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Mischief_3lf
on Jul 19 2008, 9:37:38 AM writes:
Well I always get egged everytime I say this but Batman Returns is still the best Batman movie made IMO (though I haven't seen TDK yet which does sound fantastic provided its not over-hyped and its actually THAT good.) Mostly cause of the villains and the dark humor. Visually it was also more impressive and stylized than BB which I like.
But yes, watching these make me wanna pull out the old ones again. I really enojoy the first two a lot. BB was good and BF was just meh... B&R was a total suckfest though. Had the worst trailer too. |
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 drc5145
on Jul 12 2008, 2:19:34 AM writes:
DELLAMORTE
Agreed. As great as Bale is, I still love Keaton as Batman and Bruce, and thus have him tops of all the portrayers of the cape and cowl, for all the reasons stated already.
As I said in an earlier post in this thread, Kilmer and Carrey pretty much made Forever for me. Kilmer was a pretty good Bats/Bruce and had he been given a better platform, could've made an amazing one later on.
Clooney was a simple waste of a talent. He had great potential that was lost in a crudfest that was B & R.
But talking about modern Batmans..It seems we've forgotten about the old legend who was also great in his take as Bats/Bruce...
...that being ADAM WEST =D |
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drc5145
on Jul 12 2008, 1:24:09 AM writes:
Damn double post |
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 beatrixkiddo
on Jul 11 2008, 2:24:18 PM writes:
THANK YOU DELLAMORTE
for saying what I didn't have the balls to.
and besides the fact that I don't have balls. |
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 dellamorte dellamore
on Jul 11 2008, 12:10:05 PM writes:
I have no problem with any of the Batman films save for B and R , and even that one has a special place in my heart because it failed as a Bat film on every level but it's highly enjoyable as campy , moldy , cheese . One of the best bad films ever made and it features the most gratuitous usage of neon in any film ever made .
The first three are great , and they still hold up today . Keaton was and still is a terrific Wayne / Batman . The performance was mainly internal , but he did an unbelievable job of creating two very distinct personalities concerning his alter ego , something i don't think Bale accomplishes ( he's just Bruce Wayne with a costume , not the embodiment of Batman when he has the suit on much like Keaton was ) .
Don't get me wrong , he's great , but Keaton is still the best . He exudes a touch of psychosis when he is in Batman mode . Bale's take is the masterpiece theater method acting version , Keaton's is the working man's version , a truly dark and disturbed avenging angel with demons . Bale seems slightly annoyed that his parent's were murdered , you never get the sense of rage that boils beneath the surface of Keaton's Bat .
I love Kilmer take on the characters also , he balanced his pathos with his sense of duty effectively , and he underplayed the fantastical aspects when he was Batman ( even when he was surrounded by neon :) ) . He was smart enough not to come back for the fourth , but he could have easily made another great one if Schu didn't lose his mind .
So , the first 3 are great , the 4th blows chunks but is still oddly entertaining , BB is great , and no doubt Tdk will be terrific , but i do see a dismissal of the first 4 now that the series has been revived , and that's a shame , because it just means you'll miss out on some Batman greatness .
ps - Nolan has taken some cues from Burton's versions , even if people don't want to give the older films any credit . Remember the journey to the batcave in BB , when he jumped through the waterfall with the tumbler . Uh , that is a variation on the rescue of Vicki Vale and the subsequent journey to the batcave in Bat 89 ( the song Descent into Mystery played as they approached the cave ) . That scene is magical , it was the first time we saw the batcave in Burton's version , and the one in BB doesn't hold a candle to it . |
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 Jaybro7
on Jul 11 2008, 5:12:47 AM writes:
I never understood all the hate for Forever. It really is not that bad a movie Everyone did great in my opinion. And Val Kilmer was a great Bruce Wayne and wasn't nearly as bad of a Batman as People say he was. I mean Dude, even Bale cracked stupid Jokes in Begins. "Does it come in Black". I mean come on. Batman was great for its time, Batman and Robin is fucking horrendous and Returns is just 'eh' to me. |
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Ayestrain
on Jul 11 2008, 4:08:13 AM writes:
RE: BATMAN FOREVER TRAILER & MOVIE..
..it's really obviously the beginning of the end for the franchise. For instance--Batman cracking stupid jokes ("I'll get drive-thru"). Kilmer is much better as Bruce Wayne than he is Bats. Let me say with no homophobia intended that the fetishistic crotch shots at the beginning of the trailer are just more than a little gay...and laughably gratuitous.
Jones' Two Face is also unforgivable, both he and the character deserved far better. And Jim Carrey's stupid mind-reading blender device; since when was Edward Nigma a mad inventor?
After repeated viewings, I find this movie can be enjoyed on certain levels, but wouldn't this have been a better flick if they had just subtracted Riddler, Robin, Nicole Kidman, the neon, and Schumacher and just had Batman facing off against Two Face? Maybe that's what the next Bat-flick will be like---one can hope. |
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drc5145
on Jul 11 2008, 2:35:55 AM writes:
Batman '89 trailer was bad but when it came out it was enough to start the hype train started to an extreme high never seen before. Same deal with Batman Returns
Batman Forever was okay, Kilmer and Carrey were the 2 saving graces of the movie.
My Brother and I got a laugh from the Batman and Robin trailer.
Begins was great but The Dark Knight Trailers take the crown.
And Elfman's Scores for Batman '89 and Returns own all. |
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 theletterseven
on Jul 11 2008, 2:36:16 AM writes:
I agree with beatrixkiddo, Batman & Robin was the only truly bad film in the original four. Still, I won't lament its existence. It's an important piece of the puzzle that led us to the Nolan Batman universe. |
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Hawk49er
on Jul 11 2008, 2:25:15 AM writes:
HORRIBLE
Oh My God... I can not believe how horrible all of those previews were outside of Batman Begins. The way the music is just CUT OFF immediately... wow... brutal... the cuts are horrible as well. Thank God trailers have gotten better since the 90's. They're so all over the place lol |
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