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Zack Snyder talks about the massive amount of death and destruction in Man of Steel

Aug. 29, 2013by: Niki Stephens

The massive disaster scene towards the end of MAN OF STEEL happened to be one of the biggest complaints of the film. Wait, what? Large amounts of destruction go hand in hand when it comes to comics. There's a big bad who wants to enslave humanity, or take out humanity, or take out entire cities, or even the world! So what's the problem here?

Some say that the amount of cataclysmic damage is no better than gore porn. Massive amounts of death and destruction just for the sake of it. According to director Zack Snyder, there's a little more to it then that. When Snyder spoke with Japan Times where the film is finally debuting, he had this to say about why it ended up that way:

I wanted the movie to have a mythological feeling. In ancient mythology, mass deaths are used to symbolize disasters. In other countries like Greece and Japan, myths were recounted through the generations, partly to answer unanswerable questions about death and violence. In America, we dont have that legacy of ancient mythology. Superman (who first appeared in Action Comics in 1938) is probably the closest we get. Its a way of recounting the myth.

The estimated body count was said to be near 129,000 with $2 billion in damage. Was that excessive for a superhero film? Or is this nothing new? Tell us your thoughts below!

Source: Japan Times

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10:52PM on 08/29/2013

HOLD THE F*CKING PHONE!!!

People were asking for action and they got it. Now they are saying that it was too much? Some people just don't know wtf they want.
People were asking for action and they got it. Now they are saying that it was too much? Some people just don't know wtf they want.
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2:00AM on 08/30/2013
Not shitty action that is used to gloss over nonsensical plot holes.
Not shitty action that is used to gloss over nonsensical plot holes.
8:59PM on 08/29/2013
This complaint is the stupidest thing fanboys have bitched about. This is one of the only superhero films to actually feel like the danger was real and tangible. It didn't feel like "safe" destruction. If anything it made Supes feel more heroic and not like an action figure. All fanboys did was bitch they wanted Supes and Co. to be truly represented in film. They wanted action and fights and insane visuals. They get it and they bitch about it. And the misconception that Supes himself caused
This complaint is the stupidest thing fanboys have bitched about. This is one of the only superhero films to actually feel like the danger was real and tangible. It didn't feel like "safe" destruction. If anything it made Supes feel more heroic and not like an action figure. All fanboys did was bitch they wanted Supes and Co. to be truly represented in film. They wanted action and fights and insane visuals. They get it and they bitch about it. And the misconception that Supes himself caused all the damage is so misguided it's hilarious. Did these people even watch the movie?
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1:32AM on 08/30/2013
In real life there'd be an inquest investigating all the deaths and if Zod and his henchmen are all dead then there would be a question of Superman's responsibility. It would not be a trial but Superman may be asked to explain what happened. If he refuses to testify at such an inquiry then he could be declared responsible in absentia. Then there'd be the question of whether the deaths were accidental, justified or criminal. Zod's own death would be ruled as justified. That may be
In real life there'd be an inquest investigating all the deaths and if Zod and his henchmen are all dead then there would be a question of Superman's responsibility. It would not be a trial but Superman may be asked to explain what happened. If he refuses to testify at such an inquiry then he could be declared responsible in absentia. Then there'd be the question of whether the deaths were accidental, justified or criminal. Zod's own death would be ruled as justified. That may be considered as given.
9:08PM on 08/29/2013
When you consider Superman saved 99.9 percent of the world population... I think he did okay...
When you consider Superman saved 99.9 percent of the world population... I think he did okay...
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9:58PM on 08/29/2013

Jesus, let it go already!

Enough with this "too much destruction" nonsense, seriously. A bunch of critics decided to nitpick and blow this aspect out of proportion and all of a sudden half the population of moviegoers are jumping into that bandwagon. Sorry if this sounds cliche, but sometimes you have to view a comicbook movie as a comicbook movie. You're allowed to suspend logic. You're allowed to say "Hey, maybe it's after working hours and everyone went home so the death toll isn't so horrific.".

As far as story
Enough with this "too much destruction" nonsense, seriously. A bunch of critics decided to nitpick and blow this aspect out of proportion and all of a sudden half the population of moviegoers are jumping into that bandwagon. Sorry if this sounds cliche, but sometimes you have to view a comicbook movie as a comicbook movie. You're allowed to suspend logic. You're allowed to say "Hey, maybe it's after working hours and everyone went home so the death toll isn't so horrific.".

As far as story goes..NO, Superman couldn't take the fight away from Metropolis. The f*cking world engine was trying to change the f*cking topography of the planet. How did that tiny lil' detail get ignored? And yeah, I didn't like the "baseball game" bit afterwards, but maybe there's a jump in time there. 6 months. Who knows. This is a simple story of an alien tyrant trying to screw us backwards, and a demigod-like hero coming to our aid. Thousands die thanks to the tyrant, billions survive thanks to Superman. Was MoS perfect? No, far from it. They they miss some emotional aspect? Sure. But it was fun as hell in the end. Now can we please put this extremely pointless philosophical argument to rest?
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10:03PM on 08/29/2013
When you make it sound as simple as that...I guess it's possible to enjoy nearly all movies...but Green Lantern still sucks ;o)
When you make it sound as simple as that...I guess it's possible to enjoy nearly all movies...but Green Lantern still sucks ;o)
10:20PM on 08/29/2013
Green Lantern sucked donkeyballs, I agree. But again, my problem with Green Lantern doesn't concern logic or semantics. It sucked because it was badly written, had bad acting, a goofy villain, cheesy dialogue, and was excruciatingly boring. Notice I never said anything about how a ring can form objects or how that fear-cloud thing should have killed millions of people. MoS had a good story, good actors, a really good threat / villains, and a hero you could root for. Was it the Superman from the
Green Lantern sucked donkeyballs, I agree. But again, my problem with Green Lantern doesn't concern logic or semantics. It sucked because it was badly written, had bad acting, a goofy villain, cheesy dialogue, and was excruciatingly boring. Notice I never said anything about how a ring can form objects or how that fear-cloud thing should have killed millions of people. MoS had a good story, good actors, a really good threat / villains, and a hero you could root for. Was it the Superman from the comics? Not nearly. But I'd bet good money that he's getting there.

I judge movies by containing that movie within its own universe. Trying to insert logic or real-world statistics like death toll numbers into things like Transformers or Man Of Steel is just silly because they're almost based on illogical concepts.
9:00PM on 08/29/2013
I didn't have a problem with the finally showdown between Superman and Zod. If anything, it gave Superman more reason to stop Zod the way he did. You can't have two super-powered beings fighting each other and have one of them say, "TIMEOUT! We're making a huge mess here. Can we go fight in an open field somewhere? "

If you ask me, the final fight added to the entertainment value of the film. I walked in expecting a summer superhero popcorn flick and that's what I got.
I didn't have a problem with the finally showdown between Superman and Zod. If anything, it gave Superman more reason to stop Zod the way he did. You can't have two super-powered beings fighting each other and have one of them say, "TIMEOUT! We're making a huge mess here. Can we go fight in an open field somewhere? "

If you ask me, the final fight added to the entertainment value of the film. I walked in expecting a summer superhero popcorn flick and that's what I got.
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6:44AM on 08/30/2013
So now we've developed the term "disaster porn" huh? Fucking hipsters need to get a life, it's a film. Now that you know what's in store during Snyders Superman films, how about you keep the fuck out of the theatres and therefore we won't have to witness you whining on public forums again.

Seriously, does this even deserve to have anyone give a crap about? It's fictional, it's a movie, it's a comic book movie even. I didn't go into Man of Steel to see a film about Clark Kent farming, I
So now we've developed the term "disaster porn" huh? Fucking hipsters need to get a life, it's a film. Now that you know what's in store during Snyders Superman films, how about you keep the fuck out of the theatres and therefore we won't have to witness you whining on public forums again.

