your best.

When I read the Watchmen comics it was an emotional roller coaster, and the ending was a kick in the nuts. When I saw the movie, I was amazed how someone took such a powerful story and turned it into such an emotionless & mediocre movie. Snyder sucked all of the life, reality, & depth from it, and made a overly long music video out of it. He didn't get the story at all.
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4:08PM on 03/05/2014
No, Tideland is just as unbearable as Sucker Punch in its own way. Snyder's best films far eclipse that piece of shit.
No, Tideland is just as unbearable as Sucker Punch in its own way. Snyder's best films far eclipse that piece of shit.
9:01PM on 03/03/2014
Ugh. Yeah Snyder, you're such a better filmmaker than Terry Gilliam. What other filmmakers are you saving us from? Without you we might actually be subjected to thought provoking, original, & challenging art. We can't have that.
Ugh. Yeah Snyder, you're such a better filmmaker than Terry Gilliam. What other filmmakers are you saving us from? Without you we might actually be subjected to thought provoking, original, & challenging art. We can't have that.
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5:52AM on 03/04/2014
He is a better filmmaker than Gilliam. I'd rather watch a Snyder movie than a Gilliam movie any day of the week.
He is a better filmmaker than Gilliam. I'd rather watch a Snyder movie than a Gilliam movie any day of the week.
9:10PM on 03/03/2014
Did Zack Snyder just say that he was saving us from the Terry Gilliams of the world? WOW. Go fuck yourself Snyder. What a dickhead.
Did Zack Snyder just say that he was saving us from the Terry Gilliams of the world? WOW. Go fuck yourself Snyder. What a dickhead.
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9:19PM on 03/03/2014
Don't hate the guy, don't hate his movies, but man that's a douchey thing to say.
Don't hate the guy, don't hate his movies, but man that's a douchey thing to say.
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5:51AM on 03/04/2014
False...it's honest and true.
False...it's honest and true.
9:26PM on 03/03/2014

Man ....

I really don't get the hate Snyder's films get from some people here, but since opinions differ, that'll happen. I thoroughly enjoyed Watchmen and agree with many here that he doesn't need to defend that film. I also have a blast with Dawn of the Dead, 300 and Man of Steel every time I watch them. Are they cinematic masterpieces? Probably not but I have FUN watching them and sometimes that's enough for me.

Now that "saving" line about Gilliam was assholish, but he also just had
I really don't get the hate Snyder's films get from some people here, but since opinions differ, that'll happen. I thoroughly enjoyed Watchmen and agree with many here that he doesn't need to defend that film. I also have a blast with Dawn of the Dead, 300 and Man of Steel every time I watch them. Are they cinematic masterpieces? Probably not but I have FUN watching them and sometimes that's enough for me.

Now that "saving" line about Gilliam was assholish, but he also just had something put down that he invested a lot of time, effort and emotion into and that he's obviously very proud of. So, I can at least understand where the comment comes from. Most people would jab back too.

Whatever, I'll keep enjoying his "soulless" flicks and enjoy it.
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5:51AM on 03/04/2014
Seriously the hate for Snyder on Joblo is insane.
Seriously the hate for Snyder on Joblo is insane.
9:39PM on 03/03/2014
Saving us from the Gilliams of this world? No thank you. I'd rather keep Gilliam and lose Snyder any day of the week. Snyder is such a douchebag, and when he makes douche comments like this, he proves to be an even bigger douchebag than I originally thought.

And to make things worse, that Watchmen script Snyder is talking about was written by Sam Hamm several years before Gilliam was even attached to the film. So, not only did Snyder just make an ass of himself, he didn't even really know
Saving us from the Gilliams of this world? No thank you. I'd rather keep Gilliam and lose Snyder any day of the week. Snyder is such a douchebag, and when he makes douche comments like this, he proves to be an even bigger douchebag than I originally thought.

