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11.04.2015

Heading into BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE and knowing that the two titular icons are going to have at least one showdown of a physical nature in the movie, fans everywhere have been curious about the logistics of their battle.

How can Batman possibly hang in a fight with Superman?

Wouldn't one super-punch destroy Bruce Wayne and whatever armor he might be wearing?

Is Kryptonite involved?

Lucky for you, Zack Snyder is offering up a hint or two as to how the Dark Knight might manage to hold his own against the Man of Steel, throwing more fuel on the speculative fire as to how these two characters will end up taking shape in this next chapter of DC's Cinematic Universe. So what's the secret? What sort of tactics is the Caped Crusader employing in order to stay in the fight?

The advantage that Batman has is the goodness of Superman; the compliance to fair play that Superman has... Batman knows how to exploit Superman.

So what you're telling us all is that Batman is a bit of a cheater...?

Hmmm... Well, who am I to judge? Whatever notches a W on the scoreboard, I guess, right?

Hey, there's nothing wrong with taking advantage of one's weaknesses in order to come out victorious. That's the name of the game when it comes to competition, even more so when it's a matter of life or death. Besides, isn't an unfair fight between these two much more interesting to check out than one completely on the level? I believe so.

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6:00PM on 11/06/2015
I see a real flaw in what Snyder says.
So if Batman knows Supermans weakness is he is nice and plays fair why is he fighting him at all? Thought the whole point was that Batman sees superman as a threat to Earth. A threat to Earth wouldnt be a nice guy. Oh dear they haven't really thought this one through again have they.
I see a real flaw in what Snyder says.
So if Batman knows Supermans weakness is he is nice and plays fair why is he fighting him at all? Thought the whole point was that Batman sees superman as a threat to Earth. A threat to Earth wouldnt be a nice guy. Oh dear they haven't really thought this one through again have they.
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4:21PM on 11/09/2015
I don't think Snyder is saying Batman knows it. He just means this is why he can beat him.
I don't think Snyder is saying Batman knows it. He just means this is why he can beat him.
6:50PM on 11/05/2015
Batman would have no chance at all against Superman! If you think otherwise, your dumb. ;)
Batman would have no chance at all against Superman! If you think otherwise, your dumb. ;)
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5:00PM on 11/05/2015
This is what I tell everyone that says superman would kill him in one hit. He could, but he would never do it. Can Batman beat Superman? Yes. Can he beat Zod? Not likely.
This is what I tell everyone that says superman would kill him in one hit. He could, but he would never do it. Can Batman beat Superman? Yes. Can he beat Zod? Not likely.
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5:29AM on 11/06/2015
with enough preptime...he could.
with enough preptime...he could.
12:49PM on 11/05/2015

Sorry. Personally will never buy it

Short of a Kryptonite body suit, Batman would theoretically be no match for SM. No bias - just logic based on the parameters the characters were conceptualized with. First off, SM's already established he can kill... and even if he won't, he can, theoretically, concuss BM with his pinky finger. It's a far-fetched plot argument advanced by those with Batman bias. This goes for Luthor, too. Doesn't mean the movie won't work, though.
Short of a Kryptonite body suit, Batman would theoretically be no match for SM. No bias - just logic based on the parameters the characters were conceptualized with. First off, SM's already established he can kill... and even if he won't, he can, theoretically, concuss BM with his pinky finger. It's a far-fetched plot argument advanced by those with Batman bias. This goes for Luthor, too. Doesn't mean the movie won't work, though.
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10:06AM on 11/05/2015