Seriously, does this even deserve to have anyone give a crap about? It's fictional, it's a movie, it's a comic book movie even. I didn't go into Man of Steel to see a film about Clark Kent farming, I wanted to see Superman take a hit and return fire. Some people are so sad it's unreal. As ironic as this might be to say, no one really cares about your feelings.
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8:07AM on 08/30/2013
Oh and I thought I could express my feelings about a movie I was pumped up for and been dissapointed about in a public talkback to an artice on that said film on the site of a movie community. My bad.
Oh and I thought I could express my feelings about a movie I was pumped up for and been dissapointed about in a public talkback to an artice on that said film on the site of a movie community. My bad.
9:16AM on 08/30/2013
Hey, express your feeeeeeelings wherever you like by all means, but whining about destruction in films is just..... moronic. I can almost imagine these people running out of the theatre in a dramatic panic to see if it actually happened based on how caught up in it people are getting.

Seriously, enjoy and discuss films all you like but if you're gonna cry about some computer generated buildings falling down then go wipe your forced tears elsewhere.
Hey, express your feeeeeeelings wherever you like by all means, but whining about destruction in films is just..... moronic. I can almost imagine these people running out of the theatre in a dramatic panic to see if it actually happened based on how caught up in it people are getting.

Seriously, enjoy and discuss films all you like but if you're gonna cry about some computer generated buildings falling down then go wipe your forced tears elsewhere.
1:58PM on 08/30/2013
My thoughts exactly, Nutz. It's a movie. I always wanted a Superman film where he goes toe to toe against an alien being, all out. I seen him saving people from falling buildings, save a cat from a tree, foil a bank robbery.....but I wanted that comic book DC 52 Action. And if people are complaining about too much action, then go back to whore island....and read a current comic book
My thoughts exactly, Nutz. It's a movie. I always wanted a Superman film where he goes toe to toe against an alien being, all out. I seen him saving people from falling buildings, save a cat from a tree, foil a bank robbery.....but I wanted that comic book DC 52 Action. And if people are complaining about too much action, then go back to whore island....and read a current comic book
9:07PM on 08/29/2013

It incited a moral code

I honestly had no issues with the end of the film. I feel the massive death and destruction serves as a necessary motivator for Superman to establish his moral code on the value of life and from Zod's death forward having a "no death" policy. How else can you learn something so important if not through pain and mistakes?
I honestly had no issues with the end of the film. I feel the massive death and destruction serves as a necessary motivator for Superman to establish his moral code on the value of life and from Zod's death forward having a "no death" policy. How else can you learn something so important if not through pain and mistakes?
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11:41PM on 08/29/2013
I think you hit it perfectly! Whether Snyder intended it or not, you had a reluctant hero who wanted to do more, but was too selfish and afraid. He was taught that by his Earth parents who would rather sacrifice themselves than out him. Through the invasion and the fights, he got over his fear of humans and realized he had to become who he should have been all along.

It's a perfect setup for the second film. Unfortunately they're going to skip right over his character arc and throw
I think you hit it perfectly! Whether Snyder intended it or not, you had a reluctant hero who wanted to do more, but was too selfish and afraid. He was taught that by his Earth parents who would rather sacrifice themselves than out him. Through the invasion and the fights, he got over his fear of humans and realized he had to become who he should have been all along.

It's a perfect setup for the second film. Unfortunately they're going to skip right over his character arc and throw Batman (with the guy from Chasing Amy for Pete's sake) in with him, which is going to greatly damage any good done in the first film. I hope they can do it well enough to make the Justice League thing work, but they have basically killed the solo Superman franchise. That's truly a shame.
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10:30PM on 08/29/2013

when gods collide

Enough with this! You finally get a film where superman can punch and u whine about tone & fake buildings falling down. Not a perfect film but it was as epic a Superman movie we have had & for the things it did wrong it did about 3 other things correct.
Enough with this! You finally get a film where superman can punch and u whine about tone & fake buildings falling down. Not a perfect film but it was as epic a Superman movie we have had & for the things it did wrong it did about 3 other things correct.
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11:29PM on 08/29/2013
I loved the scene where he saved the oil workers. It really felt "real" for the first time in any Superman movie.

I got a kick out of what he did to the trucker's rig as well.....
I loved the scene where he saved the oil workers. It really felt "real" for the first time in any Superman movie.

I got a kick out of what he did to the trucker's rig as well.....
9:12PM on 08/29/2013
While Superman maybe could've taken the fight away from Metropolis, I don't really have a huge problem with the ending of Man of Steel. People complained about Superman Returns having little action and no proper fights. Well, in Man of Steel, we get a big damn fight. It's a clash between two super-powered beings, and something somewhere is going to fall apart. In the comics and cartoons, how many times has someone like Doomsday taken Superman and flung him through a whole series of buildings?
While Superman maybe could've taken the fight away from Metropolis, I don't really have a huge problem with the ending of Man of Steel. People complained about Superman Returns having little action and no proper fights. Well, in Man of Steel, we get a big damn fight. It's a clash between two super-powered beings, and something somewhere is going to fall apart. In the comics and cartoons, how many times has someone like Doomsday taken Superman and flung him through a whole series of buildings? And how many has Superman smashed said assailant into the pavement or whatever? There will be destruction, and huge-scale destruction is a form of movie spectacle.
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2:49AM on 08/30/2013

120,000 People thats 9/11 x 400

We would never hear the end of that sh*t on FOX News, but the destruction is the perfect setup for the next movie. The first half of the next movie can concentrate on all the damage that was done. Plus perfect opportunity for Lex Luthor to swoop in and lead the rebuilding effort, looking like the good guy. Maybe Bruce Wayne donates funds to help and finds out what an Asshole Lex really is.
We would never hear the end of that sh*t on FOX News, but the destruction is the perfect setup for the next movie. The first half of the next movie can concentrate on all the damage that was done. Plus perfect opportunity for Lex Luthor to swoop in and lead the rebuilding effort, looking like the good guy. Maybe Bruce Wayne donates funds to help and finds out what an Asshole Lex really is.
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4:46PM on 08/30/2013

It wasn't just that a lot of people died...

...the man who supposed to care about humanity added to the death/destruction without a hint of concern. Then we are supposed to feel for him when he [SPOILER] breaks Zods neck to save some people. Synder's problem is that he doesn't EARN the emotion he wants out of the scenes. If he wants happy, he'll show people smiling, if he wants romance he'll make his characters kiss (so forced btw), if he wants agony, they will scream. He doesn't establish these emotions with the actions of his
...the man who supposed to care about humanity added to the death/destruction without a hint of concern. Then we are supposed to feel for him when he [SPOILER] breaks Zods neck to save some people. Synder's problem is that he doesn't EARN the emotion he wants out of the scenes. If he wants happy, he'll show people smiling, if he wants romance he'll make his characters kiss (so forced btw), if he wants agony, they will scream. He doesn't establish these emotions with the actions of his characters and that's why this movie ultimately failed for me.

Don't get me wrong, I'm NOT a hater of the film. I loved Cavill as Superman/Clark. I thought the past scenes were fantastic and I have no issue with where he was trying to take the movie. In the end he failed to define Superman for what makes him Superman and instead chose to use the screen time for action and special FX.
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12:42AM on 08/31/2013
He did the same thing with Watchmen. Granted, a much darker story, but he took the dramatic impact out of the violence by sensationalizing it.
He did the same thing with Watchmen. Granted, a much darker story, but he took the dramatic impact out of the violence by sensationalizing it.
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11:56AM on 08/30/2013

death to all humans

I'm reminded of omelettes and eggs here.
Zod had, from the beginning, planned the death of every human on the planet. Destroying the world engine and Kryptonians did help lower that threat, but Zod did declare that he would kill every person on the planet personally after that.