And to make things worse, that Watchmen script Snyder is talking about was written by Sam Hamm several years before Gilliam was even attached to the film. So, not only did Snyder just make an ass of himself, he didn't even really know what he was talking about.
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5:50AM on 03/04/2014
You seriously think Gilliam would've made a better Watchmen movie than Snyder? You're frakking delusional.
You seriously think Gilliam would've made a better Watchmen movie than Snyder? You're frakking delusional.
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10:38PM on 03/03/2014
I loved Watchmen. I loved 300. I loved Man of Steel. I think Snyder's right in that no matter what they did with Watchmen, no matter who did Watchmen, they would have been raked over the coals. Between Alan Moore's disdain for everything mainstream, and the rabid protectiveness of Watchmen fans, even Gilliam's version would have ripped apart. Watchmen was the first graphic novel I read, but I'm not protective about it. I loved Snyder's version, and if it had been released this year, it would be
I loved Watchmen. I loved 300. I loved Man of Steel. I think Snyder's right in that no matter what they did with Watchmen, no matter who did Watchmen, they would have been raked over the coals. Between Alan Moore's disdain for everything mainstream, and the rabid protectiveness of Watchmen fans, even Gilliam's version would have ripped apart. Watchmen was the first graphic novel I read, but I'm not protective about it. I loved Snyder's version, and if it had been released this year, it would be celebrated, not destroyed.
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10:40PM on 03/03/2014

NOT QUITE CRICKET THERE ZACK

Bagging on a fellow director who has made unforgettable films is a rather douchebag move considering it seems he's already doing damage control on a film that will pretty much decide the future of the DC Universe which other than the Chris Nolan Batman films has been non-existent or mostly forgettable. So far, for me, the Superman movies (and I mean all of them) have fallen short of expectations. In moderate Zacky Farms support, I did enjoy Watchmen because, as a Quasi-Fanboy, I got the
Bagging on a fellow director who has made unforgettable films is a rather douchebag move considering it seems he's already doing damage control on a film that will pretty much decide the future of the DC Universe which other than the Chris Nolan Batman films has been non-existent or mostly forgettable. So far, for me, the Superman movies (and I mean all of them) have fallen short of expectations. In moderate Zacky Farms support, I did enjoy Watchmen because, as a Quasi-Fanboy, I got the satire and I got the ending. Now though, it seems he's even pandering to that same audience now which is strike 2 in douchebagville for Schnyder. I'm really hoping that Strike 3 isn't released on 5/16/16. After that, he should be exiled to the world of rom-coms and straight to dvd releases. Also, who knows, if Terry Gilliam is alive in 10 years, Hollywood may want to reboot Watchmen and call him up and see what kind of job he can do. Zack, shut up and make a good movie or go home.
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1:40AM on 03/04/2014

"revealing why they're keeping a lid on BATMAN VS SUPERMAN details until they feel it's time to release them."

Seriously?

-_-

So far I know who's in it, who MIGHT be in it, who they'll be playing, and what the storyline is.

How are they "keeping a lid" on anything?

Oh and it's Hollywood... Terry might get the chance to do the inevitable Watchmen reboot one day.
Seriously?

-_-

So far I know who's in it, who MIGHT be in it, who they'll be playing, and what the storyline is.

How are they "keeping a lid" on anything?

Oh and it's Hollywood... Terry might get the chance to do the inevitable Watchmen reboot one day.
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6:02AM on 03/04/2014

On the real...

The Watchmen movie was good. I think Snyder broke a few eggs to make an omelet. Besides Alan Moore is way overrated.
The Watchmen movie was good. I think Snyder broke a few eggs to make an omelet. Besides Alan Moore is way overrated.
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7:23AM on 03/04/2014
The best example to look at here is Stephen King's The Shining. Stanley Kubrick made a masterpiece, but did not follow the source material. Several decades later we actually got a remake of The Shining, and it followed the source material almost page for page. And guess what, Kubrick made a FAR better film.

But master filmmakers like Kubrick and Gilliam are in an entirely different league than a popcorn filmmaker like Snyder.
The best example to look at here is Stephen King's The Shining. Stanley Kubrick made a masterpiece, but did not follow the source material. Several decades later we actually got a remake of The Shining, and it followed the source material almost page for page. And guess what, Kubrick made a FAR better film.