I'm a Marvel lover

and I don't think Age of Ultron was best of the year. It was ok, but not amazing. I actually thought Ant Man was better.
and I don't think Age of Ultron was best of the year. It was ok, but not amazing. I actually thought Ant Man was better.
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9:45AM on 11/05/2015
Wow, there's an awful lot of Marvel Studios lovers in the comments section. Then again, I guess I'd be jaded too if the studio that I loved pumped out awful movies like Iron Man 2, Thor: The Dark World, and Avengers 2.
Wow, there's an awful lot of Marvel Studios lovers in the comments section. Then again, I guess I'd be jaded too if the studio that I loved pumped out awful movies like Iron Man 2, Thor: The Dark World, and Avengers 2.
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9:12AM on 11/05/2015
Warning!... all the people below this post are Marvel lovers and consider Age of Ultron the best movie of the year!
Warning!... all the people below this post are Marvel lovers and consider Age of Ultron the best movie of the year!
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7:04AM on 11/05/2015
Batman refuses to kill the Joker, but is willing to kill Superman by using his goodness against him? MAKES SENSE! Oh wait, Batman is mad about all of the deaths caused by Superman's pissing match. Because Man of Steel fucked the character over so much that Batman views Superman as worse than the Joker.
Batman refuses to kill the Joker, but is willing to kill Superman by using his goodness against him? MAKES SENSE! Oh wait, Batman is mad about all of the deaths caused by Superman's pissing match. Because Man of Steel fucked the character over so much that Batman views Superman as worse than the Joker.
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9:06AM on 11/05/2015
Umm, no one said that Batman is going to kill Superman, or is even trying to kill Superman. Just beat him in a fight.
Umm, no one said that Batman is going to kill Superman, or is even trying to kill Superman. Just beat him in a fight.
9:54AM on 11/06/2015
Agreeing with MickLoud, here. He want to stop him, not kill him.
Beside, maybe Batman regrets NOT killing the Joker after Robin's death and is waiting for someone he 'can't' kill to 'release some steam' without fearing killing him.
Agreeing with MickLoud, here. He want to stop him, not kill him.
Beside, maybe Batman regrets NOT killing the Joker after Robin's death and is waiting for someone he 'can't' kill to 'release some steam' without fearing killing him.
5:47AM on 11/05/2015
"The advantage that Batman has is the goodness of Superman"

I'm guessing Batman - or Snyder - mustn't have watched 'Man of Steel'.
"The advantage that Batman has is the goodness of Superman"

I'm guessing Batman - or Snyder - mustn't have watched 'Man of Steel'.
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9:58AM on 11/06/2015
Well, he was devastated about killing Zod (and, hopefully about the many innocent death during their battle). So, maybe, he's got PTSD after that and 'can't' bear himself killing anymore.
Well, he was devastated about killing Zod (and, hopefully about the many innocent death during their battle). So, maybe, he's got PTSD after that and 'can't' bear himself killing anymore.
5:28AM on 11/05/2015
So basically the entire premise of the movie is Bull Shit. I mean we all knew it but when Superman can punch faster than the speed of sound let alone fly, no mortal can beat him.

And its not a matter of life or death, just as a newborn fighting a 20 year old wouldn't be.
So basically the entire premise of the movie is Bull Shit. I mean we all knew it but when Superman can punch faster than the speed of sound let alone fly, no mortal can beat him.