That's the reason he and Superman have that fight. With equal power, greater rage and better training Supes could not have contained that fight, though he does try taking Zod out into space. It just doesn't
I'm reminded of omelettes and eggs here.
Zod had, from the beginning, planned the death of every human on the planet. Destroying the world engine and Kryptonians did help lower that threat, but Zod did declare that he would kill every person on the planet personally after that.

That's the reason he and Superman have that fight. With equal power, greater rage and better training Supes could not have contained that fight, though he does try taking Zod out into space. It just doesn't work.

If I'm not mistaken most of the destruction comes from Supes taking hits from Zod and not the other way around.

So if you want to pass blame for metropolis put it where it belongs, otherwise all the complainers sound like the hates at the end of Avengers.
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1:39PM on 08/30/2013
Couldn't have said it any better. Thanks.
Couldn't have said it any better. Thanks.
8:40AM on 08/30/2013
I Hate Superman. Always have. He's always been so lame. Finally a good Superman movie comes out, that shows how he carries the weight of the world on his shoulders, and is awesome, and he finally punches something as everyone wanted, and people whine about it. Leave it to the internet hipster who hate on everything to ruin something fantastic.
I Hate Superman. Always have. He's always been so lame. Finally a good Superman movie comes out, that shows how he carries the weight of the world on his shoulders, and is awesome, and he finally punches something as everyone wanted, and people whine about it. Leave it to the internet hipster who hate on everything to ruin something fantastic.
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9:50PM on 08/29/2013
This continues to be my complaint about the destruction: It was not UTILIZED or put in EMOTIONAL terms. It was just there to be useless eye candy. As mentioned, they kill upwards of 100,000 people, and the only time you ever feel like anybody is in danger is when Perry is trying to save Jenny. That scene was PERFECTLY done. And secondly, although Supes was on the other side of the planet at the time ('saving' lives indirectly, the only actual moment he directly SAVES someone not named Lois Lane
This continues to be my complaint about the destruction: It was not UTILIZED or put in EMOTIONAL terms. It was just there to be useless eye candy. As mentioned, they kill upwards of 100,000 people, and the only time you ever feel like anybody is in danger is when Perry is trying to save Jenny. That scene was PERFECTLY done. And secondly, although Supes was on the other side of the planet at the time ('saving' lives indirectly, the only actual moment he directly SAVES someone not named Lois Lane was that group of people at the very end at the subway station or wherever. Oh good, kill 100,000 people and only let Superman legitimately save five people. Terribly, terribly executed. They could have made it feel like watching clips from 9/11, absolute gut-wrenching stuff, and instead, they managed to create more destruction and death, yet 0% of the emotion.
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9:57PM on 08/29/2013
You just summed up in one paragraph what I used an e-ffing essay to try to explain - thanks for making me look like a fool ;o)
You just summed up in one paragraph what I used an e-ffing essay to try to explain - thanks for making me look like a fool ;o)
12:37AM on 08/31/2013
That is much better articulated than what I said.
That is much better articulated than what I said.
11:45PM on 08/29/2013
2 billion is nothing. Our government waste billions on useless wars every days.
2 billion is nothing. Our government waste billions on useless wars every days.
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8:47AM on 08/30/2013

Stupid haters.

The whole " Superman could have taken the fight somewhere else" is so fucking flawed and stupid. There was a mini kryptonian army , he was barely beating Faora and Namek in Smallville and then he had to kill Zod to stop the madness ...how was he going to take the fight somewhere else? By asking them , hey guy can we go to the desert or some shit so we dont destroy Metropolis.....some people are retrded. This picture showed what would happen if an alien invasion really happened , shit would
The whole " Superman could have taken the fight somewhere else" is so fucking flawed and stupid. There was a mini kryptonian army , he was barely beating Faora and Namek in Smallville and then he had to kill Zod to stop the madness ...how was he going to take the fight somewhere else? By asking them , hey guy can we go to the desert or some shit so we dont destroy Metropolis.....some people are retrded. This picture showed what would happen if an alien invasion really happened , shit would get fucked up---not like the avengers , where the action was geareds towards 5 years olds. After the destrcution in NY , I didn't see one fucking dead person...now that's retarded.
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10:38PM on 08/29/2013
It's time for fanboys to quit whining about EVERYTHING in comic book movies and get on with their lives...this also goes for the outrage over Affleck...it's getting old and annoying.
It's time for fanboys to quit whining about EVERYTHING in comic book movies and get on with their lives...this also goes for the outrage over Affleck...it's getting old and annoying.
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9:54PM on 08/29/2013
Not sure what the cynicism in the first paragraph is about. My issue with the movie is not the massive destruction - there's an alien invasion and god like beings are slugging it out - one trying to save us against the many. Destruction of that scale is inevitable.

Anyone who recognises my posts on here will know that I sound like a broken record on this issue...but the Superman in Man Of Steel... once the going gets tough is shown to be anything but the Superman many have come to love.
Not sure what the cynicism in the first paragraph is about. My issue with the movie is not the massive destruction - there's an alien invasion and god like beings are slugging it out - one trying to save us against the many. Destruction of that scale is inevitable.

Anyone who recognises my posts on here will know that I sound like a broken record on this issue...but the Superman in Man Of Steel... once the going gets tough is shown to be anything but the Superman many have come to love. The film did a great job of showing the way Kent was being bought up...the way in which he was being taught that with greater power comes great responsibility ;o) It was good stuff. However the second he becomes Supes, all his lessons seem to go out of the window. Whilst he's shown to save several soldiers in Smallville, we see almost nothing of this in the final showdown...until he's forced to snap something. We see almost no examples of him trying to take the fight away from populated areas. I'm still surprised no one makes a bigger deal about the way he made his objection to being followed by a US drone be known to a senior military officer - what a way to show you're a nice and humble guy who only shows force when absolutely required. It's like all Clark's lessons from Pa Kent went out the window.

Whilst Superman 2 is terribly dated and the Metropolis fight scene isn't actually that great...it showed many scenes, intersecting the fighting of Superman saving civilians - whether it was that stupid women who decided to stand on the spot and let that metallic tower thingy fall on her...or the icing of the truck's fuel tank...or screaming out that there are people on the bus - we are continually shown the compassion Superman has for the humans around him. Hell, he apologises to the President at the end and says hell wont let him down again - did we see any guilt from Kal El in Man of Steel, especially as it was his actions that indirectly led Zod and co to earth?

I just think too little of Superman being a what a guy guy was shown in the final product. The third main Man of Steel Trailer was fantastic...showing a Superman that came across as extremely humble and considerate of the human race. I don't think the movie came up anywhere near to the feeling that third trailer gave me.