But master filmmakers like Kubrick and Gilliam are in an entirely different league than a popcorn filmmaker like Snyder.
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5:51AM on 03/05/2014
Wouldnt call Gilliam a master filmmaker but thats just me
Wouldnt call Gilliam a master filmmaker but thats just me
9:25PM on 03/04/2014
I thought it was a better film than Watchmen. Sure it didn't have the great production values & effects like Watchmen, but that doesn't make a movie good.
I thought it was a better film than Watchmen. Sure it didn't have the great production values & effects like Watchmen, but that doesn't make a movie good.
3:16PM on 03/04/2014
Yeah, but in this specific case the quality of the mini series was shit. That's why it's not a good comparison.
Yeah, but in this specific case the quality of the mini series was shit. That's why it's not a good comparison.
1:10PM on 03/04/2014
Don't downplay the mini-series format, cause there have been some brilliant mini-series that blow anything Zack Snyder has made out of the water. I consider Lonesome Dove to be one of the best westerns ever produced.

I think this is a very accurate comparison. Cause Gilliam is a great auteur, and Snyder's films don't come close to the kind of quality of Gilliam's work. I don't even consider Snyder to be a better filmmaker than Mick Garris. Garris just doesn't get to play on massively huge
Don't downplay the mini-series format, cause there have been some brilliant mini-series that blow anything Zack Snyder has made out of the water. I consider Lonesome Dove to be one of the best westerns ever produced.

I think this is a very accurate comparison. Cause Gilliam is a great auteur, and Snyder's films don't come close to the kind of quality of Gilliam's work. I don't even consider Snyder to be a better filmmaker than Mick Garris. Garris just doesn't get to play on massively huge productions like Snyder does.
9:22AM on 03/04/2014
If you have an adaptation by a great auteur, like Kubrick, and an adpatation for a television mini-series, which do you think is going to better? Isn't it a little obvious? In that case, the superiority of Kubrick's film in quality has less to do with him deviating from the source material than it does with the fact that the other film was only capable of tv-level quality. Everyone knows Jack Nicholson stars in Kubrick's version, but can you tell me the name of the leading man in the other
If you have an adaptation by a great auteur, like Kubrick, and an adpatation for a television mini-series, which do you think is going to better? Isn't it a little obvious? In that case, the superiority of Kubrick's film in quality has less to do with him deviating from the source material than it does with the fact that the other film was only capable of tv-level quality. Everyone knows Jack Nicholson stars in Kubrick's version, but can you tell me the name of the leading man in the other version without googling it? I don't think so...

While I agree that sticking to the source material doesn't guarantee a good film, The Shining is a horrible example to use to prove your point.
7:55AM on 03/04/2014
Everything about the Watchmen works on paper, the cast seems solid and the story is faithful... but it just isn't Watchmen, to me. I mean there's a line when Comedian visits Moloch somewhere along the lines of "And here I am spilling my guts to my arch enemy," and when I heard that I wanted to leave the theater. It was terrible. So the script was a 75% there dumbed down version of the source, and the performances only worked about half of the time. Also actually calling the team the Watchmen is
Everything about the Watchmen works on paper, the cast seems solid and the story is faithful... but it just isn't Watchmen, to me. I mean there's a line when Comedian visits Moloch somewhere along the lines of "And here I am spilling my guts to my arch enemy," and when I heard that I wanted to leave the theater. It was terrible. So the script was a 75% there dumbed down version of the source, and the performances only worked about half of the time. Also actually calling the team the Watchmen is proof positive Snyder didn't "get it".
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8:23AM on 03/04/2014
"I made [Watchman] to save it from the Terry Gilliams of this world."

Right on! If you're not going to do a movie based on the comic then don't call it "Watchman". Make your own movie and call it whatever you want but don't promise us a Watchman movie and give us The Last Comic Hero with everybody being fictional characters at the end! That's just dumb!

Oh and when Watchman was being written, the editor, Len Wein, didn't want Alan Moore to do the giant octopus at the end: he wanted
"I made [Watchman] to save it from the Terry Gilliams of this world."

Right on! If you're not going to do a movie based on the comic then don't call it "Watchman". Make your own movie and call it whatever you want but don't promise us a Watchman movie and give us The Last Comic Hero with everybody being fictional characters at the end! That's just dumb!