And its not a matter of life or death, just as a newborn fighting a 20 year old wouldn't be.
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5:11AM on 11/05/2015
Didn't read it cause its Billy writing another BvS article.
Didn't read it cause its Billy writing another BvS article.
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7:09AM on 11/05/2015
Well, WB's PR firm pays good money for these articles.
Well, WB's PR firm pays good money for these articles.
2:11AM on 11/05/2015
So... If Batman recognizes that Superman is good in order to exploit him then why is he fighting him??
So... If Batman recognizes that Superman is good in order to exploit him then why is he fighting him??
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2:51AM on 11/05/2015
Because he can be manipulated and not necessarily thinking things through. He sees him a a loose end. Something that can't be controlled. Batman is an extreme personality and a control freak. I really believe his response to Superman would really at first be one on ego. This is a guy that thought he was the biggest swinging dick in the world, until Superman. He spent his life and millions making sure he was, and then this. It would fuck him up a bit. And yeah he exploit Superman's
Because he can be manipulated and not necessarily thinking things through. He sees him a a loose end. Something that can't be controlled. Batman is an extreme personality and a control freak. I really believe his response to Superman would really at first be one on ego. This is a guy that thought he was the biggest swinging dick in the world, until Superman. He spent his life and millions making sure he was, and then this. It would fuck him up a bit. And yeah he exploit Superman's naivety.
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1:42AM on 11/05/2015
There is a long history of Batman defeating Superman in the comics. Batman in any way shape or form, like it or not, in today's day and age has the ultimate superpower that will defeat anyone and everything and that is popularity. I do agree the Bat has been made too powerful over the years, but I do think it is within the relm of the conceit of the character that he could beat Superman. Ultimately I believe Batman represents the notion that the human race can over come any obstacle in it's
There is a long history of Batman defeating Superman in the comics. Batman in any way shape or form, like it or not, in today's day and age has the ultimate superpower that will defeat anyone and everything and that is popularity. I do agree the Bat has been made too powerful over the years, but I do think it is within the relm of the conceit of the character that he could beat Superman. Ultimately I believe Batman represents the notion that the human race can over come any obstacle in it's way. Thus Batman does always win. And if he didn't beat Superman... well let's face it he's a stain on the wall.
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4:30AM on 11/05/2015
The only reason Bats win, is because Supes holds back. But in truth, if supes wanted to. Supes could end Bats in an instance. But Supes isnt like that.
The only reason Bats win, is because Supes holds back. But in truth, if supes wanted to. Supes could end Bats in an instance. But Supes isnt like that.
1:23PM on 11/05/2015
Agreed to a point. Even when Max Lord has Supes mind controlled he still held back and still nearly killed Batman and would had Wonder Woman not interfered. If Superman just went at Batman out of nowhere then most certainly, there is virtually no one that could beat him. With prep and Batman controlling where the fight is, how it goes down, and yes a fuck load of tricks and gadgets then yes he could beat Superman and has in the past. It is well established in comics that Batman has plans to