I would also like to point out that the Metropolis fight scene in Superman 2 on more than one occasion made me feel like punching the air in appreciation of a heroic act carried out by Supermanas did Superman Returns, when he caught the plane. I mean, if scenes like that really happenedwouldnt we all get upscream in joyclapping and shit? I dont remember any scenes in Man of Steel that bought out such emotions.
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8:40AM on 08/30/2013
Thought it was a cool movie - didn't think it wasn't true to the character of Superman. This is the closest to the level of action we see in comicbooks that we've had on the big screen so far - if there was massive collateral damage, Superman did what he could to prevent more. The burst of anger he had in Smallville was understandable, and this was effectively his first full adventure as Superman so he was reacting to out of control events as much as anything - with more time spent as a hero
Thought it was a cool movie - didn't think it wasn't true to the character of Superman. This is the closest to the level of action we see in comicbooks that we've had on the big screen so far - if there was massive collateral damage, Superman did what he could to prevent more. The burst of anger he had in Smallville was understandable, and this was effectively his first full adventure as Superman so he was reacting to out of control events as much as anything - with more time spent as a hero saving the planet he'll develop confidence and codes by which he'll live - standards he sets himself. This is the best cinematic take on Superman we've had so far, and a great starting point for a new franchise of films. Not saying it's a perfect film, but I do think people are complaining way too much about the destruction. It's showing superhuman action in a way that hasn't been done before (except maybe for the third Matrix movie) - you set two "gods" fighting eachother, that's what's gonna happen.
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10:17AM on 08/30/2013
Superman is supposed to be the guy that everyone looks up to, the guy that always finds a solution, the guy for whom even one human life is sacred. He is not supposed to be the guy that destroys entire cities without caring about the collateral damage, he is not supposed to be a bigger threat than the guy he's fighting. The wholy "gritty realism" thing simply does not work with Superman, it does not fit, that is not what Superman is about. Goyer/Snyder have completely missed the point.
Superman is supposed to be the guy that everyone looks up to, the guy that always finds a solution, the guy for whom even one human life is sacred. He is not supposed to be the guy that destroys entire cities without caring about the collateral damage, he is not supposed to be a bigger threat than the guy he's fighting. The wholy "gritty realism" thing simply does not work with Superman, it does not fit, that is not what Superman is about. Goyer/Snyder have completely missed the point.
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11:00AM on 08/30/2013
amen to that!
amen to that!
2:25PM on 08/30/2013
Keep in mind this is his first adventure, so he is still learning about things in this cannon. His first major fight with someone who wants to kill humans. His focus was on Zod. He wasn't out to kill humans. Large majority of deaths was from the machine that Zod was using to destroy the earth.
Keep in mind this is his first adventure, so he is still learning about things in this cannon. His first major fight with someone who wants to kill humans. His focus was on Zod. He wasn't out to kill humans. Large majority of deaths was from the machine that Zod was using to destroy the earth.
4:55PM on 08/30/2013
I sooo agree with you. They missed the point plain and simple.
I sooo agree with you. They missed the point plain and simple.
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8:22AM on 08/30/2013
Jesus enough already, if you have a problem with a death toll in a movie, then you way too much time on your hands!
Jesus enough already, if you have a problem with a death toll in a movie, then you way too much time on your hands!
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12:34PM on 08/30/2013
It's called freedom of speech, and this is an open forum.
It's called freedom of speech, and this is an open forum.
2:06AM on 08/30/2013

i wasnt disappointed

I wanted a Superman movie with today's CGI and graphics with TONS of action, and this completely delivered.
At least Zack decided to 'Go Big or Go Home'.
I wanted a Superman movie with today's CGI and graphics with TONS of action, and this completely delivered.
At least Zack decided to 'Go Big or Go Home'.
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10:04PM on 08/29/2013
There were plenty of things wrong with MoS. The scale of the destruction wasn't one of them. Honestly, I found the imagery of a giant space ship leveling San Francisco in Star Trek Into Darkness to be more grim than anything in MoS.
There were plenty of things wrong with MoS. The scale of the destruction wasn't one of them. Honestly, I found the imagery of a giant space ship leveling San Francisco in Star Trek Into Darkness to be more grim than anything in MoS.
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1:28PM on 08/30/2013
After seeing 2012, I don't remember one friend saying to me, You know a lot of people died in that movie. But if a lot of people die in a superhero film it's noticed and looked down upon.
After seeing 2012, I don't remember one friend saying to me, You know a lot of people died in that movie. But if a lot of people die in a superhero film it's noticed and looked down upon.
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1:45PM on 08/30/2013
This is supposed to be a Superman movie, not a disaster movie.

Man of Steel is just another alien invasion movie where two aliens are having their feud on earth. And it isn't much better than ID4 or 2012 (in essence, it's just as shallow and empty), so I don't get why this is getting better ratings.
This is supposed to be a Superman movie, not a disaster movie.

Man of Steel is just another alien invasion movie where two aliens are having their feud on earth. And it isn't much better than ID4 or 2012 (in essence, it's just as shallow and empty), so I don't get why this is getting better ratings.
3:56PM on 08/30/2013
It isn't unusual for a lot of people to die in an apocalyptic themed movie, so why be Capt. Obvious by saying, "wow, a lot of people died in 2012." But, that isn't the issue. The issue is who causes the destruction and how the filmmaker handles the aftermath.
It isn't unusual for a lot of people to die in an apocalyptic themed movie, so why be Capt. Obvious by saying, "wow, a lot of people died in 2012." But, that isn't the issue. The issue is who causes the destruction and how the filmmaker handles the aftermath.
1:27PM on 08/30/2013
I call bullshit on the death total and $$ value in destruction. There is no way people can calculate that from cut scenes in a movie. Also, people tend to generalize that the entire city of Metropolis got destroyed when it was only an area of the city. Frankly, the whole critique of property damage in the movie is fucking nitpicky that I'm over. MoS was a decent blockbuster film and guaranteed everyone that has complained will be lining up to see the sequel.
I call bullshit on the death total and $$ value in destruction. There is no way people can calculate that from cut scenes in a movie. Also, people tend to generalize that the entire city of Metropolis got destroyed when it was only an area of the city. Frankly, the whole critique of property damage in the movie is fucking nitpicky that I'm over. MoS was a decent blockbuster film and guaranteed everyone that has complained will be lining up to see the sequel.
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10:58AM on 08/30/2013

Some of you are insane

I think you people are forgetting that Zod was about to end life on Earth to bring back his people. I mean really, Superman had to wear the guy down and beat the crap out of him. Conventional means weren't even an option. And "setting up perimeters" and having a good ol fist fight wasn't going to accomplish that ya know.... So, saving the Earth with collateral damage, or an evil dictator from another planet controlling all of civilization, which do you prefer?
I think you people are forgetting that Zod was about to end life on Earth to bring back his people. I mean really, Superman had to wear the guy down and beat the crap out of him. Conventional means weren't even an option. And "setting up perimeters" and having a good ol fist fight wasn't going to accomplish that ya know.... So, saving the Earth with collateral damage, or an evil dictator from another planet controlling all of civilization, which do you prefer?
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11:18AM on 08/30/2013
Except that the threat of planetary destruction had been averted prior to the fight. Then the fight added to the destruction.
Except that the threat of planetary destruction had been averted prior to the fight. Then the fight added to the destruction.
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2:44PM on 08/30/2013
By the way, was I the only one who thought the Lois Lane kiss scene ...seemed ...well ...badly timed? I don't think it was appropriate this soon in to the "relationship"...but then...for it be completely rendered meaningless as the danger was far from over. Badly timed...or unnecessary at this stage of their lives...not sure...but either way, didn't feel right.
By the way, was I the only one who thought the Lois Lane kiss scene ...seemed ...well ...badly timed? I don't think it was appropriate this soon in to the "relationship"...but then...for it be completely rendered meaningless as the danger was far from over. Badly timed...or unnecessary at this stage of their lives...not sure...but either way, didn't feel right.
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4:49PM on 08/30/2013
No you're not. It was terrible. Should not have even happened because there was no build up to their romance and they kissed literally after thousands/millions of people probably died. Just adds to my comment above about lazy storytelling by Synder.
No you're not. It was terrible. Should not have even happened because there was no build up to their romance and they kissed literally after thousands/millions of people probably died. Just adds to my comment above about lazy storytelling by Synder.
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3:34AM on 08/30/2013
129000 people dead? Uh, bummer...Ok, whos gonna see the dodgers game with me tonight. Should be easy to find a place to park with all the buildings gone.
129000 people dead? Uh, bummer...Ok, whos gonna see the dodgers game with me tonight. Should be easy to find a place to park with all the buildings gone.
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8:52AM on 08/30/2013

Plus , the city was destroyed by the world engine ..