Oh and when Watchman was being written, the editor, Len Wein, didn't want Alan Moore to do the giant octopus at the end: he wanted Moore to come up with a better ending because it was too similar to an episode of The Outer Limits. Moore refused to change the book but Snyder made the change for the movie.
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9:12AM on 03/04/2014
I thought 300 and Watchmen were both incredible films. As far as I'm concerned, the dude doesnt need to defend anything. I really dont get the Zack Snyder hate at all, but I guess to each their own. I do wish the comic book fanboys wouldnt get their panties all in a wad because a film adaptation of their favorite comics doesnt fit exactly how they think it should be. Comics and movies, 2 separate storytelling mediums that are going to be different from each other, and must be criticized
I thought 300 and Watchmen were both incredible films. As far as I'm concerned, the dude doesnt need to defend anything. I really dont get the Zack Snyder hate at all, but I guess to each their own. I do wish the comic book fanboys wouldnt get their panties all in a wad because a film adaptation of their favorite comics doesnt fit exactly how they think it should be. Comics and movies, 2 separate storytelling mediums that are going to be different from each other, and must be criticized separately as well.
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6:25PM on 03/04/2014
I love Watchmen! The movie is great. Cool story, fascinating characters and fantastic action. Zack Snyder did a wonderful job with that film and I think he's gonna do an awesome job with Batman vs. Superman.
I love Watchmen! The movie is great. Cool story, fascinating characters and fantastic action. Zack Snyder did a wonderful job with that film and I think he's gonna do an awesome job with Batman vs. Superman.
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10:15PM on 03/04/2014

What

There's no need to defend Watchmen. It was pretty darn amazing, I mean people sometimes forget just how close that movie was to the graphic novel.
There's no need to defend Watchmen. It was pretty darn amazing, I mean people sometimes forget just how close that movie was to the graphic novel.
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6:47AM on 03/05/2014
I liked Watchmen and I completely agree with him when he says it would have been better received or understood if it came out now. I liked Sucker Punch too.
I liked Watchmen and I completely agree with him when he says it would have been better received or understood if it came out now. I liked Sucker Punch too.
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11:34PM on 03/10/2014

Superman 2

Watchmen was awesome.
I wouldn't have minded if the soldiers carrying the coffin in the funeral scene could marched in step though. It seems a minor thing yet, in real life, it would have been a done deal. Distracting and disappointing part. Great movie besides that detail.

As for Superman 2......I don't really need to see Supes and Bats fight and distrust each other. They are meant to be allies. Not knobs. Could be a movie breaker for me.
Watchmen was awesome.
I wouldn't have minded if the soldiers carrying the coffin in the funeral scene could marched in step though. It seems a minor thing yet, in real life, it would have been a done deal. Distracting and disappointing part. Great movie besides that detail.

As for Superman 2......I don't really need to see Supes and Bats fight and distrust each other. They are meant to be allies. Not knobs. Could be a movie breaker for me.
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11:57PM on 03/10/2014

Superman 2 /2

As for Terry Gilliams' Watchmen, that was a disaster waiting to happen. His style and sense of humor is all wrong. Zach made the movie right. The original material was great. The movie is great too. Gilliam is just weird for weirds' sake sometimes. His style is not widely admired by a large number of people. It would have been a goofball Watchmen. A satire of a satire comic book rather than a realistic superhero satire. Big difference.

Terry makes B movies. Although, they are original B
As for Terry Gilliams' Watchmen, that was a disaster waiting to happen. His style and sense of humor is all wrong. Zach made the movie right. The original material was great. The movie is great too. Gilliam is just weird for weirds' sake sometimes. His style is not widely admired by a large number of people. It would have been a goofball Watchmen. A satire of a satire comic book rather than a realistic superhero satire. Big difference.

Terry makes B movies. Although, they are original B movies. Watchmen was an A movie.

We all remember what Joel Silver did to Batman. 'Nough said.

Ben Afflick is a serious ,professional actor. I see he is not popular with the comic crowd but, he can get the job down. Henry is cool. Not sure about this Gal thing.
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