Agreed to a point. Even when Max Lord has Supes mind controlled he still held back and still nearly killed Batman and would had Wonder Woman not interfered. If Superman just went at Batman out of nowhere then most certainly, there is virtually no one that could beat him. With prep and Batman controlling where the fight is, how it goes down, and yes a fuck load of tricks and gadgets then yes he could beat Superman and has in the past. It is well established in comics that Batman has plans to take out each member of the Justice League in the case one of them goes rogue (looking at you Hal Jordan). Superman has actually at times worked with Batman on some of the ways Batman could take him out too. Superman is aware he's a potential wmd. Shit that was long winded. Sorry.
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8:22PM on 11/04/2015
But Superman has already crossed the line Batman never would. Man of Steel established an unhinged Superman who doesn't mind collateral damage, deaths, and even killing. A Superman who can't control his own rage. You can't go back to the classic comic book explanation of "Batman can win because Superman is too much of a boyscout" after you've jumped through so many unmotivated hoops to make Superman darker, grittier, and the complete anti-thesis of everything he was in the comic.
But Superman has already crossed the line Batman never would. Man of Steel established an unhinged Superman who doesn't mind collateral damage, deaths, and even killing. A Superman who can't control his own rage. You can't go back to the classic comic book explanation of "Batman can win because Superman is too much of a boyscout" after you've jumped through so many unmotivated hoops to make Superman darker, grittier, and the complete anti-thesis of everything he was in the comic.
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8:50PM on 11/04/2015
Zod was gonna destroy the world. Batman isn't. We get it. you don't like these movies.
Zod was gonna destroy the world. Batman isn't. We get it. you don't like these movies.
8:53PM on 11/04/2015
And wasn't Superman only Superman for, like, one day? How was he supposed to avoid the collateral damage, deaths, and stop Zod without killing? Oh, I forgot. You babies only like to complain about things. You can't actually solve things.
And wasn't Superman only Superman for, like, one day? How was he supposed to avoid the collateral damage, deaths, and stop Zod without killing? Oh, I forgot. You babies only like to complain about things. You can't actually solve things.
9:05PM on 11/04/2015
Agree with ConMan, and dotpattern. It was Clark learning to become Superman while being Superman. It would have made no sense if Clark had been the ideal and iconic Superman in his ORIGINS film.
Agree with ConMan, and dotpattern. It was Clark learning to become Superman while being Superman. It would have made no sense if Clark had been the ideal and iconic Superman in his ORIGINS film.
9:05PM on 11/04/2015
Agree with ConMan, and dotpattern. It was Clark learning to become Superman while being Superman. It would have made no sense if Clark had been the ideal and iconic Superman in his ORIGINS film.
Agree with ConMan, and dotpattern. It was Clark learning to become Superman while being Superman. It would have made no sense if Clark had been the ideal and iconic Superman in his ORIGINS film.
9:05PM on 11/04/2015
Agree with ConMan, and dotpattern. It was Clark learning to become Superman while being Superman. It would have made no sense if Clark had been the ideal and iconic Superman in his ORIGINS film.
Agree with ConMan, and dotpattern. It was Clark learning to become Superman while being Superman. It would have made no sense if Clark had been the ideal and iconic Superman in his ORIGINS film.
9:05PM on 11/04/2015
Agree with ConMan, and dotpattern. It was Clark learning to become Superman while being Superman. It would have made no sense if Clark had been the ideal and iconic Superman in his ORIGINS film.
Agree with ConMan, and dotpattern. It was Clark learning to become Superman while being Superman. It would have made no sense if Clark had been the ideal and iconic Superman in his ORIGINS film.
9:38PM on 11/04/2015
The whole "Superman was only Superman for day" argument only works if you forget that Superman is a grown 30-something year old man, and isn't mentally retarded.