When Superman got there the whole center of Metropoils was destroyed.
When Superman got there the whole center of Metropoils was destroyed.
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11:33PM on 08/29/2013
It's a film! Not real life. What the hell is everyone's problem? It's not like people's actual Mother's died during the film.
It's a film! Not real life. What the hell is everyone's problem? It's not like people's actual Mother's died during the film.
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4:10PM on 08/30/2013

Superman should off just sat out..

on his couch eating pocpcorn while the world engine killed all 7 billion habitants on earth..
on his couch eating pocpcorn while the world engine killed all 7 billion habitants on earth..
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1:56PM on 08/30/2013
Snyder makes dumb, shallow movies, void of real emotions and clever plots. He is all about appearance and he quite simply does not care about content. As long as things go "boom" and "wham" and "kapow", he's happy.

Now I guess there's nothing wrong with such a movie from time to time, but I honestly don't get why he's not lumped in with Bay, Emmerich and their ilk, since Snyder is exactly the same.

And no, this kind of movie is not what I want when thinking about Superman, he deserves a
Snyder makes dumb, shallow movies, void of real emotions and clever plots. He is all about appearance and he quite simply does not care about content. As long as things go "boom" and "wham" and "kapow", he's happy.

Now I guess there's nothing wrong with such a movie from time to time, but I honestly don't get why he's not lumped in with Bay, Emmerich and their ilk, since Snyder is exactly the same.

And no, this kind of movie is not what I want when thinking about Superman, he deserves a better treatment than this type of superficiality.
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1:03PM on 08/30/2013

Little late to the party but I have a different take on this...

While I didn't take such issue with the ending battle and honestly, the crazy amounts of destruction, I have to call BS on Snyder's explanation. It's fine that he decided to go all-out and level half a city, but man up and admit that you did that for the sake of doing it. Frankly, his "mythological" explanation makes absolutely no sense. Classics such as The Odyssey or the Iliad don't have such a deep mythology because they had mass deaths. That's not even close to what defines them. Their
While I didn't take such issue with the ending battle and honestly, the crazy amounts of destruction, I have to call BS on Snyder's explanation. It's fine that he decided to go all-out and level half a city, but man up and admit that you did that for the sake of doing it. Frankly, his "mythological" explanation makes absolutely no sense. Classics such as The Odyssey or the Iliad don't have such a deep mythology because they had mass deaths. That's not even close to what defines them. Their mythology is a direct result of strongly written characters, an engaging plot, terrifying villains, beautifully written character arcs that are applicable to the readers, very successful world-building and a sense of history....Man of Steel had none of this. I had more problems with those failures than too much destruction and death. It's perfectly okay to put massive amounts of disaster porn in your movie, but don't lie to yourself and us. To say that you had to kill 100,000+ imaginary movie citizens in order to make it have a "mythological feeling" is lazy, misinformed, and just flat-out wrong.
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11:36AM on 08/30/2013
I got over mass destruction halfway through Akira, right before I dozed off. When it's on a scale that begins to make you desensitize, it's too much. I think Man of Steel was right on that line, because it still stuck with people. Any more and it would've been just a mess. Destroying London in GI Joe 2 was ridiculous.
Having said that, it's fiction, it doesn't really matter! There WAS probably a point to it in regards to the sequel- Luthor rebuilding a tower at ground zero/ using the
I got over mass destruction halfway through Akira, right before I dozed off. When it's on a scale that begins to make you desensitize, it's too much. I think Man of Steel was right on that line, because it still stuck with people. Any more and it would've been just a mess. Destroying London in GI Joe 2 was ridiculous.
Having said that, it's fiction, it doesn't really matter! There WAS probably a point to it in regards to the sequel- Luthor rebuilding a tower at ground zero/ using the destruction to convince people not to trust Supes?
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11:19AM on 08/30/2013
How would Batman be able to get on Superman's last nerve if he couldn't poke at him, calling him a murderer, because of everything that happened in Man of Steel? This is a perfect opportunity for Superman to 1.) have reasons for being pissed at Batman, and 2.) prove Batman wrong.
How would Batman be able to get on Superman's last nerve if he couldn't poke at him, calling him a murderer, because of everything that happened in Man of Steel? This is a perfect opportunity for Superman to 1.) have reasons for being pissed at Batman, and 2.) prove Batman wrong.
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10:33AM on 08/30/2013

It is fine.

I enjoyed the movie and understand that it needed to be different than the prior films. The doom and gloom aspect is appropriate, it gives a reason of needing a superhero that more important. Big Up to Snyder!
I enjoyed the movie and understand that it needed to be different than the prior films. The doom and gloom aspect is appropriate, it gives a reason of needing a superhero that more important. Big Up to Snyder!
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10:01AM on 08/30/2013
I really doubt Snyder had this idea when he made the movie.
Nice collateral though.
I really doubt Snyder had this idea when he made the movie.
Nice collateral though.
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3:10PM on 08/30/2013

Havent seen nothing yet

Wait til Doomsday emerges at the end of Superman/Batman and continues in the Justice League movie. That will be real Death and Destruction.
Wait til Doomsday emerges at the end of Superman/Batman and continues in the Justice League movie. That will be real Death and Destruction.
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12:46PM on 08/30/2013

Just let it go...

Just let it go, and enjoy the Superman movie that we all wanted, expecting, needing for a very long long time! MoS was beautifully crafted, romantically set, dramatically capturing, emotionally horrific, all in one Superman movie, which was a lot to take in one sitting. (Snyder could've done a 2-part MoS so that he could iron the story out more, but didn't).

Just enjoy it, fanboys, geeksquads, nerdies, and dorks 'r us... Just enjoy it!

Thanks! =)
Just let it go, and enjoy the Superman movie that we all wanted, expecting, needing for a very long long time! MoS was beautifully crafted, romantically set, dramatically capturing, emotionally horrific, all in one Superman movie, which was a lot to take in one sitting. (Snyder could've done a 2-part MoS so that he could iron the story out more, but didn't).

Just enjoy it, fanboys, geeksquads, nerdies, and dorks 'r us... Just enjoy it!

Thanks! =)
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10:23AM on 08/30/2013
My biggest problem was not the action or destruction but how it was filmed. The camera was so jerky and fast moving that the fight scenes were blurred or seemed as if the cameraman could not keep up with the scene. Other than that I thought it was a good movie.
My biggest problem was not the action or destruction but how it was filmed. The camera was so jerky and fast moving that the fight scenes were blurred or seemed as if the cameraman could not keep up with the scene. Other than that I thought it was a good movie.
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9:41AM on 08/30/2013
Polarboy said it best. Fanboys are more than whiny any more. Now they're turning into bandwagon jumpers. Of the people bitching about Metropolis being partially destroyed, I can't help but think 95% weren't thinking about it while watching.

And while we're at it, I bet 99.9% of the J.J.Abrams haters didn't know what the hell a lens flare was til the day they jumped the bandwagon.
Polarboy said it best. Fanboys are more than whiny any more. Now they're turning into bandwagon jumpers. Of the people bitching about Metropolis being partially destroyed, I can't help but think 95% weren't thinking about it while watching.

And while we're at it, I bet 99.9% of the J.J.Abrams haters didn't know what the hell a lens flare was til the day they jumped the bandwagon.
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7:08AM on 08/30/2013

Loved the movie

I only think that the destruction was just a tad too much. And honestly, in order to counter the destruction on such a massive scale they would have only had to have like three or four shots/sequences of Superman even ATTEMPTING to save more lives than allow the destruction. Look, I get it, if Zod and Superman go at it in a major city, there's going to be destruction, and I'm okay with that. It's realistic. It would have just been nice to seen a balance of Superman trying to stop the bad guy
I only think that the destruction was just a tad too much. And honestly, in order to counter the destruction on such a massive scale they would have only had to have like three or four shots/sequences of Superman even ATTEMPTING to save more lives than allow the destruction. Look, I get it, if Zod and Superman go at it in a major city, there's going to be destruction, and I'm okay with that. It's realistic. It would have just been nice to seen a balance of Superman trying to stop the bad guy and trying to contain the destruction. That's where the criticism should lie.
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10:21PM on 08/29/2013
It would have been fine if Superman had made any effort to preserve human life throughout the length of the movie. He suddenly cared about the three people Zod was going to laser in the train station. By that point, I had accepted Superman's reckless indifference (part of Snyder's interpretation of the character, I guess?). For goodness sake, let's try for some consistency.
It would have been fine if Superman had made any effort to preserve human life throughout the length of the movie. He suddenly cared about the three people Zod was going to laser in the train station. By that point, I had accepted Superman's reckless indifference (part of Snyder's interpretation of the character, I guess?). For goodness sake, let's try for some consistency.
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10:31PM on 08/29/2013
dude are you on crack? not sure what movie u were watching but as you saw kal was busy the WHOLE movie once he dawned that suit, there wasnt even a scene amidst all the action where kal had to desperately save someones life, the only time that occured in the movie was at the end how u mentioned.........but dont sit there and say he didnt care about nor save any lives throughout the movie cause thats all he was doing the WHOLE time, trying to save humanity and technically he saved SEVERAL lives
dude are you on crack? not sure what movie u were watching but as you saw kal was busy the WHOLE movie once he dawned that suit, there wasnt even a scene amidst all the action where kal had to desperately save someones life, the only time that occured in the movie was at the end how u mentioned.........but dont sit there and say he didnt care about nor save any lives throughout the movie cause thats all he was doing the WHOLE time, trying to save humanity and technically he saved SEVERAL lives and his "reckless indifference"???<---do u even know what ur talking about, this was an origins story and henry/clark was the best superman ur gonna get, dude was down to earth and caring and had a lot on his shoulders to bear, again, this is the best literation of "superman" anyone is ever gonna do
9:11PM on 09/02/2013
Mass death doesn't symbolize disaster, it is a disaster. Symbolism is when one thing represents another, usually done with subtlety. And I'm not complaining about Man of Steel, I loved it. Went to see it twice. I just don't get what he means with that statement.
Mass death doesn't symbolize disaster, it is a disaster. Symbolism is when one thing represents another, usually done with subtlety. And I'm not complaining about Man of Steel, I loved it. Went to see it twice. I just don't get what he means with that statement.
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2:54PM on 08/31/2013
Listen, that movie had a lot of problems, mostly with the script being first-draft quality, but the end fight destruction never bothered me. The movie is clearly not endorsing all the death and destruction - the guy doing it is the bad guy. Yeah, Superman punches Zod through a building a few times, but he does that to Darkseid in the JLU finale that everyone always spanks off too and no one complains about that.
Listen, that movie had a lot of problems, mostly with the script being first-draft quality, but the end fight destruction never bothered me. The movie is clearly not endorsing all the death and destruction - the guy doing it is the bad guy. Yeah, Superman punches Zod through a building a few times, but he does that to Darkseid in the JLU finale that everyone always spanks off too and no one complains about that.
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12:34AM on 08/31/2013
For starters, I had zero problem with the brawling in Metropolis (though Smallville did compromise his identity in his hometown, but that's another thing altogether). But while I understand the science-fiction justification for it, Metropolis, the center of Clark Kent's world, is literally being smashed to pieces, and for most of that Superman is halfway around the world. I can appreciate the filmmakers trying to find a way for us to see Kal-El as something other than a completely invincible
For starters, I had zero problem with the brawling in Metropolis (though Smallville did compromise his identity in his hometown, but that's another thing altogether). But while I understand the science-fiction justification for it, Metropolis, the center of Clark Kent's world, is literally being smashed to pieces, and for most of that Superman is halfway around the world. I can appreciate the filmmakers trying to find a way for us to see Kal-El as something other than a completely invincible individual, and I didn't mind that there was destruction. But in my mind Superman is the guy who swoops in to save the day, and he really dropped the ball on this one, even if he did stop more people from dying. Where was the guy who went around randomly rescuing people in seemingly helpless situations (and who we met early in the movie, so we know he exists)? Though his tears spoke volumes, but I think that had more to do with the mythology than with anything Goyer or Snyder had to add.
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2:38PM on 08/30/2013
Had a look at what others are saying...and a lot are going on about what would you have done in that situation. I don't think that's the issue. Superman did what he had to do...he was up against a massive threat. The issue is that the people behind the movie...failed to inject scenes that pull at the heart strings...you know...the kind of things that greatly endear a hero of Superman's stature to the masses. There's nothing wrong with the extended fight scenes...or the mass destruction -
Had a look at what others are saying...and a lot are going on about what would you have done in that situation. I don't think that's the issue. Superman did what he had to do...he was up against a massive threat. The issue is that the people behind the movie...failed to inject scenes that pull at the heart strings...you know...the kind of things that greatly endear a hero of Superman's stature to the masses. There's nothing wrong with the extended fight scenes...or the mass destruction - that's what Zod wanted. Why not inject some scenes of Superman saving people in Metropolis? Whilst it was not practical for onlookers to be around on the count of the city being destroyed...how often did we see in the Smallville battle...the civilians being in awe of what they were seeing...or high fiving one another when Superman saved someone? What about an emotional scene like having Supes arrive late at the scene and watches a distraught Perry White pull out the dead body of Jenny Olsen? I just saw Batman Begins again today...the scene after he marks his arrival...taking out Falcone and his crew, the police showing up...looking both surprised and amazed...Gordon's reaction...Batman standing high up the building looking down on the city...the music...the reaction of the rich the following day....impressive stuff...stuff that was completely absent from Man of Steel. Honestly, I think it was wrong to bring in a villain of Zod's stature in the first movie - something less epic...to get the public to first see Supes...appreciate him...cheer for him...then bring on Zod. Ah, I see what I did there...that was how Superman and Superman 2 was set up - I guess no one wanted to be accused of copying...or perhaps they were desperately trying to do their own thing. Either way, I think the movie suffered because of it.
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3:32PM on 08/30/2013
Am I the only one who has thought that this is Superman's first ever serious battle!! His mind would be on trying to rid Earth of Zod's threat. I can't imagine him trying to get around the city to save innocent people while Zod & Co were trying to destroy Earth. He hadn't acquired that skill yet...
Am I the only one who has thought that this is Superman's first ever serious battle!! His mind would be on trying to rid Earth of Zod's threat. I can't imagine him trying to get around the city to save innocent people while Zod & Co were trying to destroy Earth. He hadn't acquired that skill yet...
3:51PM on 08/30/2013
That's true...would be fair to say he wasn't ready...but then...he really should have lost a battle up against many just like him, after all, they were born / trained warriors - he just found out about his heritage. Think it backs up what I feel - was too soon to put him up against Zod - perhaps a human advisory would have been better...but it's clear Snyder wanted to give the fans a Superman that finally punches something very hard.
That's true...would be fair to say he wasn't ready...but then...he really should have lost a battle up against many just like him, after all, they were born / trained warriors - he just found out about his heritage. Think it backs up what I feel - was too soon to put him up against Zod - perhaps a human advisory would have been better...but it's clear Snyder wanted to give the fans a Superman that finally punches something very hard.
12:54PM on 08/30/2013
I just didn't find MOS enthralling or overly interesting. It had nothing to do with the level of destruction though. that wasnt the issue. It simply lacked charm and heart, in my opinion. So far, Richard Donner and his cast are the only ones who have gotten it right.
I just didn't find MOS enthralling or overly interesting. It had nothing to do with the level of destruction though. that wasnt the issue. It simply lacked charm and heart, in my opinion. So far, Richard Donner and his cast are the only ones who have gotten it right.
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1:58AM on 08/30/2013
It wasn't that they didn't really need that kind of destruction it's that it felt hollow because you were watching a cartoon through several portions of it. It felt like every comic book movie has this same shit in it and it doesn't really impress anymore. The convoluted ridiculous plot holes didn't help either. The casting was great though.
It wasn't that they didn't really need that kind of destruction it's that it felt hollow because you were watching a cartoon through several portions of it. It felt like every comic book movie has this same shit in it and it doesn't really impress anymore. The convoluted ridiculous plot holes didn't help either. The casting was great though.
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6:16PM on 08/30/2013

Jesus!