Also, Clark was suppose to have a strong moral code handed down to him from his father (Pa Kent) long before he became Superman. A grown man doesn't need superpowers to create or moral code for himself. If anything, a 30-something year old man is already set in his ways.

Also, writing a character who isn't supposed to kill into
The whole "Superman was only Superman for day" argument only works if you forget that Superman is a grown 30-something year old man, and isn't mentally retarded.

Also, Clark was suppose to have a strong moral code handed down to him from his father (Pa Kent) long before he became Superman. A grown man doesn't need superpowers to create or moral code for himself. If anything, a 30-something year old man is already set in his ways.

Also, writing a character who isn't supposed to kill into a corner just to make him kill is bad writing. Especially when the original script had Superman send Zod to the phantom zone. And then all the collateral damage is just Snyder being an immature broham like Bay, where explosions and buildings falling down far outweigh story and logic. But Snyder wanted a darker scarier Superman (his words!). So this version of Superman does not fit into the classic relationship between Batman. Snyder essentially turned Superman into Batman. Batman has no boyscout morals to manipulate here.
10:19PM on 11/04/2015
Actually, Mr. Moe, all the destruction, and Superman having killed Zod, will be addressed in this next movie. It will be a huge factor into Batman's distrust of Superman, and Lex Luthor will use this as evidence that Superman is not a hero but someone to fear. So it's not bad writing at all. It will give Superman an arc he's never had before in the movies.
Actually, Mr. Moe, all the destruction, and Superman having killed Zod, will be addressed in this next movie. It will be a huge factor into Batman's distrust of Superman, and Lex Luthor will use this as evidence that Superman is not a hero but someone to fear. So it's not bad writing at all. It will give Superman an arc he's never had before in the movies.
10:14AM on 11/06/2015
I really DO think, Mr. Moe, that THIS IS THE WHOLE POINT on the contrary.
Clark was, indeed Superman for a day or so, almost never having used his powers in an aggressive way (mostly defensive or kind of retaliation if you count the truck at the restaurant), and he already went against the strong moral code he learned from Pa Kent (and his as stupid as useless death). This plus the PTSD after MoS's events and it is conceivable that he becomes the (kind of) classic Sup boyscout we know.
I really DO think, Mr. Moe, that THIS IS THE WHOLE POINT on the contrary.
Clark was, indeed Superman for a day or so, almost never having used his powers in an aggressive way (mostly defensive or kind of retaliation if you count the truck at the restaurant), and he already went against the strong moral code he learned from Pa Kent (and his as stupid as useless death). This plus the PTSD after MoS's events and it is conceivable that he becomes the (kind of) classic Sup boyscout we know.
7:49PM on 11/04/2015
In that gif, anyone else think it's sorta impossible for batman to jump so high with all that heavy armor?
In that gif, anyone else think it's sorta impossible for batman to jump so high with all that heavy armor?
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8:31PM on 11/04/2015
You mean a CGI cartoon is impossible? This movie is going to be an animated film with live action talking heads, so you can't expect real world psychics to play a role in this movie.
You mean a CGI cartoon is impossible? This movie is going to be an animated film with live action talking heads, so you can't expect real world psychics to play a role in this movie.
1:44AM on 11/05/2015
Yet you accept Iron Man? Same idea dude.
Yet you accept Iron Man? Same idea dude.
7:26PM on 11/04/2015
Seen Batman and Superman fighting on Halloween night. To honest, neither were fighting fair. It took Rick Grimes and Darth Vader to split them up. They were fine later, though. Saw them having a pint with each other about an hour later.......
Seen Batman and Superman fighting on Halloween night. To honest, neither were fighting fair. It took Rick Grimes and Darth Vader to split them up. They were fine later, though. Saw them having a pint with each other about an hour later.......
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7:04PM on 11/04/2015
This Batman seems to like hurting people, and that is fantastic.
This Batman seems to like hurting people, and that is fantastic.
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6:48PM on 11/04/2015
I just hope we get to see this version of Bruce Wayne/Batman use his detective skills a bit more than we have seen in past films.
I just hope we get to see this version of Bruce Wayne/Batman use his detective skills a bit more than we have seen in past films.
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6:05PM on 11/04/2015

Comics

Bats and Sups have fought multiple times before...
Batman is the ultimate Tactician, he has the advantage in any battle with anyone. The Dark Knight Returns is a great example of Bats vs Supes, if people aren't into the comics i suggest giving that animated film a watch.
Bats and Sups have fought multiple times before...
Batman is the ultimate Tactician, he has the advantage in any battle with anyone. The Dark Knight Returns is a great example of Bats vs Supes, if people aren't into the comics i suggest giving that animated film a watch.
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10:00PM on 11/04/2015
Or reading the book.
Or reading the book.
5:01PM on 11/04/2015

Batman is more than just a man, even in comparison to Supes.

"Batman has transcended his humanity. The moment Bruce's parents were killed, so too was Bruce. It has been argued that Superman is the real man and Kent is the constructed identity, and I agree with that, but I contend that Bruce is also constructed. The millionaire playboy is an act, a mockery of humanity made to mask the terrifying darkness that's within. There is no Bruce, just as there is no Kent.

Batman is a nightmare. Villains are afraid of him. *Superheroes* are terrified of him.
"Batman has transcended his humanity. The moment Bruce's parents were killed, so too was Bruce. It has been argued that Superman is the real man and Kent is the constructed identity, and I agree with that, but I contend that Bruce is also constructed. The millionaire playboy is an act, a mockery of humanity made to mask the terrifying darkness that's within. There is no Bruce, just as there is no Kent.

Batman is a nightmare. Villains are afraid of him. *Superheroes* are terrified of him. Batman has made secret plans that detail how to take down every hero. He is a thinker. A manipulator.

In this sense there would be no fight. If Batman wanted to, the question is not *if* Batman would destroy Superman, it's *how.* Whether it's Kryptonite, Magic, or his loved ones, Superman's weaknesses dangle out in the open, ripe for manipulation. He would be twisted, disassembled, and broken, emotionally and psychologically, with Batman never even coming into view." -rakker 2007

God! I love that quote
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