Give this new superman a freaking break, he was thrown into some pretty crazy shit not long after finding out about his origin and true power. I'm certain that the ideals that he is known for will come out of these events.
Give this new superman a freaking break, he was thrown into some pretty crazy shit not long after finding out about his origin and true power. I'm certain that the ideals that he is known for will come out of these events.
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12:46AM on 08/31/2013
No doubt. But then, my criticisms don't come from the fact that David Goyer and Zack Snyder could've found another way to bring about his origins and still let us see Superman the way we all want to. That line that Jor-El says about being something for humans to strive to be, I was hoping we'd actually see that guy before the credits rolled. I have high hopes for the sequel based on the loose ends left by the first movie.
No doubt. But then, my criticisms don't come from the fact that David Goyer and Zack Snyder could've found another way to bring about his origins and still let us see Superman the way we all want to. That line that Jor-El says about being something for humans to strive to be, I was hoping we'd actually see that guy before the credits rolled. I have high hopes for the sequel based on the loose ends left by the first movie.
10:48PM on 08/29/2013

Haha, sounds like a bullshit defense.

I'm not a fanboy of Superman nor do I really care about *SPOILER ALERT* -- don't continue reading if you haven't seen the movie -- whether or not Superman killed someone. That specific part didn't bother me or have me in a geek rage. BUT I do think Snyder is a poor filmmaker, and it's not necessarily the scope of the destruction that bugged me but rather the creatively bankrupt way he went about portraying it. The whole big battle at the end is one long, endless cacophony of cartoon violence.
I'm not a fanboy of Superman nor do I really care about *SPOILER ALERT* -- don't continue reading if you haven't seen the movie -- whether or not Superman killed someone. That specific part didn't bother me or have me in a geek rage. BUT I do think Snyder is a poor filmmaker, and it's not necessarily the scope of the destruction that bugged me but rather the creatively bankrupt way he went about portraying it. The whole big battle at the end is one long, endless cacophony of cartoon violence. It got old real fast and pulled me right out of the movie. His filmmaking skills need work, period. The mythology stuff can come afterward.
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12:01AM on 08/30/2013
Snyder is a poor filmmaker, it's nice to know I'm not alone here. 300 doesn't hold up, Suckerpunched sucked, I didn't get into Watchmen, personally I didn't like it but I wouldn't argue someone that its a bad movie and MOS... was LAAAAAME!
Snyder is a poor filmmaker, it's nice to know I'm not alone here. 300 doesn't hold up, Suckerpunched sucked, I didn't get into Watchmen, personally I didn't like it but I wouldn't argue someone that its a bad movie and MOS... was LAAAAAME!
11:23AM on 08/30/2013

After said mythological disasters...

There was no mourning or reflection, instead they all went to watch gladiators compete at their local coliseum...is that right?
There was no mourning or reflection, instead they all went to watch gladiators compete at their local coliseum...is that right?
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8:01AM on 08/30/2013

trauma: it's about the tone!

The problem with aaaall that destruction is the "gritty realism" Snyder, Nolan and company were going for. You can't shoot for pseudo plausability but then have a major city suffer more damage than any city ever. Metropolis could never realistically recover from that kind of trauma!
The problem with aaaall that destruction is the "gritty realism" Snyder, Nolan and company were going for. You can't shoot for pseudo plausability but then have a major city suffer more damage than any city ever. Metropolis could never realistically recover from that kind of trauma!
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7:16AM on 08/30/2013
All that destruction turned me off the idea of Braniac in the sequel
All that destruction turned me off the idea of Braniac in the sequel
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11:58PM on 08/29/2013
Sounds like that response was pulled out of his ass.... that's a pretty dumb/not accurate statement.
Memorial day?
Sounds like that response was pulled out of his ass.... that's a pretty dumb/not accurate statement.
Memorial day?
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12:03AM on 08/30/2013
Having knowledge of history helps to understand his comments.
Having knowledge of history helps to understand his comments.
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10:26AM on 08/30/2013
Nobody complained about the mass city damage in The Avengers.

You know why? Because the heroes didn't drag the villains from the countryside into the surrounding towns and cities, and instead actively tried to set up perimeters and work with local law enforcement to minimize damage, contain the threat whilst taking the time to individually save groups of civilians.

They were being "heroic". They didn't float about giving Lois Lane the smouldering googly eyes whilst and entire city behind
Nobody complained about the mass city damage in The Avengers.

You know why? Because the heroes didn't drag the villains from the countryside into the surrounding towns and cities, and instead actively tried to set up perimeters and work with local law enforcement to minimize damage, contain the threat whilst taking the time to individually save groups of civilians.

They were being "heroic". They didn't float about giving Lois Lane the smouldering googly eyes whilst and entire city behind lay crumbling with people trapped and dying. I mean even Perry fucking White was pulling people out of debris at one point.

Also you could actually tell what was going on.
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10:40AM on 08/30/2013
Ridiculous. The Avengers were a government sanctioned team, with a former military vet among them, so coordinating with law enforcement is an obvious skill set they possess. Superman is a lone alien who happens to be the most powerful being on the planet, still discovering his abilities (this is an origin story, after all), fighting other extremely powerful beings with technology way beyond our capabilities, essentially gods fighting gods. In all wars, there are casualties, especially
Ridiculous. The Avengers were a government sanctioned team, with a former military vet among them, so coordinating with law enforcement is an obvious skill set they possess. Superman is a lone alien who happens to be the most powerful being on the planet, still discovering his abilities (this is an origin story, after all), fighting other extremely powerful beings with technology way beyond our capabilities, essentially gods fighting gods. In all wars, there are casualties, especially battles to save cities. This was simply a more realistic take on the Superman mythos. If this happened in real life, yes, there would be death and destruction, these beings' abilities are equivalent to our real life technological weaponry. A single punch from Supers can send a man flying through the stratosphere, think fot he real world consequences. And remember, Avengers is a total popcorn movie, so the destruction is slightly sanitized (I still love it though). MOS wanted to be a little more Dark Knight-esque, and show the consequences of these powers. Scary that the world ain't all sunshine and rainbows, eh?
11:31AM on 08/30/2013
The Avengers were also fighting different baddies, some wimpy aliens who would go down by a bullet (Black Widow in the fight) instead of a group of aliens with godlike powers that no human being has a chance to stop.

Big difference and the Avengers aliens caused plenty of damage and death even with their limited abilities.

Comparing these two films is asinine.
The Avengers were also fighting different baddies, some wimpy aliens who would go down by a bullet (Black Widow in the fight) instead of a group of aliens with godlike powers that no human being has a chance to stop.

Big difference and the Avengers aliens caused plenty of damage and death even with their limited abilities.

Comparing these two films is asinine.
4:46PM on 08/30/2013
they also say that the first order of business is containment. The Avengers battle only takes place in Mid Town. Plus, they stop fight to help civilians and work with law enforcement.
they also say that the first order of business is containment. The Avengers battle only takes place in Mid Town. Plus, they stop fight to help civilians and work with law enforcement.
8:17PM on 08/30/2013
The point wasn't the threat level, the point was that the film went out of its way to show the heroic characters being heroic.

Superman didn't have any of this. yes he was punching bad things a lot, but there were no personal moments of heroism, no genuine emotion or care. Just stuff happening. So when it comes to the neck break, it just looks utterly out of context with the rest of the movie when everyone else in Metropolis has been destroyed and Supes has shown literally NO remorse or
The point wasn't the threat level, the point was that the film went out of its way to show the heroic characters being heroic.

Superman didn't have any of this. yes he was punching bad things a lot, but there were no personal moments of heroism, no genuine emotion or care. Just stuff happening. So when it comes to the neck break, it just looks utterly out of context with the rest of the movie when everyone else in Metropolis has been destroyed and Supes has shown literally NO remorse or sadness over the crumbling of the city. He literally just starts making out with Lois with a city in ruins around him, and that's totally the problem with the film and the depiction of that character, that the destruction of metropolis isn't mourned by Supes, it's just swept under the rug. Especially when the next scene is just him walking into the Daily Planet as if everything is totally fucking normal.

I felt the narrows being covered in fear in Batman Begins, I felt Gotham terrorized by a single man in TDK, I felt like an innocent bystander in NYC as The Avengers whizzed by saving lives wherever they could. With MOS I felt numbed, like I was watching a computer game, a very loud, bass heavy computer game, without consequence.

Nothing is earned in this movie, it's all very forced.
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7:15AM on 08/30/2013
I don't agree with Superman killing Zod. I do understand that there might be a circumstance where in might be necessary (and yes, that's a BIG "might be". I don't agree with the amount of destruction caused in this movie, Specifically, the destruction he knowingly causes. He flies Zod through a corn field, through a silo, which explodes, through a 7-11, which also explodes, and sends innocence people running in fear. And, where supposed to trust him? Superman has to throw down now and again,
I don't agree with Superman killing Zod. I do understand that there might be a circumstance where in might be necessary (and yes, that's a BIG "might be". I don't agree with the amount of destruction caused in this movie, Specifically, the destruction he knowingly causes. He flies Zod through a corn field, through a silo, which explodes, through a 7-11, which also explodes, and sends innocence people running in fear. And, where supposed to trust him? Superman has to throw down now and again, but he'll never put innocent people in harms way. Also, I've been a Superman fan for as long as I can remember, and I'm 38 now. I wouldn't take a little kid to see this movie. Superman is suppose to be a hero for all ages. And, yes, Zack Snyder was the wrong chose to direct this film. He isn't very good.
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8:51AM on 08/30/2013
He , it was a pure emotional reaction to his mom being hurt. This is an unexperienced Superman , maybe in the sequels we'll get a more mature Superman where his emotions don't ge in the way.
He , it was a pure emotional reaction to his mom being hurt. This is an unexperienced Superman , maybe in the sequels we'll get a more mature Superman where his emotions don't ge in the way.
12:32PM on 08/30/2013
I'm sorry. I don't buy it. From day 1 the Kent's always powers wisely. This is just Snyder grand standing.
I'm sorry. I don't buy it. From day 1 the Kent's always powers wisely. This is just Snyder grand standing.
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11:25PM on 08/29/2013

$2 Billion?????

Are you kidding me? They knocked down a half dozen buildings, cars flew blocks (most likely into other buildings), and the structural damage from the fight (let alone the damage caused by the gravity machine). More like $2 Trillion.....
Are you kidding me? They knocked down a half dozen buildings, cars flew blocks (most likely into other buildings), and the structural damage from the fight (let alone the damage caused by the gravity machine). More like $2 Trillion.....
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12:41PM on 08/30/2013

Zack Snyder is an idiot

Superman is about saving humanity, not killing 130,000 people.
Superman is about saving humanity, not killing 130,000 people.
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1:37PM on 08/30/2013
Zod was about killing humanity. Superman was focused on trying to contain him and not have him getaway. How do you think he should have handled Zod? I don't think Zod was thinking "I think we should fight where there are less populated people." He could care less and never cared for humans. It was an invade earth, kill off humans, and colonize Kryptonians on a planet. Zod was a bigger threat to deal with.
Zod was about killing humanity. Superman was focused on trying to contain him and not have him getaway. How do you think he should have handled Zod? I don't think Zod was thinking "I think we should fight where there are less populated people." He could care less and never cared for humans. It was an invade earth, kill off humans, and colonize Kryptonians on a planet. Zod was a bigger threat to deal with.
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3:39AM on 08/30/2013
Sorry, I love action scenes as well as everyone else and yes, Superman need to punch something or someone. But the final battle was the purest form of disaster porn. Overly long, silly and emotionally empty (like most of the movie). Basically a Roland Emmerich movie in 1 hour.
Sorry, I love action scenes as well as everyone else and yes, Superman need to punch something or someone. But the final battle was the purest form of disaster porn. Overly long, silly and emotionally empty (like most of the movie). Basically a Roland Emmerich movie in 1 hour.
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3:35AM on 08/30/2013
And who was the awesome guy in red and blue, you know the one, who destroyed half of our city?
And who was the awesome guy in red and blue, you know the one, who destroyed half of our city?
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8:37AM on 08/30/2013
Was that the same one that saved the World. Oh it was. Then shut the Hell up!
Was that the same one that saved the World. Oh it was. Then shut the Hell up!
3:34AM on 08/30/2013

This answer is B.S.

This answer was created to try to sell to the Japanese audience in a Japanese newspaper. In America superman was portrayed as more of a Christ like figure and I don't think that sells well in Japan so you come up with some bullshit to try to connect that audience.
This answer was created to try to sell to the Japanese audience in a Japanese newspaper. In America superman was portrayed as more of a Christ like figure and I don't think that sells well in Japan so you come up with some bullshit to try to connect that audience.
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8:33AM on 08/30/2013

It had nothing to do with myths.

Snyder was trying to evoke the worst terrorist attack in our country's history.
Snyder was trying to evoke the worst terrorist attack in our country's history.
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9:19AM on 08/30/2013
If you sincerely believe that then you are an absolute idiot, let it go.
If you sincerely believe that then you are an absolute idiot, let it go.
10:13AM on 08/30/2013
That is absolutely what Snyder was attempting. In the way The Dark Knight Rises was evoking the financial crisis on Wall Street, Snyder was attempting to make a statement and it came across hackneyed.
That is absolutely what Snyder was attempting. In the way The Dark Knight Rises was evoking the financial crisis on Wall Street, Snyder was attempting to make a statement and it came across hackneyed.
3:36AM on 08/30/2013

This answer is B.S.

This answer was created to try to sell to the Japanese audience in a Japanese newspaper. In America superman was portrayed as more of a Christ like figure and I don't think that sells well in Japan so you come up with some bullshit to try to connect to that audience.
This answer was created to try to sell to the Japanese audience in a Japanese newspaper. In America superman was portrayed as more of a Christ like figure and I don't think that sells well in Japan so you come up with some bullshit to try to connect to that audience.
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2:50AM on 08/30/2013
what the hell does he mean america doesn't have a legacy of mythology? one the native Americans have been living there for tens of thousands of years and two what he calls american's are imports from Europe who unless i'm mistaken have thousands of years of mythology?
what the hell does he mean america doesn't have a legacy of mythology? one the native Americans have been living there for tens of thousands of years and two what he calls american's are imports from Europe who unless i'm mistaken have thousands of years of mythology?
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9:32PM on 08/29/2013
Oh, so I guess ancient mythology also had cities destroyed one day and then the next day people acted like it never happened. rme
Oh, so I guess ancient mythology also had cities destroyed one day and then the next day people acted like it never happened. rme
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9:32AM on 08/30/2013
Wasn't the next day.
Wasn't the next day.
4:33AM on 08/30/2013
"...$2 billion in damage."

That's pretty costly for CG buildings. Now, what about a figure for actual buildings in the real world?
"...$2 billion in damage."

That's pretty costly for CG buildings. Now, what about a figure for actual buildings in the real world?
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10:02PM on 08/29/2013

WOW

what a BS excuse for destruction porn. America doesn't have a legacy of ancient mythology so we have to kill 120,000 people. What a load.
what a BS excuse for destruction porn. America doesn't have a legacy of ancient mythology so we have to kill 120,000 people. What a load.
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